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Message no. 1
From: jeremie.bouillon@****.fr (Jeremie Bouillon)
Subject: Securetech armor bug ?
Date: Tue, 04 Jan 2005 04:22:13 +0100
I've just bought the last printing of the SR3 rulebook (my first printing
was falling apart), and I've spotted this strange one...

The Secure Tech line of armored clothing is described as better... better
conceability for itselfs and hardware packed under it.

But it's, each time, cheaper than the non-securetech version. It's a point
over in availability, but with thoses TN that's nothing.

Am I missing something ?


Oh, well since I'm at it... do you remember where I can find the stats for
surveillance gear besides the rulebook ? I was looking for some kind of
pocket camera, and/or the small movable camera thing that SWAT use to look
under the doors; can't remember where I saw these.
Message no. 2
From: gurth@******.nl (Gurth)
Subject: Securetech armor bug ?
Date: Tue, 4 Jan 2005 10:41:04 +0100
According to Jeremie Bouillon, on Tuesday 04 January 2005 04:22 the word on
the street was...

> The Secure Tech line of armored clothing is described as better...
> better conceability for itselfs and hardware packed under it.
>
> But it's, each time, cheaper than the non-securetech version. It's a
> point over in availability, but with thoses TN that's nothing.
>
> Am I missing something ?

It's been this way ever since the "secure clothing" line was first
published, in 1989 in the Street Samurai Catalog. Back then, the main
rulebook had the "armor clothing" type of body armor (Armor Clothing,
Armor Jacket, Armor Vest, etc.) and the SSC then added the Secure line
with better armor and lower cost -- Availability didn't exist yet, so
there was even less reason than now to keep using the armor from the main
rules.

> Oh, well since I'm at it... do you remember where I can find the stats
> for surveillance gear besides the rulebook ? I was looking for some kind
> of pocket camera, and/or the small movable camera thing that SWAT use to
> look under the doors; can't remember where I saw these.

SOTA: 2063, I think.

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Message no. 3
From: carltondavis@*******.net (Carlton Davis)
Subject: Securetech armor bug ?
Date: Tue, 04 Jan 2005 08:14:35 -0600
On Tue, 4 Jan 2005 10:41:04 +0100, Gurth <gurth@******.nl> wrote:

> According to Jeremie Bouillon, on Tuesday 04 January 2005 04:22 the word
> on
> the street was...
>
>> The Secure Tech line of armored clothing is described as better...
>> better conceability for itselfs and hardware packed under it.
>>
>> But it's, each time, cheaper than the non-securetech version. It's a
>> point over in availability, but with thoses TN that's nothing.
>>
>> Am I missing something ?
>
> It's been this way ever since the "secure clothing" line was first
> published, in 1989 in the Street Samurai Catalog. Back then, the main
> rulebook had the "armor clothing" type of body armor (Armor Clothing,
> Armor Jacket, Armor Vest, etc.) and the SSC then added the Secure line
> with better armor and lower cost -- Availability didn't exist yet, so
> there was even less reason than now to keep using the armor from the main
> rules.

I can't quote a book on this for specifics, but I believe that the Secure
Tech line came out for the upper class, which was security conscious but
didn't want to look like the usual street types who wore armor
everywhere. The higher concealability was supposed to make it less likely
that it would be noticed by their friends and associates. In game terms,
this means that street contacts in my game will not treat you with as much
respect if you're wearing Secure Tech armor, since it's usually only worn
by status conscious corp types.
Message no. 4
From: gurth@******.nl (Gurth)
Subject: Securetech armor bug ?
Date: Tue, 4 Jan 2005 19:13:04 +0100
According to Carlton Davis, on Tuesday 04 January 2005 15:14 the word on
the street was...

> I can't quote a book on this for specifics, but I believe that the
> Secure Tech line came out for the upper class, which was security
> conscious but didn't want to look like the usual street types who wore
> armor everywhere.

"Available in a full range of designer colors and styles", as the SSC put
it.

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Gurth@******.nl - Stone Age: http://www.xs4all.nl/~gurth/index.html
Kemen (keemde, h gekeemd): het spelen van computerspelletjes
-> Possibly NAGEE Editor & ShadowRN GridSec * Triangle Virtuoso <-
-> The Plastic Warriors Site: http://plastic.dumpshock.com <-

GC3.12: GAT/! d- s:- !a>? C++(---) UL+ P(+) L++ E W--(++) N o? K w(--)
O V? PS+ PE@ Y PGP- t- 5++ X(+) R+++$ tv+(++) b++@ DI- D+ G+ e h! !r y?
Incubated into the First Church of the Sqooshy Ball, 21-05-1998
Message no. 5
From: ourteam@*******.net (Larry White)
Subject: Securetech armor bug ?
Date: Tue, 4 Jan 2005 15:25:24 -0800
I believe the prices for Securetech Armor were designed to sell more Street
Samurai Catalogs. :)

Standard armored jackets and such are worn typically worn by security guards
who want the punks to know the guards mean business.

Also, the Securetech line can NOT accept modifications such as fire
resistance, etc.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Jeremie Bouillon" <jeremie.bouillon@****.fr>
To: <shadowrn@*****.dumpshock.com>
Sent: Monday, January 03, 2005 7:22 PM
Subject: Securetech armor bug ?


> I've just bought the last printing of the SR3 rulebook (my first printing
> was falling apart), and I've spotted this strange one...
>
> The Secure Tech line of armored clothing is described as better... better
> conceability for itselfs and hardware packed under it.
>
> But it's, each time, cheaper than the non-securetech version. It's a point
> over in availability, but with thoses TN that's nothing.
>
> Am I missing something ?
>
>
> Oh, well since I'm at it... do you remember where I can find the stats for
> surveillance gear besides the rulebook ? I was looking for some kind of
> pocket camera, and/or the small movable camera thing that SWAT use to look
> under the doors; can't remember where I saw these.
Message no. 6
From: geoff@*************.co.uk (Euphonium)
Subject: Securetech armor bug ?
Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2005 17:32:23 -0000
----- Original Message -----
From: "Larry White" <ourteam@*******.net>
To: "Shadowrun Discussion" <shadowrn@*****.dumpshock.com>
Sent: Tuesday, January 04, 2005 11:25 PM
Subject: Re: Securetech armor bug ?


> I believe the prices for Securetech Armor were designed to sell more
Street
> Samurai Catalogs. :)
>
> Standard armored jackets and such are worn typically worn by security
guards
> who want the punks to know the guards mean business.
>
> Also, the Securetech line can NOT accept modifications such as fire
> resistance, etc.

I could be wrong, but I though it said somewhere that SecureTech armour
couldn't be layered with any other armour, because getting the better
concealability meant that the cut was different.

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