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Message no. 1
From: Wordman <wordman@*******.COM>
Subject: ShadowRN vs. rec.games.frp.cyber
Date: Mon, 29 Jun 1998 19:57:14 -0400
It seems clear that ShadowRN is now the main forum for Shadowrun on the
internet. This was not always the case (rec.games.frp.cyber was the main
place for a while), and I'm curious as to why it changed. Do people find
the mailing interface better? Is it because most people can't access news?
Is the conversation just better (well, now it is, but was it before)? What
do you think?

To be honest, I think mailing lists are a classic case of using the wrong
tool for the job, much like attaching files to e-mail instead of using ftp.
I first signed onto this list long ago, before it moved to iTribe, and just
couln't stand the clutter. I rely on e-mail for non-gaming purposes, and
filtering through it all was just far to annoying, so I unsubscribed.
Granted, this was back when I used elm on a Unix terminal, but even with a
modern mailer with decent filtering, the only way I can even tolerate the
interface is by keeping a second e-mail address just for the list. I miss
features from my newsreader on a daily basis (in particular the "skip
thread" command, and having filters do hiliting). I get the impression that
I'm the only one bothered by this.

Agh! Ranting. Sorry.

Wordman
Message no. 2
From: Robert Watkins <robert.watkins@******.COM>
Subject: Re: ShadowRN vs. rec.games.frp.cyber
Date: Tue, 30 Jun 1998 10:24:52 +1000
Wordman writes:
> It seems clear that ShadowRN is now the main forum for Shadowrun on the
> internet. This was not always the case (rec.games.frp.cyber was the main
> place for a while), and I'm curious as to why it changed. Do people find
> the mailing interface better? Is it because most people can't access news?
> Is the conversation just better (well, now it is, but was it before)? What
> do you think?

We don't have to put up with the CP2020 talk... that's mainly it. :) Also,
mailing lists build a better sense of community in many cases than
newsgroups (they are harder to find, but most new netizens would be hard
pressed to find a newsgroup, too...) Also, there's probably the shameless
plugging of ShadowRN by most of the better SR related websites, while almost
no-one mentions rgfc.

> To be honest, I think mailing lists are a classic case of using the wrong
> tool for the job, much like attaching files to e-mail instead of
> using ftp.
> I first signed onto this list long ago, before it moved to
> iTribe, and just
> couln't stand the clutter. I rely on e-mail for non-gaming purposes, and
> filtering through it all was just far to annoying, so I unsubscribed.
> Granted, this was back when I used elm on a Unix terminal, but even with a
> modern mailer with decent filtering, the only way I can even tolerate the
> interface is by keeping a second e-mail address just for the list. I miss
> features from my newsreader on a daily basis (in particular the "skip
> thread" command, and having filters do hiliting). I get the
> impression that
> I'm the only one bothered by this.

Get an emailer that can handle threads. elm could do it on Unix (AFAIR...
it's been a while), but there are a couple on the Mac and Windoze worlds
too. Much as I don't like plugging a MS product, Outlook Express handles
threads fairly well (except it gets confused about changes in the subject,
even to the point of classing followups in a seperate thread to the main
post). It can do hiliting too.

For myself, using Outlook, I have all my Shadowrn mail placed in a seperate
folder where it doesn't worry me. :)

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the Universe together.
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Message no. 3
From: Bull <chaos@*****.COM>
Subject: Re: ShadowRN vs. rec.games.frp.cyber
Date: Mon, 29 Jun 1998 22:05:56 -0400
At 07:57 PM 6/29/98 -0400, Wordman wrote these timeless words:
>It seems clear that ShadowRN is now the main forum for Shadowrun on the
>internet. This was not always the case (rec.games.frp.cyber was the main
>place for a while), and I'm curious as to why it changed. Do people find
>the mailing interface better? Is it because most people can't access news?
>Is the conversation just better (well, now it is, but was it before)? What
>do you think?
>
I know for me, it's a lot quicker and easier to use E-mail. I monitored
the newsgroup for a while, but between a slow computer and the lack of what
I considered a decent newsreader (This was about a year and a half ago, and
I was still using a 47 MB HD :) So d'loading a reader other than Netscape
was impossible), it wasn;t worth my time.

And I think it is still easier to to use E-mail than Newsproups (Especially
for dummy newbies like I was :)).

I also think the converse is better :] I know that some Mailing Lists
thrive while the corresponding groups die, while for some Newsgroups they
flourish and the mailers die out. I think it's often a matter of who's
around.

