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Message no. 1
From: Kat Freyson <katt@******.NET>
Subject: Sasquatch
Date: Thu, 12 Mar 1998 14:38:34 -0500
Hello,
Just a question, what is the origin of Sasquatch in SR? Are they a
goblinization, or are they a result of that vampire virus thing?


Kat Freyson
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Message no. 2
From: Nexx <nexx@********.NET>
Subject: Re: Sasquatch
Date: Thu, 12 Mar 1998 15:19:04 -0600
> Hello,
> Just a question, what is the origin of Sasquatch in SR? Are they a
> goblinization, or are they a result of that vampire virus thing?

I thought they were either always there, or were one of the "sleeping species"
that for some reason just showed up (like the dragons) Looking at their
classification, they don't have anything I (a history and secondary Ed major)
would recognize as being related to anything normal.

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Message no. 3
From: Lehlan Decker <decker@****.FSU.EDU>
Subject: Re: Sasquatch
Date: Thu, 12 Mar 1998 16:25:59 -0500
On Thu, Mar 12, 1998 at 02:38:34PM -0500, Kat Freyson wrote:
> Hello,
> Just a question, what is the origin of Sasquatch in SR? Are they a
> goblinization, or are they a result of that vampire virus thing?
>
>
Their definently not HMVV (sp?). I don't think its ever been mentioned
that they are some race goblinized. So I'm guessing their a "sentient"
species. I believe their listed in either BBB or PaNA.
I think Bull even has stats on how to play a sasquatch PC.
I sorta liked them, particular after the accounts I've read of them
in various SR novels. :)
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Message no. 4
From: Nexx <nexx@********.NET>
Subject: Re: Sasquatch
Date: Thu, 12 Mar 1998 15:23:23 -0600
> Their definently not HMVV (sp?). I don't think its ever been mentioned
> that they are some race goblinized. So I'm guessing their a "sentient"
> species. I believe their listed in either BBB or PaNA.

Actually, I think the Bandersnatch is a Sasquatch afflicted with the Krieger
strain of the HMVV, since they are more ghoul-like than vampire-like. They
come from the Critters section of SR2

***************
Rev. Mark Hall, Bardagh
aka Pope Nexx Many-Scars
ICQ 8108186
************
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***********
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- Cree Indian Prophecy
***********
Am Moireach Mor!
Message no. 5
From: The Vagabond <nomad74@*******.COM>
Subject: Re: Sasquatch
Date: Thu, 12 Mar 1998 13:34:33 PST
>Hello,
> Just a question, what is the origin of Sasquatch in SR? Are
they a
>goblinization, or are they a result of that vampire virus thing?

I believe, like most sentient awakened beings, their true origin is
still a mystery. But, for the purposes of the Shadowrun world, they are
an awakened being. They are not goblinized, and a Sasquatch with HMHVV
is called a Bandersnatch(yes, as in frumious).



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Message no. 6
From: Ereskanti <Ereskanti@***.COM>
Subject: Re: Sasquatch
Date: Thu, 12 Mar 1998 23:15:26 EST
In a message dated 98-03-12 16:13:31 EST, katt@******.NET writes:

> Hello,
> Just a question, what is the origin of Sasquatch in SR? Are they a
> goblinization, or are they a result of that vampire virus thing?
>
Now that is a question I haven't had pressed into me. A lot of people I know
of that play SR made up the story of "they've always been around, just not as
"viably reproductive" as they have in the years after the awakening.

I don't believe they say in -any- book. Perhaps they are a "metahuman"
variant, and just don't talk about it much???

-K
Message no. 7
From: Nexx <nexx@********.NET>
Subject: Re: Sasquatch
Date: Thu, 12 Mar 1998 22:18:25 -0600
> Now that is a question I haven't had pressed into me. A lot of people I know
> of that play SR made up the story of "they've always been around, just not as
> "viably reproductive" as they have in the years after the awakening.
>
> I don't believe they say in -any- book. Perhaps they are a "metahuman"
> variant, and just don't talk about it much???

