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Message no. 1
From: Bull bull@***********.com
Subject: Shadowland (SR, not the web site)
Date: Thu, 04 Nov 1999 09:53:01 -0500
Heya :] I don;t have all my books handy, nor do I have all the relevant
books, so I figured I'd survey the list real quick :]

I'm looking for a few details on Shadowland. Specifically, how old it is
(f they say) and any other info on the creation of it.

Thanks :]

Bull
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Message no. 2
From: Lee Decker deckerl@******.com
Subject: Shadowland (SR, not the web site)
Date: Thu, 4 Nov 1999 09:54:52 -0500
>
>
> Heya :] I don;t have all my books handy, nor do I have all
> the relevant
> books, so I figured I'd survey the list real quick :]
>
> I'm looking for a few details on Shadowland. Specifically,
> how old it is
> (f they say) and any other info on the creation of it.
>

I think this is covered in the Denver Sourcebook about the Nexus. I don't
have it handy, but I remember the early incarnations of Shadowland existing
now, but it didn't truly come into its own and present incarnation, until
after the crash, when the Egg, Nexus etc tapped into
the new Matrix.
Message no. 3
From: David Yellope dyellope@*****.gis.net
Subject: Shadowland (SR, not the web site)
Date: Thu, 04 Nov 1999 15:12:59 GMT
On Thu, 4 Nov 1999 09:54:52 -0500 , you wrote:

>>
>>
>> Heya :] I don;t have all my books handy, nor do I have all
>> the relevant
>> books, so I figured I'd survey the list real quick :]
>>
>> I'm looking for a few details on Shadowland. Specifically,
>> how old it is
>> (f they say) and any other info on the creation of it.
>>
>
>I think this is covered in the Denver Sourcebook about the Nexus. I don't
>have it handy, but I remember the early incarnations of Shadowland existing
>now, but it didn't truly come into its own and present incarnation, until
>after the crash, when the Egg, Nexus etc tapped into
>the new Matrix.
>

Kinda sorta.. going off memory here..

The US had decided to quash that irritating idea known as "Free
speech" once again. But instead of being all draconian about it, they
were SNEAKY. They went to the academic institutions and quietly
promised continued government funding for academics , as long as they
were "responsible" for what their people put on the web/newsgroups,
and what TRANSITED through their servers.

The institutions couldn't take the 'Net piecemeal, so they cancelled
the whole thing, which of course is EXACTLY what the Government
wanted. As the number of "Hubs" available kept shrinking, the whole
thing became overloaded. However, a number of private nets stayed
together. Collectively, they were known as the Egg. They resisted all
government attempts to control/monitor the goings on.

This, of course, had the government in such a tizzy that their frilly
little undergarments were tied in a knot. Especially since
Hacker/Anarchy/Warez sites were such a big part of it, some with
Neo-Anarchist leanings, such as a board called Shadowland. The
government decided to take direct action in an attempt to make the
rest bow to government authority.

They found an access code to Shadowland and cruised on in, intent on
finding it's physical location as well as trashing/tapping everything
ON the board. However, the government was in for a rude shock, as
primitive IC left them with smoking computers and egg on their face.
They decided NOT to publicly hunt for Shadowland, as it would be
tantamount to admitting that they couldn't control things.

However, those who were in the know heard of SL's defense and quietly
contacted them and learned how to do the same things. Since then, it's
been trouble for authorites, be they corporate or governmental in
nature. However, the prevailing wisdom is to use it to the fullest,
since taking it down now would require a nuke, and even then, it's
believed that they have some last ditch core weapon that would
recreate the Crash of 29.

Hope this helped

There is No Lumber Cartel..And I am NOT Member #01538

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Message no. 4
From: Mockingbird mockingbird@*********.com
Subject: Shadowland (SR, not the web site)
Date: Thu, 4 Nov 1999 09:55:01 -0600
----- Original Message -----
From: Bull <bull@***********.com>
To: <shadowrn@*********.org>
Sent: Thursday, November 04, 1999 08:53 AM
Subject: Shadowland (SR, not the web site)


> Heya :] I don;t have all my books handy, nor do I have all the
relevant
> books, so I figured I'd survey the list real quick :]
>
> I'm looking for a few details on Shadowland. Specifically, how old
it is
> (f they say) and any other info on the creation of it.
>
> Thanks :]
>
> Bull
> --
> Bull -- The Best Ork Decker You Never Met
> bull@*******.net == bull22@***********.com == bull@***********.com
> http://shadowrun.html.com/users/bull
> ICQ: 35931890
>

Don't have my books nearby, but this is what I remember. Shadowland
originated from the pirate Internet sites of today. They used proxies
and rerouters to connect to each other. When the crash of '29 occured,
due to the number of layers they had put between them and the Internet,
most of them had time to disconnect before it affected their systems.

Mockingbird
Message no. 5
From: Ahrain Drigar ahrain_drigar@*******.com
Subject: Shadowland (SR, not the web site)
Date: Thu, 04 Nov 1999 12:14:03 EST
>From: bull@***********.com (Bull)
>Subject: Shadowland (SR, not the web site)
>Date: Thu, 04 Nov 1999 09:53:01 -0500
>
>Heya :] I don;t have all my books handy, nor do I have all the relevant
>books, so I figured I'd survey the list real quick :]
>
>I'm looking for a few details on Shadowland. Specifically, how old it is
>(f they say) and any other info on the creation of it.
>
>Thanks :]
>
>Bull
>--


Pg. 75 Of the Denver "Red" book.

