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From:	S90H000 <S90H@******.BITNET>
Subject:	shadowland
Date:	Tue, 13 Apr 1993 13:24:55 EST

Message no. 1 I found out something yesterday. Who here has read the new novel by
tome Dowd? Okay, I haven't but a friend of mine has figured out where
the stronghold of shadowland is. Exactly. In the book, a character is
blindfolded, and taken to shadowland. My friend counted all of the
turns inthe book. He and a couple of friends retraced the route in a
car starting on Academy Boulevard in colorado springs. With all of the
turns included, he arrived at one of the largest halls on the grounds of
the Air Force Academy in colorado springs. I'm told that in the book
the scene outside is described as a large building that houses a large
computer installation. The surrounding buildings could have been dorm
rooms, offices, and tennis courts, or words to that effect. The hall,
which I cannot remember off hand, is like that now, with only the
additional lecture halls on the top floors.

Says it would be the perfect place, since the ucas isn't using it
anymore.

scott madaski

From:	"Jason Carter, Nightstalker" <CARTER@***.EDU>
Subject:	Re: Shadowland
Date:	Tue, 13 Apr 1993 13:06:28 -0700

Message no. 2 Scott Madaski,
You and your friends have way too much free time on your hands. Still I'm
sure Tom Dowd meant for that to be the location of Shadowland. It would have
been too large a coincident for you to get to a place just like the one in the
book when you followed the directions. Still, to steal a little of your
thunderI don't think those exact directions would work in 2054.
Mostly I think it was an inside joke of the author.

See Ya in Shadows,
Jason J Carter
The Nightstalker

From:	DANIEL WAISLEY <LGLUMKA@***.BITNET>
Subject:	shadowland
Date:	Tue, 13 Apr 1993 16:18:39 -0500

Message no. 3 for shadowland
I have not read the book but have a few questions

First of all he counted the turns right?
but how could he count the places were they didn't turn

Now since they could have been incorrect at this point could not
have some of the turns been turns in the road but not changes
in roads ( ie figurative 9th street turns and hits 6th street then
if you turn again you are on 6th - two turns but only
one street)

this of course would be a much better question if I read
the book.

Nightfox
gee an orientaion computer
would have helped him alot

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From:	Ioannis Fikouras <j07c@***.UNI-BREMEN.DE>
Subject:	ShadowLand
Date:	Fri, 3 Dec 1993 20:36:07 +0100

Message no. 4 Hoi Chummers,

In one of the novels, I think it was Shadowplay, the kid (Falcon)
actually implies that ShadowLand is sold out to some Corp
that is using this net as a cover to spread misinformation
amongst the runners.Does anyone believe this crap?

--

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Twilight is upon me and soon night must fall.
That is the way of things ... the way of the Force.

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From:	Christopher Sean Jackson <jackson@*******.UTA.EDU>
Subject:	Re: ShadowLand
Date:	Fri, 3 Dec 1993 17:25:43 CST

Message no. 5 > In one of the novels, I think it was Shadowplay, the kid (Falcon)
> actually implies that ShadowLand is sold out to some Corp
> that is using this net as a cover to spread misinformation
> amongst the runners.Does anyone believe this crap?

More accuratly, it was suggested that if Shadowland was a real
boil on the collective hides of the corpers, it would go the way
of the dino,dodo,whale etc.

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From:	Deird'Re Brooks <deirdre@***.ORG>
Subject:	Re: ShadowLand
Date:	Sat, 4 Dec 1993 00:32:16 -0800

Message no. 6 > Hoi Chummers,
>
> In one of the novels, I think it was Shadowplay, the kid (Falcon)
> actually implies that ShadowLand is sold out to some Corp
> that is using this net as a cover to spread misinformation
> amongst the runners.Does anyone believe this crap?

Well, firstly, I _hate_ Findley's writing.

Secondly, Falcon might *think* this is so, but Falcon has as much
net savvy as your average brownstone, so believing him is kinda a
funky thing to do, y'see.

Marzhavasati Kali |If mail bounces, check spelling. It's deirdre.
deirdre@***.org |If that doesn't work, send mail to
|deirdre%efn.org@*******.cs.uoregon.edu
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-- Belle Star

From:	Robert Watkins <bob@**.NTU.EDU.AU>
Subject:	Re: ShadowLand
Date:	Sat, 4 Dec 1993 23:04:51 +0930

Message no. 7 >
> Hoi Chummers,
>
> In one of the novels, I think it was Shadowplay, the kid (Falcon)
> actually implies that ShadowLand is sold out to some Corp
> that is using this net as a cover to spread misinformation
> amongst the runners.Does anyone believe this crap?
>
Sortof... let me put it this way. Shadowland has got a hell of a lot of
resources behind it. And, regardless of who controls it, the corps would
undoubtabley use it to spread misinformation.

--
Robert Watkins bob@******.cs.ntu.edu.au
Real Programmers never work 9 to 5. If any real programmers are around at 9 am,
it's because they were up all night.

From:	Kevin Dean Knight <SwrdKnght@***.COM>
Subject:	Shadowland
Date:	Wed, 28 Jun 1995 08:24:41 -0400

Message no. 8 Hoi, Chummers:

My name is Kevin Knight and I run Sword of the Knight Publications. We are
embarking on a project to bring you Shadowland, the official Shadowrun
support magazine (replacing the now defunk KAGE). We are in need of
submissions if the first issue is to make it out by the end of summer. If you
have any questions or concerns, please email me directly at
SwrdKnght@***.com. Additionally, we will be honoring all subscriptions sent
to KAGE so if you had a subscription with that magazine you will have a
subscription to Shadowland. Thanks for your time.

From:	Jonathan Kevin Lee <jkl7@*******.EDU>
Subject:	Re: Shadowland
Date:	Tue, 19 Sep 1995 08:12:46 -0400

Message no. 9 Hi everyone,

Apparently Shadowland is up and running again. Being the internet addict
that I am, I was really spooked when the server went down and the Sysop said
the system would have to be moved.

Anyways, everything seems okay for now.

