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Message no. 1
From: Steve Collins <steve_collins@********.ALEWIFE.KODAK.COM>
Subject: Re: Self-serving solicitati
Date: Fri, 10 Jan 1997 11:15:10 U
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>>Back on form, and on sahdowrn.....
>>Welcome mack Mike....
>>--
>Man, one post nailing a guy for bugging people about asking for
>constructive criticism, and suddenly, I'm the bad guy again. Apparently,
>the list doesn't believe in forgive and forget. Guess I'll just have to
>change your collective mind.
>
>Mike Broadwater


While you're at it I'll take one with a 220 IQ and a personality women =
find irresistable ;)
Message no. 2
From: Steve Collins <steve_collins@********.ALEWIFE.KODAK.COM>
Subject: Re: Self-serving solicitati
Date: Fri, 10 Jan 1997 14:20:34 U
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- MC23, about to reach his final decision -

I personally recomend that you take the Whopper over the Big Mac. It has =
44% more beef ya know. ;)

But seriously if you must leave because of the volume of posts sucks too =
much of your time that's fine. Don't leave just because a few people here =
don't like you or your style. While I actually agreed with very little you =
said in your recent flame wars (congratulations on surviving btw) I think =
the folks who reacted so strongly were the ones making most of the =
mistakes. Many of the things you said which they took so much exception to =
came off to me as tounge in cheek. This may not have been your intention =
but that's irelivant. They instantly projected bad intentions onto you =
because they disagreed with you. The easiest way to avoid a Flame war is =
to assume that anything which can possibly be taken as a joke be taken in =
that manner regardless of the intentions of the sender. Even if it can't =
be taken as a joke unless it is blatently offensive assume the sender was =
just not communicating his thoughts clearly. These steps will allow for a =
discussion to be ended with no hard feelings. Most of the Flame wars i =
have seen since I've been here were started because someone assumed that =
someone else was insulting them or putting them down when it is likely =
that they all they intended was to highlight the differences in playing =
styles. If you enjoy Shadowrun and talking about (and have the time to =
keep up with this list) then don't let some people who make assumptions =
about you scare you away.

Steve C AKA Rasilio
Message no. 3
From: MC23 <mc23@****.NET>
Subject: Re: Self-serving solicitati
Date: Fri, 10 Jan 1997 15:11:25 -0500
Steve Collins wrote,
> - MC23, about to reach his final decision -
>
>I personally recomend that you take the Whopper over the Big Mac. It has
>44% more beef ya know. ;)
Yeah, I don't care for Mickey D's food either except for breakfast
and I'm rarely up in time for that.

>
>But seriously if you must leave because of the volume of posts sucks too
>much of your time that's fine.
If I run out of time I just start killing threads and hope I didn't
miss an interesting topic drift.
>Don't leave just because a few people here don't like you or your style.
Few or Majority, that's what I'm wondering. I've considered
starting a Mickey Mouse rolecall to see who still reads my posts. I get a
feeling I could count them on both hands and possibly with ine to spare.
>While I actually agreed with very little you
>said in your recent flame wars (congratulations on surviving btw) I think
>the folks who reacted so strongly were the ones making most of the
>mistakes. Many of the things you said which they took so much exception to
>came off to me as tounge in cheek. This may not have been your intention
>but that's irelivant.
Definately over the .sig seperators and later in part in the follow
ups to the much suffered through force points debate. Years back I got
involved in a flame war in an APA that came out every two months. That
took over half a year to ever clarify that my initial comment was never
insulting. One of the members took it wrong and got mad, that in turn got
me mad. That was a life lesson. With the use of kill files it is now
possible never straighten up such a mess. <sigh>
>They instantly projected bad intentions onto you
>because they disagreed with you. The easiest way to avoid a Flame war is
>to assume that anything which can possibly be taken as a joke be taken in
>that manner regardless of the intentions of the sender. Even if it can't
>be taken as a joke unless it is blatently offensive assume the sender was
>just not communicating his thoughts clearly. These steps will allow for a
>discussion to be ended with no hard feelings. Most
It seems it ended more in a fast killfile decision. I can't compete
with that.




