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Message no. 1
From: shadowrn@*********.com (Martin Little)
Subject: Semi-OT: Earthdawn books
Date: Fri Aug 3 09:20:02 2001
I noticed as part of the YoTC discussion that Fasa had released the
earthdawn Dragons book as a pdf. Are there any other relavant earthdawn
books that were released like this?

As well is it worthwhile to pick up a set of earthdawn rulebooks to apply
it's magic rules and items?
Message no. 2
From: shadowrn@*********.com (Derek Hyde)
Subject: Semi-OT: Earthdawn books
Date: Fri Aug 3 09:35:02 2001
>I noticed as part of the YoTC discussion that Fasa had released the
>earthdawn Dragons book as a pdf. Are there any other relavant earthdawn
>books that were released like this?

>As well is it worthwhile to pick up a set of earthdawn rulebooks to apply
>it's magic rules and item

umm...where can I find that PDF or any others that may be out and about?
Message no. 3
From: shadowrn@*********.com (shadowrn@*********.com)
Subject: Semi-OT: Earthdawn books
Date: Fri Aug 3 09:40:03 2001
On Fri, 3 Aug 2001, Derek Hyde wrote:

> >I noticed as part of the YoTC discussion that Fasa had released the
> >earthdawn Dragons book as a pdf. Are there any other relavant earthdawn
> >books that were released like this?
>
> >As well is it worthwhile to pick up a set of earthdawn rulebooks to apply
> >it's magic rules and item
>
> umm...where can I find that PDF or any others that may be out and about?

it was on the FASA site under earthdawn, but if you do a search from
google on EDDragons.pdf you should find it. if you dont, email me
privatly, and I'll send you a copy.

John
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Message no. 4
From: shadowrn@*********.com (shadowrn@*********.com)
Subject: Semi-OT: Earthdawn books
Date: Fri Aug 3 09:55:03 2001
On Fri, 3 Aug 2001, Martin Little wrote:

>
> I noticed as part of the YoTC discussion that Fasa had released the
> earthdawn Dragons book as a pdf. Are there any other relavant earthdawn
> books that were released like this?
>
> As well is it worthwhile to pick up a set of earthdawn rulebooks to apply
> it's magic rules and items?
>

I only have the original earthdawn book, but thats been helpfull in plot
ideas (my campaign is heavily earthdawn influenced/horror tinged), and
filling out backstory, and I'm considering getting the Earthdawn companion
after all the hints that have been dropped about the lightbringers, i
think it was (horror fighting types), and using those in the campaign (yes
we have a high power campaign - horrors, drakes and lightbringers! or at
least, thats my plan. they're still slogging through harlequin ATM)

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-Do you think you can really scare me with your puny little....hum....
you've got another weapon....- Ikarus7
Message no. 5
From: shadowrn@*********.com (Gurth)
Subject: Semi-OT: Earthdawn books
Date: Fri Aug 3 13:00:02 2001
According to Martin Little, on Fri, 03 Aug 2001 the word on the street was...

> I noticed as part of the YoTC discussion that Fasa had released the
> earthdawn Dragons book as a pdf. Are there any other relavant earthdawn
> books that were released like this?

Not AFAIK. The Dragons book was almost finished when FASA stopped the ED
line, and as I recall they at first tried to use it as a kind of extra
incentive for another game publisher to pick up the line: buy the rights to
the game and get a sourcebook ready for publication free! Didn't work, so
they PDFed it and put it on their web site.

> As well is it worthwhile to pick up a set of earthdawn rulebooks to apply
> it's magic rules and items?

For the most part, not really. Earthdawn magic is far (FAR) ahead of
Shadowrun's, which makes it difficult to apply (m)any of its concepts to an
SR game without totally changing the power levels of the game. You could
use it more as a plot device, but in that case you could just as well make
it all up yourself. OTOH, if you want to run an EI (Elven Illuminati) or
Horrors campaign then some ED sourcebooks might well come in handy.

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Message no. 6
From: shadowrn@*********.com (Tommy Lindner)
Subject: Semi-OT: Earthdawn books
Date: Fri Aug 3 13:45:03 2001
Gurth schrieb:
> For the most part, not really. Earthdawn magic is far (FAR) ahead of
> Shadowrun's, which makes it difficult to apply (m)any of its concepts > to an SR
game without totally changing the power levels of the game.

In my opinion the ED magical theory is really worth reading. It
describes the workings of magic and can be easily transferred to SR. But
it is plain theory: How does a magical world function, what are its
specialities (e.g. why had Dunkelzahn to be killed on physical AND
astral plane can be solved through ED rules) but it has definitely no
game use, only background. So if you know somebody owning the main
rulebook, the companion and/or the magic book I would suggest reading
the parts on magical theory but not buy it unless you want to play some
day.

