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Message no. 1
From: Bryan Prince <WALAB@******.HH.VANDERBILT.EDU>
Subject: Scientific/Spiritual PSI's...
Date: Fri, 15 Jul 1994 10:55:34 -0600
Nigel got me to thinking about the "traditions and paths" a PSI diciple
could follow. Bear with me a minute, and let's see if it works...

Spiritual PSI was developed in the Far East as part of the training used
by monks and priests of various Far Eastern religions, most notably the
Shaolin priests and Tibetan Monks. Shrouded in secrecy, the Mysteries, as
they came to be known, were rooted deep in the expansion of the Human
Consciousness. To train and develop the Mysteries, the PSI's formed
secret societies, some of which are still rumored to exist today (2054?).
Those societies believed that the only way to release the consciousness
from the physical, thus tapping the energies of the mind, was to meditate.
Meditation centered the mind, seperating it from the physical body, and
allowing it to channel the latent mental energies unfettered by its release
from the mundane shell which housed its existance. Incense, crystals and
chanting all became ways for the Spiritual PSI's to focus their power.
And later on, they found that they didn't have to totally leave their
physical forms behind to manipulate the energies...

Scientific PSI first originated in Victorian London and spread abroad to
Europe and the Americas. Generally regarded as "parlor tricks" or
"fakery"
it was held to be in low esteem, and not very well documented. Not until
the Soviets [old U.S.S.R., circa 1950's] started to seriously document
the phenomonena, did enough evidence accumulate to show that people
could do incredible things with the "Powers of the Mind". The Soviets,
along with the Eastern Bloc countries, began a selective breeding program
to "purify" the PSI, and to increase the available Power of the PSI.
They also began a doetermined, dogmatic approach to link those energies
to technology. At the time of the program, Stalin determined that there
should be"...a great shield of psychic power for the Rodina to protect
herself and strike at her enemies from...." Thus was the Birth of the
dreaded PSI corps....Their studies linking PSI and technology finally
came to fruition when they discovered the "frequency" by which the
psychic energies travelled. Soon, amplifiers and shielding units began
construction, but they were more often deadly to the PSI's than not.
The engineers continued to refine the design, but then Stalin died
and the program fell into disfavor.
The corps continued their research, but on limited funding and with
few supporters, the research finally stopped in Russia, but was continued
in the Eastern Bloc countries. The American CIA heard rumors, but
discounted them until Alexandry Tokharov defected to the USA. Tokharov
was a theoretical physicist, classicly trained at the Russian Academy
of Sciences. He was also PSI adept, and in fact a member of the secret
PSI corps. After taking 2 years to convince the Americans, Tokharov
finally got the funding he needed to continue the refinement to the
psychic amplifier the Russians had developed.
The original amplifier, much like the first computer, was a monster of
a device filling a whole room. But with advances in technology, especially
after the ECHO MIRAGE incident and the advent of the cyberdeck, the
amplifier has reduced in size.

Well? Comments/Questions Anyone??
Bryan Prince
Message no. 2
From: "Robert A. Hayden" <hayden@******.MANKATO.MSUS.EDU>
Subject: Re: Scientific/Spiritual PSI's...
Date: Fri, 15 Jul 1994 16:15:30 +0100
Brian's sotries about the evolution of the two flavours deleted for brevity.

Good writeup. It makes for an interesting approach. The only thing is
that within the rules, just as with shamans vs. hermetics, there is
little difference. The real difference is role-playing approach.

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Message no. 3
From: Jai Tao <jdfalk@****.CAIS.COM>
Subject: Re: Scientific/Spiritual PSI's...
Date: Sat, 16 Jul 1994 00:36:10 -0400
On Fri, 15 Jul 1994, Bryan Prince wrote:

> Spiritual PSI was developed in the Far East as part of the training used
> by monks and priests of various Far Eastern religions, most notably the
> Shaolin priests and Tibetan Monks. Shrouded in secrecy, the Mysteries, as
> they came to be known, were rooted deep in the expansion of the Human
> Consciousness . . .

> Scientific PSI first originated in Victorian London and spread abroad to
> Europe and the Americas. Generally regarded as "parlor tricks" or
"fakery"
> it was held to be in low esteem, and not very well documented . . .

YES! Yes! Yeeeeeeeeeha! Bryan, this explains _perfectly_ the
half-formed (and, knowing me, half-baked) ideas I'd had running around in
my head about this.
Now, the next question is, do we make the two have seperate
subsystems of the mechanics (like shamanic/hermetic mages), or just
"highly suggest" that they be used as role-playing aids?
I, personally, would like to keep it as more role-play based, but
then I've even been known to choose skills based on what my character
would've learned more than what would be useful in a 'run (novel concept,
dontcha think?)

J.D. Falk <jdfalk@****.com>
(Excuse me if I sound pissed -- my best friend is making a gigantic
mistake and I'm going to have to help her get over him when he dumps her
again. Please don't ask; I just wanted to explain.)
Message no. 4
From: Jai Tao <jdfalk@****.CAIS.COM>
Subject: Re: Scientific/Spiritual PSI's...
Date: Sat, 16 Jul 1994 00:48:32 -0400
On Fri, 15 Jul 1994, Robert A. Hayden wrote:

> Brian's sotries about the evolution of the two flavours deleted for brevity.
>
> Good writeup. It makes for an interesting approach. The only thing is
> that within the rules, just as with shamans vs. hermetics, there is
> little difference. The real difference is role-playing approach.
>
Agreed. And, don't forget that you cannot say "spiritual
psionics use foci and scientific psionics don't." Following the
East/West idea, Tarot cards originated in Europe (I've dabbled in that a
bit as well; too complicated for a write-up, though I might try to stick
in a paragraph someplace); be it accurate to real life or not, our system
would consider Tarot cards a focus-type-thing.
Same with I Ching, Norse Runes, Ouija Boards, crystals, _lots_
more -- I'll see if I can grab a few of the better New Age catalogs and
write one up for Shadowrun in the tested-and-true Shadowlands format.


J.D. Falk <jdfalk@****.com>
(Excuse me if I sound pissed -- my best friend is making a gigantic
mistake and I'm going to have to help her get over him when he dumps her
again. Please don't ask; I just wanted to explain.)
Message no. 5
From: Chris Lubrecht <lubrecht@***.EDU>
Subject: Re: Scientific/Spiritual PSI's...
Date: Sat, 16 Jul 1994 20:35:10 -0400
J.D,
I would think it should be a "have to" choice. It adds flavor to the
game and ect. Also a system could be worked like the shaman/hermetic
system with one getting bonuses for choosing a style that limits
role-playing options(like shamans)

Nigel

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