Jonathan Lee

From:	Stephanos Piperoglou <steve@*******.HOL.GR>
Subject:	Re: Shadowland
Date:	Tue, 19 Sep 1995 19:52:13 +0300

Message no. 10 On Tue, 19 Sep 1995, Jonathan Kevin Lee wrote:

> Hi everyone,
>
> Apparently Shadowland is up and running again. Being the internet addict
> that I am, I was really spooked when the server went down and the Sysop said
> the system would have to be moved.

Shadowland? There already IS a Shadowland? I was building one myself! I
was creating an interactive archive for the Web named Shadowland (project
went on hold when school started). Please tell me more about this
Shadowland. What is it?

--
Stephanos Piperoglou -- steve@****.hol.gr
"Beside the everlasting `Why?' there is a `Yes', and a `Yes', and a `Yes'!"
- E. M. Forster, "A Room with a View"
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DI+ D+ G++ e->++++* h! r y?

From:	Chris Power <jcpower@********.IUPUI.EDU>
Subject:	Re: Shadowland
Date:	Thu, 21 Sep 1995 13:54:22 -0500

Message no. 11 I'd like to know more too!!!
"The you could hear the roar of an eighteen wheeler, and you knew it was
going to be a bad day."
Hamilton

On Tue, 19 Sep 1995, Stephanos Piperoglou wrote:

> On Tue, 19 Sep 1995, Jonathan Kevin Lee wrote:
>
> > Hi everyone,
> >
> > Apparently Shadowland is up and running again. Being the internet addict
> > that I am, I was really spooked when the server went down and the Sysop said
> > the system would have to be moved.
>
> Shadowland? There already IS a Shadowland? I was building one myself! I
> was creating an interactive archive for the Web named Shadowland (project
> went on hold when school started). Please tell me more about this
> Shadowland. What is it?
>
> --
> Stephanos Piperoglou -- steve@****.hol.gr
> "Beside the everlasting `Why?' there is a `Yes', and a `Yes', and a `Yes'!"
> - E. M. Forster, "A Room with a View"
> Geek Code v3.1: GCS/S/M/L/PA d- s++:++ a16 C++++ UL++>++++ P+ L+++>++++ E
> W+>+++ N+ o? K w--- O- M+ !V PS+ PE++ Y+ PGP++ t+ 5++ X+ R+++ tv b++(+++)
> DI+ D+ G++ e->++++* h! r y?
>

From:	Luis Navarro <lnavarro@*******.COM.MX>
Subject:	Re: Shadowland
Date:	Thu, 21 Sep 1995 19:41:34 CST

Message no. 12 >> Shadowland? There already IS a Shadowland? I was building one myself! I
>> was creating an interactive archive for the Web named Shadowland (project
>> went on hold when school started). Please tell me more about this
>> Shadowland. What is it?
>>

Just take a look at http://ta3.cs.uiuc.edu:8000/index.html
but is not working, if you are making one just let us know.....

..Luis Navarro * ... THE FLAMES OF LIFE
...lnavarro@*******.com.mx * .....COMES FROM WATER.....Melkizedec.
.... *

From:	"Andrew W. Ragland" <RAGLAN45@*****.MMC.EDU>
Subject:	Shadowland
Date:	Mon, 16 Oct 1995 20:18:25 -0500

Message no. 13 I'm holding issue #1 as I type this (which makes typing really hard, lemme
tell you). Great cover, good material, nicely diverse, and a really
stompin' cover by John Zeleznik. Should be in your gaming stores
realsoonnow. And Terry, yours will be in the mail tomorrow.

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From:	Cuckoo Clock <cukoo@*****.NET>
Subject:	Re: Shadowland
Date:	Mon, 16 Oct 1995 19:34:09 -0700

Message no. 14 >I'm holding issue #1 as I type this (which makes typing really hard, lemme
>tell you). Great cover, good material, nicely diverse, and a really
>stompin' cover by John Zeleznik. Should be in your gaming stores
>realsoonnow. And Terry, yours will be in the mail tomorrow.

So Shadowland will be available retail?

From:	"Andrew W. Ragland" <RAGLAN45@*****.MMC.EDU>
Subject:	Re: Shadowland
Date:	Tue, 17 Oct 1995 08:25:06 -0500

From:	"St. Jean, Ricky" <stjeanr@*******.CANADOREC.ON.CA>
Subject:	Re: Shadowland
Date:	Tue, 17 Oct 1995 20:28:00 PDT

Message no. 16 can you please post the address of mr knight again.

thanx

From:	"Andrew W. Ragland" <RAGLAN45@*****.MMC.EDU>
Subject:	Re: Shadowland
Date:	Wed, 18 Oct 1995 08:22:01 -0500

From:	Terry Amburgey <xanth@****.UKY.EDU>
Subject:	Shadowland
Date:	Thu, 26 Oct 1995 12:23:18 -0400

Message no. 18 I got my complimentary copy of Shadowland from Andrew; it's awesome. I never
got around to subscribing to KaGe so I don't know how it compares. I won't
waste any time subscribing to Shadowland. It has fiction, it has toys, a
short adventure, and some very nice artwork. Good stuff. Terry
P.s. Andrew, the next time you're in Lexington give me a ring.

Terry L. Amburgey Office: 606-257-7726
Associate Professor Home: 606-224-0636
College of Business & Economics Fax: 606-257-3577
University of Kentucky
Lexington, KY 40506

From:	Mark Steedman <RSMS@******.EEE.RGU.AC.UK>
Subject:	Re: Shadowland
Date:	Thu, 26 Oct 1995 16:37:15 GMT

Message no. 19 Terry Amburgey writes

> I got my complimentary copy of Shadowland from Andrew; it's awesome

Well as you brought the subject up.
It is out retail. Arrived the same day as the latest ED journal here.

Also there is a FASA review of VR2, checking in 2 mins under
'technoshamen' suggests its just a view of the matrix as we (well
from posts most folks i think) had hoped, no magic in the machine.

