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Message no. 1
From: shadowrn@*********.com (Valeu John EMFA)
Subject: [semi on topic] Random thoughts about NYC
Date: Tue Sep 11 20:55:01 2001
[Written September 11, 2001 At 1035 local time (1235 Pacific Standard
Time)]
[Sent September , 2001 At XXXX local time (XXXX Pacific Standard Time)]
>Sorry this is a little late, but due to understandable reasons, we were
unable to send out email when... it happened. But, I was able to receive
information on the list throughout the ordeal.
So here's my thoughts on the whole thing. I constantly added to this until I
was able to send, so it's pretty jumbled and at random. Each thought is
seperated by a double return. I would like some feedback on this. Please.<

What?
How?
Why?
Who?


I can't believe this, I was in line for breakfast, and we're on our way back
to homeport full of tigers (civilian family members)....
Threat-con Delta...In our own backyard.
Last time we had a Threat-con was Alpha on the eve of 2000.
(thanks Derek for the explanation of the Threat-con)


About that Nostradamus prediction...
He also said that in the year 2001, a ship named after the stars will be
lost at sea.
You guys are still hearing from me, so I don't think that one came true.


One thing in my mind, in the wake of all this, is that one part in Bug City.
I'm still in shock and worry as I write this, but just writing in my journal
I thought of that section in the sourcebook.
Some major event happens and the way the characters all react to it. Kinda
like the way the list was doing.
Kinda funny in a way...
Maybe I'm in denial right now and just trying to make jokes to deal with
it....


I don't like where this is heading. Some times being in the military is not
good.
I don't think I'll be running SR for a while.


Maybe now, everyone (PC both on and off list) will now think about the
repercussion of the actions they perform. Think about this.
The aftermath: 10,000+ dead, one less major landmark in the world, and now
(as far as I can guess) a country at war.


Half the middle east is celebrating, and the other half is saying "We didn't
do it!".


Hopefully, now instead of just making threats and "non-aggressive" tactics,
we just kill the fuckers responsible. Support or not, sometimes you just
have to do it.


My friend and I had a discussion. If our country is in a state of war,
there won't be another attack on US soil. It would be impossible. We have
the gangs in the major cities, the various Mafias, the right-wing militias,
the South. All these people are armed and willing to defend America. Then
you also have the military.


My thought on the forth plane is that the pilot downed it himself to prevent
another target from being damaged.


I also watched the Columbine event from begining to end (before the
shooting, before SWAT, before the bodies, before they knew what was going
on). I feel the same way as I did then. Shock. The "How the fuck could
this happen?" feeling.


Maybe I've grown synical in my old age (I just turned 21 Monday), but I have
to aggree with Mr. Carlin.

EMFA John Valeu
U.S. Navy
"There is no time for healing. There is only a breather till the next
crisis."
--George Carlin
Message no. 2
From: shadowrn@*********.com (Derek Hyde)
Subject: [semi on topic] Random thoughts about NYC
Date: Tue Sep 11 21:05:01 2001
Not a problem with the descriptions....just wish that we didn't have to come
up with guard all night and my plans for my birthday hadn't been
destroyed.....was planning a romantic evening with my fiancee (guess that
shoots that plan....and those're rare ones anyway...damn the bad luck) not
to sound heartless about the people that died but most often unless you know
someone or have a friend that knows someone it really doesn't set in until
it in one way or another works its way around to effecting you directly. My
condolences go out to those who lost loved ones in the tradgedies today but
at the same time I wish luck to all military members because we all know in
the back of our minds right now whether or not we'll admit it but we're
going to war and we're all just as likely to not make it back so if I am
unfortunate enough to have my unit deploy in a seek and destroy type mission
against these terrorist pussies I want to formally thank all of you for your
support and help to all the gamers out there and also those of us who are
military.

Derek M. Hyde
U.S. Army
Fort Riley, Kansas
UNITED STATES OF AMERICA
Message no. 3
From: shadowrn@*********.com (J. Keith Henry)
Subject: [semi on topic] Random thoughts about NYC
Date: Tue Sep 11 21:30:01 2001
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Valeu John EMFA" <ValeuJ@*************.navy.mil>
Subject: [semi on topic] Random thoughts about NYC


> >Sorry this is a little late, but due to understandable reasons, we were
> unable to send out email when... it happened. But, I was able to receive
> information on the list throughout the ordeal.