>To be honest, I think mailing lists are a classic case of using the wrong
>tool for the job, much like attaching files to e-mail instead of using ftp.
>I first signed onto this list long ago, before it moved to iTribe, and just
>couln't stand the clutter. I rely on e-mail for non-gaming purposes, and
>filtering through it all was just far to annoying, so I unsubscribed.
>Granted, this was back when I used elm on a Unix terminal, but even with a
>modern mailer with decent filtering, the only way I can even tolerate the
>interface is by keeping a second e-mail address just for the list. I miss
>features from my newsreader on a daily basis (in particular the "skip
>thread" command, and having filters do hiliting). I get the impression that
>I'm the only one bothered by this.
>
>Agh! Ranting. Sorry.
>
No problem :] You're allowed to :]

Anyways, depending on the e-mail program you're using you can do all those
features, for the most part. My mailer has multiple filters and boxes set
up so that all my mail goes in the right spot (Keeping my in box free for
personal mail and SPAM :)). I can also sort according to Thread Header and
do a nice click/drag/highlight 50 mails and delete them all at once. :]

I highly reccomend Eudora Pro 3.0 :] Nice, simple mailer :]

Bull
Message no. 4
From: Matb <mbreton@**.NETCOM.COM>
Subject: Re: ShadowRN vs. rec.games.frp.cyber
Date: Tue, 30 Jun 1998 07:56:24 -0700
Wordman wrote:

> It seems clear that ShadowRN is now the main forum for Shadowrun on the
> internet. This was not always the case (rec.games.frp.cyber was the main
> place for a while), and I'm curious as to why it changed. Do people find
> the mailing interface better? Is it because most people can't access news?
> Is the conversation just better (well, now it is, but was it before)? What
> do you think?

rgf.cyber also gets caught up in the "Is Shadowrun Cyberpunk" (ie, SR v.
cp2020) flamewars, which drives a lot of people away.

> To be honest, I think mailing lists are a classic case of using the wrong
> tool for the job,

Y'know, I've never heard it better. What's driving a lot of games these
days is, honestly, *community* - the sense that you and several hundred
other people are all playing the same game - living in the same
alternate universe. That's why LARPs are so popular, at any rate.

There are definite advantages to having a Usenet group -- for starters,
its easier to find for the newly connected. I think that having threads
more-or-less publicly aired is also good for the company - this is one
area where SRTCG really needs to improve.

> Agh! Ranting. Sorry.

Nah. Don't worry about it. (Then again, I'm one of the guys that
agrees with you.)


- Matt

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Message no. 5
From: MC23 <mc23@**********.COM>
Subject: Re: ShadowRN vs. rec.games.frp.cyber
Date: Mon, 29 Jun 1998 22:31:08 -0400
I came from rec.games.frp.cyber before I coming to this list and I'm
never going back. Never, man. You can't make me. Why? let me count the
ways.

1.Quality of members
2.Subject focus
3.my software handles mail better than usenet
4.new improved flavor
5.money saving coupons
23.What ever else I forgot


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Message no. 6
From: Avenger <Avenger@*******.DEMON.CO.UK>
Subject: Re: ShadowRN vs. rec.games.frp.cyber
Date: Tue, 30 Jun 1998 01:36:11 +0100
In article <l03110700b1bdd6a91446@[100.100.100.10]>, Wordman
<wordman@*******.COM> writes
>It seems clear that ShadowRN is now the main forum for Shadowrun on the
>internet. This was not always the case (rec.games.frp.cyber was the main
>place for a while),

frp.cyber is still fairly busy with SR conversations, but certainly not
to the extent it was quite a while ago.

>and I'm curious as to why it changed. Do people find
>the mailing interface better? Is it because most people can't access news?
>Is the conversation just better (well, now it is, but was it before)? What
>do you think?

I can't really comment, but I'm going to. :) My mailer allows me to set
up a mailing list /as/ a newsgroup, so I get the full facility of
threading and suchlike, as you'd expect to find in newsgroup. Why it's
become the most popular forum I don't know. Perhaps because the
newsgroup can be rather hostile to Shadowrun, in as much as the die hard
CP players object to it's presence and object to the nature of the
system. Also, the newsgroup title - rec.games.frp.cyber does not
really indicate that it's Shadowrun. (You may have seen the argument
earlier this year when silly twit got upset over having Shadowrun
labelled as part of the Cyberpunk genre.) :)

Also, with new people joining the internet all the time, their first
experience of the thing is the WWW, not Usenet. A Shadowrun fan,
logging into the net calls up a search engine, types in Shadowrun, and a
couple thousand results come up. Quite a few of those sites mention the
"Shadowrun Mailing List" but not frp.cyber. So, as a result of their
web searching, they find the mailing list, they have yet to explore the
wonders of Usenet, and the discussion groups that reside there.