>>>>>>(Seatle-based runners will recognize the name Shadowland as the
branch
>>>>>>of this underground network that extends up into the Puget sound
>>>>>>region. In fact, this branch is the direct decendant, as it were,
of
>>>>>>the original Shadowland pirate BBS system, founded in Vancouver
and
>>>>>>moved to Bellevue in 2003.)<<<<<<
--Finnigan (13:47:00/5-24-55)

Hope this is what you're looking for, if not hope it helps anyway.

Ahrain

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Message no. 6
From: Ahrain Drigar ahrain_drigar@*******.com
Subject: Shadowland (SR, not the web site)
Date: Fri, 05 Nov 1999 21:46:40 EST
>From: bull@***********.com (Bull)
>Date: Thu, 04 Nov 1999 09:53:01 -0500
>
>Heya :] I don;t have all my books handy, nor do I have all the relevant
>books, so I figured I'd survey the list real quick :]
>
>I'm looking for a few details on Shadowland. Specifically, how old it is
>(f they say) and any other info on the creation of it.
>
>Thanks :]
>
>Bull
>--


Pg. 75 Of the Denver "Red" book.

>>>>>>(Seatle-based runners will recognize the name Shadowland as
the branch of this underground network that extends up into the Puget sound
region. In fact, this branch is the direct decendant, as it were, of the
original Shadowland pirate BBS system, founded in Vancouver and moved to
Bellevue in 2003.)<<<<<<
--Finnigan (13:47:00/5-24-55)

Hope this is what you're looking for, if not hope it helps anyway.

Ahrain



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Message no. 7
From: Bruce iti03678@****.co.za
Subject: Shadowland (SR, not the web site)
Date: Tue, 9 Nov 1999 22:35:55 +0200
-----Original Message-----
From: Ahrain Drigar <ahrain_drigar@*******.com>
To: shadowrn@*********.org <shadowrn@*********.org>
Date: 06 November 1999 04:49
Subject: Re: Shadowland (SR, not the web site)


>>From: bull@***********.com (Bull)
>>Date: Thu, 04 Nov 1999 09:53:01 -0500
>>
>>Heya :] I don;t have all my books handy, nor do I have all the
relevant
>>books, so I figured I'd survey the list real quick :]
>>
>>I'm looking for a few details on Shadowland. Specifically, how old
it is
>>(f they say) and any other info on the creation of it.
>>
>>Thanks :]
>>
>>Bull
>>--
>
>
>Pg. 75 Of the Denver "Red" book.
>
>>>>>>>(Seatle-based runners will recognize the name Shadowland as
>the branch of this underground network that extends up into the
Puget sound
>region. In fact, this branch is the direct decendant, as it were, of
the
>original Shadowland pirate BBS system, founded in Vancouver and moved
to
>Bellevue in 2003.)<<<<<<
> --Finnigan (13:47:00/5-24-55)
>
>Hope this is what you're looking for, if not hope it helps anyway.
>
>Ahrain

Do the GMs out there treat Shadowland as a Global PLTG with
teleporting SANs?

Thats the only way I can think of handling the network under canon
rules.

- -
Bruce <phantasm@****.co.za>

Give me reasons why the sun has to shine
why they murdered the noisy mime
tell me the answers to the puzzles of Poe
and sing me to sleep on the rivers of woe
Message no. 8
From: Bruce iti03678@****.co.za
Subject: Shadowland (SR, not the web site)
Date: Tue, 9 Nov 1999 22:35:55 +0200
-----Original Message-----
From: Ahrain Drigar <ahrain_drigar@*******.com>
To: shadowrn@*********.org <shadowrn@*********.org>
Date: 06 November 1999 04:49
Subject: Re: Shadowland (SR, not the web site)


>>From: bull@***********.com (Bull)
>>Date: Thu, 04 Nov 1999 09:53:01 -0500
>>
>>Heya :] I don;t have all my books handy, nor do I have all the
relevant
>>books, so I figured I'd survey the list real quick :]
>>
>>I'm looking for a few details on Shadowland. Specifically, how old
it is
>>(f they say) and any other info on the creation of it.
>>
>>Thanks :]
>>
>>Bull
>>--
>
>
>Pg. 75 Of the Denver "Red" book.
>
>>>>>>>(Seatle-based runners will recognize the name Shadowland as
>the branch of this underground network that extends up into the
Puget sound
>region. In fact, this branch is the direct decendant, as it were, of
the
>original Shadowland pirate BBS system, founded in Vancouver and moved
to
>Bellevue in 2003.)<<<<<<
> --Finnigan (13:47:00/5-24-55)
>
>Hope this is what you're looking for, if not hope it helps anyway.
>
>Ahrain

Do the GMs out there treat Shadowland as a Global PLTG with
teleporting SANs?

Thats the only way I can think of handling the network under canon
rules.

- -
Bruce <phantasm@****.co.za>

Give me reasons why the sun has to shine
why they murdered the noisy mime
tell me the answers to the puzzles of Poe
and sing me to sleep on the rivers of woe
Message no. 9
From: Ereskanti@***.com Ereskanti@***.com
Subject: Shadowland (SR, not the web site)
Date: Wed, 10 Nov 1999 10:39:28 EST
In a message dated 11/10/1999 4:23:32 AM US Eastern Standard Time,
iti03678@****.co.za writes:

> Do the GMs out there treat Shadowland as a Global PLTG with
> teleporting SANs?
>
> Thats the only way I can think of handling the network under canon
> rules.

In a word, No.

It's a moving PLTG of sorts, yes, but it operates backdoors that are
constantly being moved in order to have system remain secure. You still have
to know the "address" in order to find the site itself at any given time in
our games.

-K
[Hoosier Hacker House]
[http://members.aol.com/hhackerh/index.html]
ICQ#-51511837

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