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Message no. 1
From: "Frank Pelletier (Trinity)" <fpelletier@******.USHERB.CA>
Subject: Renraku Shutdown
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1998 17:32:36 -0500
Well, I got it.

I'm just skimming through it. A warning to everybody first: The book is
small. 88 pages in all, much smaller than a normal "sourcebook". But then
again, it's not. It's a highly concentrated dose of Renraku Arcology info,
and everything surrounding the shutdown. And if we're talking 'bout that
only, the book does its job very well. It's very dense, you get info and
shadowtalk right from the start. Not much space wasted in this one.

All in all, at first glance, a very, very good background/campaign book.
Two tongues up from me. :)

Trinity
-----------------------------------------
Frank Pelletier
Fpelletier@******.usherb.ca
Proud owner of #879

"An eye for an eye leaves the whole world blind" - M. Gandhi
Message no. 2
From: Robert Wolfgang Rumpf <rumpf.1@***.EDU>
Subject: Re: Renraku Shutdown
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1998 18:04:28 -0500
>Well, I got it.
>
>I'm just skimming through it. A warning to everybody first: The book is
>small. 88 pages in all, much smaller than a normal "sourcebook". But then
>again, it's not. It's a highly concentrated dose of Renraku Arcology info,
>and everything surrounding the shutdown. And if we're talking 'bout that
>only, the book does its job very well. It's very dense, you get info and
>shadowtalk right from the start. Not much space wasted in this one.
>
>All in all, at first glance, a very, very good background/campaign book.
>Two tongues up from me. :)
>

How are the maps of the arco? There *are* maps, aren't there? :)

Dr. Robert Wolfgang Rumpf * rumpf.1@***.edu or genomancer@******.org

http://www.marcon.org/users/bob

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Message no. 3
From: "Frank Pelletier (Trinity)" <fpelletier@******.USHERB.CA>
Subject: Re: Renraku Shutdown
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1998 18:36:38 -0500
Robert Wolfgang Rumpf <rumpf.1@***.EDU> once wrote,

>How are the maps of the arco? There *are* maps, aren't there? :)


Huh... sorry to burst anyone's bubble. But no, there are no floor maps of
the Arcology, not even the major floors.

There is however, a pretty extensive floor index in the last few pages.
Maybe that's what you're looking for.

BTW, they don't give out any hints on how the situation might resolve
itself. It's pretty open-ended.

Trinity
-----------------------------------------
Frank Pelletier
Fpelletier@******.usherb.ca
Proud owner of #879

"An eye for an eye leaves the whole world blind" - M. Gandhi
Message no. 4
From: David Cordy <DCordy@****.COM>
Subject: Re: Renraku Shutdown
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1998 15:38:47 -0800
> Huh... sorry to burst anyone's bubble. But no, there are no floor maps of
> the Arcology, not even the major floors.
>
Damn, I have to admit that I was really hoping for some sort of map. The
Seattle sourcebook and Shutdown give a description of the various floors.
But has anyone seen, or created floorplans for any of the areas of the
Arcology? I would be interested to see what people have come up with. But
remember, no sending attachments to the list. }:^P

David
Message no. 5
From: Rook <rook@*******.COM>
Subject: Re: Renraku Shutdown
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1998 17:13:02 -0800
> > Huh... sorry to burst anyone's bubble. But no, there are no floor maps of
> > the Arcology, not even the major floors.
> >
> Damn, I have to admit that I was really hoping for some sort of map. The

I have to say I prefer it without maps. With maps encourages GM's and
players to treat it like a D&D dungeon crawl. Take away the maps and it
all becomes abstract requiring descriptions based on siruation and
drama.

"I got to the cibicle 55 feet down and search for secret doors"
"Right, you find 3 orcs wielding swords and an elf maiden tied to her
terminal."
"I pull out my +1 swo... I mean my Katana and hack them to itty bitty
bits"
"Right, you find 3gp... er a credstick in each of their pockets."
"We string the elf chick over our shoulders on go on to the next room."


"We run into the main office of this floor and grab three wage-slaves
to use as body shields."
"Right, the guards pursue. two of them pause but a third tries to
shoot through the Elven secretary you've got."
"sh__; that's not supposed to happen; I try to throw her off and dodge
behind something befoe either of us gets hit."
"Ok, the guard fires, there's a look of shock on the woman's face, the
bullet
clips her earings as you dive behind a fax machine."


Ok, a bit overdone. But I find the lack of maps forces people to use
visualization rather than 'monopoly'-ization and therefore helps bring
out the roleplaying in the shyer players.

I use the term 'monopoly' here to refer to the boardgame; not the
economic term.