The other thing that I particularly like about the mailing list forum,
is the facility to access logs. Mark stores the logs for the lists back
to the old Herne days, which means that it's relatively easy to download
the things and go digging through for interesting articles. :) Usenet
has that rather tedious place known as Deja News, which will give all
sorts of replies and not always results that are wanted.

Why is the Shadowrun Mailing List more popular than frp.cyber?

Because it's friendly.
Because FASA hangs out here.
Because the people here are interested in the game Shadowrun, and don't
have to compete with other game systems.
Because new people to the net don't understand Usenet.

And finally, because it's relatively easy to access and it's relatively
easy to find.

At least, in my opinion. :)

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Message no. 7
From: Blaze <Blaze@*******.DEMON.CO.UK>
Subject: Re: ShadowRN vs. rec.games.frp.cyber
Date: Tue, 30 Jun 1998 03:49:05 +0100
In article <l03110700b1bdd6a91446@[100.100.100.10]>, Wordman
<wordman@*******.COM> writes
>It seems clear that ShadowRN is now the main forum for Shadowrun on the
>internet. This was not always the case (rec.games.frp.cyber was the main
>place for a while), and I'm curious as to why it changed. Do people find
>the mailing interface better? Is it because most people can't access news?
>Is the conversation just better (well, now it is, but was it before)? What
>do you think?

I prefer it. There's something more personal about a mailing list like
Shadowrun than there is about the newsgroup. For example, the few times
I posted in this list last year there was a considerable response to my
questions, on frp.cyber - silence except for a couple of people. That
wasn't very friendly... :)

But seriously, this forum it's almost like you're talking to people. A
newsgroup is so much more impersonal, and I don't know, disconnected
somehow.

The general mentality of the people in this list is different to the
newsgroups as well, there's more of a "fun" atmosphere, although that
might just be the way I interpret it. Well, there's a heck of a lot
less flaming here for starters. And no Dana. <grin>

Also, I don't know about anyone else, but e-mail comes down a heck of a
lot faster than news - at least here it does anyway. There's also the
possibility that frp.cyber isn't carried by that many providers. We're
quite lucky here in the UK, there's something like 28,000+ newsgroups
carried by the ISP I connect through, but how many others carry that
many? Or would want to?

>Agh! Ranting. Sorry.

Why apologise? It's not like you're the only one who does that. :)

--
Blaze
http://www.fortunecity.com/rivendell/angband/317/index.htm
Shadowrun: rants and a whole bunch of other stuff.
Message no. 8
From: Nexx Many-Scars <Nexx3@***.COM>
Subject: Re: ShadowRN vs. rec.games.frp.cyber
Date: Tue, 30 Jun 1998 00:09:06 EDT
In a message dated 29/06/98 22:00:37 Central Daylight Time,
Avenger@*******.DEMON.CO.UK writes:

> Because it's friendly.
> Because FASA hangs out here.
> Because the people here are interested in the game Shadowrun, and don't
> have to compete with other game systems.
> Because new people to the net don't understand Usenet.
>
> And finally, because it's relatively easy to access and it's relatively
> easy to find.

Don't forget that its more difficult to SPAM... sure, it can be done, but its
harder to do (and we can keep out those who try).

Nexx
Message no. 9
From: Matt Penn <steelclaw@****.COM>
Subject: Re: ShadowRN vs. rec.games.frp.cyber
Date: Tue, 30 Jun 1998 00:15:29 -0400
On Tue, 30 Jun 1998 03:49:05 +0100 Blaze <Blaze@*******.DEMON.CO.UK>
writes:

>I prefer it. There's something more personal about a mailing list like
Shadowrun >than there is about the newsgroup. For example, the few times
I posted in this list >last year there was a considerable response to my
questions, on frp.cyber - silence >except for a couple of people. That
wasn't very friendly... :)

That's why I signed on here. I've tried some newsgroups, mainly for WW,
and if you get on one of them, who cares? But, I get on here, introduce
myself, and you guys made me feel welcome or at least, 'We know you're
here, so don't screw up.' <g> I also really, really, really like having
an administrator.

