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Message no. 1
From: Justin Thomas <Justin.C.Thomas-1@**.umn.edu>
Subject: rigger question
Date: Sat, 23 Mar 96 10:06:13 -0600
I have a question, I searched though the SR2 book and the riger book and
nowhere can I find where it says how many dice a riger uses to fire with a
drone... does he use his firearm/gunnery skill? or does it use the drones
autopilot? or does it use a combination of the two? where can I find my
answers, thank you for you time...
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Justin Thomas
"Farr"
Email:
thom0767@**.umn.edu
or if that doesn't work
justin.thomas@*********.mn.org
Message no. 2
From: Randy "Wistler" Szabadics <wistler@**.net>
Subject: RE: rigger question
Date: Sat, 23 Mar 96 17:43:32 -0500
Justin Tomas Wrote:

>I have a question, I searched though the SR2 book and the riger book and
>nowhere can I find where it says how many dice a riger uses to fire with a
>drone... does he use his firearm/gunnery skill? or does it use the drones
>autopilot? or does it use a combination of the two? where can I find my
>answers, thank you for you time...

As far As I understand you would use your firearms/gunnery skill. As you would if you were
using a vehicle mounted weapon. You may add in your combat or karma pools only. Maybe your
control pool depending on your GM. I know I game with 2.

The auto pilot is only used if the drone is doing the action itself. If otherwords if you
are controling 4 drones. The book says that you may only actually fully control one per
action. The others are issued simple commands such as fire at (target). In this case the
drone you fully control fires its weapon with your skill. The others use their autopilot.

If I'm wrong please correct me. I don't have the book in front of me and I can't remember
the full rules. I don't play riggers often.

I hope this helps.

Randy "Wistler" Szabadics
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Message no. 3
From: Peter David Boddy <pdboddy@****.carleton.ca>
Subject: Re: rigger question
Date: Sat, 23 Mar 96 20:19:15 EST
Justin Thomas writes:
>
> I have a question, I searched though the SR2 book and the riger book and
> nowhere can I find where it says how many dice a riger uses to fire with a
> drone... does he use his firearm/gunnery skill? or does it use the drones
> autopilot? or does it use a combination of the two? where can I find my
> answers, thank you for you time...
If my memory serves me correctly, I beleive that the combat sections in
the SRII rulebook, and the Rigger's Black Book state that you use both the
skill and the autopilot rating for firing guns (this is when the rigger is
actively controlling the vehicle/drone). If you are remote piloting the
drone, ie using more than one vehicle at a time, you only get the
autopilot rating for firing guns.

Pete
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Email address: pdboddy@****.carleton.ca
Email address: bx955@*******.carleton.ca
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Message no. 4
From: Peter David Boddy <pdboddy@****.carleton.ca>
Subject: RE: rigger question
Date: Sat, 23 Mar 96 20:24:26 EST
Randy "Wistler" Szabadics writes:
>
> Justin Tomas Wrote:
>
> >I have a question, I searched though the SR2 book and the riger book and
> >nowhere can I find where it says how many dice a riger uses to fire with a
> >drone... does he use his firearm/gunnery skill? or does it use the drones
> >autopilot? or does it use a combination of the two? where can I find my
> >answers, thank you for you time...
>
> As far As I understand you would use your firearms/gunnery skill. As you would if you
were using a vehicle mounted weapon. You may add in your combat or karma pools only. Maybe
your control pool depending on your GM. I know I game with 2.
>
> The auto pilot is only used if the drone is doing the action itself. If otherwords if
you are controling 4 drones. The book says that you may only actually fully control one
per action. The others are issued simple commands such as fire at (target). In
th> is case the drone you fully control fires its weapon with your skill. The others
use their autopilot.
You can add the autopilot rating to your skill, if you are actively
controlling the drone, if the drone is loitering by itself, on autopilot,
then it would only get its autopilot rating to fire its guns

Pete
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Peter David Boddy
Carleton University
Email address: pdboddy@****.carleton.ca
Email address: bx955@*******.carleton.ca
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Message no. 5
From: Randy "Wistler" Szabadics <wistler@**.net>
Subject: RE: rigger question
Date: Sat, 23 Mar 96 21:30:49 -0500
Peter David Boddy Wites:

> The auto pilot is only used if the drone is doing the action itself. If
>otherwords if you are controling 4 drones. The book says that you may >only
actually fully control one per action. The others are issued simple >commands such as
fire at (target). In
>this case the drone you fully control fires its weapon with your skill. The >others
use their autopilot.
>You can add the autopilot rating to your skill, if you are actively
>controlling the drone, if the drone is loitering by itself, on autopilot,
>then it would only get its autopilot rating to fire its guns

Thanks for the correction Pete.

