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Message no. 1
From: John Dukes <dukes@*******.NET>
Subject: Rigger Dump Shock Questions
Date: Mon, 16 Mar 1998 17:39:51 -0600
Hey folks, I've been reading the posts about Rigger2 stuff on the list
recently and thought I would throw in my contribution to the topic. Any
commentary is welcome. I would be absolutely delighted if Mr. Szeto would
take the time to reply.

Question 1:
A rigger for manages to crash the vehicle he is driving. Lets suppose he by
some miracle survives the combination of the damage that caused the crash,
the actual crash damage, and the 6S for a destroyed vehicle. Does he also
suffer dump shock?

Question 2:
Dump shock is <RCD rating> +4 S (stun). Does this mean that if you are
directly jacked into a vehicle (not using a Remote Control Deck) you dont
suffer dump-shock? I highly doubt it, so how MUCH dump shock is there from
direct control of a vehicle?

Question 3:
I am told that dump shock for a decker is the same regardless of the
quality of the cyberdeck he uses. Why does dump shock get nastier when you
use a higher rated Remote Control Deck?

Question 4:
Rigger2 says when a vehicle takes severe or deadly damage, the rigger takes
6M or 6S (respectively) damage. Can the rigger use his control pool or
combat pool to help resist this damage?

Question 5:
Rigger2 says when a vehicle takes severe or deadly damage, the rigger takes
6M or 6S (respectively) damage. Does the rigger suffer this damage if he is
in Captains Chair mode and one of his drones he is not directly controlling
gets toasted? (The book never says one way or the other.)

Thanks alot! Peace!
-Teeg
Message no. 2
From: Robert Watkins <robert.watkins@******.COM>
Subject: Re: Rigger Dump Shock Questions
Date: Tue, 17 Mar 1998 10:07:02 +1000
John Dukes writes:
>Hey folks, I've been reading the posts about Rigger2 stuff on the list
>recently and thought I would throw in my contribution to the topic. Any
>commentary is welcome. I would be absolutely delighted if Mr. Szeto would
>take the time to reply.


He might, but I will now... hope you're not too disappointed... :)

>Question 1:
>A rigger for manages to crash the vehicle he is driving. Lets suppose he by
>some miracle survives the combination of the damage that caused the crash,
>the actual crash damage, and the 6S for a destroyed vehicle. Does he also
>suffer dump shock?


I haven't actually seen R2, so I might be wrong, but I'd say yes. He was
connected to an artificial reality, and is suddenly disconnected. He suffers
dump shock.

>Question 2:
>Dump shock is <RCD rating> +4 S (stun). Does this mean that if you are
>directly jacked into a vehicle (not using a Remote Control Deck) you dont
>suffer dump-shock? I highly doubt it, so how MUCH dump shock is there from
>direct control of a vehicle?


No.. you'd suffer (0) + 4S (stun) (unless there's another area that covers
the rules for direct control)

>Question 3:
>I am told that dump shock for a decker is the same regardless of the
>quality of the cyberdeck he uses. Why does dump shock get nastier when you
>use a higher rated Remote Control Deck?


*shrug* They wanted to change the rules?
Actually, it's probably because you can control multiple remotes with a
higher rating RCD, so you're losing more streams of input, so more
disorientation. If your GM buys this arguement, you might be able to make
the modifier be the number of controlled remotes, as opposed to the rating
of the deck.

>Question 4:
>Rigger2 says when a vehicle takes severe or deadly damage, the rigger takes
>6M or 6S (respectively) damage. Can the rigger use his control pool or
>combat pool to help resist this damage?


Should do. Does it say no?

>Question 5:
>Rigger2 says when a vehicle takes severe or deadly damage, the rigger takes
>6M or 6S (respectively) damage. Does the rigger suffer this damage if he is
>in Captains Chair mode and one of his drones he is not directly controlling
>gets toasted? (The book never says one way or the other.)


I'd say no... he's not receiving feedback from the drone at the time of
destruction, so he doesn't get hurt.