In some odd way, it is a good sign of "community", even if it is a bit of a
strange one.

> So here's my thoughts on the whole thing. I constantly added to this until
I
> was able to send, so it's pretty jumbled and at random. Each thought is
> seperated by a double return. I would like some feedback on this.
Please.<

I'll do what I can to ablidge Mr. Valeu

> What?
> How?
> Why?
> Who?
>
> I can't believe this, I was in line for breakfast, and we're on our way
back
> to homeport full of tigers (civilian family members)....

Nice term. ;-)

> Threat-con Delta...In our own backyard.
> Last time we had a Threat-con was Alpha on the eve of 2000.
> (thanks Derek for the explanation of the Threat-con)

Yeah, what a discovery of knowledge.

> About that Nostradamus prediction...
> He also said that in the year 2001, a ship named after the stars will be
> lost at sea.
> You guys are still hearing from me, so I don't think that one came true.

There is more than one ship, and the year is not over. Oh how I wish it
was. I hope your personal "ship named after the stars" will continue to
shine (and yes, I noted the address).

> One thing in my mind, in the wake of all this, is that one part in Bug
City.
> I'm still in shock and worry as I write this, but just writing in my
journal
> I thought of that section in the sourcebook.
> Some major event happens and the way the characters all react to it.
Kinda
> like the way the list was doing.
> Kinda funny in a way...
> Maybe I'm in denial right now and just trying to make jokes to deal with
> it....

It is a near-common response to shock/denial in humanity. It is interesting
as I mentioned before that it took a piece of fiction from the SR universe
to even begin to let me personally accept something of this particular
magnitude.

> I don't like where this is heading. Some times being in the military is
not
> good.
> I don't think I'll be running SR for a while.

Keep running it if you can, just remember where the power of determination
(good or otherwise) can originate from. Apply it liberally and with
compassion where possible. With conviction regardless.

> Maybe now, everyone (PC both on and off list) will now think about the
> repercussion of the actions they perform. Think about this.
> The aftermath: 10,000+ dead, one less major landmark in the world, and
now
> (as far as I can guess) a country at war.

Its always been an amazing thing to consider in a fictional element. We
have ("we" being a lucid term) often made conjecture about the responses
generated by the actions of player-characters. In our games last Sunday, an
event transpired that has led quite literally the players to suddenly
"faction" and splinter decidedly. It was almost unbelievable were I to not
have watched what I have today.

> Half the middle east is celebrating, and the other half is saying "We
didn't
> do it!".

And even those that are celebrating are now being declared pariah by those
that proclaim their innocence. I noticed those statements on other places.
I think the role of the Internet has been set more in stone than ever
before, even in light of these actions.

> Hopefully, now instead of just making threats and "non-aggressive"
tactics,
> we just kill the fuckers responsible. Support or not, sometimes you just
> have to do it.

Death is a weapon and a tool as it has always been. Nature uses it to keep
a balance. Mankind has used it for much the same reason(s) over the
recordable history. I personally believe it will and should be time to
simply erase certain aspects of the global "community". I normally do not
condone or believe in mass mortem responses, but not after today. Today I
pray that mercy will become as blind to those responsible.

> My friend and I had a discussion. If our country is in a state of war,
> there won't be another attack on US soil. It would be impossible. We
have
> the gangs in the major cities, the various Mafias, the right-wing
militias,
> the South. All these people are armed and willing to defend America.
Then
> you also have the military.

It would be an incredibly hope that this consideration would be realistic.
If anything, I'm more afraid that it may embolden others. It also seems
almost like the one thing to make me consider the "cyberpunkish elements of
fiction" in a different, more morose and morbid light if you will. No place
is safe.

> My thought on the forth plane is that the pilot downed it himself to
prevent
> another target from being damaged.

I have heard that belief, both in conjecture and prayer today. So many
people want to believe that there were heroes today both on the ground and
in the sky. My neighbors I have spoken with today/tonight agree and hope
that the fourth plane was downed due to someone standing up to the hijacking
that was happening at the time above Ohio and Pennsylvania.

> I also watched the Columbine event from begining to end (before the
> shooting, before SWAT, before the bodies, before they knew what was going
> on). I feel the same way as I did then. Shock. The "How the fuck could
> this happen?" feeling.

I recall the comments made by several people on this list and upon other,
far larger, online communities back when Columbine occurred. I think now
that far more people will be able to put into personal perspective the sense
of dismay and denial than ever before in the States at least.

