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Message no. 1
From: Ivan Cappiello <conan@**.COM.AU>
Subject: Resistance tests
Date: Thu, 24 Sep 1998 14:31:53 -0000
How does one make a resistance test against say a mask and then a physical
mask?
One is Type M and the other is Type P. I would think for the M you would use
willpower but for the physical???
Message no. 2
From: Chameleon <cham@***.BIGPOND.NET.AU>
Subject: Re: Resistance tests
Date: Thu, 24 Sep 1998 06:00:35 GMT
And so, on Thu, 24 Sep 1998 14:31:53 -0000 did Ivan Cappiello
<conan@**.COM.AU> quoth merrily:

>How does one make a resistance test against say a mask and then a =
physical
>mask?
>One is Type M and the other is Type P. I would think for the M you would=
use
>willpower but for the physical???

Body

Chameleon,

--
Don't be silly. If this was REALLY the ships self destuct button,
do you think they would leave it lying around where anyone could press =
it?
- Famous Last Words
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I'm always here, you just don't see me:)
Message no. 3
From: Ivan Cappiello <conan@**.COM.AU>
Subject: Re: Resistance tests
Date: Thu, 24 Sep 1998 16:17:56 -0000
So you are saying that to see through a Physical Mask I would use my Body
attribute? I didn`t think body was used for perception tests?!?!??!

-----Original Message-----
From: Shadowrun Discussion [mailto:SHADOWRN@********.ITRIBE.NET] On Behalf
Of Chameleon
Sent: Thursday, 24 September 1998 6:01
To: SHADOWRN@********.ITRIBE.NET
Subject: Re: Resistance tests

And so, on Thu, 24 Sep 1998 14:31:53 -0000 did Ivan Cappiello
<conan@**.COM.AU> quoth merrily:

>How does one make a resistance test against say a mask and then a physical
>mask?
>One is Type M and the other is Type P. I would think for the M you would
use
>willpower but for the physical???

Body

Chameleon,

--
Don't be silly. If this was REALLY the ships self destuct button,
do you think they would leave it lying around where anyone could press it?
- Famous Last Words
--------------------------------------------------------------------------
I'm always here, you just don't see me:)
Message no. 4
From: K in the Shadows <Ereskanti@***.COM>
Subject: Re: Resistance tests
Date: Thu, 24 Sep 1998 02:21:46 EDT
In a message dated 9/24/1998 1:08:06 AM US Eastern Standard Time,
cham@***.BIGPOND.NET.AU writes:

> Ivan Cappiello
> <conan@**.COM.AU> quoth merrily:
>
> >How does one make a resistance test against say a mask and then a physical
> >mask?
> >One is Type M and the other is Type P. I would think for the M you would
> use
> >willpower but for the physical???
>
> Body
> Chameleon,

Okay, I'll ask. Resist the spell in what way? Do you mean penetrate or see
through it? That is an Intelligence test the last I recall? (yes/no?). Or do
you means as a spell resistance (drain) test? That is always Willpower.

-K
Message no. 5
From: "Ratinac, Rand (NSW)" <RRatinac@*****.REDCROSS.ORG.AU>
Subject: Re: Resistance tests
Date: Thu, 24 Sep 1998 16:31:37 +1000
<Ivan said...>
> So you are saying that to see through a Physical Mask I would use my
> Body
> attribute? I didn`t think body was used for perception tests?!?!??!
>
Ahha! Check the mail I just sent, Ivan. What you're talking about isn't
actually a resistance test - it's a perception test. A resistance test
only comes into play if you're resisting a spell actually being cast ON
YOU.

Doc'

.sig Sauer
Message no. 6
From: "D. Ghost" <dghost@****.COM>
Subject: Re: Resistance tests
Date: Thu, 24 Sep 1998 01:29:01 -0500
On Thu, 24 Sep 1998 14:31:53 -0000 Ivan Cappiello <conan@**.COM.AU>
writes:
>How does one make a resistance test against say a mask and then a
physical
>mask?
>One is Type M and the other is Type P. I would think for the M you would
use
>willpower but for the physical???

Simple. You don't. (I KNOW what the spell description says ... I'll
explain below.) Mask spells are illusions. They don't make your brain
*think* you see something your eyes don't. They make your eyes see
something and it's up to you to figure out something's screwy.

How do you do that?
You roll Intelligence versus a T# equal to the Force of the Spell. (The
Indirect Illusions section in SR3 starts by saying that all illusions are
resisted with Intelligence. IMO, this representsspotting flaws in the
illusion not shrugging off its effects.) I can't find any references
regarding how extra successes affect the casting of Mask spell. Perhaps
they offeset any viewer's successes?

--
D. Ghost
(aka Pixel, Tantrum, RuPixel)
o/` I traded my Flesh for a Fantasy and now my truck broke down, my wife
left me, and my dog died o/` -- Billy Idol, Jr. Rock Country Singer

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Message no. 7
From: Ivan Cappiello <conan@**.COM.AU>
Subject: Re: Resistance tests
Date: Thu, 24 Sep 1998 16:48:11 -0000
Ahhh I see , thanx a lot. I must admit being new to Shadowrun things aren`t
always obvious.

