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Message no. 1
From: Max Rible <slothman@*********.ORG>
Subject: Rigger 2: Unfair to Trolls!
Date: Wed, 22 Oct 1997 10:47:30 -0800
Last night, I tried to re-create the design point total of the Honda Viking
motorcycle, in an attempt to figure out the appropriate acceleration figure
for turbocharging. (+10 was obviously too much. +1 looks about right for
what I found.) I took the chopper chassis, the gasoline engine, and started
making modifications. (While doing so, I discovered that a bucket seat costs
150kg of load at design time but only 100kg when you install it afterward,
and that you can't fit a bucket seat in a small sidecar.) As I neared
completion, I noticed the point total fell well short of the Honda Viking's
listed total... until, as a final step, I began fitting the Troll
modifications
in. Surprise, surprise! I couldn't find a way that a motorcycle engine can
handle the mass of two Trolls, let alone do so while providing the available
cargo space on a Honda Viking. (You need to add 300kg of load in order to
upgrade from two normal bucket seats to two reinforced bucket seats, and there
aren't any engines that do that.)

Can anyone manage to replicate the Honda Viking's point totals in the design
system? Also, are there any motorcycle riders on the list who would care
to comment on the economy figures given for motorcycles in Rigger 2? I
notice that a lot of the economy figures have gotten a lot worse from
RBB to Rigger 2. I thought that motorcycles got far better mileage than
cars (since there's less mass to move for a given amount of fuel).

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Message no. 2
From: Sean Martinez <el_bandit@****.COM>
Subject: Re: Rigger 2: Unfair to Trolls!
Date: Wed, 22 Oct 1997 16:33:54 -0400
Greetings!!!

Has anyone else noticed how hard it is to have a vehicle (specifically a
sports car) with any sort of armor? I have always been under the
impression that it was possible to armor a vehicle to with stand some
small arms fire.

Can any armored motor heads comment on this?

I managed to recreate the SAAB with 6 points of armor, but the upkeep on
the machine is over 3,000 a month-which is a bit steep.

-El Bandit

Http://members.aol.com/elbandit/index.html
Message no. 3
From: Gurth <gurth@******.NL>
Subject: Re: Rigger 2: Unfair to Trolls!
Date: Thu, 23 Oct 1997 11:41:39 +0100
Max Rible said on 10:47/22 Oct 97...

> Can anyone manage to replicate the Honda Viking's point totals in the design
> system?

I haven't tried, but if I remember to, I'll do an attempt.

> Also, are there any motorcycle riders on the list who would care to
> comment on the economy figures given for motorcycles in Rigger 2?

I'm not a motorcyclist, but due to circumstances I do own a book about
this year's motorcycles. Damn, I just looked and I can't find it
anymore... I think I've lent it to someone else. However, for modern-day
motorcycles you're looking at about 15 to 25 km/l at least, with tank
sizes of about 10 to 20 liters (all IIRC).

> I notice that a lot of the economy figures have gotten a lot worse from
> RBB to Rigger 2.

Good. I haven't compared them myself, but I always thought that 100 km/l,
or even 50 km/l, was ridiculous.

> I thought that motorcycles got far better mileage than cars (since
> there's less mass to move for a given amount of fuel).

Definitely. Most have smaller engines as well, which also helps a lot (you
can make a high-performance bike with a 600 cc engine, while a small
(European/Japanese) car has about twice that displacement and worse
performance.

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