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Message no. 1
From: Bai Shen <baishen@**********.COM>
Subject: Revolvers and Gas Vents
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1998 22:09:03 -0400
> Sort of like the guy in the picture at the beginning of the combat chapter
> in SR2 with the lever action rifle, or anyone who shoots two fisted on the
> move on a regular basis. Plus it has an arrogance that I resect. Anyone
> who only needs six bullets, no gas vents, and can *successfully* run covert
> ops with no silencer is someone you really don't want to mess with.

Where's it say you can't use a Gas Vent on a revolver?
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Message no. 2
From: Michael vanHulst <Schizi@***.COM>
Subject: Re: Revolvers and Gas Vents
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1998 22:47:37 EDT
In a message dated 9/14/98 7:16:08 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
baishen@**********.COM writes:

> Anyone
> > who only needs six bullets, no gas vents, and can *successfully* run
> covert
> > ops with no silencer is someone you really don't want to mess with.
>
> Where's it say you can't use a Gas Vent on a revolver?
it doesn't and neither did he, he was just saying that someone that doesn't
use such, must have another edge (or something to that effect)
Message no. 3
From: "D. Ghost" <dghost@****.COM>
Subject: Re: Revolvers and Gas Vents
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1998 21:58:24 -0500
On Mon, 14 Sep 1998 22:47:37 EDT Michael vanHulst <Schizi@***.COM>
writes:
>In a message dated 9/14/98 7:16:08 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
>baishen@**********.COM writes:
>> > Anyone
>> > who only needs six bullets, no gas vents, and can *successfully* run
covert
>> > ops with no silencer is someone you really don't want to mess with.

>> Where's it say you can't use a Gas Vent on a revolver?

>it doesn't and neither did he, he was just saying that someone that
doesn't
>use such, must have another edge (or something to that effect)

Why would you put Gas vent on a revovler? They have no kick (in-so-far
as game mechanics are concerned ...) that needs to be compensated for ...

D. Ghost
(aka Pixel, Tantrum, RuPixel)
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Message no. 4
From: Mongoose <evamarie@**********.NET>
Subject: Re: Revolvers and Gas Vents
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1998 13:12:42 -0700
:Why would you put Gas vent on a revovler? They have no kick (in-so-far
:as game mechanics are concerned ...) that needs to be compensated for ...


Use one in each hand, and the recoil from one will affect the other.
Vent the first, and its all good again.
Which raises and annoying question: if you have, say, to SMG's with
three points of recoil comp each, can you fire a burst from each with no
recoil? That seems silly...

Mongoose
Message no. 5
From: Gurth <gurth@******.NL>
Subject: Re: Revolvers and Gas Vents
Date: Wed, 16 Sep 1998 12:20:15 +0200
According to Mongoose, at 13:12 on 15 Sep 98, the word on the street was...

> Which raises and annoying question: if you have, say, to SMG's with
> three points of recoil comp each, can you fire a burst from each with no
> recoil? That seems silly...

That is why I've got some house rules that multiply recoil by a factor
that depends on how the weapon is held, and am thinking hard about
applying that multiplier _before_ compensation.

Even that won't _completely_ get rid of the problem, but at least it will
make it a lot less likely to occur.

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Message no. 6
From: David Foster <fixer@*******.TLH.FL.US>
Subject: Re: Revolvers and Gas Vents
Date: Wed, 16 Sep 1998 07:17:35 -0400
On Tue, 15 Sep 1998, Mongoose wrote:

->:Why would you put Gas vent on a revovler? They have no kick (in-so-far
->:as game mechanics are concerned ...) that needs to be compensated for ...
->
->
-> Use one in each hand, and the recoil from one will affect the other.
->Vent the first, and its all good again.
-> Which raises and annoying question: if you have, say, to SMG's with
->three points of recoil comp each, can you fire a burst from each with no
->recoil? That seems silly...

It may seem silly, but that's the way I see it happening too. Of
course, each burst is one action, and if they try to fire a second burst
from each weapon in the next simple action I'll nail them with the entire
penalty explaining that they hadn't had an opportunity to steady their
weapon and their recoil comp has been exhausted.
Oh, for SS weapons, I just found a reference for how many shots
they can fire in one Phase. On pg. 106, under Fire Weapon it says
"Single-shot weapons may be fired only once per Combat Phase." Now all
that leaves is FA weapons' maximum rate of fire.

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the impossible only during the week,
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