>Pete
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>Peter David Boddy
>Carleton University
>Email address: pdboddy@****.carleton.ca
>Email address: bx955@*******.carleton.ca
>----------------------------------------------------------------------

Randy "Wistler" Szabadics
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Message no. 6
From: Justin Thomas <Justin.C.Thomas-1@**.umn.edu>
Subject: Re: rigger question
Date: Sun, 24 Mar 96 11:54:31 -0600
>If my memory serves me correctly, I beleive that the combat sections in
>the SRII rulebook, and the Rigger's Black Book state that you use both the
>skill and the autopilot rating for firing guns (this is when the rigger is
>actively controlling the vehicle/drone). If you are remote piloting the
>drone, ie using more than one vehicle at a time, you only get the
>autopilot rating for firing guns.
>
>Pete

yes, this is what I though it was... but where does it say this.... I read
the vehical combat section many times and the rigers as well but I just
couldn't find where it discussis this.... I'm just blabbering I guess...:)
******************************
Justin Thomas
"Farr"
Email:
thom0767@**.umn.edu
or if that doesn't work
justin.thomas@*********.mn.org
Message no. 7
From: Peter David Boddy <pdboddy@****.carleton.ca>
Subject: Re: rigger question
Date: Mon, 25 Mar 96 11:55:38 EST
Justin Thomas writes:
>
> >If my memory serves me correctly, I beleive that the combat sections in
> >the SRII rulebook, and the Rigger's Black Book state that you use both the
> >skill and the autopilot rating for firing guns (this is when the rigger is
> >actively controlling the vehicle/drone). If you are remote piloting the
> >drone, ie using more than one vehicle at a time, you only get the
> >autopilot rating for firing guns.
> >
> >Pete
>
> yes, this is what I though it was... but where does it say this.... I read
> the vehical combat section many times and the rigers as well but I just
> couldn't find where it discussis this.... I'm just blabbering I guess...:)
Well, while I don't have my books with me (I'm at school right now), I'll
look in them when I get home, and I'll tell you where to find the rule.

Pete
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Peter David Boddy
Carleton University
Email address: pdboddy@****.carleton.ca
Email address: bx955@*******.carleton.ca
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Message no. 8
From: Hunter griffinhq@****.com
Subject: Rigger Question
Date: Wed, 28 Jul 1999 00:51:20 -0400
I've got a drone question:
Can a drone (and therefore a robot) use smartgun link hardware?

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Message no. 9
From: GRANITE granite@**.net
Subject: Rigger Question
Date: Tue, 27 Jul 1999 22:54:05 -0700
> I've got a drone question:
> Can a drone (and therefore a robot) use smartgun link hardware?

Off hand I do not recall R2 saying that it is allowed..So I woud rule
that it is not in the interest of game balance..And there are going
to be lots of folks that will not like the rigger being able to be in
a gun battle and not get shot..never mind a rigger's usefulness or
the other dangers to a rigger..
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Message no. 10
From: Twist0059@***.com Twist0059@***.com
Subject: Rigger Question
Date: Wed, 28 Jul 1999 02:42:36 EDT
In a message dated 7/28/99 1:15:49 AM Eastern Daylight Time, granite@**.net
writes:

> > I've got a drone question:
> > Can a drone (and therefore a robot) use smartgun link hardware?
>
> Off hand I do not recall R2 saying that it is allowed..So I woud rule
> that it is not in the interest of game balance..And there are going
> to be lots of folks that will not like the rigger being able to be in
> a gun battle and not get shot..never mind a rigger's usefulness or
> the other dangers to a rigger..


