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Message no. 1
From: Alfredo B Alves <dghost@****.COM>
Subject: Same Sex Marriages in 205x (was Re: Sex and the single
Date: Tue, 12 May 1998 20:31:51 -0500
On Tue, 12 May 1998 20:14:44 -0400 Erik Jameson <erikj@****.COM> writes:
>At 07:10 PM 5/12/98 +0000, you wrote:
<SNIP Marriage stuff :) >
>But it does bring up an interesting question.
>
>In our current day and age, for whatever reasons (which I refuse to
discuss
>for the sake of the list), same-sex marriage is not legally sanctioned
by
>the US government; it's not considered to be a legally binding contract,
>like "normal" marriage is. I don't know what the current situation in
Europe >is, but from what little I know homosexuality is at least legally
>accepted (don't know about societal acceptance), but I don't believe
>same-sex marriage is considered to be the same as "normal" marriage.
>
>Would this have changed in 205X? And please specify what nation you are
>referring to, because attitudes on this subject are likely to be colored
by
>national perspectives. Also, please leave your own prejudices at the
>electronic door; I have my own thoughts and well, prejudices, on this
>matter but I'm not going to introduce them to the list or this
discussion.

Thank you :)

>I don't see it happening in the US anytime soon (RL time). With all the
>Chaos of the Awakening, it could easily have been ignored or forgotten
in
>all the other more important matters. I would suspect that it might
have
>become and issue again starting in the late 2040's.

I'm from the US, and I disagree, I think by 205x, same-sex marriages
would become "legal" / official AFIAK/IIRC, they already are in Hawaii...
I suspect that if it didn't happen before then, when North America
splintered some or all of te resultant nations would make it official. I
would guess at the very least the UCAS would, but I'm not sure about the
rest

>SR is a world full of hatred, which is mostly directed at different
>metatypes. Color is no longer as important in the scheme of racism.
>
>But sexual preference is something else entirely and cuts across racial
and
>gender lines. I suspect it would be one of those prejudices that is
still
>around in 205X.

Hmmm... prolly right...

>I would tend to think that Seattle 205X still doesn't have any laws on
the
>books saying that same-sex marriage is legal. It might be an unspoken
thing, >but not legally binding and on the law books.
>
>Hell, there probably are "gay rights" policlubs and even "gay
terrorists."
>Now that has some possibilities for a very different sort of
>shadowrun...I'm not positive all my players would react well to having
>their PCs hired by a gay rights activist for a shadowrun, but the
concept
>is interesting.

heh heh, makes me think of something from a game called Road Warrior
where you (a cabbie) are hired by nudist revolutionaries ... quite
humorous ... I think my group would be taken off guard more than taken
aback if approached by gay rights activists dor a `run. :)

>>Ari and Katie just (last night's game, AAMOF) performed an odd and
>>lengthy ritual to transfer the ghost fetuses into their wombs and get
>>pregnant (Katie was luckily in heat :P ).....

oooo... spooky :)
*ducks*

>Again, I don't really want to know.
>
>>Anyway, any thoughts on how a four-way marriage like that would work?
>
>It wouldn't. A three-way is considered to be a "cool" fantasy for young
>men and an increasing number of women. But I have never heard (either
in
>personal experience or on the radio) of a three-way that didn't end up
>destroying the relationship.
>
>So a four-way marriage has a chance of about one in an American billion.
A
>marriage of two people is hard enough with all the emotions, thoughts,
>jealosies, fights and so on. Multiply that a few times with four people
in
>the relationship.

