Back to the main page

Mailing List Logs for ShadowRN

Message no. 1
From: Fastjack <uc298@*****.UNICAN.ES>
Subject: Riggers question
Date: Tue, 3 Dec 1996 08:55:16 +0100
Well,thats the problem:

The rigger was controlling remote vehicles via cyberware.ok
But he need to move from his position.ok

The problem is...can a rigger who is connected move,speak etc?If
so,penalization of +4?

I decided he cannot move,speak etc because(i dont have the rigger black
book...yet)all his sense are "removed"when he is connected(similar to
deckers).But as always wanted to read your opinions.:-)
Message no. 2
From: Guido Hölker <guido@******.COM>
Subject: Re: Riggers question
Date: Tue, 3 Dec 1996 10:04:33 +0100
>
>I decided he cannot move,speak etc because(i dont have the rigger black
>book...yet)all his sense are "removed"when he is connected(similar to
>deckers).But as always wanted to read your opinions.:-)

We made it that there are (similar to the old two types of decking) two
ways: Completely rigged in with a bonus in reaction and stuff but no access
to the outworld, communications only via cameras and Microphones on board
and not full rigged in with normal hearing and seeing (penalty is +2 here(
Message no. 3
From: Fastjack <uc298@*****.UNICAN.ES>
Subject: Re: Riggers question
Date: Tue, 3 Dec 1996 10:26:34 +0100
On Tue, 3 Dec 1996, Guido Hölker wrote:


We made it that there are (similar to the old two types of decking) two>
ways: Completely rigged in with a bonus in reaction and stuff but no access
to the outworld, communications only via cameras and Microphones on board
and not full rigged in with normal hearing and seeing (penalty is +2 here(



When you say "...only via cameras and micro on board..."you mean that the
rigger can speak but only trought his toys?

And another question:the rigger want to fire weapons from a vehicle he is
driving full rigged.He will use his firearms ability?we have a
discussion in which said the probably they use his driving ability,or
perhaps they have acces to the rigger pool instead combat pool to fire.
Smartgun link and similar does apply when riggering?
Sorry,but in al themes about riggers im a novice(still waiting the rigger
black book),and now im looking an ordering page from England,but the
shipping are 10 pounds! *thinking in friends who will buy with me in Spain*
Message no. 4
From: Wes Nicholson <wes@********.COM.AU>
Subject: Re: Riggers question
Date: Tue, 3 Dec 1996 21:33:31 +1100
>Well,thats the problem:
>
>The rigger was controlling remote vehicles via cyberware.ok
>But he need to move from his position.ok

OK, if this is a REAL rigger we're talking about, one of the vehicles
won't be a remote at all - it'll be a nicely armoured rigger's paradise and
it gets controlled just like any other vehicle through the VCR and/or deck.
If this a rigger who deigns to leave the safety of his(her?) most
treasured possession, then movement should be at +2 or +4, depending on
whether the remote deck is cybernetic or not.

>
>The problem is...can a rigger who is connected move,speak etc?If
>so,penalization of +4?
>
>I decided he cannot move,speak etc because(i dont have the rigger black
>book...yet)all his sense are "removed"when he is connected(similar to
>deckers).But as always wanted to read your opinions.:-)
>

Well, that's how I'd do it.
Of course, if the rigger is out of vehicle, you could penaise him for
being stupid :-)


Wes
Message no. 5
From: Wes Nicholson <wes@********.COM.AU>
Subject: Re: Riggers question
Date: Tue, 3 Dec 1996 21:38:21 +1100
>On Tue, 3 Dec 1996, Guido Hölker wrote:
>
>And another question:the rigger want to fire weapons from a vehicle he is
>driving full rigged.He will use his firearms ability?we have a
>discussion in which said the probably they use his driving ability,or
>perhaps they have acces to the rigger pool instead combat pool to fire.
>Smartgun link and similar does apply when riggering?
>Sorry,but in al themes about riggers im a novice(still waiting the rigger
>black book),and now im looking an ordering page from England,but the
>shipping are 10 pounds! *thinking in friends who will buy with me in Spain*
>

If the weapons are vehicle mounted, it's more likely you'd be using the
gunnery skill than either firearms or any of the driving skills. Smartgun
links are a bit more difficult, particularly if there are two weapons
mounted - which one gets the bonus? We play that Smartlink II's can
connect to a vehicle's system, but not SL I's. It's the rigger's choice
which weapon gets the bonus, but it has to be the same one all the time.