In R2, drones are considered vehicles just as cars are. So in the wording
there's nothing that keeps a rigger from using a smartlink in a drone (or
even a remote piloted car). In fact, considering the way remote decks work
(transmitting such vast amounts of data through the air) I don't think it'd
be a concern to wonder if Smartlinks work on drones. So, yes.




-Twist
Message no. 11
From: Twist0059@***.com Twist0059@***.com
Subject: Rigger Question
Date: Wed, 28 Jul 1999 02:45:18 EDT
In a message dated 7/28/99 1:15:49 AM Eastern Daylight Time, granite@**.net
writes:

> Off hand I do not recall R2 saying that it is allowed..So I woud rule
> that it is not in the interest of game balance..And there are going
> to be lots of folks that will not like the rigger being able to be in
> a gun battle and not get shot..never mind a rigger's usefulness or
> the other dangers to a rigger..


Oh, and a rigger could always use a gun in battle and not get shot at. But
to get the bonuses of a smartlink, he'd have to be jumped into the drone.
That means considering the weak armor of most drones, he'll be going down
from dump shock.
Better to load up on Pilot upgrades and just captain chair the
fraggers to hell.




-Twist
Message no. 12
From: Airwasp@***.com Airwasp@***.com
Subject: Rigger Question
Date: Wed, 28 Jul 1999 09:37:32 EDT
In a message dated 7/27/99 11:51:11 PM US Eastern Standard Time,
griffinhq@****.com writes:

> I've got a drone question:
> Can a drone (and therefore a robot) use smartgun link hardware?

Yes, either to fire a weapon or, if allowed, to allow for better precision
b/r tasks.

-Mike B.
Message no. 13
From: Number Ten Ox number_10_ox@**********.com
Subject: Rigger Question
Date: Wed, 28 Jul 1999 06:47:42 -0700 (PDT)
---GRANITE <granite@**.net> wrote:
>
> > I've got a drone question:
> > Can a drone (and therefore a robot) use smartgun link hardware?
>
> Off hand I do not recall R2 saying that it is allowed..So I woud rule
> that it is not in the interest of game balance..

Well, not only that, it also makes no sense. A smartlink is meant
to directly interface a gun and the human brain. An armed drone in captain's
chair mode doesn't have a human brain to do anything with, and an
armed drone with a rigger 'jumped into' it is already wired into the
rigger's brain, through a *different* region of the brain.

(Besides, the gunnery rules are awful enough as it is.)

--Number 10.


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Message no. 14
From: Twist0059@***.com Twist0059@***.com
Subject: Rigger Question
Date: Wed, 28 Jul 1999 10:03:40 EDT
In a message dated 7/28/99 9:49:25 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
number_10_ox@**********.com writes:

> Well, not only that, it also makes no sense. A smartlink is meant
> to directly interface a gun and the human brain. An armed drone in
captain's
> chair mode doesn't have a human brain to do anything with, and an
> armed drone with a rigger 'jumped into' it is already wired into the
> rigger's brain, through a *different* region of the brain.
>
> (Besides, the gunnery rules are awful enough as it is.)
>
> --Number 10.


An armed drone with the rigger jumped into it is the same as a normal car the
rigger is jacked into. So the smartlinks should, by the rules, work in all
cases of direct rigger control. Sharpshooter, I believe, is the only way to
enhance a captain chair drone's ability to fire, other than straight Pilot
upgrades.



-Twist
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Message no. 15
From: Ereskanti@***.com Ereskanti@***.com
Subject: Rigger Question
Date: Wed, 28 Jul 1999 11:58:48 EDT
In a message dated 7/27/1999 11:51:11 PM US Eastern Standard Time,
griffinhq@****.com writes:

> I've got a drone question:
> Can a drone (and therefore a robot) use smartgun link hardware?

From which POV?

By keeping the drone from *NOT* shooting someone? Yes.

By giving the drone -2 to its' gunnery action target numbers? No, not that I
can think of.

Jon S.???

-K
Message no. 16
From: Graht Graht@**********.worldnet.att.net
Subject: Rigger Question
Date: Thu, 29 Jul 1999 16:19:52 -0500
Hunter wrote:
/ I've got a drone question:
/ Can a drone (and therefore a robot) use smartgun link hardware?

No, and no. All IMHO.

