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Message no. 1
From: Gurth <gurth@******.NL>
Subject: Rockers (was Re: [OT] Thelonious monster)
Date: Fri, 29 May 1998 11:43:13 +0100
Erik Jameson said on 14:47/28 May 98,...

> Anyway, back to SR, specifically SR1. Did anyone out there actually use
> the "Rocker" archetype? Was it just me or was that the lamest possible PC
> to take on a shadowrun? Sure, it might work for CP2020, but Shadowrun?

I always had (and still have) trouble picturing why they're
actually _there_ on a shadowrun... Shadowbeat doesn't help
there either, because although it gives more background to the
archetype it doesn't explain why they'd go on shadowruns. They
can make just as much money and with much less risk by making
albums, and really don't need the "hands on" type of approach to
making the world a safer place, IMHO.

The best way to play a rocker would, I think, be as one of the
alternative campaigns FASA's been pushing since the Companion
came out -- a few (or all) of the PCs as rockers, a few as
bodyguards, and play out their adventures, which don't really
involve shadowruns.

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Message no. 2
From: Sean Miner <DisnyShamn@***.COM>
Subject: Re: Rockers (was Re: [OT] Thelonious monster)
Date: Fri, 29 May 1998 09:28:10 EDT
In a message dated 5/29/98 6:05:16 AM Eastern Daylight Time, gurth@******.NL
writes:

> I always had (and still have) trouble picturing why they're
> They can make just as much money and with much less risk by
> making albums, and really don't need the "hands on" type of
> approach to making the world a safer place, IMHO.

Unless of course they suck. Or just aren't especially good. I know a number of
starving musicians, you know... Other reasons are, they might be nuts, or need
"the experience" for their music.

Heck, I once made up (though I never got to play) Wild Oscar, an Ork
playwright (specialty: black comedies). Had followers (the avante guard
community) and some cyberware. He wasn't a big combat monster, in case you
couldn't tell.

That said, *I* don't really see the point of them either. Never tempted to
play one, nor has anyone I know been. Then again, maybe it's bcause of the
illustration by the archetype... They could be fun in a less combat-intensive
campaign (like for example the my current "ShadowZone" game).

- Sean
Message no. 3
From: MC23 <mc23@**********.COM>
Subject: Re: Rockers (was Re: [OT] Thelonious monster)
Date: Fri, 29 May 1998 22:37:40 -0400
Once upon a time, Gurth wrote;

>The best way to play a rocker would, I think, be as one of the
>alternative campaigns FASA's been pushing since the Companion
>came out -- a few (or all) of the PCs as rockers, a few as
>bodyguards, and play out their adventures, which don't really
>involve shadowruns.

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Message no. 4
From: Gurth <gurth@******.NL>
Subject: Re: Rockers (was Re: [OT] Thelonious monster)
Date: Sat, 30 May 1998 12:00:19 +0100
Sean Miner said on 9:28/29 May 98,...

[why do musicians run the shadows?]
> Unless of course they suck. Or just aren't especially good.
> I know a number of starving musicians, you know...

Yeah, but that still doesn't really explain why they have night
jobs as shadowrunners instead of working at a McHughs (which is
about as dangerous but you don't need any skills for it :) IMHO
what does work is a shadowrunner who plays in a band as a
hobby, but musicians who run the shadows for a hobby is a bit
weird.

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Message no. 5
From: Disney Shaman <DisnyShamn@***.COM>
Subject: Re: Rockers (was Re: [OT] Thelonious monster)
Date: Sat, 30 May 1998 10:53:18 EDT
First let me say I can;t believe I'm defending even the idea of the rocker
archetype, which I've always thought terribly lame. I must be too much of a
devil's advocate for my own good.

> Yeah, but that still doesn't really explain why they have night
> jobs as shadowrunners instead of working at a McHughs (which is
> about as dangerous but you don't need any skills for it :) IMHO
> what does work is a shadowrunner who plays in a band as a
> hobby, but musicians who run the shadows for a hobby is a bit
> weird.

As opposed to all those other, *normal* shadowrunners?

Most wouldn't be in the big leagues. Not even *real* shadowruns, at least not
at first. More along the lines of Dirk Montgomery... and he gradually gets
brought into the big leagues, as he adds cyber & skills.

Speaking of which, anyone out there run a game starting with low-level proto-
runners who gradually advance to real runners?

- Disney Shaman
Message no. 6
From: Grahamdrew <grahamdrew@***.NET>
Subject: Re: Rockers (was Re: [OT] Thelonious monster)
Date: Sun, 7 Jun 1998 20:26:00 -0400
> Speaking of which, anyone out there run a game starting with low-level proto-
> runners who gradually advance to real runners?

I've GMed a few where they start out as low-level proto-gamer munchies
and eventually evolve into real role players....

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