Wes
Message no. 6
From: Guido Hölker <guido@******.COM>
Subject: Re: Riggers question
Date: Tue, 3 Dec 1996 11:49:15 +0100
>
>When you say "...only via cameras and micro on board..."you mean that the
>rigger can speak but only trought his toys?
Yes, or maybe display something on a monitor, but his body is completely
overridden.

>And another question:the rigger want to fire weapons from a vehicle he is
>driving full rigged.He will use his firearms ability?we have a
>discussion in which said the probably they use his driving ability,or
>perhaps they have acces to the rigger pool instead combat pool to fire.
"Firearms" does oly apply when a gun is actually hold in hands. If the gun
is mounted to anythng, we use "Gunnery". And yes, we take the control-pool
instead of combat pool in this.
>Smartgun link and similar does apply when riggering?
Smartlink II does apply (of course only if the weapon has it as well, and
only a fully cybernetic Smartlink. "Similiar" like Radar-markers and so on
apply only if the vehicle has the matching sensors.
Over all we alow this opportunity only if:
Vehicle control Rig is of Grade II or more, sensors at least Level III.

>Sorry,but in al themes about riggers im a novice(still waiting the rigger
>black book),and now im looking an ordering page from England,but the
>shipping are 10 pounds! *thinking in friends who will buy with me in Spain*
no need to be sorry; most of this isn't in the english Rigger First edition
(**maybe** in the new one for second edition)
Message no. 7
From: The Digital Mage <mn3rge@****.AC.UK>
Subject: Re: Riggers question
Date: Tue, 3 Dec 1996 13:57:52 +0000
On Tue, 3 Dec 1996, Fastjack wrote:

> The rigger was controlling remote vehicles via cyberware.ok
> But he need to move from his position.ok
>
> The problem is...can a rigger who is connected move,speak etc?If
> so,penalization of +4?
What I say is that whiel directly controlling the vehicle he is imobile
but can speak -though not listen except through vehicle sensors.

However the rigger can setteh vehicle to autopilot and switch his
consciousness back to reality to move, he must remain jacked in to his
deck though to retain teh connection -he's just put it on the back burner.

This actually arose inteh current game where teh PCs were doing a data
steal. The rigger went in physically but left a Condor floating outside.
Every so often he switched back to geta birds eye view of teh compound and
see where the guards were.

The Digital Mage : mn3rge@****.ac.uk
"So that which I imagine, is that which I believe" -Rush
Shadowrun Web Site http://www.bath.ac.uk/~mn3rge/Shadowrun.html
Message no. 8
From: Glenn Robertson <Glenn.Robertson@***.EDU>
Subject: Re: Riggers question
Date: Tue, 3 Dec 1996 09:41:35 -0700
> However the rigger can setteh vehicle to autopilot and switch his
> consciousness back to reality to move, he must remain jacked in to his
> deck though to retain teh connection -he's just put it on the back burner.

I agree here. A rigger can be plugged in and not be using the remote
deck. The advantage here is that drones can function on autopilot, so
they can continue functioning when you aren't monitoring/controlling
them. I believe the RBB said that their doigbrains continue to function on
the last orders given them.


>
> This actually arose inteh current game where teh PCs were doing a data
> steal. The rigger went in physically but left a Condor floating outside.
> Every so often he switched back to geta birds eye view of teh compound and
> see where the guards were.