I don't feel that a drone can use a smartgun to increase it's own
effectiveness because a smartgun link is a human interface device. A
drone's autopilot doesn't have the same type or sensory or perception
system to "link" to. 'Sides, I assume that a drone with gunnery skill,
sensors, and a mounted weapon already has some sort of "smart gun"-like
system that's taken been taken into account (a simple math program to
correlate where the gun is pointing in relation to what the sensors are
targeting).

I don't believe that a rigger could use a smart gun link with a remote
weapon because the rigger is receiving information from the control rig and
it's as if he is the vehicle, but the smartgun reticule is displayed to the
visual perception of his meat body.

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Message no. 17
From: Twist0059@***.com Twist0059@***.com
Subject: Rigger Question
Date: Thu, 29 Jul 1999 18:30:57 EDT
In a message dated 7/29/99 6:19:31 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
Graht@**********.worldnet.att.net writes:

> I don't believe that a rigger could use a smart gun link with a remote
> weapon because the rigger is receiving information from the control rig and
> it's as if he is the vehicle, but the smartgun reticule is displayed to the
> visual perception of his meat body.
>
> -Graht


By that thinking, though, Riggers couldn't use smartlinks even when they are
directly jacked into a vehicle.




-Twist
"A.C.T.S."
Message no. 18
From: Lloyd Vance ljvance@*******.edu
Subject: Rigger Question
Date: Thu, 29 Jul 1999 15:59:25
At 06:30 PM 7/29/99 EDT, you wrote:
>In a message dated 7/29/99 6:19:31 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
>Graht@**********.worldnet.att.net writes:
>
>> I don't believe that a rigger could use a smart gun link with a remote
>> weapon because the rigger is receiving information from the control rig
and
>> it's as if he is the vehicle, but the smartgun reticule is displayed to
the
>> visual perception of his meat body.
>>
>> -Graht
>
>By that thinking, though, Riggers couldn't use smartlinks even when they are
>directly jacked into a vehicle.
>
>-Twist
>"A.C.T.S."

Well. I kind of go back and forth on this. On one hand, Graht has a
point, because do you expect a decker to see the red dot, if he happens to
have a gun in his hand, in the Matrix? No, of course not. So how can
another totally artificial experience, rigging, give you that?

But, on Twists side, there is the fact that the gun actually exists in the
world that is being relayed to the rigger, and it makes sense that _most_
of the aiming helpers would apply, and SGL would be one of those.

In the end, I lean toward Twist. It is already hard to be a rigger. Why
make it harder by not allowing them the simple pleasures of life?

--The Hamm

"Just because I don't have Stealth is no reason to leave me at home."
--Jacques, Decker/Rigger
Message no. 19
From: Iridios iridios@*********.com
Subject: Rigger Question
Date: Thu, 29 Jul 1999 21:12:46 -0400
Lloyd Vance wrote:

> Well. I kind of go back and forth on this. On one hand, Graht has a
> point, because do you expect a decker to see the red dot, if he happens to
> have a gun in his hand, in the Matrix? No, of course not. So how can
> another totally artificial experience, rigging, give you that?
>
> But, on Twists side, there is the fact that the gun actually exists in the
> world that is being relayed to the rigger, and it makes sense that _most_
> of the aiming helpers would apply, and SGL would be one of those.
>
> In the end, I lean toward Twist. It is already hard to be a rigger. Why
> make it harder by not allowing them the simple pleasures of life?

Not to spoil anyones party, or anything. But Rigger 2 does include a
Smartlink Integration Kit in the Vehicle Design & Customization
section. Without which "smartgun-equipped weapons mounted in fixed
mounts or turrets do not gain the benefit of the smartlink during
Manual Gunnery tests." (p.134)

It also states that "...the gunner need not be jacked into the vehicle
to take advantage of the smartlink system."

And, "The smartlink integration kit is not necessary for weapons
mounted on pintle or ring mounts."

So, in essence both are right. With the right equipment, a rigger can
use his smartlink to target some weapons during manual gunnery
situations. What it doesn't state (on that page at least) is if
sensor enhanced gunnery overrides the smartlink bonuses, which I would
think it would.

