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Message no. 1
From: shadowrn@*********.com (Mister Incognito)
Subject: ShadowBeat Question
Date: Wed Jun 20 07:35:01 2001
A while back someone on the list posted a quote from ShadowBeat on a thread
about the trid in shadowrun, it was an advertising blurb for a 2050's trid
show called the Odd Coven. Was something about the mage throwing out the
shamans supplies as rubbish. Can someone either repost the quote or tell me
the thread. Thanks.
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Message no. 2
From: shadowrn@*********.com (Gurth)
Subject: ShadowBeat Question
Date: Wed Jun 20 13:15:01 2001
According to Mister Incognito, on Wed, 20 Jun 2001 the word on the street was...

> A while back someone on the list posted a quote from ShadowBeat on a thread
> about the trid in shadowrun, it was an advertising blurb for a 2050's trid
> show called the Odd Coven. Was something about the mage throwing out the
> shamans supplies as rubbish. Can someone either repost the quote or tell me
> the thread. Thanks.

"[5] The Odd Coven (R). Felix takes out the trash, only to discover it was
Oscar's medicine lodge. The sloppy shaman plots revenge on his hermetic
roommate. Hilarity ensues." (Shadowbeat, p. 36.)

This is on Thursday, 7 March 2052 at 19:00 hours, according to Shadowbeat.
(On another channel is a Mr. Ed re-run at the same time...)

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Message no. 3
From: shadowrn@*********.com (Valeu John EMFA)
Subject: ShadowBeat Question
Date: Wed Oct 17 02:50:01 2001
Ok, Recently I bought a few of the published adventures.
Ttal Elipse
Dark Angel
One Sage Before

Notice a trend here? I do.
So before I started on the published works, I wanted to run them through an
easy run that I created. In keeping with the music theme, I had them going
up to grab a datafile from a music production company.
Anyway, I was on vactation and saw a few local up and coming bands in the
area and I got the idea for a (Sadow)Battle of the Bands.

Now the question is, Does anyone have a copy of Shadowbeat they're willing
to part with, or should I wait for Fanpro/Wizkids to make a reprint/update?

EMFA John Valeu
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Message no. 4
From: shadowrn@*********.com (Adam Jury)
Subject: ShadowBeat Question
Date: Wed Oct 17 03:05:01 2001
At 00:45 17/10/2001, Valeu John EMFA wrote:

>Now the question is, Does anyone have a copy of Shadowbeat they're willing
>to part with, or should I wait for Fanpro/Wizkids to make a reprint/update?

We haven't announced an update, and tradition dictates that sourcebooks [as
opposed to rulebooks] are never reprinted. So for now, you're /much/ better
off finding a used copy of Shadowbeat.

Adam
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Message no. 5
From: shadowrn@*********.com (Ahrain Drigar)
Subject: ShadowBeat Question
Date: Wed Oct 17 11:50:01 2001
----- Original Message -----
From: Valeu John EMFA <ValeuJ@*************.navy.mil>
Subject: ShadowBeat Question


> Ok, Recently I bought a few of the published adventures.
> Ttal Elipse
> Dark Angel
> One Sage Before
>
> Notice a trend here? I do.
> So before I started on the published works, I wanted to run them through
an
> easy run that I created. In keeping with the music theme, I had them
going
> up to grab a datafile from a music production company.
> Anyway, I was on vactation and saw a few local up and coming bands in the
> area and I got the idea for a (Sadow)Battle of the Bands.
>
> Now the question is, Does anyone have a copy of Shadowbeat they're willing
> to part with, or should I wait for Fanpro/Wizkids to make a
reprint/update?
>
> EMFA John Valeu
> -AKA- TimeKeeper
> "Don't put off tomorrow what you can do today, because it's just a matter
of
> time."

Have you tried eBay or half.com? That is where I have amassed most of my SR
collection.

Ahrain
Message no. 6
From: shadowrn@*********.com (Dan Turek)
Subject: ShadowBeat Question
Date: Wed Oct 17 13:30:01 2001
>----- Original Message -----
>From: Valeu John EMFA <ValeuJ@*************.navy.mil>
>Subject: ShadowBeat Question
>
>
> > Now the question is, Does anyone have a copy of Shadowbeat they're
>willing
> > to part with, or should I wait for Fanpro/Wizkids to make a
>reprint/update?
> >

ShadowBeat has only about 6 pages on music/bands, most of it being about
life in 2052 (media, simsense, sports, news, and music). The highlights are
the Impact Test and Performance Test.

Impact Test: An open test. The highest die roll is the Impact. So with
Singing 6 getting 1, 3, 5, 7, 9, 11 means the Impact is 11. Under 3rd Ed
rules it also means karma only buys more dice - there are no failures and
thus no re-rolls.

