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Message no. 1
From: Carsten Gehling carsten@**********.dk
Subject: Rigger 2 designs and availability
Date: Wed, 31 May 2000 08:25:56 +0200
I'm starting up a new campaign with some heavy restrictions on starting
gear. I allow no equipment with a availability higher than 5, except for one
piece which may be higher (if the player can argument for it).

However I have a problem with a guy who wants to be a rigger. Actually it's
not the guy I have a problem with :-) only that he wants a car built from
ground up using the rigger 2 design rules. But I can't find anywhere in
those rules, where availability is mentioned.

What should I do? Play it by ear? (As I do right now) Or do any of you have
some sound rules regarding this?

- Carsten

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Message no. 2
From: Gurth gurth@******.nl
Subject: Rigger 2 designs and availability
Date: Wed, 31 May 2000 12:08:25 +0200
According to Carsten Gehling, at 8:25 on 31 May 00, the word on the street
was...

> However I have a problem with a guy who wants to be a rigger. Actually it's
> not the guy I have a problem with :-) only that he wants a car built from
> ground up using the rigger 2 design rules. But I can't find anywhere in
> those rules, where availability is mentioned.

If you reverse-engineer the stats in the SR3 main rulebook, it turns out
that the Availability TN equals the cost divided by 20,000 nuyen, rounded
up. The availability time and street index are harder to do, but they're
not really important for starting characters. So, your rigger PC could buy
any vehicle costing 100,000 nuyen or less.

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Message no. 3
From: Carsten Gehling carsten@**********.dk
Subject: Rigger 2 designs and availability
Date: Wed, 31 May 2000 12:37:06 +0200
From: Gurth <gurth@******.nl>
Sent: Wednesday, May 31, 2000 12:08 PM

> If you reverse-engineer the stats in the SR3 main rulebook, it turns out
> that the Availability TN equals the cost divided by 20,000 nuyen, rounded
> up. The availability time and street index are harder to do, but they're
> not really important for starting characters. So, your rigger PC could buy
> any vehicle costing 100,000 nuyen or less.

Not always. I don't have my BBB right here, but it must depend on the type
of vehicle. 'Cause most bikes are cheaper than cars - that shouldn't
neccesary mean that they are easier to get. Which it does with the above
system.

- Carsten
Message no. 4
From: Gurth gurth@******.nl
Subject: Rigger 2 designs and availability
Date: Wed, 31 May 2000 19:19:22 +0200
According to Carsten Gehling, at 12:37 on 31 May 00, the word on the
street was...

> Not always. I don't have my BBB right here, but it must depend on the type
> of vehicle. 'Cause most bikes are cheaper than cars - that shouldn't
> neccesary mean that they are easier to get. Which it does with the above
> system.

Here's a comparison for all the vehicles in the SR3 rulebook:

Vehicle Availability Price Price / 20,000
Westwind 2000 6 109,000 5.45
Westwind 2000 Turbo 7 138,000 6.9
Ford Americar 2 20,000 1
Dodge Scoot 2 2,000 0.1
Harley Scorpion 2 14,300 0.715
Yamaha Rapier 2 12,700 0.635
Ares Roadmaster 3 45,000 2.25
Ford-Canada Bison 8 150,000 7.5
Chrysler-Nissan G12A 3 50,000 2.5
S-C Otter 2 27,500 1.375
Sendanko Marlin 2 22,500 1.125
Cessna C750 11 205,000 10.25
Ares Dragon 30 589,000 29.45
Hughes WK-2 Stallion 13 256,000 12.8
Ares Citymaster 30 582,000 29.1
C-N Patrol-1 9 174,000 8.7
GM-B Patroller 18 349,000 17.45
Northrup Wasp 7 122,000 6.1
GM-Nissan Doberman 2 25,600 1.28
Gaz-Niki GNRD-71 Bis 2 1,750 0.0875
Surveillance Drone 2 6,250 0.3125
MCT-Nissan Rotodrone 2 6,600 0.33
CD Dalmatian 2 15,800 0.79

_All_ the prices, divided by 20,000 and rounded up, equal the Availability
TN.

Now I agree with you that vehicles should be harder to get based on what
they are rather than what their catalog price is, that's not the way SR
has handled this since at least 1992 (SRII stated that Availability TN
equals the price divided by 10,000).

--
Gurth@******.nl - http://www.xs4all.nl/~gurth/index.html
Here come the golden oldies. Here come the Hezbollah.
-> NAGEE Editor * ShadowRN GridSec * Unofficial Shadowrun Guru <-
->The Plastic Warriors Page: http://shadowrun.html.com/plasticwarriors/<-

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