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Message no. 1
From: Gurth <gurth@******.NL>
Subject: Re: Rigger 2: Ammo storage & caseless ammo
Date: Sun, 26 Oct 1997 12:00:43 +0100
The Bookworm said on 14:59/25 Oct 97...

> But how about the ammo feed system? Its not like your just going
> to have a pile of linked ammo sitting next to the weapon in the hull. A
> system to hold the ammo and keep it aligned, and feeding without jams will
> take up some weight, CF, and nuyen.

That would depend on the weapon, I'd say... For a machinegun, the "ammo
storage system" could consist of nothing more than a standard 200-round
ammo box placed in a bracket right next to the gun, for example. That
won't take up much weight (apart from that of the ammo and box) or space
(you can stack quite some MG ammo boxes in 50x50x50 cm).

> typing of ammo feeds reminds me. How many runners have a system
> for collecting their brass after firing?

Not that many, I imagine. The easiest way would be to hang a bag next to
the ejection port, but that gets kind of clumsy I think.

> Or are most weapons in 2058 caseless?

To that question, there are two answers. The SRII one is that caseless
weapons are quite common, the FoF one is that they aren't. Either way,
nearly all weapons can be had in a caseless variant which gives more ammo
in a clip and less weight per round, but those are the only real
advantages in game terms.

> A brass recovery system for heavier weapons could be as simple as a bag
> tied to the ejection port of the LMG.

For smaller weapons, though, the bag will inevitably get in the way at
some point, I think.

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Message no. 2
From: Mon goose <landsquid@*******.COM>
Subject: Re: Rigger 2: Ammo storage & caseless ammo
Date: Sun, 26 Oct 1997 23:30:26 PST
>That would depend on the weapon, I'd say... For a machinegun, the "ammo
>storage system" could consist of nothing more than a standard 200-round
>ammo box placed in a bracket right next to the gun, for example. That
>won't take up much weight (apart from that of the ammo and box) or
space
>(you can stack quite some MG ammo boxes in 50x50x50 cm).
>

HMMM... And the ends of all those boxes of belts are linked HOW? And
you avoid kinks and snags jams? In actuallity, most runners never need
more than the 50 round clip, and any belt system needs a dedicated ammo
storge area- not that thats more than a bigger box you carefully lay
your 500 round belt in. Some sort of clearing mechanism (smart or
rigged) would be nice, to. And a "breaker" in case of runaway fire.

>> How many runners have a system
>> for collecting their brass after firing?

Who needs them? Replacing / re-machining parts in the gun is cheap and
good maintenance, and makes forensic ballistics impossible. My
characters don't keep guns long anyhow. If your using a silenced
weapon, its probably a pistol, so get a revolver or pick up the brass
while you hide the body...

>For smaller weapons, though, the bag will inevitably get in the way >at
some point, I think.

No doubt when you most need it- like in a quickdraw. Most HK 227-s
equivalents for police have a single shot, closed bolt fire mode that
does NOT automatically eject the brass. So the SWAT cops won't slip on
thier casings, right? :)


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Message no. 3
From: Gurth <gurth@******.NL>
Subject: Re: Rigger 2: Ammo storage & caseless ammo
Date: Mon, 27 Oct 1997 12:05:25 +0100
Mon goose said on 23:30/26 Oct 97...

> >(you can stack quite some MG ammo boxes in 50x50x50 cm).
>
> HMMM... And the ends of all those boxes of belts are linked HOW?

I didn't say they were linked -- I said you can store them there, which is
quite something different. Not many AFVs carry all their ammo as "ready"
(i.e. available for immediate use), especially not for machineguns.

> And you avoid kinks and snags jams? In actuallity, most runners never
> need more than the 50 round clip, and any belt system needs a dedicated
> ammo storge area- not that thats more than a bigger box you carefully
> lay your 500 round belt in.

Which is my point as well. The box won't weigh much, and you can quite
simply guesstimate how many 500 (or whatever) round bins go into 1 CF.

> Some sort of clearing mechanism (smart or rigged) would be nice, to.
> And a "breaker" in case of runaway fire.

All of which won't take up much CF, will it?

> No doubt when you most need it- like in a quickdraw. Most HK 227-s
> equivalents for police have a single shot, closed bolt fire mode that
> does NOT automatically eject the brass. So the SWAT cops won't slip on
> thier casings, right? :)

Huh? Whether firing from open or closed bolt, the gun ejects the casing
after the shot. Perhaps you mean completely locking the bolt before
firing, thereby preventing it from going back and making noise? That is
only useful if you want to be quiet, though.

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Message no. 4
From: Mon goose <landsquid@*******.COM>
Subject: Re: Rigger 2: Ammo storage & caseless ammo
Date: Mon, 27 Oct 1997 08:18:14 PST
>> Some sort of clearing mechanism (smart or rigged) would be nice, to.
And a "breaker" in case of runaway fire.
>
>All of which won't take up much CF, will it?
>

BTSOOM. Not as much as the gun, probably.

>> No doubt when you most need it- like in a quickdraw. Most HK 227-s
>> equivalents for police have a single shot, closed bolt fire mode that
>> does NOT automatically eject the brass. So the SWAT cops won't slip
on
>> thier casings, right? :)
>
>Huh? Whether firing from open or closed bolt, the gun ejects the
>casing after the shot. Perhaps you mean completely locking the bolt
>before firing, thereby preventing it from going back and making >noise?
That is only useful if you want to be quiet, though.

Yes, LOCKED bolt, that's what I meant. No action noise, no plink of
brass.

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