>The general mentality of the people in this list is different to the
newsgroups as well, >there's more of a "fun" atmosphere, although that
might just be the way I interpret it. >Well, there's a heck of a lot
less flaming here for starters. And no Dana. <grin>

There's also a lot less of "I've got an ork merc who can beat your dwarf
bodyguard any day!!!" type deal. Which I also like.

-Matt, Ork at Large
(webpage coming soon, I hope)

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Message no. 10
From: Spike <u5a77@*****.CS.KEELE.AC.UK>
Subject: Re: ShadowRN vs. rec.games.frp.cyber
Date: Tue, 30 Jun 1998 13:36:58 +0100
And verily, did Wordman hastily scribble thusly...
|
|It seems clear that ShadowRN is now the main forum for Shadowrun on the
|internet. This was not always the case (rec.games.frp.cyber was the main
|place for a while), and I'm curious as to why it changed. Do people find
|the mailing interface better? Is it because most people can't access news?
|Is the conversation just better (well, now it is, but was it before)? What
|do you think?

Well... Here, we're just one bif happy family. We have the odd little tiff
from time to time, but that's it.

rec.games.frp.cyber can be a bunch of rabble, with a few regulars holding
it together, and as it includes cyberpunk and all the other cyber-games,
most of the stuff is irrelevant to shadowrun anyway.

I used to subscribe, but there was never much on shadowrun there.
(AFAIK, shadowrn has always been the premier shadowrun group, and I've been
on for 3 years nearly)
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Message no. 11
From: Spike <u5a77@*****.CS.KEELE.AC.UK>
Subject: Re: ShadowRN vs. rec.games.frp.cyber
Date: Tue, 30 Jun 1998 13:40:29 +0100
And verily, did Robert Watkins hastily scribble thusly...
|Get an emailer that can handle threads. elm could do it on Unix (AFAIR...
|it's been a while),

Alas, no. ELM can't handle threads. You just get an jumble of messages.
Besides, threading isn't one of the features of e-mail.
In news, you have a references line in the header that newsreaders can use
to sort things into threads in the correct order.

Not so in e-mail. Although I suppose some mailers can sort by subject and do
it that way....

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Message no. 12
From: Lehlan Decker <decker@****.FSU.EDU>
Subject: Re: ShadowRN vs. rec.games.frp.cyber
Date: Tue, 30 Jun 1998 08:45:36 -0500
>
> To be honest, I think mailing lists are a classic case of using the wrong
> tool for the job, much like attaching files to e-mail instead of using ftp.
> I first signed onto this list long ago, before it moved to iTribe, and just
> couln't stand the clutter. I rely on e-mail for non-gaming purposes, and
> filtering through it all was just far to annoying, so I unsubscribed.
> Granted, this was back when I used elm on a Unix terminal, but even with a
> modern mailer with decent filtering, the only way I can even tolerate the
> interface is by keeping a second e-mail address just for the list. I miss
> features from my newsreader on a daily basis (in particular the "skip
> thread" command, and having filters do hiliting). I get the impression that
> I'm the only one bothered by this.
>
I can work with you on this one. But unless you have a moderated usenet
group, I'd prefer a mailing list, it keeps the riffraff out.
(And some usenet groups, just aren't carried by certain people).

I used to only read the group in digest, until I switched to a unix mailer
that could handle threads better. (I love mutt). Due to some firewall issues
I'm back to elm with procmail filtering. Works well, but more trouble
then alot of people want to deal with.


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Message no. 13
From: Tim Kerby <drekhead@***.NET>
Subject: Re: ShadowRN vs. rec.games.frp.cyber
Date: Tue, 30 Jun 1998 09:19:03 -0400
On 30 Jun 98, at 3:49, Blaze wrote:

> I prefer it. There's something more personal about a mailing list like
> Shadowrun than there is about the newsgroup. For example, the few times I
> posted in this list last year there was a considerable response to my
> questions, on frp.cyber - silence except for a couple of people. That
> wasn't very friendly... :)

My experience as well, with other newsgroups though. I've never
accessed frp.cyber. If you do the slightest thing that makes you come
off as a newbie, your ignored or flamed. And asking a question, any
question, seems to label you as a newbie.

> But seriously, this forum it's almost like you're talking to people. A
> newsgroup is so much more impersonal, and I don't know, disconnected
> somehow.