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Message no. 3
From: John Dukes <dukes@*******.NET>
Subject: Re: Rigger Dump Shock Questions
Date: Tue, 17 Mar 1998 17:27:04 -0600
>>Question 1:
>>A rigger for manages to crash the vehicle he is driving. Lets suppose he by
>>some miracle survives the combination of the damage that caused the crash,
>>the actual crash damage, and the 6S for a destroyed vehicle. Does he also
>>suffer dump shock?
>
>
>I haven't actually seen R2, so I might be wrong, but I'd say yes. He was
>connected to an artificial reality, and is suddenly disconnected. He suffers
>dump shock.
>
>>Question 2:
>>Dump shock is <RCD rating> +4 S (stun). Does this mean that if you are
>>directly jacked into a vehicle (not using a Remote Control Deck) you dont
>>suffer dump-shock? I highly doubt it, so how MUCH dump shock is there from
>>direct control of a vehicle?
>
>
>No.. you'd suffer (0) + 4S (stun) (unless there's another area that covers
>the rules for direct control)
>
>>Question 3:
>>I am told that dump shock for a decker is the same regardless of the
>>quality of the cyberdeck he uses. Why does dump shock get nastier when you
>>use a higher rated Remote Control Deck?
>
>
>*shrug* They wanted to change the rules?
>Actually, it's probably because you can control multiple remotes with a
>higher rating RCD, so you're losing more streams of input, so more
>disorientation. If your GM buys this arguement, you might be able to make
>the modifier be the number of controlled remotes, as opposed to the rating
>of the deck.
>
>>Question 4:
>>Rigger2 says when a vehicle takes severe or deadly damage, the rigger takes
>>6M or 6S (respectively) damage. Can the rigger use his control pool or
>>combat pool to help resist this damage?
>
>
>Should do. Does it say no?
>
>>Question 5:
>>Rigger2 says when a vehicle takes severe or deadly damage, the rigger takes
>>6M or 6S (respectively) damage. Does the rigger suffer this damage if he is
>>in Captains Chair mode and one of his drones he is not directly controlling
>>gets toasted? (The book never says one way or the other.)
>
>
>I'd say no... he's not receiving feedback from the drone at the time of
>destruction, so he doesn't get hurt.


After reading through the vehicle design section of Rigger2, another
question came up...
Page 117, right column, top. "Signiature Improvement".
There appears to be a typo on the design cost. It doesnt make any sense. In
my copy it says:
"Design Cost (Levels of improvement): 4 x 200 points"
So uhm... the question is... what does that MEAN?

Any assistance would be appreciated. Hope I'm not asking one of those
questions that has been answered 100 times on the list before. :-\

Peace!
-Teeg
Message no. 4
From: Fade <runefo@***.UIO.NO>
Subject: Re: Rigger Dump Shock Questions
Date: Wed, 18 Mar 1998 01:44:35 +0000
> After reading through the vehicle design section of Rigger2, another
> question came up...
> Page 117, right column, top. "Signiature Improvement".
> There appears to be a typo on the design cost. It doesnt make any sense. In
> my copy it says:
> "Design Cost (Levels of improvement): 4 x 200 points"
> So uhm... the question is... what does that MEAN?
>
> Any assistance would be appreciated. Hope I'm not asking one of those
> questions that has been answered 100 times on the list before. :-\

Similarly typed design costs use '^' - that is, the cost is
improvement^4*200, or
(improvement*improvement*improvement*improvement*200)

Which gets fairly steep for anything higher than 1, especially since,
IIRC, it also grades the craft as military.

Note that it's what I *guess* it means - I don't *know*. But it's
what I use.

--
Fade

And the Prince of Lies said:
"To reign is worth ambition, though in Hell:
Better to reign in hell than to serve in heaven."
-John Milton, Paradise Lost
Message no. 5
From: Gurth <gurth@******.NL>
Subject: Re: Rigger Dump Shock Questions
Date: Wed, 18 Mar 1998 11:46:31 +0100
John Dukes said on 17:27/17 Mar 98...

> There appears to be a typo on the design cost. It doesnt make any sense. In
> my copy it says:
> "Design Cost (Levels of improvement): 4 x 200 points"
> So uhm... the question is... what does that MEAN?

IMHO it's a bit of an awkward way of saying the maximum level is 4, and it
costs 200 points per level. Probably a typo, yes.

> Peace!
> -Teeg

<GridSec>
Teeg, could you delete the parts of a message you're not replying to,
instead of adding your reply to the bottom of a three-screen post? Thanks.
</GridSec>

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