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Message no. 1
From: zebulingod@*******.net (Zebulin)
Subject: Scott Harrison - Unreadable Messages
Date: Tue, 2 Aug 2005 16:22:34 -0700
Am I the only one who cannot read messages from Scott Harrison? I keep
getting errors about security.

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Message no. 2
From: mattgbond@********.com (Matthew Bond)
Subject: Scott Harrison - Unreadable Messages
Date: Wed, 3 Aug 2005 01:44:22 +0100
Zebulin wrote:
> Am I the only one who cannot read messages from Scott Harrison? I keep
> getting errors about security.

Yeah, I can't read his emails either... I get an error message saying
that the message header contains invalid data

Matt



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Message no. 3
From: maxnoel_fr@*****.fr (Max Noel)
Subject: Scott Harrison - Unreadable Messages
Date: Wed, 3 Aug 2005 02:52:47 +0200
On 3 Aug 2005, at 02:44, Matthew Bond wrote:

> Zebulin wrote:
>
>> Am I the only one who cannot read messages from Scott Harrison? I
>> keep
>> getting errors about security.
>>
>
> Yeah, I can't read his emails either... I get an error message saying
> that the message header contains invalid data
>
> Matt
>

I think those errors are caused by his signing all his messages
with PGP. Zeb is getting errors because he doesn't have Scott's
public key to verify against, and from what I gather in his messages'
headers, Matt uses a mailer that's never (*ever*) heard of security,
let alone digital signatures.

-- Wild_Cat
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Message no. 4
From: Steve.Garrard@********.co.za (Steve Garrard)
Subject: Scott Harrison - Unreadable Messages
Date: Wed, 3 Aug 2005 09:07:14 +0200
Zebulin wrote:
> Am I the only one who cannot read messages from Scott
> Harrison? I keep getting errors about security.

Nope I have the same problem.


Slayer

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Message no. 5
From: gurth@******.nl (Gurth)
Subject: Scott Harrison - Unreadable Messages
Date: Wed, 03 Aug 2005 10:49:05 +0200
According to Steve Garrard, on 3-8-05 09:07 the word on the street was...

> Zebulin wrote:
>
>>Am I the only one who cannot read messages from Scott
>>Harrison? I keep getting errors about security.
>
> Nope I have the same problem.

Well... one thing you all have in common, more or less, is your mailer:

Zebulin: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.6353
Matt: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158
Steve: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510

It could be that it's because Scott's messages are UTF-8-encoded,
instead of plain text; I don't know for sure, but I'm willing to bet
Outlook is not fully UTF-8 compliant.

Thunderbird (as recommended by Max) has no problems with Scott's
messages that I can see, but you may or may not be able to switch to
that (or to another one -- my own all-time favorite is still Pegasus,
but there are only MS-DOS and Windows versions of it).

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Message no. 6
From: Steve.Garrard@********.co.za (Steve Garrard)
Subject: Scott Harrison - Unreadable Messages
Date: Wed, 3 Aug 2005 12:01:26 +0200
Gurth wrote:
> According to Steve Garrard, on 3-8-05 09:07 the word on the
> street was...
>
> > Zebulin wrote:
> >
> >>Am I the only one who cannot read messages from Scott
> Harrison? I keep
> >>getting errors about security.
> >
> > Nope I have the same problem.
>
> Well... one thing you all have in common, more or less, is
> your mailer:
>
> Zebulin: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.6353
> Matt: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158
> Steve: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510
>
> It could be that it's because Scott's messages are
> UTF-8-encoded, instead of plain text; I don't know for sure,
> but I'm willing to bet Outlook is not fully UTF-8 compliant.
>
> Thunderbird (as recommended by Max) has no problems with
> Scott's messages that I can see, but you may or may not be
> able to switch to that (or to another one -- my own all-time
> favorite is still Pegasus, but there are only MS-DOS and
> Windows versions of it).

Switching mailers is not an option for me, though I'd be surprised if
Outlook is not fully compliant, though I cannot deny the common ground. But
see, this was my point a few days ago about platform usage amongst list
members. I can honestly say I don't know anybody outside of this list who
uses anything other than Outlook, and I work in the IT industry. The only
person I can think of is my girlfriend who uses Pegasus at college, though
their IT infrastructure is as old as I am.