Tommy
Message no. 7
From: shadowrn@*********.com (Lars Wagner Hansen)
Subject: Semi-OT: Earthdawn books
Date: Sat Aug 4 11:50:36 2001
From: "Derek Hyde" <dhyde@*********.net>
> >I noticed as part of the YoTC discussion that Fasa had released the
> >earthdawn Dragons book as a pdf. Are there any other relavant earthdawn
> >books that were released like this?
>
> >As well is it worthwhile to pick up a set of earthdawn rulebooks to apply
> >it's magic rules and item
>
> umm...where can I find that PDF or any others that may be out and about?

Here http://www.fasa.com/earthdawn/Dragondownload.html

Lars
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Message no. 8
From: shadowrn@*********.com (Sebastian Wiers)
Subject: Semi-OT: Earthdawn books
Date: Mon Aug 6 11:40:21 2001
>I noticed as part of the YoTC discussion that Fasa had released the
>earthdawn Dragons book as a pdf. Are there any other relavant earthdawn
>books that were released like this?

No, Dragons was released in PDF because it seemed that it would never reach
print; it was nearing completion just as FASA decided to drop ED. The
version they released is a preliminary layout, without illustrations or
final proofreading.

>As well is it worthwhile to pick up a set of earthdawn rulebooks to apply
>it's magic rules and items?

Not really. SR and ED use very different sytems, and theres no good
rational in the SR setting for using some cross between the two. Each works
well for the game sytem its used in, and neither was concieved with the
other in mind. The timeline links between the games were added well after
each was already fully concieved.

-Mongoose
Message no. 9
From: shadowrn@*********.com (Hekate Trismegista)
Subject: Semi-OT: Earthdawn books
Date: Mon Aug 6 17:55:03 2001
Sebastian Wiers wrote:
>
> Not really. SR and ED use very different sytems, and theres no good
> rational in the SR setting for using some cross between the two. Each works
> well for the game sytem its used in, and neither was concieved with the
> other in mind. The timeline links between the games were added well after
> each was already fully concieved.

When you say, "fully conceived," what do you mean?

Do you mean when the game concept was hammered out?

Do you mean when the game was actually written?

Do you mean after the game was fully developed?

Do you mean after the game was actually on shelves?
Message no. 10
From: shadowrn@*********.com (Gurth)
Subject: Semi-OT: Earthdawn books
Date: Tue Aug 7 06:05:16 2001
According to Hekate Trismegista, on Tue, 07 Aug 2001 the word on the street was...

> When you say, "fully conceived," what do you mean?

The way I remember Mike Mulvihill putting it, was that the links were only
put in when ED was almost completely finished. I'm still not sure if I
actually believe what he said :)

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Message no. 11
From: shadowrn@*********.com (Hekate Trismegista)
Subject: Semi-OT: Earthdawn books
Date: Tue Aug 7 06:45:01 2001
Gurth wrote:
>
> According to Hekate Trismegista, on Tue, 07 Aug 2001 the word on the street was...
>
> > When you say, "fully conceived," what do you mean?
>
> The way I remember Mike Mulvihill putting it, was that the links were only
> put in when ED was almost completely finished. I'm still not sure if I
> actually believe what he said :)

I read that in an interview on Bull's site, I think. I'm not sure I
actually believe it, either. :) It's not a big deal, of course. I'm just
one of those gamers who likes having two games set 12,000 years apart.
It gives me an excuse to mine ED books for weird runs in SR. I do think
it was a mistake to start Horrors up in SRun. After the insect spirits
and the toxics, magical threats were sufficient in SR. :)
Message no. 12
From: shadowrn@*********.com (Gurth)
Subject: Semi-OT: Earthdawn books
Date: Tue Aug 7 13:35:04 2001
According to Hekate Trismegista, on Tue, 07 Aug 2001 the word on the
street was...

> I read that in an interview on Bull's site, I think.

I heard him say it at a GenCon seminar, and it struck me as ... odd :)

> I do think it was a mistake to start Horrors up in SRun. After the
> insect spirits and the toxics, magical threats were sufficient in SR. :)

I think the best way to do Horrors in SR, if FASA really would have wanted
them in the game, would have been to do a kind of SR spin-off in what I'll,
for want of a better term, call an alternate universe. Comic-book-like, in
a way, but it would be one of the few ways in which they could do a Horrors
in SR setting without having to destroy the existing world to do it.

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