Mark

From:	"Andrew W. Ragland" <RAGLAN45@*****.MMC.EDU>
Subject:	Re: Shadowland
Date:	Thu, 26 Oct 1995 13:34:20 -0500

Message no. 20 > I got my complimentary copy of Shadowland from Andrew; it's awesome

Glad you liked it. Sorry about the tyrosine thing -- that's what I get for
writing the article on MAOIs from memory and not consulting PDR before I
sent it off. Next drug article will be checked more carefully. And there
will be more, I can assure you...

>It is out retail. Arrived the same day as the latest ED journal here.

Opinion, Mr. Spock? Or does anybody here read EDJ and sub to the ED list?

>Also there is a FASA review of VR2, checking in 2 mins under
>'technoshamen' suggests its just a view of the matrix as we (well
>from posts most folks i think) had hoped, no magic in the machine.

Well, more or less. It seems to be a philosophical basis for dealing with a
peculiar phenomenon called the Deep Resonance. Apparently otaku, or child
deckers, experience the Deep Resonance while jacked in -- it's sort of like
achieving nirvana or seeing the true tao. You can't explain it well, so
they created two schools of thought to deal with it. One takes a mystical
view, the other takes a hard-edged techie view. Should be interesting to
see the full writeup.

OTOH, this means I can't send off my Smart Frames article until VR2 comes
out. (Is that like VR5? Frag, I miss that show...)

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From:	U-Gene <R3STG@***.CC.UAKRON.EDU>
Subject:	Re: Shadowland
Date:	Thu, 26 Oct 1995 14:56:43 EDT

Message no. 21 Andrew W. Ragland:
>OTOH, this means I can't send of my Smart Frames article until VR2 comes
>out. (Is that like VR5? Frag, I miss that show...)

I only seen it a couple of times, but VR5 was pretty cool.

Speaking of smart frames, I just came up with an idea. What if you could
design a frame that other people accopanying the decker could control.

What do you think?

U-Gene

From:	U-Gene <R3STG@***.CC.UAKRON.EDU>
Subject:	Re: Shadowland
Date:	Thu, 26 Oct 1995 15:40:33 EDT

Message no. 22 U-Gene wrote [yes, I am repling to myself]
>Speaking of Smart Frames, I just came up with an idea. What if you could
>design a frame that other people accopaning him could control.

The above sentance should be:
What if you could design a smart frame so the PC's accopanying the decker
can control the smart frames.

That way everyone would actually have something to do when the decker
decked. I don't know if it's that feaseable, but I thought that
would be a way to defeat the PC's saying "Oh god, I guess I'll go watch
TV." Of course I don't think it takes that long in the first place,
(20 min) but my players are impatient.

U-Gene << is talking to himself now :) >>

From:	"Andrew W. Ragland" <RAGLAN45@*****.MMC.EDU>
Subject:	Re: Shadowland
Date:	Thu, 26 Oct 1995 16:01:14 -0500

From:	Mark Steedman <RSMS@******.EEE.RGU.AC.UK>
Subject:	Re: Shadowland
Date:	Fri, 27 Oct 1995 08:45:03 GMT

Message no. 24 U-Gene writes

> The above sentance should be:
> What if you could design a smart frame so the PC's accopanying the decker
> can control the smart frames.
>
Sounds like a good idea. They would probably need some computer
skill, but.

One thing that works wonders is kepp the deckers essence very high
and have a monitor screen operating, when you trash the Black ic but
take a bit you flash 'Treat spell please' on said screen and get
cured while jacked in. Has been tested, on the UB of all folks!

Mark

From:	U-Gene <R3STG@***.CC.UAKRON.EDU>
Subject:	Re: Shadowland
Date:	Fri, 27 Oct 1995 09:34:31 EDT

Message no. 25 Andrew Ragland:
>Ever hear of hitcher jacks?

Yeah, sure I have. The problem is the hitchers don't actually get to
anything. Basically they get to watch the decker do stuff and maybe
offer advice. Hence if they had control of a smart frame, they
actually get to participate.

U-Gene << ohmygodohmygodohmygodohmygodohmygod >>

From:	"Andrew W. Ragland" <RAGLAN45@*****.MMC.EDU>
Subject:	Re: Shadowland
Date:	Fri, 27 Oct 1995 09:00:30 -0500

Message no. 26 >Yeah, sure I have. The problem is the hitchers don't actually get to
>anything. Basically they get to watch the decker do stuff and maybe
>offer advice. Hence if they had control of a smart frame, they
>actually get to participate.

But do you really want a non-decker running around loose in the node with
you?

"Gee, Brain, what does this do?"

*SYSTEM TO ACTIVE ALERT*

"Ooopsie..."

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From:	"Sgt. Pepper" <GRBENNET@*****.CIS.ECU.EDU>
Subject:	Re: Shadowland
Date:	Fri, 27 Oct 1995 13:41:30 EDT

Message no. 27 On Thu, 26 Oct 1995 12:23:18 -0400 Terry Amburgey said:
>I got my complimentary copy of Shadowland from Andrew; it's awesome. I never
>got around to subscribing to KaGe so I don't know how it compares. I won't
>waste any time subscribing to Shadowland. It has fiction, it has toys, a
>short adventure, and some very nice artwork. Good stuff. Terry
>P.s. Andrew, the next time you're in Lexington give me a ring.
>
I just got my first issue yesterday, i like it a lot better that KaGe.
And well done on your articles Andrew.
Sgt. Pepper

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IF YOU CAN SMILE WHEN THINGS GO WRONG, YOU HAVE SOMEONE IN
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From:	"Andrew W. Ragland" <RAGLAN45@*****.MMC.EDU>
Subject:	Re: Shadowland
Date:	Fri, 27 Oct 1995 13:37:33 -0500

Message no. 28 >I just got my first issue yesterday, i like it a lot better that KaGe.
>And well done on your articles Andrew.

Thenkew, thenkew. Always nice to get feedback. Evenif it's bad. I mean, at
least I provoked a reaction :).

BTW, I'm working on a scenario right now that I'll be sending in to Kevin
in the next week or so. It's a run for beginning characters with Low
resources. You're hired by a stripper to find her missing boyfriend. It
gets real ugly real fast.