Anyway, I just find that interesting. I'm probably gonna regret even
mentioning this again, so disclaimer: the above is a friendly observation of
interest and is not intended to offend anyone, nor to imply superiority of
product or platform :)

I can read his message fine now that he's fixed his digital sig.

Slayer

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Message no. 7
From: weberm@*******.net (Ubiquitous)
Subject: Scott Harrison - Unreadable Messages
Date: Wed, 03 Aug 2005 06:18:38 -0400
At 10:49 AM 8/3/2005 +0200, Gurth wrote:
>According to Steve Garrard, on 3-8-05 09:07 the word on the street was...
>> Zebulin wrote:

>>>Am I the only one who cannot read messages from Scott
>>>Harrison? I keep getting errors about security.
>>
>> Nope I have the same problem.
>
>Well... one thing you all have in common, more or less, is your mailer:
>
>Zebulin: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.6353
>Matt: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158
>Steve: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510
>
>It could be that it's because Scott's messages are UTF-8-encoded,
>instead of plain text; I don't know for sure, but I'm willing to bet
>Outlook is not fully UTF-8 compliant.

I suspect those weird characters in his .sig aren't helping matters.
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Message no. 8
From: maxnoel_fr@*****.fr (Max Noel)
Subject: Scott Harrison - Unreadable Messages
Date: Wed, 3 Aug 2005 12:29:29 +0200
On 3 Aug 2005, at 12:01, Steve Garrard wrote:

> Switching mailers is not an option for me, though I'd be surprised if
> Outlook is not fully compliant, though I cannot deny the common
> ground. But
> see, this was my point a few days ago about platform usage amongst
> list
> members. I can honestly say I don't know anybody outside of this
> list who
> uses anything other than Outlook, and I work in the IT industry.
> The only
> person I can think of is my girlfriend who uses Pegasus at college,
> though
> their IT infrastructure is as old as I am.


Heh. Funnily enough, I don't know anybody who *still* uses
Outlook or Internet Explorer. Took a bit of time, but I find that
people start listening after a couple reformats.

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Message no. 9
From: scott@**********.com (Scott Harrison)
Subject: Scott Harrison - Unreadable Messages
Date: Wed, 3 Aug 2005 12:09:39 -0400
On Aug 3, 2005, at 06:18, Ubiquitous wrote:

> At 10:49 AM 8/3/2005 +0200, Gurth wrote:
>> According to Steve Garrard, on 3-8-05 09:07 the word on the street
>> was...
>>> Zebulin wrote:
>
>>>> Am I the only one who cannot read messages from Scott
>>>> Harrison? I keep getting errors about security.
>>>
>>> Nope I have the same problem.
>>
>> Well... one thing you all have in common, more or less, is your
>> mailer:
>>
>> Zebulin: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.6353
>> Matt: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158
>> Steve: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510
>>
>> It could be that it's because Scott's messages are UTF-8-encoded,
>> instead of plain text; I don't know for sure, but I'm willing to bet
>> Outlook is not fully UTF-8 compliant.
>
> I suspect those weird characters in his .sig aren't helping matters.
>
The UTF-8 encoding should not matter. And yes, those weird characters
in my sig are from Plane 1 of Unicode so I can easily see how Microsoft
products may have a hard time rendering them. However, the fact that
they cannot be displayed is more of a prettiness problem. I believe
the problem was related to the fact that my message was security
signed, and the fact that many mailers interpret the signature as an
attachment.

--
·𐑕𐑒𐑪𐑑
·𐑣𐑺𐑦𐑕𐑩𐑯 Scott
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Message no. 10
From: gurth@******.nl (Gurth)
Subject: Scott Harrison - Unreadable Messages
Date: Wed, 03 Aug 2005 18:43:49 +0200
According to Ubiquitous, on 3-8-05 12:18 the word on the street was...

> I suspect those weird characters in his .sig aren't helping matters.

Uhh... those are probably _why_ his messages are UTF-8 encoded :)

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Message no. 11
From: gurth@******.nl (Gurth)
Subject: Scott Harrison - Unreadable Messages
Date: Wed, 03 Aug 2005 18:57:22 +0200
According to Steve Garrard, on 3-8-05 12:01 the word on the street was...