> Maybe I've grown synical in my old age (I just turned 21 Monday), but I
have
> to aggree with Mr. Carlin.

Amazing how it takes a comedian to recognize and publicize a philosophical
truth, isn't it?

> EMFA John Valeu
> U.S. Navy

Be safe.

> "There is no time for healing. There is only a breather till the next
> crisis."
> --George Carlin

-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
J. Keith Henry ("K" "NeoJudas")
Hoosier Hacker House (http://hoosierhackerhouse.com/)
Message no. 4
From: shadowrn@*********.com (Bira)
Subject: [semi on topic] Random thoughts about NYC
Date: Tue Sep 11 22:00:01 2001
On Tue, 11 Sep 2001 20:29:03 -0500
"J. Keith Henry" <neojudas@******************.com> wrote:

>
> Death is a weapon and a tool as it has always been. Nature uses it to keep
> a balance. Mankind has used it for much the same reason(s) over the
> recordable history. I personally believe it will and should be time to
> simply erase certain aspects of the global "community". I normally do not
> condone or believe in mass mortem responses, but not after today. Today I
> pray that mercy will become as blind to those responsible.

I only hope the US doesn't resort to retaliatory strikes against other countries
in order to get compensation. IMHO, finding those responsible through competent
investigation and punishing them (with execution or other equally extreme means) through
official (UN, etc.) channels is a much better solution than military action. Though a war
may alleviate the immediate indignation and outrage that arose from this attack, it will
only make matters worse later on, and cause the loss of more innocent lives.

I'm fairly sure the American government has the power do perform such an
investigation, and that many of the other nations that also expressed shock and outrage
against this atrocity would be wiling to help.

--
Bira -- SysOp da Shadowland.BR
http://www.shadowland.com.br
Redator de Shadowrun da RPG em Revista
http://www.rpgemrevista.f2s.com
Message no. 5
From: shadowrn@*********.com (Iridios)
Subject: [semi on topic] Random thoughts about NYC
Date: Tue Sep 11 22:15:01 2001
Bira wrote:
>
> I only hope the US doesn't resort to retaliatory strikes against other
countries in order to >get compensation. IMHO, finding those responsible through
competent investigation and punishing them >(with execution or other equally extreme
means) through official (UN, etc.) channels is a much better >solution than military
action. Though a war may alleviate the immediate indignation and outrage that >arose
from this attack, it will only make matters worse later on, and cause the loss of more
innocent >lives.

George Bush said the following during tonights statement:

"We have a full resolution to find those responsible for this evil act
and bring them to justice. We will make no distinction between
terrorists who committed these acts and those who harbor them."

This means that we will give the nation, in which the ones responsible
are residing, a chance to turn them over or let us go in and get them.
But we will not be deterred if said nation stands in our way.

The attack was against America and Americans. As Americans we will deal
with it. Without UN intervention.



>
> I'm fairly sure the American government has the power do perform such an
investigation, and >that many of the other nations that also expressed shock and
outrage against this atrocity would be >wiling to help.

Afghanistan (current home of Osama Bin Laden) has blocked our efforts at
investigation in the past. Hopefully they will realize that this is not
the time to stand in our way.

--
Iridios
Message no. 6
From: shadowrn@*********.com (Bira)
Subject: [semi on topic] Random thoughts about NYC
Date: Tue Sep 11 23:40:01 2001
On Tue, 11 Sep 2001 22:08:04 -0400
Iridios <iridios@********.net> wrote:

> > I'm fairly sure the American government has the power do perform such an
investigation, and >that many of the other nations that also expressed shock and
outrage against this atrocity would be >wiling to help.
>
> Afghanistan (current home of Osama Bin Laden) has blocked our efforts at
> investigation in the past. Hopefully they will realize that this is not
> the time to stand in our way.

I read on the CNN website that the government of Afghanistan had issued some
official statements denouncing the attack and offering condolences. They might be a bit
more willing to help. I'm only hoping things don't escalate, it's all bad enough as it is
now. I pray that the people in charge of these investigations don't let anger cloud their
judgement, righteous as it may be. Starting agressions now might be just what the people
behind the attack expected.

--
Bira -- SysOp da Shadowland.BR
http://www.shadowland.com.br
Redator de Shadowrun da RPG em Revista
http://www.rpgemrevista.f2s.com

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