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From:	U-Gene <R3STG@***.CC.UAKRON.EDU>
Subject:	Re: Shadowland
Date:	Mon, 30 Oct 1995 09:44:57 EST

Message no. 29 Andrew Ragland:
>But do you really want non-deckers running loose in the node with you?
>
>"Gee, Brain, what does this do?"
>
>*System to Active Alert*
>
>"Ooopsie"

Hey, as the DM, I am just solving the _player_ problem. What their
characters do is totally their problem. :)

U-Gene << Show no mercy to the unwise :) >>

From:	The Digital Mage <mn3rge@****.ac.uk>
Subject:	Re: Shadowland
Date:	Mon, 30 Oct 1995 16:46:24 +0000 (GMT)

Message no. 30 On Thu, 26 Oct 1995, U-Gene wrote:

> What if you could design a smart frame so the PC's accopanying the decker
> can control the smart frames.
>
> That way everyone would actually have something to do when the decker
> decked. I don't know if it's that feaseable, but I thought that
> would be a way to defeat the PC's saying "Oh god, I guess I'll go watch
> TV." Of course I don't think it takes that long in the first place,
> (20 min) but my players are impatient.
>
Another shameless plug -check out my matrix rules at my www site. There
are suggestions for other players playing frames and IC :) Various other
ways to make net runs more entertaining for all are included.

The Digital Mage : mn3rge@****.ac.uk
Shadowrun Web Site under construction at
http://www.bath.ac.uk/~mn3rge/Shadowrun.html

From:	bqtech1@***.pipeline.com (Andrew W. Ragland)
Subject:	Re: Shadowland
Date:	Sat, 20 Jan 1996 15:57:58 -0500

Message no. 31 On Jan 20, 1996 14:15:45, 'Mike and Jill Johnson <shadow@****.ahbqs.com>'
wrote:

>Shadowland? Did I miss something here?

Yep, you sure did. Shadowland is the official FASA-sanctioned quarterly
magazine dedicated to Shadowrun. It's from Sword of the Knight and is a
damn fine production, if I do say so because I have a vested interest. :)
Send mail to swrdknght@***.com for information on subscribing and getting
back issues.

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From:	"Robert H. Kean" <rkean@****.net>
Subject:	Shadowland???
Date:	Tue, 19 Mar 1996 01:00:18 -0500

Message no. 32 Anyone know how long it will be down???

rob

From:	fauxpas@******.net (Faux Pas)
Subject:	Re: Shadowland???
Date:	Tue, 19 Mar 1996 16:09:55 -0600

Message no. 33 >Anyone know how long it will be down???
>
>rob

www.shadowland.org?

Don't know, don't care anymore. I've had to create my runner in the "Meet
the Runners" section three separate times in the last month. Create it,
save it, log off following the instructions. A few days later my roommate
tells me that 20Questions got wiped again. I've given up on that site.

-Thomas Deeny
Cartoonist At Large

"Fear and suppression: the twin cornerstones of good government."
-Lord Gessler, _Crossbow_

From:	Peter David Boddy <pdboddy@****.carleton.ca>
Subject:	ShadowLand
Date:	Wed, 3 Apr 96 13:17:58 EST

Message no. 34 Does anyone know if Shadowland is up yet, and if so, what's its new address?

Pete
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Carleton University
Email address: pdboddy@****.carleton.ca
Email address: bx955@*******.carleton.ca
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From:	tsbtal@********.com (Tal Kedem)
Subject:	Shadowland
Date:	Tue, 9 Apr 1996 01:17:45 -0400

Message no. 35 Is Shadowland EVER going back up?

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Finger me for my PGP public Key

From:	Fro <fro@***.ab.ca>
Subject:	Re: Shadowland
Date:	Tue, 9 Apr 1996 00:08:12 -0600

Message no. 36 At 01:17 09/04/96 -0400, you wrote:
>Is Shadowland EVER going back up?

Last I heard is Dave is coding some new Java applets, adn they have found a
site. This was about 2 days ago i think.

From:	PDL@****.dacom.co.kr
Subject:	Re: Shadowland
Date:	Tue, 9 Apr 96 19:05:35 PDT

Message no. 37 ---------------Original Message---------------
At 01:17 09/04/96 -0400, you wrote:
>Is Shadowland EVER going back up?

Last I heard is Dave is coding some new Java applets, adn they have found a site. This
was about 2 days ago i think.

----------End of Original Message----------

Yes, I know this is *way* off topic, but can someone can comment on Java, please? What
exactly can it be used for?

Another question, is it possible to set up a web page that can search for data on web
pages? For example, Edge Runners is located on Paulo's web page. Could you type at a
prompt and have a link provided?

Thanks in advance for the edification.

Patrick

From:	"A Halliwell" <u5a77@**.keele.ac.uk>
Subject:	Re: Shadowland
Date:	Tue, 9 Apr 1996 12:50:11 +0100 (BST)

Message no. 38 |Another question, is it possible to set up a web page that can search for data on web
pages? For example, Edge Runners is located on Paulo's web page. Could you type at a
prompt and have a link provided?
|
|Thanks in advance for the edification.
|
|Patrick

First off, Please! set your margins to 70, or press return at the end of
every line.
I find it a pain in the arse trying to read 288 column displays on an 80
column display.

As for the Websearching....
I think you'll find Netsearch does that. There is also Yahoo, Webcrawler and
a few others.....
Sorry, I don't have the URLs...
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From:	"A Halliwell" <u5a77@**.keele.ac.uk>
Subject:	Re: Shadowland
Date:	Tue, 9 Apr 1996 12:53:00 +0100 (BST)

Message no. 39 |Another question, is it possible to set up a web page that can search for data on web
pages? For example, Edge Runners is located on Paulo's web page. Could you type at a
prompt and have a link provided?
|
|Thanks in advance for the edification.
|
|Patrick

First off. PLEASE! Set your margins to 70 or press enter at the end of every
line.
I'm using an 80 column display, not a 288 column one.