-----Original Message-----
From: Shadowrun Discussion [mailto:SHADOWRN@********.ITRIBE.NET] On Behalf
Of Ratinac, Rand (NSW)
Sent: Thursday, 24 September 1998 6:32
To: SHADOWRN@********.ITRIBE.NET
Subject: Re: Resistance tests

<Ivan said...>
> So you are saying that to see through a Physical Mask I would use my
> Body
> attribute? I didn`t think body was used for perception tests?!?!??!
>
Ahha! Check the mail I just sent, Ivan. What you're talking about isn't
actually a resistance test - it's a perception test. A resistance test
only comes into play if you're resisting a spell actually being cast ON
YOU.

Doc'

.sig Sauer
Message no. 8
From: Ivan Cappiello <conan@**.COM.AU>
Subject: Re: Resistance tests
Date: Thu, 24 Sep 1998 16:53:19 -0000
I see:):) Thanx for clearing that up. Much appreciated

-----Original Message-----
From: Shadowrun Discussion [mailto:SHADOWRN@********.ITRIBE.NET] On Behalf
Of D. Ghost
Sent: Thursday, 24 September 1998 6:29
To: SHADOWRN@********.ITRIBE.NET
Subject: Re: Resistance tests

On Thu, 24 Sep 1998 14:31:53 -0000 Ivan Cappiello <conan@**.COM.AU>
writes:
>How does one make a resistance test against say a mask and then a
physical
>mask?
>One is Type M and the other is Type P. I would think for the M you would
use
>willpower but for the physical???

Simple. You don't. (I KNOW what the spell description says ... I'll
explain below.) Mask spells are illusions. They don't make your brain
*think* you see something your eyes don't. They make your eyes see
something and it's up to you to figure out something's screwy.

How do you do that?
You roll Intelligence versus a T# equal to the Force of the Spell. (The
Indirect Illusions section in SR3 starts by saying that all illusions are
resisted with Intelligence. IMO, this representsspotting flaws in the
illusion not shrugging off its effects.) I can't find any references
regarding how extra successes affect the casting of Mask spell. Perhaps
they offeset any viewer's successes?

--
D. Ghost
(aka Pixel, Tantrum, RuPixel)
o/` I traded my Flesh for a Fantasy and now my truck broke down, my wife
left me, and my dog died o/` -- Billy Idol, Jr. Rock Country Singer

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Message no. 9
From: "Ratinac, Rand (NSW)" <RRatinac@*****.REDCROSS.ORG.AU>
Subject: Re: Resistance tests
Date: Thu, 24 Sep 1998 16:30:05 +1000
> And so, on Thu, 24 Sep 1998 14:31:53 -0000 did Ivan Cappiello
> <conan@**.COM.AU> quoth merrily:
>
> >How does one make a resistance test against say a mask and then a
> physical
> >mask?
> >One is Type M and the other is Type P. I would think for the M you
> would use
> >willpower but for the physical???
>
> Body
>
> Chameleon,
>
That doesn't make sense, unless the mage is casting the spell on you and
you don't want him to. On the other hand, though, either that's what
Ivan was talking about, or he stated it incorrectly. If you're trying to
resist a physical spell being cast ON YOU, then, yes, it's Body - I
assume it's a measure of your physical integrity and how difficult it is
for the mage to make CHANGES to you. The mask spells are indirect
illusions, however, so if Ivan was speaking about trying to 'see
through' them, then that isn't actually a resistance test. You're not
directly resisting anything, you're trying to pierce something that's
already there.

In SRII, a Perception test is required to see through such spells. I
guess that's supposed to be measuring if you're intelligent enough to
pick up on inconsistencies in the illusion - and once you notice enough
discrepancies you can somehow 'see through' it (maybe if you don't
believe the illusion it doesn't have any effect on you). I believe that
that's the same for both spells - the only difference between the two is
that the Physical Mask somehow makes actual changes to the subject,
whereas the mana spell affects how the viewer perceives the subject -
and that's why Physical Mask works against technical sensors with no
minds, but Mask doesn't. I don't know how it's treated in SR3 (haven't
read that far yet).

Technical, I know, but that's the soul of the physical/mana rules for
you.

*Doc' wonders if a physical mask would improve his physique...*

Doc'

.sig Sauer
Message no. 10
From: Starjammer <starjammer@**********.COM>
Subject: Re: Resistance tests
Date: Thu, 24 Sep 1998 07:26:34 -0400
At 06:00 AM 9-24-98 GMT, you wrote:
>And so, on Thu, 24 Sep 1998 14:31:53 -0000 did Ivan Cappiello
><conan@**.COM.AU> quoth merrily:
>
>>How does one make a resistance test against say a mask and then a physical
>>mask?
>>One is Type M and the other is Type P. I would think for the M you would use
>>willpower but for the physical???
>
>Body
>
>Chameleon,

Actually, Direct Physical Illusions are resisted by Intelligence, as are
all Indirect Illusions. This is stipulated in the header for each
subsection. And yes, Direct Mana Illusions are resisted by Willpower. TN
is the force of the spell.

As with all Spell Resistance tests, the resister's successes offset the
caster's successes.


Starjammer | "Would it help if we sacrificed a
goat?"
starjammer@**********.com | -- Street sam "Crusher" Carlson
to mage
Marietta, GA | Straight Blue, on a really bad day

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