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Message no. 6
From: Tim Burke <ranger@********.COM.AU>
Subject: Re: Renraku Shutdown
Date: Sat, 7 Nov 1998 00:15:01 +1000
At 05:13 PM 11/5/98 -0800, you wrote:
>> > Huh... sorry to burst anyone's bubble. But no, there are no floor
maps of
>> > the Arcology, not even the major floors.
>> >
>> Damn, I have to admit that I was really hoping for some sort of map. The
>
> I have to say I prefer it without maps. With maps encourages GM's and
>players to treat it like a D&D dungeon crawl. Take away the maps and it
>all becomes abstract requiring descriptions based on siruation and
>drama.

I personally would like a sample floor or two on a map
of the Arcology, if not for anything else than to be able
to accurately judge the scope of it's size.

I'm looking forward to "Shutdown" and only hope that we
get it here in Australia before the turn of the century.

Question for those that have it.
What is the artwork like?
I really hope that there are some decent pictures of
the Arcology somewhere.


Tim Burke
Brisbane, Australia
ranger@********.com.au
#shadowrun: Manx
#950 of 1000

"My karma ran over your dogma."
Message no. 7
From: David Cordy <DCordy@****.COM>
Subject: Re: Renraku Shutdown
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1998 08:26:47 -0800
> >> > Huh... sorry to burst anyone's bubble. But no, there are no floor
> maps of
> >> > the Arcology, not even the major floors.
> >> >
> >> Damn, I have to admit that I was really hoping for some sort of map.
> The
> >
> > I have to say I prefer it without maps. With maps encourages GM's
> and
> >players to treat it like a D&D dungeon crawl. Take away the maps and it
> >all becomes abstract requiring descriptions based on siruation and
> >drama.
>
> I personally would like a sample floor or two on a map
> of the Arcology, if not for anything else than to be able
> to accurately judge the scope of it's size.
>
That is actually more what I was after as well. I know that it covers a
number of city blocks, and is large enough to house a mall of immense size,
offices, a garage that is multiple floors deep, a monorail station, offices,
apartments, and IIRC a reactor of some kind. That is a lot of stuff. And a
map, even if it showed only a few floors, would help make the place more
'real'. And I don't need a map drawn on graph paper with every square
equaling 10 feet. I would be happy with a map of some of the floors like
the map I can get from my local mall. No real scale, nothing that says
where the beds and che... err... dressers are located, just a general
layout.
But, I have not seen it yet (hopefully I will be able to pick it up
tonight), and maybe the various levels are described in enough detail that I
can figure out the general layout.

David
Message no. 8
From: Robert Wolfgang Rumpf <rumpf.1@***.EDU>
Subject: Re: Renraku Shutdown
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1998 11:55:21 -0500
>> I personally would like a sample floor or two on a map
>> of the Arcology, if not for anything else than to be able
>> to accurately judge the scope of it's size.
>>
>That is actually more what I was after as well. I know that it covers a
>number of city blocks, and is large enough to house a mall of immense size,
>offices, a garage that is multiple floors deep, a monorail station, offices,
>apartments, and IIRC a reactor of some kind. That is a lot of stuff. And a
>map, even if it showed only a few floors, would help make the place more
>'real'. And I don't need a map drawn on graph paper with every square
>equaling 10 feet. I would be happy with a map of some of the floors like
>the map I can get from my local mall. No real scale, nothing that says
>where the beds and che... err... dressers are located, just a general
>layout.
>But, I have not seen it yet (hopefully I will be able to pick it up
>tonight), and maybe the various levels are described in enough detail that I
>can figure out the general layout.
>
>David

I actually thought about using one of those rendering-walk-through programs
(ala Virtus VR) to construct a 3D players'-eye-view of the arco as we went
through it - it would take forever to do, but on a big screen, WOW....

Dr. Robert Wolfgang Rumpf * rumpf.1@***.edu or genomancer@******.org

http://www.marcon.org/users/bob

It is by caffeine alone that I set my mind in motion
By the beans of java, my thoughts acquire speed
The hands acquire the shakes, the shakes become a warning
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Message no. 9
From: barbie@********.DE
Subject: Re: Renraku Shutdown
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1998 19:54:34 +0100
>
>
> Huh... sorry to burst anyone's bubble. But no, there are no floor maps of
> the Arcology, not even the major floors.
>
> There is however, a pretty extensive floor index in the last few pages.
> Maybe that's what you're looking for.

A little hint, if you need floor planes for a Archology, try to get the
cyberspace sourcebook, Chicago Archology, its a book just over
one archology, over 160 pages, and IMHO its a very good book.