This mailing list definitely has more personality than any other list
or newsgroup I have ever been a part of, and I've been on lists for
15 or more years, going back to the BBS days, and FIDO nets.

> The general mentality of the people in this list is different to the
> newsgroups as well, there's more of a "fun" atmosphere, although that
> might just be the way I interpret it.

No, like I said, that is how I feel too. I genuinely like most of the
people on this list. A few I consider friends. I've never felt that
connected before. I would never have entertained the possibility of
having someone in my home or spending a weekend with people from
other list or newsgroups I have been on, but I am doing it with
people from this list.

Now that I think about it, that is probably why we periodically have
a higher noise to signal ratio. How many times have you gotten
together with your gaming group, only to spend most of the time
talking and joking around? When people that like each other get
together, things like that happen.

I'm done being sentimental now... :)

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Message no. 14
From: Lehlan Decker <decker@****.FSU.EDU>
Subject: Re: ShadowRN vs. rec.games.frp.cyber
Date: Tue, 30 Jun 1998 09:52:44 -0500
>
> On 30 Jun 98, at 3:49, Blaze wrote:
>
<SNIP>
>
> My experience as well, with other newsgroups though. I've never
> accessed frp.cyber. If you do the slightest thing that makes you come
> off as a newbie, your ignored or flamed. And asking a question, any
> question, seems to label you as a newbie.
>
This isn't just frp.cyber. Alot of newsgroups are like that. I read
quite a few, but very rarily ever post for that reason.


> > But seriously, this forum it's almost like you're talking to people. A
> > newsgroup is so much more impersonal, and I don't know, disconnected
> > somehow.
>
> This mailing list definitely has more personality than any other list
> or newsgroup I have ever been a part of, and I've been on lists for
> 15 or more years, going back to the BBS days, and FIDO nets.
>
Heh....I don't feel so old now. I remember hosting an SR sub on
my BBS many many many moons ago. :) And when we started our own network,
and had a networked SR sub, we thought we were hot shit. :)

> > The general mentality of the people in this list is different to the
> > newsgroups as well, there's more of a "fun" atmosphere, although that
> > might just be the way I interpret it.
>
> No, like I said, that is how I feel too. I genuinely like most of the
> people on this list. A few I consider friends. I've never felt that
> connected before. I would never have entertained the possibility of
> having someone in my home or spending a weekend with people from
> other list or newsgroups I have been on, but I am doing it with
> people from this list.
>
> Now that I think about it, that is probably why we periodically have
> a higher noise to signal ratio. How many times have you gotten
> together with your gaming group, only to spend most of the time
> talking and joking around? When people that like each other get
> together, things like that happen.
>
Heh..wonderful analogy. This list is very very similiar to a good RPG
group. We bounce ideas off each other, hang out together, and frequently
go OT, only to be called to order by the GM (Gridsec) :).
When I log on each morning, I look forward to see what is going on.
I can't say that for newsgroups, where the signal to noise ratio's
are far far far far worse.
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Message no. 15
From: John E Pederson <pedersje@******.ROSE-HULMAN.EDU>
Subject: Re: ShadowRN vs. rec.games.frp.cyber
Date: Tue, 30 Jun 1998 10:05:58 -0500
Wordman wrote:
>
> It seems clear that ShadowRN is now the main forum for Shadowrun on the
> internet. This was not always the case (rec.games.frp.cyber was the main
> place for a while), and I'm curious as to why it changed. Do people find
> the mailing interface better? Is it because most people can't access news?
> Is the conversation just better (well, now it is, but was it before)? What
> do you think?

Ooh! He's soliciting opinions! :)
For one thing, there's less spam and less really wacked ideas. Doesn't mean we
don't have our share of newbies, munchkins, etc (not that either is necessarily
a bad thing -- just something to grow out of;), but the general list atmosphere
discourages a lot of that. In Usenet, it's a free-for-all, at least in rgfc.
Other nice things about the list is the lack of commercial spam (which isn't to
say that it doesn't happen on occasion anyway, but it's infinitely less likely
than it is in Usenet). We don't have trolls (well, usually) and the folks here
are usually a lot more friendly/helpful/easy-to-get-along-with than the standard
Usenet citizen. And no matter how bad the signal to noise gets here, it probably
still averages out below the one for rgfc. As far as interface, I've used Juno,
AOHell and (at the moment) Netscape Messenger to access the list in the past ...
uh... long time:) (nearly two years... wow!) and as far as it goes, Messenger
has been the only one with an even reasonably decent mail interface (bear in
mind that having seen folks using Outlook and having problems with it I will
never touch Outlook, and that I don't want to download Eudora Lite if it can't
also read news). And any way you look at it, ShadowRN is still a good deal.
Hell, I think I was actually pointed in this direction *way* before I actually
signed on by one of the listmembers at the time (I think that was pre-iTribe,
but I'm not sure).

