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Message no. 1
From: Dylan Northrup <northrup@*****.CAS.USF.EDU>
Subject: Request for assistance
Date: Sat, 31 Dec 1994 11:36:17 -0500
If someone here has a GEnie account and has d/l'd a copy of the playtest
version of VR2, I would like to be able to get a copy of it from you.

Please e-mail it directly to me and thanks in advance.

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Message no. 2
From: Paolo Marcucci <marcucci@***.TS.ASTRO.IT>
Subject: Request for assistance (fwd)
Date: Sun, 1 Jan 1995 14:26:28 MET
Dylan wrote:
>
> If someone here has a GEnie account and has d/l'd a copy of the playtest
> version of VR2, I would like to be able to get a copy of it from you.
>
> Please e-mail it directly to me and thanks in advance.
>

I'll be happy if a copy stops by my mailbox too :)

What other playtesting books are available on genie? Does FASA support
a forum there? How much does it cost the subscription :) ?

Bye, Paolo

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Message no. 3
From: Stainless Steel Rat <ratinox@***.NEU.EDU>
Subject: Request for assistance (fwd)
Date: Sun, 1 Jan 1995 09:21:23 -0500
[RE: playtest stuff on GEnie]

Be careful about passing stuff like that along. Many times there'll be
restrictions on such things, like ``not for distribution outside GEnie'' or
something. If there are no such restrictions then post 'em, but otherwise
you should honor the restrictions.

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Message no. 4
From: Dylan Northrup <northrup@*****.CAS.USF.EDU>
Subject: Re: Request for assistance (fwd)
Date: Sun, 1 Jan 1995 12:57:07 -0500
On Sun, 1 Jan 1995, Stainless Steel Rat wrote:

> [RE: playtest stuff on GEnie]
>
> Be careful about passing stuff like that along. Many times there'll be
> restrictions on such things, like ``not for distribution outside GEnie'' or
> something. If there are no such restrictions then post 'em, but otherwise
> you should honor the restrictions.

I understand such considerations, but this is directly from a letter from
Mike at FASA.

=The VR2 chapters have been uploaded to GEnie and have been for quite some
=time. You may try contacting some that uses GEnie to download this to you.

From this, I assume that they do not mind dissemination of playtest
material as long as they know who are getting copies.

For more information on playtesting for FASA, contact FASAmike@***.com
for details.

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of bigger powers, politics before morality, expediency before justice?"
'Seems to work for everybody...except you. Maybe that's why I like you.'
-- Sinclair and Garibaldi, "Deathwalker"
Message no. 5
From: Stainless Steel Rat <ratinox@***.NEU.EDU>
Subject: Re: Request for assistance (fwd)
Date: Sun, 1 Jan 1995 13:00:11 -0500
>> The VR2 chapters have been uploaded to GEnie and have been for quite some
>> time. You may try contacting some that uses GEnie to download this to you.

Great, then go for it.

No, I don't know anyone on GEnie :(.

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Message no. 6
From: Michail John Blodgett <vivaldi@*******.SOL.NET>
Subject: Re: Request for assistance
Date: Sun, 1 Jan 1995 14:14:08 -0600
If oy get a copy please send me one too.
Message no. 7
From: Sam Thomas <sinbad@********.COM>
Subject: Re: Request for assistance
Date: Tue, 3 Jan 1995 05:27:04 -0600
>If someone here has a GEnie account and has d/l'd a copy of the playtest
>version of VR2, I would like to be able to get a copy of it from you.
>
>Please e-mail it directly to me and thanks in advance.
>
I have a Genie account, but I have looked for any file from
FASA/Shadowrun/Virtual Reality and have found no such file. I have looked
for such 1/2/94. I have missed some of the prevous messages. What is the
source for the info on the VR2? If it was posted to Genie this weekend it
may be this friday before I can access it. But usually FASA posts a message
that they have uploaded such a file in the message area, so far no such message.