Ancient cultures believed that names held great power, personal
names more so and they were guarded very closely. To protect themselves,
they answered to another name, because if another discovered their real
name, it could be used against them.
History repeats itself.
Welcome to the Digital Age.
I am MC23
Message no. 4
From: Steve Collins <steve_collins@********.ALEWIFE.KODAK.COM>
Subject: Re: Self-serving solicitati
Date: Fri, 10 Jan 1997 15:33:58 U
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>>> - MC23, about to reach his final decision -
>>
>>I personally recomend that you take the Whopper over the Big Mac. It has
>>44% more beef ya know. ;)
> Yeah, I don't care for Mickey D's food either except for breakfast
>and I'm rarely up in time for that.

Be careful somebody out there might work at The Arches, Lots o College =
students ya know another killfile maybe.:)

>>But seriously if you must leave because of the volume of posts sucks too
>>much of your time that's fine.
> If I run out of time I just start killing threads and hope I didn't
>miss an interesting topic drift.

Speaking of topic drift ain't it amazing how far this one's gotten and =
managed to somehow still fit under the same thread name.

>>Don't leave just because a few people here don't like you or your style.
> Few or Majority, that's what I'm wondering. I've considered
>starting a Mickey Mouse rolecall to see who still reads my posts. I get a
>feeling I could count them on BOTH HANDS and possibly with NINE to spare.

Wow you have 11 hands. :) Actially I think only a few people Killfiled you =
maybe 2 or 3 and there has got to be about 20 regular posters and who =
knows how many lurkers.

> It seems it ended more in a fast killfile decision. I can't compete
>with that.


Sure you can just Reply to everything and change the name on your mailer =
this should sneak past most Killfiles. And besides there are others out =
here like Mike Broadwater (see I'm a newbie and I didn't forget the name) =
and myself who like a good argument for it's own sake, as long as it =
doesn't get personal.
Message no. 5
From: MC23 <mc23@****.NET>
Subject: Re: Self-serving solicitati
Date: Fri, 10 Jan 1997 15:51:12 -0500
Steve Collins wrote,
>Sure you can just Reply to everything and change the name on your mailer
>this should sneak past most Killfiles.

Ah, but you forget I am MC23, and MC23 is a "in-yo-face" kinda guy.
B;>]#





Ancient cultures believed that names held great power, personal
names more so and they were guarded very closely. To protect themselves,
they answered to another name, because if another discovered their real
name, it could be used against them.
History repeats itself.
Welcome to the Digital Age.
I am MC23
Message no. 6
From: MC23 <mc23@****.NET>
Subject: Re: Self-serving solicitati
Date: Fri, 10 Jan 1997 15:55:38 -0500
Steve Collins wrote,
>MC23 wrote,
>>I get a
>>feeling I could count them on BOTH HANDS and possibly with NINE to spare.
>
>Wow you have 11 hands. :) Actially I think only a few people Killfiled you
>maybe 2 or 3 and there has got to be about 20 regular posters and who
>knows how many lurkers.
>
Umm, nine? I meant one. This thread must be getting to me. I'd better
lie down now.

- MC23, now on the floor -
"Let's see one, eleven, DAMN, I did it again. One, TWO. Good that's
better."
Message no. 7
From: Bull <chaos@*****.COM>
Subject: Re: Self-serving solicitati
Date: Fri, 10 Jan 1997 16:49:33 -0500
At 03:33 PM 1/10/97 U, you wrote:

>>>Don't leave just because a few people here don't like you or your style.
>> Few or Majority, that's what I'm wondering. I've considered
>>starting a Mickey Mouse rolecall to see who still reads my posts. I get a
>>feeling I could count them on BOTH HANDS and possibly with NINE to spare.
>
>Wow you have 11 hands. :) Actially I think only a few people Killfiled you
maybe 2 or 3 and there has got to be about 20 regular posters and who knows
how many lurkers.
>
>> It seems it ended more in a fast killfile decision. I can't compete
>>with that.
>
>Sure you can just Reply to everything and change the name on your mailer
this should sneak past most Killfiles. And besides there are others out
here like Mike Broadwater (see I'm a newbie and I didn't forget the name)
and myself who like a good argument for it's own sake, as long as it
doesn't get personal.
>
If it makes ya feel any better, MC, I still read your stuff (Sometimes...
There's a lot of threads that only get a cursory scan by me before getting
deleted...). Personally, i don't killfile people (mostly because until
recently, i didn't have a mailer capable of it:)), even though I may find
them annoying... I know that I've gotten killfiled a few times around here
(There might be one or two of the lurkers who have killfiled me because I
tend to post oddball stuff, and a few guys on S-Tk and Plot-D who have done
the same to me and a bunch of others:))