--
Iridios
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Avoid what you cannot accept."
Message no. 20
From: Twist0059@***.com Twist0059@***.com
Subject: Rigger Question
Date: Thu, 29 Jul 1999 21:22:02 EDT
In a message dated 7/29/99 9:13:09 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
iridios@*********.com writes:

> Not to spoil anyones party, or anything. But Rigger 2 does include a
> Smartlink Integration Kit in the Vehicle Design & Customization
> section. Without which "smartgun-equipped weapons mounted in fixed
> mounts or turrets do not gain the benefit of the smartlink during
> Manual Gunnery tests." (p.134)
>


That's what I've been saying.




-Twist
Message no. 21
From: Wolfchild nathan.olsen@*******.msus.edu
Subject: Rigger Question
Date: Thu, 12 Aug 1999 16:46:49 -0500 (CDT)
It looks like I'm gradually getting a SR gaming group back together. Yay!
Anyway, on one of the runs I'm planning, the team will be infiltrating a
complex with a rigger-controlled security system. Seeing as one of the
characters is a rigger and I'm providing a secondary jack-in point, there
is a distinct possibility that corp rigger and PC rigger may end up
fighting for control over the security system. How would it work to
resolve contested control over a system by two or more riggers? Opposed
control pool test, target 4?




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Message no. 22
From: Starrngr@***.com Starrngr@***.com
Subject: Rigger Question
Date: Thu, 12 Aug 1999 18:20:37 EDT
In a message dated 8/12/99 2:47:40 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
nathan.olsen@*******.msus.edu writes:

> It looks like I'm gradually getting a SR gaming group back together. Yay!
> Anyway, on one of the runs I'm planning, the team will be infiltrating a
> complex with a rigger-controlled security system. Seeing as one of the
> characters is a rigger and I'm providing a secondary jack-in point, there
> is a distinct possibility that corp rigger and PC rigger may end up
> fighting for control over the security system. How would it work to
> resolve contested control over a system by two or more riggers? Opposed
> control pool test, target 4?

Nope. The info you want is all on Pages 79-81 of Rigger 2. Its a bit more
complex than that.

Step 1: find a hardware access point
Step 2 Tap into the data lines
Step 3 Defeat encryption
Step 4 Adjust to System Protocals
Step 5 Fight Rigger in control.
5A) Roll initiative as per normal combat
5B) The rigger who won can choose to attack / disengage. Opposed
willpower Test, the rigger with the most successes does (Willpower)L STUN
damage to the other, extra suceeses stage up. Looser then gets a body test
to resist the damage.
5C) Combat continues until one of the two gives up (and Jacks out) or
Passes out
Message no. 23
From: Twist0059@***.com Twist0059@***.com
Subject: Rigger Question
Date: Thu, 12 Aug 1999 19:49:55 EDT
In a message dated 8/12/99 5:47:40 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
nathan.olsen@*******.msus.edu writes:

> It looks like I'm gradually getting a SR gaming group back together. Yay!
> Anyway, on one of the runs I'm planning, the team will be infiltrating a
> complex with a rigger-controlled security system. Seeing as one of the
> characters is a rigger and I'm providing a secondary jack-in point, there
> is a distinct possibility that corp rigger and PC rigger may end up
> fighting for control over the security system. How would it work to
> resolve contested control over a system by two or more riggers? Opposed
> control pool test, target 4?


The procedure is in R2.




-Twist
Message no. 24
From: IronRaven cyberraven@********.net
Subject: Rigger Question
Date: Fri, 13 Aug 1999 09:00:34 -0400
At 16.46 08-12-99 -0500, you wrote:
>resolve contested control over a system by two or more riggers? Opposed
>control pool test, target 4?

I'd give the home court advantage to target rigger (-1 TN), but I'd also
raise the TN to around 5 and allow them to add willpower to thier roll.
And if they can get a decker into the purely computer systems, I would
allow the team's decker to try to cut off the target rigger's controls,
treating it like a less the brilliant but still intelligent system.
Not sure of the mechanics, though, on that last one.