-Barbie
Message no. 10
From: K in the Shadows <Ereskanti@***.COM>
Subject: Re: Renraku Shutdown
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1998 12:57:46 EST
In a message dated 11/6/1998 12:56:33 PM US Eastern Standard Time,
barbie@********.DE writes:

>
> A little hint, if you need floor planes for a Archology, try to get the
> cyberspace sourcebook, Chicago Archology, its a book just over
> one archology, over 160 pages, and IMHO its a very good book.
>
Cyberspace?!? Okay, my lack of gaming social skills are going to show here.
I assume this is another RPG??? I'll look for it though.

-K
Message no. 11
From: Mike Buckalew <mike_buckalew@*********.COM>
Subject: Re: Renraku Shutdown
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1998 11:04:49 -0800
> > A little hint, if you need floor planes for a Archology, try to get the
> > cyberspace sourcebook, Chicago Archology, its a book just over
> > one archology, over 160 pages, and IMHO its a very good book.
> >
> Cyberspace?!? Okay, my lack of gaming social skills are going to
> show here.
> I assume this is another RPG??? I'll look for it though.

Cyberspace was I.C.E.'s cyberpunk game, using the Rolemaster system. It's
long out of print and there hasn't been any official conversion of the
material to the new (and vastly improved) Rolemaster Standard System.

I'm dissapointed to learn that it doesn't contain maps. At GenCon, Mike
described this module specifically as something like "the world's biggest
dungeon crawl." There's nothing wrong with the occasional dungeon crawl and
this would seem like the perfect opportunity in SR to do so.

Buck (Mike Buckalew)
buck@*********.com
Test Manager
FileMaker, Inc.
Message no. 12
From: Martin Steffens <chimerae@***.IE>
Subject: Re: Renraku Shutdown
Date: Sat, 7 Nov 1998 09:50:24 +0000
What kind of book is it BTW? Is it one of those new style adventure
book or "just" a source book?



Martin Steffens
chimerae@***.ie
Message no. 13
From: Gurth <gurth@******.NL>
Subject: Re: Renraku Shutdown
Date: Sat, 7 Nov 1998 11:50:45 +0100
According to Martin Steffens, at 9:50 on 7 Nov 98, the word on the street
was...

> What kind of book is it BTW? Is it one of those new style adventure
> book or "just" a source book?

A new style adventure book, from what I've heard. I haven't seen it myself
yet, but that probably won't take too long. Then I'll see if I can
actually use it (unlike the previous "tracked adventure" books).

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Message no. 14
From: anakin <anakin@**.NET.AU>
Subject: Re: Renraku Shutdown
Date: Sat, 7 Nov 1998 20:47:09 +1000
Greetings,

Ahh, good news for you Tim Shutdown is out and available in Daily
PLanet for $30.

Anakin

Tim Burke wrote:

> At 05:13 PM 11/5/98 -0800, you wrote:
> >> > Huh... sorry to burst anyone's bubble. But no, there are no floor
> maps of
> >> > the Arcology, not even the major floors.
> >> >
> >> Damn, I have to admit that I was really hoping for some sort of map. The
> >
> > I have to say I prefer it without maps. With maps encourages GM's and
> >players to treat it like a D&D dungeon crawl. Take away the maps and it
> >all becomes abstract requiring descriptions based on siruation and
> >drama.
>
> I personally would like a sample floor or two on a map
> of the Arcology, if not for anything else than to be able
> to accurately judge the scope of it's size.
>
> I'm looking forward to "Shutdown" and only hope that we
> get it here in Australia before the turn of the century.
>
> Question for those that have it.
> What is the artwork like?
> I really hope that there are some decent pictures of
> the Arcology somewhere.
>
> Tim Burke
> Brisbane, Australia
> ranger@********.com.au
> #shadowrun: Manx
> #950 of 1000
>
> "My karma ran over your dogma."



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Message no. 15
From: Gurth <gurth@******.NL>
Subject: Re: Renraku Shutdown
Date: Sat, 7 Nov 1998 11:50:45 +0100
According to K in the Shadows, at 12:57 on 6 Nov 98, the word on the street was...

> Cyberspace?!? Okay, my lack of gaming social skills are going to show here.
> I assume this is another RPG??? I'll look for it though.

Cyberspace is ICE's Rolemaster ported to the cyberpunk genre. From reading
the main rulebook I think it's an okay game; it doesn't have as many
tables as Rolemaster, though it suffers from being a bit too generic IMO,
especially where it comes to equipment. AFAIK it's out of print, so
getting your hands on the rules or source material may be difficult.

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