Performance Test: Impact of performance multiplied by Charisma. In short
form

9 or less: Abysmal. Bad rep until Exceptional performance turns you
around.
10 to 21: Poor. You sorta suck, until you do an Excpetional performance.
22 to 36: Average.
37 to 60: Exceptional. Easier to get rebooked.
61 to 96: Incredible. Next booking automatic.
97+: Novastar - status increased and 15 minutes of fame guaranteed.

There are various modifiers, etc but I think it wasn't thought out too well.
It's only really worth it from a music standpoint if a character plans to be
a performer through the whole campaign.

There is a nice section for being a reporter though, and I love the 2 page
TV Guide.

It is worth noting that Magic Use in NOT considered acceptable at a concert
- Heightened Charisma and Emotion Control are considered manipulative and
cheap by the major mundane audiences.


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Message no. 7
From: shadowrn@*********.com (Valeu John EMFA)
Subject: ShadowBeat Question
Date: Wed Oct 17 14:35:01 2001
>ShadowBeat has only about 6 pages on music/bands, most of it being about
>life in 2052 (media, simsense, sports, news, and music). The highlights are

>the Impact Test and Performance Test.

>Impact Test: An open test. The highest die roll is the Impact. So with
>Singing 6 getting 1, 3, 5, 7, 9, 11 means the Impact is 11. Under 3rd Ed
>rules it also means karma only buys more dice - there are no failures and
>thus no re-rolls.

Yeah, I remeber that SB introduced the 'Open Test' to the SR Rules.

>Performance Test: Impact of performance multiplied by Charisma. In short
>form

> 9 or less: Abysmal. Bad rep until Exceptional performance turns you
>around.
> 10 to 21: Poor. You sorta suck, until you do an Excpetional performance.
> 22 to 36: Average.
> 37 to 60: Exceptional. Easier to get rebooked.
> 61 to 96: Incredible. Next booking automatic.
> 97+: Novastar - status increased and 15 minutes of fame guaranteed.

>There are various modifiers, etc but I think it wasn't thought out too
well.
>It's only really worth it from a music standpoint if a character plans to
be
>a performer through the whole campaign.

That was the point. It would have been a mini-champaign where the
characters were a band that entered a local Battle of the Bands. The twists
were that the other bands were all sabotaging the others' equipment (some
might have gotten even more desperate.)
Message no. 8
From: shadowrn@*********.com (Mister Incognito)
Subject: Shadowbeat Question
Date: Sat Oct 20 21:05:01 2001
Can someone with Shadowbeat confirm that there was a rule in the book about
how the public reacted to reporters evidence and film- IIRC wasn't there a
negative 'impact' TN modifier for it if you broadcast modern day 2D film
instead of 2050's 3D Trideo?

The reason is, is I'm trying to build a walking camera man. Opticam in his
eyes to record what he sees, recorders in his ears to record what he hears
etc. which is all recorded onto internal headware memory. So could I just
give him an Opticam or, if it gives inferior quality and less impact than a
trideo camera, should I just come up with a more high tech version of
Opticams? And if standard opyicams record 1 minute of footage with 1 Mp how
much do you reacon the high tech version should take 2 Mp a minute maybe?

Is it just me or does .5 essence seem a bit excessive for an Opticam? A full
cybereye replacement costs only .2 essence. Or is it one of those there has
to be more added in to convert what you see into what can be electronically
recorded thingies.

A final question though is how much Mp does 1 minutes worth of sound from an
ear recorder take up as the main book doesn't actually say in the
description of ear recorders.

Thanks.

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Message no. 9
From: shadowrn@*********.com (Gurth)
Subject: Shadowbeat Question
Date: Sun Oct 21 05:20:01 2001
According to Mister Incognito, on Sun, 21 Oct 2001 the word on the street was...

> Can someone with Shadowbeat confirm that there was a rule in the book
> about how the public reacted to reporters evidence and film- IIRC wasn't
> there a negative 'impact' TN modifier for it if you broadcast modern day
> 2D film instead of 2050's 3D Trideo?

I think so, yeah, but I can't find any modifiers for it on a quick browse
through Shadowbeat.

> The reason is, is I'm trying to build a walking camera man. Opticam in
> his eyes to record what he sees, recorders in his ears to record what he
> hears etc. which is all recorded onto internal headware memory. So could
> I just give him an Opticam or, if it gives inferior quality and less
> impact than a trideo camera, should I just come up with a more high tech
> version of Opticams?

Implanted cameras are better if you want to record covertly, as you'll get a
better modifier than with miniature or normal cameras (-1 instead of -2 or -4)
because you have much more freedom to film things. Other than that, I don't
think there's a modifier for video vs. trideo images.