Hmmm... I actually have known people personally where a three-way worked
out okay, but I didn't asked specifics ... :)

>Might be fun for one night/weekend, but I sure as hell wouldn't want to
>even think about a life time like that.
>
>Erik J.
<SNIP Sig>

D.Ghost
(aka Pixel, Tantrum)

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Message no. 2
From: MC23 <mc23@**********.COM>
Subject: Re: Same Sex Marriages in 205x (was Re: Sex and the single
Date: Wed, 13 May 1998 00:44:20 -0400
Once upon a time, Alfredo B Alves wrote;

>I'm from the US, and I disagree, I think by 205x, same-sex marriages
>would become "legal" / official AFIAK/IIRC, they already are in Hawaii...
>I suspect that if it didn't happen before then, when North America
>splintered some or all of te resultant nations would make it official. I
>would guess at the very least the UCAS would, but I'm not sure about the
>rest

I just can't see for the CAS. This is the Bible Belt here. I still
get hell over having both my ears pierced of all things. At least these
younger kids are getting hip to it.

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van."
-Azreal Abyss, Goth Talk (SNL)

I am MC23
Message no. 3
From: Erik Jameson <erikj@****.COM>
Subject: Re: Same Sex Marriages in 205x (was Re: Sex and the single
Date: Wed, 13 May 1998 13:29:31 -0400
At 12:44 AM 5/13/98 -0400, you wrote:

> I just can't see for the CAS. This is the Bible Belt here. I still
>get hell over having both my ears pierced of all things. At least these
>younger kids are getting hip to it.

Careful there MC23. Too many revelations like that and your cold
machine-like exterior will become just another obvious Hollywood
facade...people might actually start thinking you are a human being or
something...

13.3.W? Like that wasn't obvious Keith. ;-)

Erik J.


"Ladies & Gentleman, the newest member of the band, the one and only Spice
Boy, GRUMPY SPICE!!!" <and the crowd goes wild!!!>
Message no. 4
From: Alfredo B Alves <dghost@****.COM>
Subject: Re: Same Sex Marriages in 205x (was Re: Sex and the single
Date: Wed, 13 May 1998 12:41:56 -0500
On Wed, 13 May 1998 00:44:20 -0400 MC23 <mc23@**********.COM> writes:
>Once upon a time, Alfredo B Alves wrote;
>>I'm from the US, and I disagree, I think by 205x, same-sex marriages
would >>become "legal" / official AFIAK/IIRC, they already are in
Hawaii... I suspect >>that if it didn't happen before then, when North
America splintered some or >>all of te resultant nations would make it
official. I would guess at the >>very least the UCAS would, but I'm not
sure about the rest

> I just can't see for the CAS. This is the Bible Belt here. I still
>get hell over having both my ears pierced of all things. At least these
>younger kids are getting hip to it.
>
<SNIP Sig>
> I am MC23

You have both your ears peirced??? you freak! <j/k> ;);)

YupYup, I agree after giving it more thought I came to the following
conclusions: UCAS would be the only one I am certain would allow em...
California Free Statae I guess would as well but I don't know enough
about it to say fer sure...CAS and Aztlan I would say would be against it
... and Tir as well depending on what Elves consider traditional ... NAN
is really up in the air for me ... ya'd have to ask someone more familiar
with Native American customs/idealogies than me.

On another note...I had Player who wanted to play a wolf shapechanger
beastmaster (from NAGEE, IIRC) having an affair with a wolf familiar...
(BTW, I asked her "Do you want to be Male? or do you want to be Female?"
to which she replied "Yes" [She only heard the last half of my question
but every once in a while I rib her about her hermophridictic character
... :) ])

Ya know, I just realized something ... Beast*master*? This is kinkier
than I thought ... (or would it be BeastMistress?)

D.Ghost
(aka Pixel, Tantrum)
"If this is torture, strap me to the wall!"--uhm, I fergot his name ...
:)

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Message no. 5
From: Ereskanti <Ereskanti@***.COM>
Subject: Re: Same Sex Marriages in 205x (was Re: Sex and the single
Date: Wed, 13 May 1998 18:02:58 EDT
In a message dated 5/13/98 12:35:50 PM US Eastern Standard Time,
erikj@****.COM writes:

> 13.3.W? Like that wasn't obvious Keith. ;-)
>
> Erik J.
>
Obvious, but NOT everything it looked to be....

-K

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