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Message no. 1
From: Hunter griffinhq@****.com
Subject: Rockets too powerful?
Date: Sat, 22 May 1999 06:10:30 -0400
I was flipping through the main book the other day and I noticed that
the power ratings on the rockets and missiles was 16D. If this is your
standard AV weapon then I'd have to question the price (not to mention
the weight) of them.
As a GM should I treat these as standard munitions or what?

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Message no. 2
From: Cybertroll cybertroll@******.crosswinds.net
Subject: Rockets too powerful?
Date: Sat, 22 May 1999 13:34:56 +0300
Hunter wrote:
>
> I was flipping through the main book the other day and I noticed that
> the power ratings on the rockets and missiles was 16D. If this is your
> standard AV weapon then I'd have to question the price (not to mention
> the weight) of them.
> As a GM should I treat these as standard munitions or what?

Em about the prize all the Rocket Launchers and their rockets have a
street index of 2, while the missiles have SI 3. They are also damn hard
to find (avaliability 12/14days for the rocket launchers and the
missiles and 8/14 days for the rockets), which means that the characters
have to try really hard to find them and they must have a very good
fixer too. Not to mention the fact that u can't hide such a large weapon
at all.
As for the weight, well 8 kgr for the weapon and around 2-3 for each
missile is not light imho.
A piece of advice... Before u say that "WOW this is cheap!" check the
street index and the avaliability... in such military stuff they count
too much. There is now way to buy missile launcher with a license in
some armory shop...

Cybertroll


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Message no. 3
From: Hunter griffinhq@****.com
Subject: Rockets too powerful?
Date: Sat, 22 May 1999 07:48:09 -0400
On Sat, 22 May 1999 13:34:56 +0300 Cybertroll
<cybertroll@******.crosswinds.net> writes:
>Hunter wrote:
>>
>> I was flipping through the main book the other day and I
>noticed that
>> the power ratings on the rockets and missiles was 16D. If this is
>your
>> standard AV weapon then I'd have to question the price (not to
>mention
>> the weight) of them.
>> As a GM should I treat these as standard munitions or what?
>
>Em about the prize all the Rocket Launchers and their rockets have a
>street index of 2, while the missiles have SI 3. They are also damn
>hard
>to find (avaliability 12/14days for the rocket launchers and the
>missiles and 8/14 days for the rockets), which means that the
>characters
>have to try really hard to find them and they must have a very good
>fixer too. Not to mention the fact that u can't hide such a large
>weapon
>at all.
>As for the weight, well 8 kgr for the weapon and around 2-3 for each
>missile is not light imho.
>A piece of advice... Before u say that "WOW this is cheap!" check the
>street index and the avaliability... in such military stuff they
>count
>too much. There is now way to buy missile launcher with a license in
>some armory shop...
>
Unfortunately, it doesn't answer my main question: Is this an AV weapon
or not?

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Message no. 4
From: Cybertroll cybertroll@******.crosswinds.net
Subject: Rockets too powerful?
Date: Sat, 22 May 1999 15:08:04 +0300
Hunter wrote:
> Unfortunately, it doesn't answer my main question: Is this an AV weapon
> or not?
>

It depends on the rocket/missile the character uses ... there are 3
types... Anti Personel, Anti Vehicle and High Explosive... If u use an
AV rocket/missile then u have an AV weapon.

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Message no. 5
From: dghost@****.com dghost@****.com
Subject: Rockets too powerful?
Date: Sat, 22 May 1999 09:38:53 -0500
On Sat, 22 May 1999 07:48:09 -0400 Hunter <griffinhq@****.com> writes:
<SNIP>
> Unfortunately, it doesn't answer my main question: Is this an
>AV weapon or not?

If you don't see anything saying that it -is- AV, then it is not AV.

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Message no. 6
From: Michael Orion Jackson orion@****.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Rockets too powerful?
Date: Sat, 22 May 1999 12:02:30 -0500 (CDT)
On Sat, 22 May 1999, Cybertroll wrote:

>
> Hunter wrote:
> > Unfortunately, it doesn't answer my main question: Is this an AV weapon
> > or not?
> >
>
> It depends on the rocket/missile the character uses ... there are 3
> types... Anti Personel, Anti Vehicle and High Explosive... If u use an
> AV rocket/missile then u have an AV weapon.
>
> Cybertroll
>
This is a question I've had before. The basic missles & rockets in teh
handbook break down as you've described, but the issue is complicated by
the rockets and missles in Fields of Fire. The little anti-tank rockets
(I forget the names, the ones that look like futuristic versions of the
US LAW and the old Soviet RPG-7) are listed as being _not_ armor piercing!
What's up with that! I finally decided that the copy editors at FA$A
must've sucking the crack pipe pretty hard that day and just made a
flat-out house rule that they _were_ armor piercing. (Please, they have
rather obviously shaped charge warheads, how can they not be?). I think
there might have been an even heavier rocket in there they said wasn't
armor piercing. IIRC it looked like the current US Dragon ATGM (yeah, I
know, I called it a rocket, sue me :) Big tuby thing with fins that goes
fast and makes hurty bits and fire at the other end).


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Message no. 7
From: Gurth gurth@******.nl
Subject: Rockets too powerful?
Date: Sat, 22 May 1999 20:10:45 +0200
According to Michael Orion Jackson, at 12:02 on 22 May 99, the word on
the street was...

> This is a question I've had before. The basic missles & rockets in teh
> handbook break down as you've described, but the issue is complicated by
> the rockets and missles in Fields of Fire. The little anti-tank rockets
> (I forget the names, the ones that look like futuristic versions of the
> US LAW and the old Soviet RPG-7)

M-79-something and Arbelast II (which looks more like a B-300/SMAW than
like an RPG-7V, BTW) is what you're looking for. *grabs FoF* M79B1, that's
it.

> are listed as being _not_ armor piercing!

That struck me as decidedly odd, too. OTOH they did give these weapons a
backblast, something they conveniently ignored with some excuse about
development of backblast-less rockets (and for those who feel the need to
point this out to me, I know such things exist today, after a fashion).

> What's up with that! I finally decided that the copy editors at FA$A
> must've sucking the crack pipe pretty hard that day and just made a
> flat-out house rule that they _were_ armor piercing. (Please, they have
> rather obviously shaped charge warheads, how can they not be?).

A little point here: you can't really tell from the outside whether a
warhead is shaped-charge or not. Yes, the Arbelast's round has "HEAT"
written on it, which is a good indicator :) but in general you can make an
educated guess by the shape, but to be certain you need to look inside it.

> I think there might have been an even heavier rocket in there they said
> wasn't armor piercing. IIRC it looked like the current US Dragon ATGM
> (yeah, I know, I called it a rocket, sue me :) Big tuby thing with fins
> that goes fast and makes hurty bits and fire at the other end).

The Great Dragon L-ATGM is what you're referring to here, and it also had
the same weird "non-AV" rule. Hmm... perhaps this is a good thing to point
out to FASAMike for revision in the Cannon Companion?

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