They don't (that I know of) but there are a few things that lead to that
conclusion:
1) They were sighted before the Awakening, fairly consistently, too.
2) Their most similar pre-Awakening cousins are the gorilla, which is believed
to be extinct in the Wild at the time of Patterson's guide.
3) No where does it mention people goblinizing into or being born as saquatch.
Since it is mentioned with the ghoul (when they were assumed to be a
goblinization, rather than infected individual), ork, troll, dwarf, and elf, it
would likely be mentioned here if they were meta-human.

***************
Rev. Mark Hall, Bardagh
aka Pope Nexx Many-Scars
ICQ 8108186 , AIM handle Nexx3
************
A beautiful woman is the hell of the soul, the purgatory of the purse, and the
paradise of the eye.........
***********
Only after the last tree has been cut down, Only after the last river has been
poisoned, Only after the last fish has been caught, Only then will you find
that money cannot be eaten.
- Cree Indian Prophecy
***********
Am Moireach Mor!
Message no. 8
From: Ereskanti <Ereskanti@***.COM>
Subject: Re: Sasquatch
Date: Thu, 12 Mar 1998 23:42:20 EST
In a message dated 98-03-12 23:25:56 EST, nexx@********.net writes:

> They don't (that I know of) but there are a few things that lead to
> that
> conclusion:
> 1) They were sighted before the Awakening, fairly consistently, too.

Fairly consistent, but completely un-photographable with any degree of
detail...

> 2) Their most similar pre-Awakening cousins are the gorilla, which is
> believed
> to be extinct in the Wild at the time of Patterson's guide.

Ah, the -Asiatic Gorilla- is extinct, IIRC correctly the animal it "awakened
into". Don't know about the other major groups.

> 3) No where does it mention people goblinizing into or being born as
> saquatch.
> Since it is mentioned with the ghoul (when they were assumed to be a
> goblinization, rather than infected individual), ork, troll, dwarf, and
elf,
> it
> would likely be mentioned here if they were meta-human.
>
Actually, I kind of treat 'em like the Leshy...a group of "near metatypes"
that are out there but are really hard to track down...

-K
Message no. 9
From: Justin Pinnow <vanyel@*******.NET>
Subject: Re: Sasquatch
Date: Thu, 12 Mar 1998 23:48:55 -0500
> From: Nexx <nexx@********.net>
> Date: Thursday, March 12, 1998 11:18 PM

> > Now that is a question I haven't had pressed into me. A lot of people
I know
> > of that play SR made up the story of "they've always been around, just
not as
> > "viably reproductive" as they have in the years after the awakening.

> > I don't believe they say in -any- book. Perhaps they are a
"metahuman"
> > variant, and just don't talk about it much???

> They don't (that I know of) but there are a few things that lead
to that
> conclusion:
> 1) They were sighted before the Awakening, fairly consistently, too.
> 2) Their most similar pre-Awakening cousins are the gorilla, which is
believed
> to be extinct in the Wild at the time of Patterson's guide.
> 3) No where does it mention people goblinizing into or being born as
saquatch.
> Since it is mentioned with the ghoul (when they were assumed to be a
> goblinization, rather than infected individual), ork, troll, dwarf, and
elf, it
> would likely be mentioned here if they were meta-human.

I actually would tend to lean toward the idea that they have always been
around, but rare (just as personal preference). This leads to some
interesting possibilities. For example, what if they were some form of
knowledge keepers or whatever? It would be interesting to see a race of
beings who hands down knowledge from one generation to the next that isn't
an immortal elf or dragon. It would make a Yeti an unknown keeper of
certain historical facts or lost magic, etc.

The only reference to the origin of the Sasquach is in a non-canon
publication. In the original Shadowrun trilogy, Samuel Vernor's sister
changes into a Sasquatch. However, I can't recall if she contracted a
virus or goblinized. Again, it's not canon, so take it for what it's
worth.