As for the websearching.
Try Netsearch, Yahoo search or Webcrawler. I think they'd do it.
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| |move, with no hope of rescue. |
|Andrew Halliwell |Consider how lucky you are that life has been good |
|Principal subjects in:-|to you so far... |
|Comp Sci & Visual Arts | -The BOOK, Hitch-hiker's guide to the galaxy. |
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From:	Mike Yagupsky <myagup@*******.bgu.ac.il>
Subject:	Re: Shadowland
Date:	Tue, 9 Apr 1996 22:13:32 +0300 (IDT)

Message no. 40 On Tue, 9 Apr 1996, A Halliwell wrote:

> |Another question, is it possible to set up a web page that can search for data on
web pages? For example, Edge Runners is located on Paulo's web page. Could you type at
a prompt and have a link provided?
> |
> |Thanks in advance for the edification.
> |
> |Patrick
>
> First off, Please! set your margins to 70, or press return at the end of
> every line.
> I find it a pain in the arse trying to read 288 column displays on an 80
> column display.
>
> As for the Websearching....
> I think you'll find Netsearch does that. There is also Yahoo, Webcrawler and
> a few others.....
> Sorry, I don't have the URLs...
> --
> ______________________________________________________________________________
> | |What to do if you find yourself stuck in a crack in |
> |u5a77@**.keele.ac.uk |the ground beneath a giant boulder, which you can't |
> | |move, with no hope of rescue. |
> |Andrew Halliwell |Consider how lucky you are that life has been good |
> |Principal subjects in:-|to you so far... |
> |Comp Sci & Visual Arts | -The BOOK, Hitch-hiker's guide to the galaxy. |
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> |GCv3.1 GCS/FA>$ d---(dpu) s+/- a- C++ U N++ K- w-- M+/++ PS+++ PE- Y t+ 5++ |
> |X+/++ R+ tv+ b+ D G e>PhD h/h+ !r! !y-|I can still say FUCK! Americans can't|
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
The URL for yahoo is Http://www.yahoo.com

From:	Larry <lomion@********.net>
Subject:	Re: Shadowland
Date:	Wed, 10 Apr 1996 16:38:24 -0400

Message no. 41 Please pardon this reality incursion....

>Yes, I know this is *way* off topic, but can someone can comment on Java,
please? What exactly can it be used for?
Java is a language that allows cross-platform running of various small
'applets' little mini-programs that make animations and sounds to start, I'd
wait on it tho, they'res a number of security problems (which are now being
patched) and Mozilla(Netscape) uses it but it's slow and a pain on certain
machines. If you want animations use the new Gif89a format that animates.
It 's a bit better. If you use Netscape I'd disable the Java console until
they fix it, the Atlas they've released has the fix but it's a first beta
and buggy as hell, also you'll get no support for it as it's Betaware

>
>Another question, is it possible to set up a web page that can search for
data on web pages? For example, Edge Runners is located on Paulo's web
page. Could you type at a prompt and have a link provided?
Ya you could, that's basically hat the various search engines are for like
Lycos, Yahoo or Infoseek. Get an HTML writers book it provides the howto..

BTW While I'm no expert I work at an ISP in Tech support.

And now back to Shadowrun...

>Thanks in advance for the edification.
>
>Patrick
>
>
>
>
>
Larry Sica
lomion@**.cybernex.net
http://www2.cybernex.net/~lomion
-----------------------------------------------
"I see the eyes but not the tears
This is my affliction"
>From "Eyes that last I saw in tears", T.S. Eliot
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From:	Specter <james@***.UNM.EDU>
Subject:	Shadowland
Date:	Thu, 24 Oct 1996 11:41:15 -0600

Message no. 42 Oops, I screwed up. I sent that last messge before I checked to see if
Shadowland was up today, and well.... it is. Please disregard my last
message.

Homepage: http://www.arc.unm.edu/~james

From:	"Q (not from Star Trek)" <Scott.E.Meyer@*******.EDU>
Subject:	shadowland
Date:	Fri, 8 Nov 1996 13:01:57 -0600

Message no. 43 I don't know if anyone here is familiar with Shadowland, but it's a web
based site kind of like a bbs located at www.shadowland.org. They've just
recently upgraded to Shadowland 4.0 written entirely in JavaScript. I was
just wondering if anybody on this list has gotten in to see it recently,
because I don't seem to be able to. I'm using Netscape 2.02 (I can get
ahold of 3.0 if I absolutely need to, but it hasn't worked either). As
far as I know, there's nothing substandard about the browser I'm using.
In any case, I can call up the opening screen just fine, I get the big,
surrealistic picture in the main window, and the notice "now reading
client file, please stand by." After that, nothing. I've waited from 5
to 20 minutes for something to happen, and nothing has. Does anybody know
what I'm doing wrong?

-Q

--------------------------------
Save a tree. Eat a beaver.

Scott.E.Meyer@*******.edu
http://johnh.wheaton.edu/~smeyer

From:	Max Rible <cheshire@*****.COM>
Subject:	Re: shadowland
Date:	Fri, 8 Nov 1996 11:28:08 -0800

Message no. 44 At 13:01 11/8/96 -0600, Q (not from Star Trek) wrote:
>I don't know if anyone here is familiar with Shadowland, but it's a web
>based site kind of like a bbs located at www.shadowland.org. They've just
>recently upgraded to Shadowland 4.0 written entirely in JavaScript.

Java, not JavaScript.

> I was
>just wondering if anybody on this list has gotten in to see it recently,
>because I don't seem to be able to.

I'm on there right now, and it's *very* cool (though it's still in Alpha test).

> I'm using Netscape 2.02 (I can get
>ahold of 3.0 if I absolutely need to, but it hasn't worked either).

I'd recommend using Netscape 3.0. You need to be on a 32-bit platform, so
if you're on Windows 3.1 or Windows for Warehouses, you're out of luck.

>In any case, I can call up the opening screen just fine, I get the big,
>surrealistic picture in the main window, and the notice "now reading
>client file, please stand by."