Sinbad Sam
Message no. 8
From: Dylan Northrup <northrup@*****.CAS.USF.EDU>
Subject: Re: Request for assistance
Date: Mon, 2 Jan 1995 09:11:31 -0500
On Tue, 3 Jan 1995, Sam Thomas wrote:

> I have a Genie account, but I have looked for any file from
> FASA/Shadowrun/Virtual Reality and have found no such file. I have looked
> for such 1/2/94. I have missed some of the prevous messages. What is the
> source for the info on the VR2? If it was posted to Genie this weekend it
> may be this friday before I can access it. But usually FASA posts a message
> that they have uploaded such a file in the message area, so far no such message.

After writing to FASA requesting to be put on the roll of playtesters for
VR2, I was told that the playtest version of VR2 was on GEnie and has
been for sometime (this straight from the mouth of FASAMike@***.com).
If this information is incorrect, I apologise, but I would think that
someone associated with FASA would know what they were talking about, ne?

I'll forward this message on to Mike and ask him what the hell is going on.

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Random Babylon 5 Quote:
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"Love? What does love have to do with marriage?!?"
-- Londo (to Kiron and Aria), "The War Prayer"
Message no. 9
From: Marcel Emami <rab@****.INFORMATIK.UNI-MANNHEIM.DE>
Subject: Re: Request for assistance (fwd)
Date: Tue, 3 Jan 1995 14:33:51 MEZ
> Rat <ratinox@***.neu.edu> wrote
<<CHOP>>
>
> Great, then go for it.
>
> No, I don't know anyone on GEnie :(.
>
Pardon me, but can someone please explain me what this GEnie is. I 've heard
two weaks ago about www (and it's great VR for RL )and I'm interessed
in what ever this (GEnie) is.
--

Rab rab@***.informatik.uni-mannheim.de
Geekcode
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P.S.
MXAHNY
Message no. 10
From: "Thomas W. Craig" <Craigtw1@***.COM>
Subject: Re: Request for assistance (fwd)
Date: Tue, 3 Jan 1995 11:00:11 -0500
GEnie is a computer access network, like America Online and Prodigy.
Tom Craig
Message no. 11
From: Matt Dunne <stretch@*********.CO.UK>
Subject: Re: Request for assistance
Date: Tue, 3 Jan 1995 18:21:44 GMT
>>If someone here has a GEnie account and has d/l'd a copy of the playtest
>>version of VR2, I would like to be able to get a copy of it from you.
>>
>>Please e-mail it directly to me and thanks in advance.
>>
>I have a Genie account, but I have looked for any file from
>FASA/Shadowrun/Virtual Reality and have found no such file. I have looked
>for such 1/2/94. I have missed some of the prevous messages. What is the
>source for the info on the VR2? If it was posted to Genie this weekend it
>may be this friday before I can access it. But usually FASA posts a message
>that they have uploaded such a file in the message area, so far no such
message.
>
>Sinbad Sam
>
>

Hey simbad if you do manage to get a copy forward one to me please
Cheers,

Matt Dunne.

stretch@*********.co.uk

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Message no. 12
From: "J.D. Falk" <jdfalk@****.CAIS.COM>
Subject: Re: Request for assistance (fwd)
Date: Tue, 3 Jan 1995 16:09:09 -0500
On Tue, 3 Jan 1995, Thomas W. Craig wrote:

> GEnie is a computer access network, like America Online and Prodigy.

I'm not sure if "computer access network" is quite the right
term, here -- the Internet is a computer access network. AOL, Prodigy,
Compuserve, and GEnie are merely very large online services.
IMHO, they're hideously expensive, but some people still seem to
like them -- probably because of the publicity.

-------------========== J.D. Falk <jdfalk@****.com> =========-------------
| "...the angels invented the Internet, so they could better eavesdrop |
| on what human beings are doing." --Andrew Greeley |
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Message no. 13
From: "Thomas W. Craig" <Craigtw1@***.COM>
Subject: Re: Request for assistance (fwd)
Date: Tue, 3 Jan 1995 17:51:48 -0500
Actually, AOL's price is going down...$9.95 for 5 hours + $2.95 for each
additional hour. It was at $3.80/each additional hour. I consider AOL a
computer access network, because it gives access to not only the internet;
but to many other things as well. For example AOL has CNN, ABC, NBC, a
correspondence school, EAASY SABRE(an airline, hotel, car rental reservation
network), and many other things as well.
Tom Craig
Message no. 14
From: "J.D. Falk" <jdfalk@****.CAIS.COM>
Subject: Re: Request for assistance (fwd)
Date: Tue, 3 Jan 1995 20:27:13 -0500
On Tue, 3 Jan 1995, Thomas W. Craig wrote:

> Actually, AOL's price is going down...$9.95 for 5 hours + $2.95 for each
> additional hour. It was at $3.80/each additional hour.