> And if standard opyicams record 1 minute of footage
> with 1 Mp how much do you reacon the high tech version should take 2 Mp a
> minute maybe?

This is covered on page 99 of Shadowbeat: high-resolution video is 1 MP per
minute, trideo 5 Mp per minute, and high-res trideo is 10 Mp per minute.

> Is it just me or does .5 essence seem a bit excessive for an Opticam? A
> full cybereye replacement costs only .2 essence. Or is it one of those
> there has to be more added in to convert what you see into what can be
> electronically recorded thingies.

I'd say so, yes. If you're worried about that cost, just buy cybereyes and
stick the camera into its free Essence slot.

> A final question though is how much Mp does 1 minutes worth of sound from
> an ear recorder take up as the main book doesn't actually say in the
> description of ear recorders.

1 Mp/minute for normal-spectrum sound, or 3 Mp/minute for extended-spectrum.
Whether or not this is added to the video/trideo size, it doesn't say. On the
one hand, I'd assume it doesn't, but on the other that means strange things are
happening with video -- the sound for that wouldn't take up any memory at all...

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Message no. 10
From: shadowrn@*********.com (Lars Wagner Hansen)
Subject: Shadowbeat Question
Date: Sun Oct 21 08:15:01 2001
From: "Mister Incognito" <misterincognito@*******.com>

> Can someone with Shadowbeat confirm that there was a rule in the book about
> how the public reacted to reporters evidence and film- IIRC wasn't there a
> negative 'impact' TN modifier for it if you broadcast modern day 2D film
> instead of 2050's 3D Trideo?

Can't find any modifiers for video vs. trideo.
On the other had you could just film it in video, and then use the Fuchi
Holo-Edit 7200 that can convert 2D to 3D.

> Is it just me or does .5 essence seem a bit excessive for an Opticam? A full
> cybereye replacement costs only .2 essence. Or is it one of those there has
> to be more added in to convert what you see into what can be electronically
> recorded thingies.

Just stick it into a cybereye. That way you pay .2 essence for the cybereye, and
can put the camera in the eyes free .5 essence slot.

> A final question though is how much Mp does 1 minutes worth of sound from an
> ear recorder take up as the main book doesn't actually say in the
> description of ear recorders.

Things seem to change over time.

In SR1 you could get the following items:
Video recorders with 6 hours capacity (going by Shadowbeat that would mean
it had at least 360 Mp)
Cyberware camera: 0.5 Mp/image (indication that it could not film, only take
still photos).

Then came SSC1, where the Videolink had the following information: 6 Mp gives 1
minute of low-resolution video (which was very cheap compared to SR1 where 12
photos was also 6 Mp).

Shadowbeat had the following information on page 99:
High-resolution video image: 1 Mp/minute (Way better that SCC1 wher you
payed 6 times for lower quality)
Trideo image: 5 Mp/minute
High-resolution trideo image: 10 Mp/minute
Normal spectrum sound: 1 Mp/minute
Extended spectrum sound: 3 Mp/minute
Wet Record Simsense
Baseline: 1 Mp/second
Full-X: 3 Mp/second
Dir-X Format Simsense
Baseline: 1 Mp/second
Full-X: 3 Mp/second
ACT Format Simsense
Baseline: 1 Mp/100 seconds
Full-X: 3 Mp/100 seconds

In SR2 the cyberware camera was changed,and now seemed more like a video camera
with the following information: 1 Mp/second (as expensive as simsence!?!)

The SCC2 was published, but still with the same 6 Mp/minute low-res video.

SR3 again changed the cuberware camera, now back to photos:
Cyberware camera: 1 Mp/60 shots (30 times the number of photos you could get
under SR1, talk about SOTA)
Opticam: 1 Mp/minute (same as Shadowbeat high-res video)
Sim-Rig (Wet simsense):
Baseline: 1 Mp/second (Same as Shadowbeat)
Full-X: 3 Mp/second (Same as Shadowbeat)

I don't know if Shadwbeat means that you have to recored the video/trideo and
the sound in two seperate recordings. So if you want high-res trideo with
extended sound you will end up with 13 Mp/minute, where as you could do high-res
video with normal sound for 2 Mp/minute.

Lars
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Message no. 11
From: shadowrn@*********.com (Damion Milliken)
Subject: Shadowbeat Question
Date: Mon Oct 22 05:40:01 2001
Gurth writes:

> 1 Mp/minute for normal-spectrum sound, or 3 Mp/minute for
> extended-spectrum. Whether or not this is added to the video/trideo size,
> it doesn't say. On the one hand, I'd assume it doesn't, but on the other
> that means strange things are happening with video -- the sound for that
> wouldn't take up any memory at all...

But video doesn't have to have sound. Security cameras are typically picture
only - no sound. I'd say that sound is extra.

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