Put your cursor in the frame that says "Shadowland 4.0 Alpha" at the bottom
of the screen. It should tell you your progress in loading the Java applet.
Once it's loaded, a login window should come up. You'll need to create an
account from the "Create Account" hyperlink before doing that, though.
--
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%%% "Before enlightenment: sharpen claws, catch mice. %%%
%%% After enlightenment: sharpen claws, catch mice." - me %%%

From:	"Q (not from Star Trek)" <Scott.E.Meyer@*******.EDU>
Subject:	Re: shadowland
Date:	Fri, 8 Nov 1996 13:51:44 -0600

Message no. 45 On Fri, 8 Nov 1996, Max Rible wrote:

[snip]
> I'd recommend using Netscape 3.0. You need to be on a 32-bit platform, so
> if you're on Windows 3.1 or Windows for Warehouses, you're out of luck.
>
That must be my problem, then. We'll be getting Win95 this spring, but
until then....
Do you think it would run under XWindows?

> >In any case, I can call up the opening screen just fine, I get the big,
> >surrealistic picture in the main window, and the notice "now reading
> >client file, please stand by."
>
> Put your cursor in the frame that says "Shadowland 4.0 Alpha" at the bottom
> of the screen. It should tell you your progress in loading the Java applet.
> Once it's loaded, a login window should come up. You'll need to create an
> account from the "Create Account" hyperlink before doing that, though.
> --
> %%% Max Rible %%% cheshire@*****.com %%% http://www.amurgsval.org/~cheshire %%%
> %%% "Before enlightenment: sharpen claws, catch mice. %%%
> %%% After enlightenment: sharpen claws, catch mice." - me %%%
>

--------------------------------
Save a tree. Eat a beaver.

Scott.E.Meyer@*******.edu
http://johnh.wheaton.edu/~smeyer

From:	Max Rible <cheshire@*****.COM>
Subject:	Re: shadowland
Date:	Fri, 8 Nov 1996 12:01:06 -0800

Message no. 46 At 13:51 11/8/96 -0600, Q (not from Star Trek) wrote:
>On Fri, 8 Nov 1996, Max Rible wrote:
>> I'd recommend using Netscape 3.0. You need to be on a 32-bit platform, so
>> if you're on Windows 3.1 or Windows for Warehouses, you're out of luck.

>That must be my problem, then. We'll be getting Win95 this spring, but
>until then....
>Do you think it would run under XWindows?

It ought to.
--
%%% Max Rible %%% cheshire@*****.com %%% http://www.amurgsval.org/~cheshire %%%
%%% "Before enlightenment: sharpen claws, catch mice. %%%
%%% After enlightenment: sharpen claws, catch mice." - me %%%

From:	Pete <Pete@********.DEMON.CO.UK>
Subject:	Re: shadowland
Date:	Fri, 8 Nov 1996 23:25:00 +0000

Message no. 47 >I don't know if anyone here is familiar with Shadowland, but it's a web
>based site kind of like a bbs located at www.shadowland.org. They've just
>recently upgraded to Shadowland 4.0 written entirely in JavaScript. I was
>just wondering if anybody on this list has gotten in to see it recently,
>because I don't seem to be able to. I'm using Netscape 2.02 (I can get
>ahold of 3.0 if I absolutely need to, but it hasn't worked either). As

If you don't have the Java pugin for Netscape 3.0 or MS Internet
Explorer, you won't see anything. Netscapes java plug in is available
from the netscape Home site, MS Explorer is available from the MS home
site... get either of them and it'll work fine.
--
Pete Sims
Civilisation advances by extending the number of important operations which we
can perform without thinking about them.

From:	The Crucible <crucible@******.MUR.CSU.EDU.AU>
Subject:	Re: shadowland
Date:	Sat, 9 Nov 1996 14:07:30 +1100

Message no. 48 > I don't know if anyone here is familiar with Shadowland, but it's a web
> based site kind of like a bbs located at www.shadowland.org. They've just
> recently upgraded to Shadowland 4.0 written entirely in JavaScript. I was
> just wondering if anybody on this list has gotten in to see it recently,
> because I don't seem to be able to. I'm using Netscape 2.02 (I can get
> ahold of 3.0 if I absolutely need to, but it hasn't worked either). As
> far as I know, there's nothing substandard about the browser I'm using.
> In any case, I can call up the opening screen just fine, I get the big,
> surrealistic picture in the main window, and the notice "now reading
> client file, please stand by." After that, nothing. I've waited from 5
> to 20 minutes for something to happen, and nothing has. Does anybody know
> what I'm doing wrong?
>
That was happening with Scam and myself when we didnt have Java set up
(and yes we had to use Macs to run java) so maybe thats your problem....
1) Did you make a new account?
2) -Could- you make a new account? (ie was the java applet visible?)

Thats all I can think of... except that even being in Australia it took a
fairly long time to load the pages... and there wasnt that much there yet.

Crucible

From:	The Crucible <crucible@******.MUR.CSU.EDU.AU>
Subject:	Re: shadowland
Date:	Sat, 9 Nov 1996 14:09:02 +1100

Message no. 49 > recently upgraded to Shadowland 4.0 written entirely in JavaScript. I was

One point I forgot to mention... it isnt JavaScript... its full-on
Java... therefore if you are set for JavaScript (ie Netscape 2.02) it
still isnt visible.... try netscape 3 and make sure you install java

From:	Spike <u5a77@*****.CS.KEELE.AC.UK>
Subject:	Re: shadowland
Date:	Sat, 9 Nov 1996 21:50:42 +0000

Message no. 50 |
|On Fri, 8 Nov 1996, Max Rible wrote:
|
|[snip]
|> I'd recommend using Netscape 3.0. You need to be on a 32-bit platform, so
|> if you're on Windows 3.1 or Windows for Warehouses, you're out of luck.
|>
|That must be my problem, then. We'll be getting Win95 this spring, but
|until then....
|Do you think it would run under XWindows?