Let's see...for the $20 I pay out monthly, that'd be just over
eight hours, right? Right now, that's the MINIMUM I'd spend online in a
week. Somehow it just doesn't seem worth it, to me.
Still, if you enjoy it and can afford it, by all means do so.

> I consider AOL a
> computer access network, because it gives access to not only the internet;
> but to many other things as well. For example AOL has CNN, ABC, NBC, a
> correspondence school, EAASY SABRE(an airline, hotel, car rental reservation
> network), and many other things as well.

All of those other "networks" are only on AOL, and are therefore a
_part_ of AOL. 'Net access providers exist to provide access to other
systems, while AOL and other services have only begun to provide access
to the 'net and all the connected systems because otherwise they'd be
well on their way to being bankrupt.

-------------========== J.D. Falk <jdfalk@****.com> =========-------------
| "Love thy neighbor as thyself, but choose your neighborhood." |
| -Louise Beal |
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Message no. 15
From: Malcalypse The Younger <shadow@******.NET>
Subject: Re: Request for assistance (fwd)
Date: Tue, 3 Jan 1995 21:07:37 -0500
On Sun, 1 Jan 1995, Paolo Marcucci wrote:

> Dylan wrote:
> >
> > If someone here has a GEnie account and has d/l'd a copy of the playtest
> > version of VR2, I would like to be able to get a copy of it from you.
> >
> > Please e-mail it directly to me and thanks in advance.
> >
>
> I'll be happy if a copy stops by my mailbox too :)
>
> What other playtesting books are available on genie? Does FASA support
> a forum there? How much does it cost the subscription :) ?
>
> Bye, Paolo
>

And if you get it, plz put it up on your Web site for the rest of us..
Or someone put it on an FTP site for all the world to share...

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If we shadows have offened,
Think but this, and all is mended,
That you have but slumbered here
While these visions did appear.
-Shadow
Message no. 16
From: Marc A Renouf <jormung@*****.UMICH.EDU>
Subject: Re: Request for assistance (fwd)
Date: Tue, 3 Jan 1995 23:03:05 -0500
> > Dylan wrote:
> > >
> > > If someone here has a GEnie account and has d/l'd a copy of the playtest
> > > version of VR2, I would like to be able to get a copy of it from you.
> > >
> > > Please e-mail it directly to me and thanks in advance.

Whoa! Stop the presses! A playtest version of VR2?! Where do I
sign?!

Marc (Gosh, go away for a little vacation and miss all the cool stuff...)
Message no. 17
From: Matt Dunne <stretch@*********.CO.UK>
Subject: Re: Request for assistance
Date: Wed, 4 Jan 1995 05:48:41 GMT
>On Tue, 3 Jan 1995, Sam Thomas wrote:
>
>> I have a Genie account, but I have looked for any file from
>> FASA/Shadowrun/Virtual Reality and have found no such file. I have looked
>> for such 1/2/94. I have missed some of the prevous messages. What is the
>> source for the info on the VR2? If it was posted to Genie this weekend it
>> may be this friday before I can access it. But usually FASA posts a message
>> that they have uploaded such a file in the message area, so far no such
message.
>
>After writing to FASA requesting to be put on the roll of playtesters for
>VR2, I was told that the playtest version of VR2 was on GEnie and has
>been for sometime (this straight from the mouth of FASAMike@***.com).
>If this information is incorrect, I apologise, but I would think that
>someone associated with FASA would know what they were talking about, ne?
>
>I'll forward this message on to Mike and ask him what the hell is going on.
>
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>* Dylan Northrup <northrup@*****.cas.usf.edu> * PGP and Geek Code available *
>* Will code HTML for food * Deny Everything * via WWW and upon request *
>* We will nobly win or meanly lose * <http://www.cas.usf.edu/dylan.html>; *
>-----------------------------------------------------------------------------
>Random Babylon 5 Quote:
>-----------------------
>"Love? What does love have to do with marriage?!?"
> -- Londo (to Kiron and Aria), "The War Prayer"
>
>