Justin
Message no. 10
From: Robert Watkins <robert.watkins@******.COM>
Subject: Re: Sasquatch
Date: Fri, 13 Mar 1998 15:07:19 +1000
Justin Pinnow writes:
>The only reference to the origin of the Sasquach is in a non-canon
>publication. In the original Shadowrun trilogy, Samuel Vernor's sister
>changes into a Sasquatch. However, I can't recall if she contracted a
>virus or goblinized. Again, it's not canon, so take it for what it's
>worth.


Umm... no, she doesn't.

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TRILOGY>














She changes into an Ork, as a result of being experimented on with a drug to
induce goblinization, and then later contracts HMHVV, thus becoming a
Wendigo. Both she and her paramour, Dan, masquarade as Sasquatches, as does
a Wendigo retainer of Lofwyr's.

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Message no. 11
From: Gurth <gurth@******.NL>
Subject: Re: Sasquatch
Date: Fri, 13 Mar 1998 11:26:15 +0100
Kat Freyson said on 14:38/12 Mar 98...

> Just a question, what is the origin of Sasquatch in SR? Are they a
> goblinization, or are they a result of that vampire virus thing?

Goblinization from some unidentified animal, I think. Sasquatches can be
infected by HMHVV-type diseases and turn into bandersnatches, so that
seems to rule out them being the cause of a similar disease in the first
place.

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Message no. 12
From: Drekhead <drekhead@***.NET>
Subject: Re: Sasquatch
Date: Fri, 13 Mar 1998 11:09:53 -0500
On 13 Mar 98 at 11:26, Gurth wrote:

> Kat Freyson said on 14:38/12 Mar 98...
>
> > Just a question, what is the origin of Sasquatch in SR? Are they a
> > goblinization, or are they a result of that vampire virus thing?
>
> Goblinization from some unidentified animal, I think. Sasquatches
> can be infected by HMHVV-type diseases and turn into bandersnatches,
> so that seems to rule out them being the cause of a similar disease
> in the first place.

"Unidentified animal" may not be entirely accurate. They must be some
form of human or metahuman, or they couldn't even be infected by
HMHVV, right?

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Message no. 13
From: Nexx <nexx@********.NET>
Subject: Re: Sasquatch
Date: Fri, 13 Mar 1998 10:15:12 -0600
> "Unidentified animal" may not be entirely accurate. They must be some
> form of human or metahuman, or they couldn't even be infected by
> HMHVV, right?

Not necessarily. For one thing, I think Bandersnatch are infected with a
variant on the Krieger strain, since they bear more in common with Ghouls than
with Vampires. Secondly, cross-species diseases are very common. Take a look
at Hong Kong and the so-called "bird flu" of a couple of months ago. Not
mention that these are essentially magical diseases, so even normal patterns
are off.

***************
Rev. Mark Hall, Bardagh
aka Pope Nexx Many-Scars
ICQ 8108186 , AIM handle Nexx3
************
A beautiful woman is the hell of the soul, the purgatory of the purse, and the
paradise of the eye.........
***********
Only after the last tree has been cut down, Only after the last river has been
poisoned, Only after the last fish has been caught, Only then will you find
that money cannot be eaten.
- Cree Indian Prophecy
***********
Am Moireach Mor!
Message no. 14
From: Dust <rogan@******.ORG>
Subject: SASQUATCH
Date: Fri, 13 Mar 1998 14:42:15 -0800
Uh I've been following all the posts on the sasquatch and I'm surprised no
one decided to pull out the ol' SR2 and just check. The posts were mostly
speculatory but here's what's written 'bout them on pg. 230 of SR2,

"the sasquatch was recognized by the United Nations in 2042 as a sentient
species, despite its lack of a material culture and the inability of
scientists to decipher its language. This decision ended years of
imprisonment and exhibition of sasquatch individuals. Development of the
Perkins-Athapascan sign language has allowed limited communication with
sasquatches. Today, they can be found colonizing forests in Awakened
lands worldwide and serving as sound effects technicians in the
entertainment industry."