<microsoft is crap>
No reason why it shouldn't....
And it'll probably be a hell of a lot more reliable then anything microsoft
can offer.....
</microsoft is crap>

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Message no. 51 Could someone do me a favor and tell me if shadowland is up....my server
is giving me "not responding" again

Czar Eggbert

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Message no. 52 Czar Eggbert writes:
>
> Could someone do me a favor and tell me if shadowland is up....my server
> is giving me "not responding" again

And, could someone tell me what Shadowland's address is? Thanks in advance...

Pete

Pete aka Spitfire
Test your might...
at http://www.geocities.com/TimesSquare/8920/index.html
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Carleton University
Email address: pdboddy@****.carleton.ca
Email address: bx955@*******.carleton.ca
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Message no. 53 Peter David Boddy wrote:
>
> Czar Eggbert writes:
> >
> > Could someone do me a favor and tell me if shadowland is up....my server
> > is giving me "not responding" again

<launches browser, and checks...>
Shadowland is down for upgrades/changes.

> And, could someone tell me what Shadowland's address is? Thanks in advance...

http://www.shadowland.org/index.html

--

Dvixen dvixen@********.com
"And I thought First Ones were rare." - Ivanova - Babylon 5
I have no sense of decency. That way, all my other senses are enhanced

Message no. 54 At 23:52 3/6/97 EST, Peter David Boddy wrote:
>Czar Eggbert writes:
>>
>> Could someone do me a favor and tell me if shadowland is up....my server
>> is giving me "not responding" again
>
>And, could someone tell me what Shadowland's address is? Thanks in
advance...

Shadowland is at http://207.77.72.155/ , which is www.shadowland.org for
those of you with really up-to-date DNS (like best.com); however, you may
get timeouts for a while until your DNS catches up. (I was a little worried
when "telnet www.shadowland.org 80" got "Connect: connection refused"
from
work and worked fine from my Best account, but then I checked the DNS and
found that they disagreed as to www.shadowland.org's address...)

Message no. 55 IM having real problems logging onto shadowland, I keep getting Unable
to connect to server errors, Ive now been trying for 3 weeks!
Any Ideas

Message no. 56 Just a question. Is there anyone on this list who also has access to
Shadowland? (that's www.shadowland.org, a web-based bbs for shadowrun
players) It's been in Java for a while now, so I haven't been able to
access it because my school doesn't have Java support. Anyways, there's
someone I need to contact who I can't reach except through there, so if
anyone has access to it, please contact me privately. tia

-Q

---------------------------------------
I dislike Windows95 for the same reason people dislike New Coke
It tastes disgustingly like Pepsi.

Scott "Q" Meyer
Scott.E.Meyer@*******.edu
http://johnh.wheaton.edu/~smeyer

Message no. 57 For those of you who have been waiting, I finally received the latest
(#7) issue of Shadowland last week....if you don't have it by now,
time to complain.

(BTW, nothing terribly interesting in this issue)

-=SwiftOne=-

Message no. 58 Brett Borger <bxb121@***.EDU> said:
> I finally received the latest (#7) issue of Shadowland last week
> (BTW, nothing terribly interesting in this issue)

The one thing I noticed about the issue is that finally are using a smaller
friggin' font. They still don't use smart quotes, though, which is
typically a sure sign that they known next to nothing about electronic
publishing. Sorry, pet peeve, especially since it takes all of five minutes
to convert them.

Way to much fiction, which the new editor rants about a bit.

Wordman

Message no. 59 Les Ward said on 10:25/22 Jan 98...

> The one thing I noticed about the issue is that finally are using a smaller
> friggin' font. They still don't use smart quotes, though, which is
> typically a sure sign that they known next to nothing about electronic
> publishing. Sorry, pet peeve, especially since it takes all of five minutes
> to convert them.

Tell the editor about it -- if he receives more than one comment about it
(i.e. more than just mine :) he might start to think about it...

> Way to much fiction, which the new editor rants about a bit.

Agreed. SL has always had too much fiction, I think, but if the new editor
feels the same way maybe it'll change.

--
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"Do we LOOK like secret agents?!"
-> NERPS Project Leader & Unofficial Shadowrun Guru <-
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Message no. 60 Brett Borger once dared to write,

in reference to the new issue of Shadowland
>(BTW, nothing terribly interesting in this issue)

I've felt that about the whole magazine. I still prize my issues of
KaGe and I'm still upset that Shadowland had to replace it. B>[#

<><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><>

"Boy, I'm in a bad mood today! Everyone had better steer clear of me! I
hate EVERYBODY! As far as I'm concerned, everyone on the planet can just
drop dead. People are scum.
.....
WELL-L-L? DOESN'T ANYONE WANT TO CHEER ME UP?!?"
-Calvin, Calvin and Hobbes
I am MC23

Message no. 61 Gurth said:
>Wordman said on 10:25/22 Jan 98...
>> They still don't use smart quotes, though

>Tell the editor about it -- if he receives more than one comment about it
>(i.e. more than just mine :) he might start to think about it...

I did several months. Well, I suppose the FAX I sent them may have been on
the cryptic side. Maybe the new editor will pay more attention.

Wordman

Message no. 62 MC23 wrote:
>
> Brett Borger once dared to write,
>
> in reference to the new issue of Shadowland
> >(BTW, nothing terribly interesting in this issue)
>
> I've felt that about the whole magazine. I still prize my issues of
> KaGe and I'm still upset that Shadowland had to replace it. B>[#
>
Snip snip...

By any chance are you willing to part with any of your KaGe issues.

If you are I am interested in # 2, 3, and 6.
If not I sorry for the interuption.

end of line.....

Message no. 63 > in reference to the new issue of Shadowland
> >(BTW, nothing terribly interesting in this issue)
>
> I've felt that about the whole magazine. I still prize my issues of
> KaGe and I'm still upset that Shadowland had to replace it. B>[#

My issue came with an offer to purchase books for several gaming
systems, including a few KaGe issues...are you missing any?

