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Message no. 1
From: Jan-bart van Beek <flake@***.NL>
Subject: Robbery Question
Date: Thu, 9 Feb 1995 16:57:01 +0100
The characters in my group want to ruin aspecific mister J.
Their plan is to invade his home , capture and torture the poor man,
untill he hands over his credstick and code. Then they want to plunder
his ZO bank account (probably close to 10 million). Can you plunder a
man's account this way or must he personnaly verify any big transactions,
can this be done by electronic communications or must he show up at the
local ZO office for a DNA check.

I am not a banking specialist , so can you guys tell what the flaws in
this pan are. How do big transactions work ?

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Message no. 2
From: Andrew <wadycki@***.CSO.UIUC.EDU>
Subject: Re: Robbery Question
Date: Thu, 9 Feb 1995 10:50:07 -0600
On Thu, 9 Feb 1995, Jan-bart van Beek wrote:

> The characters in my group want to ruin aspecific mister J.
> Their plan is to invade his home , capture and torture the poor man,
> untill he hands over his credstick and code. Then they want to plunder
> his ZO bank account (probably close to 10 million). Can you plunder a
> man's account this way or must he personnaly verify any big transactions,
> can this be done by electronic communications or must he show up at the
> local ZO office for a DNA check.
>
To advoid the problem just take his sticks and fence them. Let the fixer
deal with it. You would want the money laundered anyways, because it
would be very easy to track the transactions in such a straight forward way.

-Andrew
Message no. 3
From: Marc A Renouf <jormung@*****.UMICH.EDU>
Subject: Re: Robbery Question
Date: Thu, 9 Feb 1995 12:50:47 -0500
On Thu, 9 Feb 1995, Jan-bart van Beek wrote: [a robbery scheme...]

Well, for truly large transactions, you would need to be present
for a DNA scan. It's pointless to require DNA verification if you're not
going to take a sample on the spot. So they can torture him all they
want, and all they'll get is his Personal ID number, which will allow
them to transfer 5,000 nuyen. Not even worth the trouble.
Then when the police find out that Mr. J is dead (I'm assuming that
the runners aren't going to leave him alive while they plunder his account),
they'll discover that someone has been drawing off his account *after* his
death. They'll subpeona camera footage from the banks in question, and
discover that the runners are committing fraud. At which time they will
also be implicated in the murder of a respected public or corporate
official. Oooops. You never know. They may not freeze the account, only
tag it such that the next time the players try to draw out their next 5,000
nuyen, it places a discreet call. Meanwhile, bank security has been
notified and Lone Star is on their way.
And above all, the ZO bank will most likely cooperate fully as no
banker likes a fraud.

Marc
Message no. 4
From: Robert Watkins <bob@**.NTU.EDU.AU>
Subject: Re: Robbery Question
Date: Sat, 11 Feb 1995 03:50:51 +0930
>
> The characters in my group want to ruin aspecific mister J.
> Their plan is to invade his home , capture and torture the poor man,
> untill he hands over his credstick and code. Then they want to plunder
> his ZO bank account (probably close to 10 million). Can you plunder a
> man's account this way or must he personnaly verify any big transactions,
> can this be done by electronic communications or must he show up at the
> local ZO office for a DNA check.
>

Nobody actually has an account at ZO... it's a corporate account, and only
the corporations (not the guys who work for them) have accounts there. Why?
Well, when the minimum transaction is about a bazillion nuyen, and you
don't even get interest, why would an individual bank there?

As to the other details (we'll switch it to a different bank... :) ), well,
you could _force_ the guy to do the transaction. For that kind of
transaction, though, I'd say he'd have to turn up for a DNA check (it's
required for large transactions, yes. Check out, well, lots of sourcebooks,
most recently being NAGRL). You could make it a series of smaller
transactions, but he's probably got a daily limit on remote transactions to
stop that kind of thing.

Why do it this way, anyway? It'd probably be easier to hack the bank. I
mean, let's face it, if the guy has 10 million in _liquid_ assests (ie,
cash), he's probably worth closer to about a billion, or at least a couple
of hunder mill. So he's probably got physical security through the roof.
Lives in a corporate enclave, maximum security from the big Star, and other
firms, and alarms all over the place (probably not accessible from the
Matrix, either). At least hacking the bank would be less painful.

Of course, once you get the cash, you have to launder it... fast. :)

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Robert Watkins bob@**.ntu.edu.au
Real Programmers never work 9 to 5. If any real programmers
are around at 9 am, it's because they were up all night.
Message no. 5
From: Robert Watkins <bob@**.NTU.EDU.AU>
Subject: Re: Robbery Question
Date: Sat, 11 Feb 1995 03:54:10 +0930
> To advoid the problem just take his sticks and fence them. Let the fixer
> deal with it. You would want the money laundered anyways, because it
> would be very easy to track the transactions in such a straight forward way.
>

It's rather pointless fencing credsticks, unless the "previous owner"
doesn't, ah, need them, and the body won't be found for a while. Otherwise
they'll be useless by the time someone wants to get the cash out, unless
you do it VERY fast.

The only kind of credstick worth fencing are certified credsticks. Before
anyone asks why you'd fence a certified credstick, it's simple. They _can_
be traced. Check out Corp Shadowfiles for the details.


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Robert Watkins bob@**.ntu.edu.au
Real Programmers never work 9 to 5. If any real programmers
are around at 9 am, it's because they were up all night.
Message no. 6
From: Renegade <a018907t@*********.SEFLIN.LIB.FL.US>
Subject: Re: Robbery Question
Date: Sat, 11 Feb 1995 14:28:13 -0500
One thing that keeps bugging me is the body. You think nobody is
going to miss Mr. CEO of a multinatinal corp? It won't take long before
people think that he is missing and all his assets will be frozen solid.
Besides if the corp finds him missing they'll either a) assume he's dead,
freeze assets or b) assume he ran away to another corp, freeze assets (if
he's going to leave, let him leave broke)


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