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Message no. 25
From: Lloyd Vance ljvance@*******.edu
Subject: Rigger Question
Date: Fri, 13 Aug 1999 16:17:34
At 09:00 AM 8/13/99 -0400, you wrote:

> I'd give the home court advantage to target rigger (-1 TN), but I'd also
>raise the TN to around 5 and allow them to add willpower to thier roll.
>And if they can get a decker into the purely computer systems, I would
>allow the team's decker to try to cut off the target rigger's controls,
>treating it like a less the brilliant but still intelligent system.
> Not sure of the mechanics, though, on that last one.
>Kevin Dole, aka CyberRaven, aka IronRaven, aka Steel Tengu

Way back, in SR1 before RBB came out, I had a guy playing a rigger who
wanted to jack into the company's security system, and all I had to do to
stop him was say, "Password Please." He had no computer skill at all, so
couldn't sleaze his way past. Of course, they had done almost no research
in order to obtain the password, or chip in a computer skill.

-The Hamm
Message no. 26
From: shadowrn@*********.com (Iridios)
Subject: Rigger question
Date: Wed Aug 1 21:35:05 2001
Greetings all,

Don't get much time to respond, much less ask questions. But I've got one
that has me a wee bit stumped.

I know that riggers who are jumped into a drone are 'fully immersed' and
cannot sense their meat surroundings. But what about riggers operating in
'Captains Chair'? Are they immersed into a simsense enviroment, or can they
act in the meat world while keeping an eye on their drones.

I read SR3, R2, and R3 and can't find anything conclusive. I'm of the
mind that a rigger still cannot operate in the meat world while in the
Captains Chair, but does anyone have anything to back that up or disprove
it?

--
Iridios

Pendere Et Illegitimi Non Carborundum
Message no. 27
From: shadowrn@*********.com (sven)
Subject: Rigger question
Date: Thu Aug 2 03:55:09 2001
Iridios wrote:

> I know that riggers who are jumped into a drone are 'fully
> immersed' and cannot sense their meat surroundings. But what
> about riggers operating in 'Captains Chair'? Are they
> immersed into a simsense enviroment, or can they act in the
> meat world while keeping an eye on their drones.

<snip>
I think it's on p.27 or R3:
* a rigger can override the simsense experience when he jumped into a
drone, but all physical actions get a +8 modifier
* in captains chair mode the rigger gets only a +1 modifier performing
any other action than controlling drones or vehicles

Just my thoughts,

-sven ;)
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Message no. 28
From: scotthiller2002@*****.com (Scott Hiller)
Subject: Rigger Question
Date: Wed, 27 Oct 2004 22:38:26 -0700 (PDT)
I'm reading through the Rigger section of the main SR
book and the Rigger 3: Revised book (about 1/4 of the
way through with Rigger 3: Revised). How would a GM
describe to their rigger players what they are
expiriencing with ECM, ECCM, MIJI, etc. with regards
to simsense?

What would the rigger network look like to a rigger?

-Scott



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Message no. 29
From: korishinzo@*****.com (Ice Heart)
Subject: Rigger Question
Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2004 08:30:22 -0700 (PDT)
--- Scott Hiller <scotthiller2002@*****.com> wrote:

> I'm reading through the Rigger section of the main SR
> book and the Rigger 3: Revised book (about 1/4 of the
> way through with Rigger 3: Revised). How would a GM
> describe to their rigger players what they are
> expiriencing with ECM, ECCM, MIJI, etc. with regards
> to simsense?

It depends on the quality. I describe them as sensory 'static',
visual and audio data blurring in and out of focus, or missing
altogether. It is like picking up scrambled TV channels or catching
a bad radio signal. Noise is noise, whether you experience it first
hand or through simsense. Useless data arrives at your sensory
cortexes. So, the rigger hears bits and pieces of things, or sees
blurry images, or whatever. Sometimes, things will simply not show
up on one or more sets of sensors, and may be missed.

> What would the rigger network look like to a rigger?

>From the outside? Like a foreign insect hive "looks" to an outsider
insect. A lot of confusing smells/sounds/etc, noise without meaning.
Some of the noise will be familiar, due to similarity in protocol.
Other things will be missed completely, known and recognized only by
insiders on the signal network. If the network has good enough
encryption and signal hardening (ECCM), there might be almost no
noise leakage at all, and an outside rigger may not notice the
network against the backdrop of electronic noise present in even
modest metropolitan areas.

======Korishinzo
--rigging, the next frontier for house rules



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