Anyways, I prefer not to get involved in arguments around here, cause they
inevitably lead to flame wars, and annoyed people... I prefer to stick
with friendly posts like Tickle Me Dunkies, and Woodchucks...:):):) I'll
leave the Grounding through Fab Phys-ads who think tehre better tha sammies
(on the next Oprah!) to all you "serious" posters... Rules tend to give me
a headache...:)

Good luck, MC, and just remember that occasionally, when you're trying to
convey sarcasm or humor, smilies work wonders. I think some of what you've
said early on was meant with humor, and it got mis-conveyed. the problem
is tehre's a few people who come on the list, and take things too
seriously, and since they don't joke, they don't know anyone else is
without some smileys...:(

Oh well... Enough babbling out of me...

Bull
--
<.sig seperator now included at no extra cost, because I can>
=======================================================
= Bull, aka Chaos, aka Rak, aka Steven Ratkovich =
= chaos@*****,com =
= "Order is Illusion! Chaos is Bliss! Got any fours?" =
=======================================================

"What the heck happened to my superheroes???"
-Me, after seeing the new Marvel Comics revamps of
Capt. America and the Hulk.
Message no. 8
From: Gurth <gurth@******.NL>
Subject: Re: Self-serving solicitati
Date: Sat, 11 Jan 1997 12:07:58 +0100
Bull said on 16:49/10 Jan 97...

> (There might be one or two of the lurkers who have killfiled me because I
> tend to post oddball stuff, and a few guys on S-Tk and Plot-D who have done
> the same to me and a bunch of others:))

Let's not forget the time you just came aboard, Bull... That was an
all-time-high in non-SR-relevant posts :)

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Message no. 9
From: Spike <u5a77@*****.CS.KEELE.AC.UK>
Subject: Re: Self-serving solicitati
Date: Sat, 11 Jan 1997 12:08:29 +0000
|
|Steve Collins wrote,
|>Sure you can just Reply to everything and change the name on your mailer
|>this should sneak past most Killfiles.
|
| Ah, but you forget I am MC23, and MC23 is a "in-yo-face" kinda guy.
|B;>]#
|

SO, the question is.... Would EmCeeTwentyThree work any better?


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Message no. 10
From: MC23 <mc23@****.NET>
Subject: Re: Self-serving solicitati
Date: Sat, 11 Jan 1997 10:41:57 -0500
Spike queried,
>SO, the question is.... Would EmCeeTwentyThree work any better?
>
Ack! That would take forever to write even with my advanced hunt&peck
method of typing.

hmmm, A penname of a penname, this is that bizarre sense of appeal to it
though since there is that bizarre tie to it's origins. B>]#

- MC23 -

"This is what KLF is about.
Also known as the Justified Ancients of Mu Mu.
Furthermore known as the Jams"
KLF- Last Train to Trancentral
Message no. 11
From: Bull <chaos@*****.COM>
Subject: Re: Self-serving solicitati
Date: Sat, 11 Jan 1997 17:50:04 -0500
At 12:07 PM 1/11/97 +0100, you wrote:
>Bull said on 16:49/10 Jan 97...
>
>> (There might be one or two of the lurkers who have killfiled me because I
>> tend to post oddball stuff, and a few guys on S-Tk and Plot-D who have done
>> the same to me and a bunch of others:))
>
>Let's not forget the time you just came aboard, Bull... That was an
>all-time-high in non-SR-relevant posts :)
>
<Han Solo Voice>

That Wasn't My Fault!!!!

</Han Solo Voice>

<BEG>

Bull
--
<.sig seperator now included at no extra cost, because I can>
=======================================================
= Bull, aka Chaos, aka Rak, aka Steven Ratkovich =
= chaos@*****,com =
= "Order is Illusion! Chaos is Bliss! Got any fours?" =
=======================================================

"What the heck happened to my superheroes???"
-Me, after seeing the new Marvel Comics revamps of
Capt. America and the Hulk.

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