Nothing wrong with that at all! :) In the SR novel Dead Air the same
thing happened, and more than once. They were inside a house after dark,
and there was a drone hovering outside on autopilot. He would plug in
and see where they were coming from, then unplug to move and warn a
companion. Then he'd plug back in and attack with the drone. Check it
out, it was very rigger intensive, and good to read! :)

Glenn
Message no. 9
From: Glenn Robertson <Glenn.Robertson@***.EDU>
Subject: Re: Riggers question
Date: Tue, 3 Dec 1996 10:08:28 -0700
> If the weapons are vehicle mounted, it's more likely you'd be using the
> gunnery skill than either firearms or any of the driving skills.

They would be using gunnery skill, and I believe the SR book states
this, but it could be in the RBB. I don't have either one handy as I'm
in class! :) If it isn't held in the hand, it isn't firearm skill. Also,
since the smartlink is in the hand, it wouldn't work either. Most
vehicle mounted weopons are not actually in the rigger's hands anyway, as
he is usually deep inside the vehicle, and not in contact with the
physical world. However, via sensors and gunnery skill, he can operate
them.

Glenn
Message no. 10
From: Midn Daniel O Fredrikson <m992148@****.NAVY.MIL>
Subject: Re: Riggers question
Date: Tue, 3 Dec 1996 13:06:36 -0500
> > If the weapons are vehicle mounted, it's more likely you'd be using the
> > gunnery skill than either firearms or any of the driving skills.
>
> They would be using gunnery skill, and I believe the SR book states
> this, but it could be in the RBB. I don't have either one handy as I'm
> in class! :) If it isn't held in the hand, it isn't firearm skill. Also,
> since the smartlink is in the hand, it wouldn't work either.
>
It said something about riggers being able to use Smartlink II in Fields
of Fire. Don't know how much one can gather from it though.
Message no. 11
From: Steve Lusk <hunter@*****.CA>
Subject: Re: Riggers question
Date: Tue, 3 Dec 1996 15:37:15 -0500
Fastjack wrote:
>
> On Tue, 3 Dec 1996, Guido Hölker wrote:
>
> We made it that there are (similar to the old two types of decking) two>
> ways: Completely rigged in with a bonus in reaction and stuff but no access
> to the outworld, communications only via cameras and Microphones on board
> and not full rigged in with normal hearing and seeing (penalty is +2 here(
>
> When you say "...only via cameras and micro on board..."you mean that the
> rigger can speak but only trought his toys?
>
> And another question:the rigger want to fire weapons from a vehicle he is
> driving full rigged.He will use his firearms ability?we have a
> discussion in which said the probably they use his driving ability,or
> perhaps they have acces to the rigger pool instead combat pool to fire.
> Smartgun link and similar does apply when riggering?
> Sorry,but in al themes about riggers im a novice(still waiting the rigger
> black book),and now im looking an ordering page from England,but the
> shipping are 10 pounds! *thinking in friends who will buy with me in Spain*


We run, rigger can doing anything with his meat bod at a +8 target #
(from the equivalent rule in VR 1, a littl ebehind the SOTA, i realize,
but it works here). Speaking requires a Willpower(10) test (base 2,
plus the +8 mod). Riggers can speak through their toys, only by
installing special speakers (about 500 nuyen, no CF). Weapons fire
using the gunnery skill. Use Control Pool. Smartlink II gives a bonus,
but smartlink 1 does not.
As far as i know, the Black Book is out of print. (Can anyone confirm
or deny rumors of a Black Book II?)

--
Thus endeth the sermon

--William Hunter
Message no. 12
From: Guido Hölker <guido@******.COM>
Subject: Re: Riggers question
Date: Wed, 4 Dec 1996 12:08:12 +0100
Confirming Rumor about Rigger II
(maybe in fall 97)

Further Reading

If you enjoyed reading about Riggers question, you may also be interested in:

Disclaimer

These messages were posted a long time ago on a mailing list far, far away. The copyright to their contents probably lies with the original authors of the individual messages, but since they were published in an electronic forum that anyone could subscribe to, and the logs were available to subscribers and most likely non-subscribers as well, it's felt that re-publishing them here is a kind of public service.

Thwap!