Iv'e an idea! if someone get a copy of the VR2 rules why don't they just
mail it to the list and then every one gets a copy. Maybe Mike at FASA
could do this for us?
Cheers,

Matt Dunne.

stretch@*********.co.uk

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Message no. 18
From: the holy Entombed <rasputin@***.UMD.EDU>
Subject: Re: Request for assistance (fwd)
Date: Wed, 4 Jan 1995 04:02:49 -0500
On Tue, 3 Jan 1995, J.D. Falk wrote:

> I'm not sure if "computer access network" is quite the right
> term, here -- the Internet is a computer access network. AOL, Prodigy,
> Compuserve, and GEnie are merely very large online services.
> IMHO, they're hideously expensive, but some people still seem to
> like them -- probably because of the publicity.

Don't forget ease... the whole 'point-n-click' thing...

I don't know about hideously expensive, though. Rates have definitely
taken a good sized drop since the days when CompuServe was the only
on-line service... When Atari wasn't completely out of the picture... =^)

-=< the holy Entombed >=- -=< "It must be the pretzels."
>=-
Message no. 19
From: Gurth <gurth@***.NL>
Subject: Re: Request for assistance (fwd)
Date: Wed, 4 Jan 1995 18:55:39 +0100
>Be careful about passing stuff like that along. Many times there'll be
>restrictions on such things, like ``not for distribution outside GEnie'' or
>something. If there are no such restrictions then post 'em, but otherwise
>you should honor the restrictions.

Yeah, and you're not allowed to copy software either...


Gurth@***.nl
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Message no. 20
From: Gurth <gurth@***.NL>
Subject: Re: Request for assistance
Date: Wed, 4 Jan 1995 22:23:08 +0100
>Iv'e an idea! if someone get a copy of the VR2 rules why don't they just
>mail it to the list and then every one gets a copy. Maybe Mike at FASA
>could do this for us?

Maybe not everyone wants a copy? (I'm not speaking for myself here, I'd love
to see VR2) The best thing, I think, would be for someone to post it
somewhere, say, cerebus or Paolo's WWW page...

That brings me to a question: can anyone supply me with a Fool's Guide To
Uploading Things To WWW Pages? I've got some stuff here that I think would
fit in very nicely with the other stuff on Paolo's page, but I haven't quite
got the hang of this Mosaic thing :( I managed to download something (but
how do I get those TrueType Fonts?), but I couldn't find a way to upload...
Any help on this matter would be appreciated.


Gurth@***.nl
Remember all your yesterdays / GC2.1: GS/AT/! -d+ H s:- !g P?(3) !au !a>?
In the deep blue / w+(+++)y v*(---) C+(++) U P? !L !3 E? N++ K-
Before the world came / W+ -po+(po) Y+ t(+) 5 !j R+(++)>+++$ tv+(++) b+@
And rested down on you / D+(++) B? e+ u+@ h! f--(?) !r(--)(*) n---->!n y?
Message no. 21
From: "J.D. Falk" <jdfalk@****.CAIS.COM>
Subject: Re: Request for assistance (fwd)
Date: Wed, 4 Jan 1995 19:06:37 -0500
On Wed, 4 Jan 1995, Gurth wrote:

> >Be careful about passing stuff like that along. Many times there'll be
> >restrictions on such things, like ``not for distribution outside GEnie'' or
> >something. If there are no such restrictions then post 'em, but otherwise
> >you should honor the restrictions.
>
> Yeah, and you're not allowed to copy software either...

We want FASA to continue allowing us to use the word "Shadowrun"
on this mailing list...remember what T$R did....

-------------========== J.D. Falk <jdfalk@****.com> =========-------------
| "Advice is what people ask for when we already know the answer |
| but wish we didn't." -Erica Jong |
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