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Message no. 1
From: Ubiquitous <weberm@*******.net>
Subject: Re [SR2]: Game Balance
Date: Thu, 1 Aug 1996 13:20:36 -0400 (EDT)
At 10:27 AM 8/1/96 EST, Ferri wrote:

>Improved willpower + 4, don't allow it

On a related note, Ranged Decrease Charisma -3 is a nasty one too.

>Critter form spells!!!! beware of these!!! with a Wolf shaman
>I have I spent time researching a force 11 version,

Err, why did the GM let you do this?


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"I dyde shyte thre grete toordes." Fables of Aesop,
Caxton translation,
V15 1484
Message no. 2
From: "Ferri Pagano" <Ferri_Pagano_at_STRM__Amsterdam1@******.com>
Subject: Re: Re [SR2]: Game Balance
Date: Thu, 01 Aug 96 21:07:46 EST
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At 10:27 AM 8/1/96 EST, Ferri wrote:

>Improved willpower + 4, don't allow it

On a related note, Ranged Decrease Charisma -3 is a nasty one too.

>Critter form spells!!!! beware of these!!! with a Wolf shaman
>I have I spent time researching a force 11 version,

Err, why did the GM let you do this?
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>> What choice did he have? I researched the spell from scrap using
the sr2 rules. had magical theory 6 specially for this purpose, you eventually
roll a success. The whole process didn't depend on an NPC, I just needed a
shamanic circle & some money and time.
But it was done to prove a point, as I said......
Ferri
Message no. 3
From: Ubiquitous <weberm@*******.net>
Subject: Re: Re [SR2]: Game Balance
Date: Thu, 1 Aug 1996 23:42:39 -0400 (EDT)
At 09:07 PM 8/1/96 EST, Ferri wrote:

> What choice did he have? I researched the spell from scrap using
>the sr2 rules. had magical theory 6 specially for this purpose, you eventually
>roll a success. The whole process didn't depend on an NPC, I just needed a
>shamanic circle & some money and time.

Yeah, but you needed a shamanic lodge of at least rating 11, which I find
doubtful (Are there rules on their construction, etc?).

Also, if you're designing a spell, you've have to roll magic theory dice
against a target of 2*F-M, which is, if I assume your magic rating is 6,
comes up to 18. Since it takes 18 or 9 days, depending on if you already had
a lower force spell design, that's going to take quite awhile!

Once you design it, you have to roll a 22 in order to learn it. Yech!

How long did this shaman to do this?

Unless you put it on a spell lock, doesn't critter form seem kinda useless,
since whatever you do in critter form will be at a +2 penalty?

--
"I dyde shyte thre grete toordes." Fables of Aesop,
Caxton translation,
V15 1484
Message no. 4
From: "Mark Steedman" <M.J.Steedman@***.rgu.ac.uk>
Subject: Re: Re [SR2]: Game Balance
Date: Fri, 2 Aug 1996 13:19:27 GMT
Ubiquitous writes

ok time few folks read the Grimoire again, with a VERY fine tooth
comb. (some of this is well hidden to 'i''l just look that up')

> At 09:07 PM 8/1/96 EST, Ferri wrote:
>
> > What choice did he have? I researched the spell from scrap using
> >the sr2 rules. had magical theory 6 specially for this purpose, you eventually
> >roll a success. The whole process didn't depend on an NPC, I just needed a
> >shamanic circle & some money and time.
>
> Yeah, but you needed a shamanic lodge of at least rating 11, which I find
> doubtful (Are there rules on their construction, etc?).
>
5,500 yen, target 11 to get for talismonger 11 days to set up, easy
enough.
However the required theory skill of 11 is another problem. According
to GR2 (and i was reading the rule again the other night) you CANNOT
research spells with a force higher than your skill. I know most GM's
(myself included) don't enforce the rule but if you have magician
problems its a good solution. [only stops a few tricks but it helps]

> Also, if you're designing a spell, you've have to roll magic theory dice
> against a target of 2*F-M, which is, if I assume your magic rating is 6,
> comes up to 18. Since it takes 18 or 9 days, depending on if you already had
> a lower force spell design, that's going to take quite awhile!
>
base research times are drain level determined
L 6 days
M 18
S 30
D 60

> Once you design it, you have to roll a 22 in order to learn it. Yech!
>
> How long did this shaman to do this?
>
he said a while
> Unless you put it on a spell lock, doesn't critter form seem kinda useless,
> since whatever you do in critter form will be at a +2 penalty?
>
the real limiter to 'i'll just sustain ____________'

Mark
Message no. 5
From: Ubiquitous <weberm@*******.net>
Subject: Re: Re [SR2]: Game Balance
Date: Fri, 2 Aug 1996 08:53:51 -0400 (EDT)
At 01:19 PM 8/2/96 GMT, Mark wrote:
>Ubiquitous writes
>> At 09:07 PM 8/1/96 EST, Ferri wrote:

>> > What choice did he have? I researched the spell from scrap using
>> >the sr2 rules. had magical theory 6 specially for this purpose, you
>> >eventually roll a success. The whole process didn't depend on an NPC, I
just
>> >needed a shamanic circle & some money and time.
>>
>> Yeah, but you needed a shamanic lodge of at least rating 11, which I find
>> doubtful (Are there rules on their construction, etc?).
>
>5,500 yen, target 11 to get for talismonger 11 days to set up, easy
>enough.

Where was this? I've been looking for this for years!

>However the required theory skill of 11 is another problem. According
>to GR2 (and i was reading the rule again the other night) you CANNOT
>research spells with a force higher than your skill. I know most GM's
>(myself included) don't enforce the rule but if you have magician
>problems its a good solution. [only stops a few tricks but it helps]

Dooh! I forgot that.

>> Also, if you're designing a spell, you've have to roll magic theory dice
>> against a target of 2*F-M, which is, if I assume your magic rating is 6,
>> comes up to 18. Since it takes 18 or 9 days, depending on if you already had
>> a lower force spell design, that's going to take quite awhile!
>>
>base research times are drain level determined
>L 6 days
>M 18
>S 30
>D 60

Yes, but if you have a lower force version of the spell, the time is halved,
hence it takes 18 or 9 days.

>> Once you design it, you have to roll a 22 in order to learn it. Yech!
>>
>> How long did this shaman to do this?
>
>he said a while

I was looking for something a little more specific. ;-)


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"I dyde shyte thre grete toordes." Fables of Aesop,
Caxton translation,
V15 1484

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