-=SwiftOne=-
Brett Borger
SwiftOne@***.edu
AAP Techie

Message no. 64 Does anyone know when www.shadowland.org will be opening up? Like, a
date or a week? Also, I KNOW there is some work being done on it...
check out: www.shadowland.org/users

Da Twink Daddy
bss03@*******.uark.edu
ICQ# 514984

Message no. 65 Okay runners, I'm going to try one more time before I give up on this and
stop wasting bandwidth,...

Does anyone know when Shadowland 6 (http://www.shadowland.org) comes back
online? This was always my favorite hangout for shadowrun stuff, and I was
wondering if someone here knew more.

Dennis

"Abashed the Devil stood,...and felt how awful Goodness is..."

Message no. 66 In a message dated 7/28/99 12:09:05 PM Eastern Daylight Time, dv8@********.nl
writes:

> Does anyone know when Shadowland 6 (http://www.shadowland.org) comes back
> online? This was always my favorite hangout for shadowrun stuff, and I was
> wondering if someone here knew more.
>
> Dennis
>

Not I. Sorry.

-Twist
"ACTS"

Message no. 67 In a message dated 7/28/99 12:09:05 PM Eastern Daylight Time, dv8@********.nl
writes:

> Does anyone know when Shadowland 6 (http://www.shadowland.org) comes back
> online? This was always my favorite hangout for shadowrun stuff, and I was
> wondering if someone here knew more.
>
From what I gather, until they can find a place to giv ethem a lot of room,
the Shadowland.org is dead in the water, from what I remember

Message no. 68 > > Does anyone know when Shadowland 6 (http://www.shadowland.org) comes
back
> > online? This was always my favorite hangout for shadowrun stuff, and I
was
> > wondering if someone here knew more.
> >
> >From what I gather, until they can find a place to giv ethem a lot of
room,
> the Shadowland.org is dead in the water, from what I remember

Crap,...this was one of the better sites out there, together with things
like deep resonance.

"Abashed the Devil stood,...and felt how awful Goodness is..."

Message no. 69 On 28 Jul 99, at 12:16, Twist0059@***.com wrote:

> > Does anyone know when Shadowland 6 (http://www.shadowland.org) comes
> > back
> > online? This was always my favorite hangout for shadowrun stuff, and I
> > was wondering if someone here knew more.
>
> Not I. Sorry.

Well, it says they'll return in July,.. but that's almost over. :-)

---
Okay, one shot means that Lone Star is coming.
Multiple shots means that Lone Star is coming,
but they didn't spot me first...
-- Smilin' Jack.

Nightshade, Human Racoon Shaman
or
Raven, Elven Irish Rigger with an attitude.

Darrell Bowman
darrell@******.dhr.state.nc.us

Message no. 70 Anybody else here interested in seeing shadowland come up? Evidently
there's some work being put into it because the image that was there last
time I checked isn't on the main page anymore. I can't even connect to
www.shadowland.org/users/ which used to have the message "Bad! You
shouldn'e be here. Go away."

Anyone know what's up?

Da Twink Daddy
e-mail: bss03@*******.uark.edu
ICQ: 514984

Message no. 71 Today, Da Twink Daddy spoke on Shadowland:

<Snip: My message>

Hrm, I don't have repro on, why did this come back to me?

Of course, I didn't send it from the address I'm subscribed to the list
under. Doesn't that mean the server *should have* rejected it?

Da Twink Daddy
e-mail: bss03@*******.uark.edu
ICQ: 514984

Message no. 72 > Anybody else here interested in seeing shadowland come up? Evidently
> there's some work being put into it because the image that was there last
> time I checked isn't on the main page anymore. I can't even connect to
> www.shadowland.org/users/ which used to have the message "Bad! You
> shouldn'e be here. Go away."
>
> Anyone know what's up?

Maybe it's finally in it's final stages of completion. I, for one, would be
glad when it's up again.

Dennis

"Abashed the Devil stood,...and felt how awful Goodness is,..."
- John Milton, Paradise Lost

Message no. 73 Dennis Steinmeijer wrote:

> > Anybody else here interested in seeing shadowland come up? Evidently
> > there's some work being put into it because the image that was there last
> > time I checked isn't on the main page anymore. I can't even connect to
> > www.shadowland.org/users/ which used to have the message "Bad! You
> > shouldn'e be here. Go away."
> >
> > Anyone know what's up?
>
> Maybe it's finally in it's final stages of completion. I, for one, would be
> glad when it's up again.
>
> Dennis
>
> "Abashed the Devil stood,...and felt how awful Goodness is,..."
> - John Milton, Paradise Lost

<public service announcement>
The nifty graphic is down because Dave can't type right now, and so plans have
been started to put SL6 back up. Go to www.egroups.com and find the
shadowland-users group and subscribe yourself, or read the Shadowland Seven
thread on the DR Forums
</public service announcement>

Wildfire

Message no. 74 >>From: bull@***********.com (Bull)
>>Date: Thu, 04 Nov 1999 09:53:01 -0500
>>
>>Heya :] I don;t have all my books handy, nor do I have all the
relevant
>>books, so I figured I'd survey the list real quick :]
>>
>>I'm looking for a few details on Shadowland. Specifically, how old
it is
>>(f they say) and any other info on the creation of it.
>>
>>Thanks :]
>>
>>Bull
>>--
>
>
>Pg. 75 Of the Denver "Red" book.
>
>>>>>>>(Seatle-based runners will recognize the name Shadowland as
>the branch of this underground network that extends up into the
Puget sound
>region. In fact, this branch is the direct decendant, as it were, of
the
>original Shadowland pirate BBS system, founded in Vancouver and moved
to
>Bellevue in 2003.)<<<<<<
> --Finnigan (13:47:00/5-24-55)
>
>Hope this is what you're looking for, if not hope it helps anyway.
>
>Ahrain

Do the GMs out there treat Shadowland as a Global PLTG with
teleporting SANs?

Thats the only way I can think of handling the network under canon
rules.

- -
Bruce <phantasm@****.co.za>

Give me reasons why the sun has to shine
why they murdered the noisy mime
tell me the answers to the puzzles of Poe
and sing me to sleep on the rivers of woe

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