| From: | Da Twink Daddy <twinkie@*******.DMSC.K12.AR.US> |
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| Subject: | Rules question: Barrier spells |
| Date: | Mon, 2 Mar 1998 09:06:25 -0600 |
From: Fade <runefo@***.UIO.NO>
>> >I also assume barriers do not move with the caster.
>>
>> IMO, they do. If you think that a detection spell with area effect moves
>> with the caster, I think it's the same with manip spells. Since it isn't
>> stated anywhere, I think all spell types functions the same way regarding
>> area effect.
>The detection spells in question is the so-called 'hypersense'
>spells, which is a special case. It would be very unwise to assume
>all spells in general work as special case spells.
<snip: x-cellent counterpoint>
I agree, hypersense is a special case, the target is actually the caster,
not the AoE.
>And barrier is, obviously, not a hypersense spell.
Agreed.
>The Barrier spell does not state that it is treated differently
>wether the caster is inside or outside the area of effect, neither
>does it cover any of the numerous questions about what would happen
>if a barrier's movement was blocked.
>Examining the data so far, despite the fact that most said, 'sure, it
>moves with the caster', I have not seen a good reason to change my
>assumption that it does not move.
Agreed, I would have at first said, sure it'll move. But, in the spell
description it doesn't mention any movement capabilities. I mean if It could
move, how fast? Could you use it as a battering ram? Or simply to crush
someone?
>About LOS:
>Reading the book, it only states that concentration is required.
>When more than a few has said LOS is not required, I am inclined to
>agree. That implies sustaining a spell and quickening a spell is two
>very similar processes, incidentally.
Yes, AFAIAC, LOS is not required for sustaining a spell, nor should be.
>About personal barriers:
>The only description of the 'personal' effect I remember reading is
>in the grimoire, in spell design, where it states that if a spell has
>the 'personal' modification, it is considered cast at the caster, and
>thus modifiers for voluntary target, touch or limited range e etc. is
>inappliccable. I have not been able to find - anywhere - something
>that says this changes the way the spell basically works. So I am
>still very curious *where* it says that personal barrier spells are
>'body armor'. I have assumed this for a long time, but then I got a
>bad case of doubt, which made me ask. And while many have said that
>'Mike says it works that way', it appears Mike is going by his own
>rules in a number of questions and isn't entirely official. Also,
>since a 'body armor' version of the barrier spell would be very
>different from the original spell, it should have a little more of a
>description than
>'Personal: F/2+1M Drain.'
Right, in theory, technically if you read the description, barrier doesn't
_have_ a target. So, I would rule that it can't be made personal. I hate to
throw out parts of sourcebooks like that, but I'm sitting here reading the
desc. of barrier and there is absolutely _no_ mention of a target.
If a player wanted to design a spell that worked simialr to the personal
barrier spell. It's just be a "simple" spell that simple took a target
(prob. willing) and created a barrier that surrounded his/her aura and moved
etc. with him.
It does say that the caster can make a "wall" yet, that it can be of any
shape. Being able to _change_ the shape of the spell (after casting) would
require an additional increase in drain. IMO. It does say that it is
cumulative with armor however, I think this is refering to another rule in
the combat section that says that you subtract the rating of any barrier in
front of you _and_ your armor. Specifically mentioned, I believe, becasue it
is considered an exception of "armor" doesn't stack.
If the caster wanted to create a "wall" the conformed to a persons
"shape"
at the time of casting, I would allow that, however, it still wouldn't move,
asnd that person still wouldn't be considered a target, and they would
effectively be held in place. (with a hefty penalty to get out cause the
can't get any leverage or velocity behind thier struggle. (They can't move
at all.)
Yes, this means all those locked/quickened/sustained barriers aren't extra
armor at all times. The caster has just decied to "permanently" imprision
himself.
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