> I can honestly say I don't know anybody outside of this list who
> uses anything other than Outlook, and I work in the IT industry.

TBH, most people I know also use Outlook, but this is mostly because
they don't know any better, and/or are of the "I've always used this so
why should I change?" school. I guess I'm part of a very tiny minority,
because I can honestly say I've used Outlook for perhaps 5 minutes out
of my entire life, and not even once to actually send or receive e-mail
with :)

> The only
> person I can think of is my girlfriend who uses Pegasus at college, though
> their IT infrastructure is as old as I am.

But at least they've got good mailers :)

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Message no. 12
From: Steve.Garrard@********.co.za (Steve Garrard)
Subject: Scott Harrison - Unreadable Messages
Date: Thu, 4 Aug 2005 10:22:28 +0200
Gurth wrote:
> According to Steve Garrard, on 3-8-05 12:01 the word on the
> street was...
>
> > I can honestly say I don't know anybody outside of this
> list who uses
> > anything other than Outlook, and I work in the IT industry.
>
> TBH, most people I know also use Outlook, but this is mostly
> because they don't know any better, and/or are of the "I've
> always used this so why should I change?" school. I guess I'm
> part of a very tiny minority, because I can honestly say I've
> used Outlook for perhaps 5 minutes out of my entire life, and
> not even once to actually send or receive e-mail with :)

True, I would agree that most people using Outlook fall into this category,
but then most PC users really don't care provided it gives them the basic
functionality they want. This was the core of Netscape's argument against
Microsoft during the IE-bundling issue. If people get IE bundled with
Windows, why would they want to download Netscape when IE gives them what
they need? 90% of the world's computer users are not as discerning as we
are.

>
> > The only
> > person I can think of is my girlfriend who uses Pegasus at college,
> > though their IT infrastructure is as old as I am.
>
> But at least they've got good mailers :)

LOL :) Well I don't know how many times she's told me about their endless
problems with mail, but in all fairness I must concede that at least SOME of
that is probably due to most colleges' lack of skilled IT staff. Over here
at least, all tertiary education institutions seem to attract the IT people
who either a) suck, or b) can't be bothered to get a job in the outside
world. With very few exceptions, all colleges here have mindbogglingly
crappy IT infrastructure.


Slayer

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- Unknown Dragon



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Message no. 13
From: pentaj2@********.edu (John C. Penta)
Subject: Scott Harrison - Unreadable Messages
Date: Thu, 04 Aug 2005 07:04:35 -0400
----- Original Message -----
From: Steve Garrard <Steve.Garrard@********.co.za>
Date: Thursday, August 4, 2005 4:22 am
Subject: RE: Scott Harrison - Unreadable Messages

> LOL :) Well I don't know how many times she's told me about their
> endlessproblems with mail, but in all fairness I must concede that
> at least SOME of
> that is probably due to most colleges' lack of skilled IT staff.
> Over here
> at least, all tertiary education institutions seem to attract the
> IT people
> who either a) suck, or b) can't be bothered to get a job in the
> outsideworld. With very few exceptions, all colleges here have
> mindbogglinglycrappy IT infrastructure.

I assure you, sir. It is universal.

Better, they're all volunteers. Or students.
Message no. 14
From: shadowrn@*****.dumpshock.com ('Shadowrun Discussion')
Subject: Scott Harrison - Unreadable Messages
Date: Thu, 04 Aug 2005 11:16:21 -0500
On 8/3/2005 5:01 AM, Steve Garrard wrote:
> Switching mailers is not an option for me, though I'd be surprised if
> Outlook is not fully compliant,

A Microsoft application fully compliant? That's a mighty assumption to make.

> though I cannot deny the common ground. But
> see, this was my point a few days ago about platform usage amongst list
> members. I can honestly say I don't know anybody outside of this list who
> uses anything other than Outlook, and I work in the IT industry. The only
> person I can think of is my girlfriend who uses Pegasus at college, though
> their IT infrastructure is as old as I am.
>

I know maybe two people who use Outlook, most use Eudora, Thunderbird,
mutt or Netscape of some flavour. Or webmail.

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