Bandersnatches aren't mentioned in SR2 or Predators and Prey. Since I've
never found PAoNA or PAoE I can't say anything about them. However, there
is a Sasquatch contact in Contacts (comes with the GM screen)

The PCs in my campaign once met a colony of Sasquatches in the Sioux
Nation who were being studied my Parazoologists. The encounter was
relatively peaceful. The astrally projecting PC ran into an astrally
projecting Sasquatch and some there was some confusion but it turned out
fine.

Lates,

Dust
Message no. 15
From: Ereskanti <Ereskanti@***.COM>
Subject: Re: Sasquatch
Date: Fri, 13 Mar 1998 21:23:14 EST
In a message dated 98-03-13 11:10:31 EST, drekhead@***.NET writes:

> "Unidentified animal" may not be entirely accurate. They must be some
> form of human or metahuman, or they couldn't even be infected by
> HMHVV, right?
>
That is up to the GM...we've had a "Vampiric Barghest" in the games at one
point, as the "pawn" of another vampire.

NO, it's not Kray...

-K
Message no. 16
From: Wyrmy <elfman@*****.NET>
Subject: Re: Sasquatch
Date: Fri, 13 Mar 1998 20:38:07 -0600
Ereskanti wrote:
>
> In a message dated 98-03-13 11:10:31 EST, drekhead@***.NET writes:
>
> > "Unidentified animal" may not be entirely accurate. They must be some
> > form of human or metahuman, or they couldn't even be infected by
> > HMHVV, right?
> >
> That is up to the GM...we've had a "Vampiric Barghest" in the games at one
> point, as the "pawn" of another vampire.
Also at the `Archive there is a Vampiric dragon in the critter
section.Also in game my albino hell-hound,muffy, get infeced with
hmhvv,I went on a Astral quest with a phenominaly high target
number,burnt off all my karma buying successes and cured muffy.

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Message no. 17
From: Bull <chaos@*****.COM>
Subject: Re: Sasquatch
Date: Fri, 13 Mar 1998 22:05:28 -0500
At 04:25 PM 3/12/98 -0500, Lehlan Decker wrote these timeless words:
>On Thu, Mar 12, 1998 at 02:38:34PM -0500, Kat Freyson wrote:
>> Hello,
>> Just a question, what is the origin of Sasquatch in SR? Are they a
>> goblinization, or are they a result of that vampire virus thing?
>>
>>
>Their definently not HMVV (sp?). I don't think its ever been mentioned
>that they are some race goblinized. So I'm guessing their a "sentient"
>species. I believe their listed in either BBB or PaNA.
>I think Bull even has stats on how to play a sasquatch PC.
>I sorta liked them, particular after the accounts I've read of them
>in various SR novels. :)
>
It's pretty much all been said already, so I'll just add that, yes, I do
have rules for playing a Sasquatch PC on my web page. See the .sig for the
addy :]

Bull
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Message no. 18
From: Gurth <gurth@******.NL>
Subject: Re: Sasquatch
Date: Sat, 14 Mar 1998 12:57:07 +0100
Drekhead said on 11:09/13 Mar 98...

> "Unidentified animal" may not be entirely accurate. They must be some
> form of human or metahuman, or they couldn't even be infected by
> HMHVV, right?

Not necessarily. It could be that HMHVV infects other species as well as
humans, but because its main targets are (meta)humans, that's what's given
it its name.

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Message no. 19
From: Robert Watkins <robert.watkins@******.COM>
Subject: Re: Sasquatch
Date: Mon, 16 Mar 1998 09:23:18 +1000
Drekhead writes:
>> Goblinization from some unidentified animal, I think. Sasquatches
>> can be infected by HMHVV-type diseases and turn into bandersnatches,
>> so that seems to rule out them being the cause of a similar disease
>> in the first place.
>
>"Unidentified animal" may not be entirely accurate. They must be some
>form of human or metahuman, or they couldn't even be infected by
>HMHVV, right?


They don't get infected by HMHVV, they get infected by a HMHVV-like virus.
Sort of like how humans and birds can both get attacked by influenza virii,
but the avian-flu virus won't _normally_ attack humans (though there was a
little scare in Hong Kong a couple of months back...)

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