> To be honest, I think mailing lists are a classic case of using the wrong
> tool for the job, much like attaching files to e-mail instead of using ftp.

Probably, but Usenet is so clogged with crap and just plain garbage to make
nearly useless anyway. And when you want to send a file to one or two people, it
can be lots easier for people on each end to e-mail it rather than ftping it
somewhere. It really has nothing to do with what the tool was intended to do (or
even necessarily what it should do) but with what people want to do with it. So
long as the capabilities exist, people will use them.

> I first signed onto this list long ago, before it moved to iTribe, and just
> couln't stand the clutter. I rely on e-mail for non-gaming purposes, and
> filtering through it all was just far to annoying, so I unsubscribed.

<g> I'm just getting used to even having filters! They're wonderful things:) I
can separate ShadowRN into one folder, delete unwanted spam, and keep personal
mail in the main box and not have to do a thing. It's great:)

> Granted, this was back when I used elm on a Unix terminal, but even with a
> modern mailer with decent filtering, the only way I can even tolerate the
> interface is by keeping a second e-mail address just for the list. I miss
> features from my newsreader on a daily basis (in particular the "skip
> thread" command, and having filters do hiliting). I get the impression that
> I'm the only one bothered by this.

I only got something better than the AOL newsreader when I came to college. I'm
still impressed at being able to do nifty things like thread messages:) OTOH,
since I use the same proggy for news and mail, it can thread messages on the
list as well (and ignore threads, use filters to flag messages, etc).

> Agh! Ranting. Sorry.

De nada. We're all allowed that kind of thing every so often anyway:)

> Wordman

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Message no. 16
From: Adam J <fro@***.AB.CA>
Subject: Re: ShadowRN vs. rec.games.frp.cyber
Date: Tue, 30 Jun 1998 10:44:51 -0600
At 19:57 29/06/98 -0400, you wrote:
>It seems clear that ShadowRN is now the main forum for Shadowrun on the
>internet. This was not always the case (rec.games.frp.cyber was the main
>place for a while), and I'm curious as to why it changed. Do people find
>the mailing interface better? Is it because most people can't access news?
>Is the conversation just better (well, now it is, but was it before)? What
>do you think?

Spam sucks. I subscribe to r.g.f.c, but rarely read more than 25% of the
posts. Most people are too busy flaming Dana Jorgenson and calling him a
her than to post anything useful.

ShadowRN has a better profile, as a fair number of the good pages online
recommend it, and it is much less prone to twonks and f*ckwits running
rampant.

I can block someone from ShadowRN if he's a twit. At best on any usenet
group I can killfile them.

>To be honest, I think mailing lists are a classic case of using the wrong
>tool for the job, much like attaching files to e-mail instead of using ftp.

Your habit of posting me URLs instead of emailing me files is much
appreciated, Les :)

>I first signed onto this list long ago, before it moved to iTribe, and just
>couln't stand the clutter. I rely on e-mail for non-gaming purposes, and
>filtering through it all was just far to annoying, so I unsubscribed.
>Granted, this was back when I used elm on a Unix terminal, but even with a
>modern mailer with decent filtering, the only way I can even tolerate the
>interface is by keeping a second e-mail address just for the list. I miss
>features from my newsreader on a daily basis (in particular the "skip
>thread" command, and having filters do hiliting). I get the impression that
>I'm the only one bothered by this.

I think you are. Eudora 3.0.5 can nicely filter all the mails to a
seperate folder, highlite teh ones from certain people or with certain
topics, trash ones with certain topics or from certain people. About the
only thing it can't do is "skip entire thread", but that's not that hard to
do manually.

Plus, I feel a hell of a lot closer to the people on RN than I do on any
newsgroup. It's just alot more friendly in general, you're less likely to
run into mis-directed flames, less spam, less twits.

Oh, and none of those "Cyberpunk is k00|_ ShadowRun (Spelling intentional
for those of you not paying attention at home) sucks its got magic thats
not cyberpunk!" idiots.

-Adam
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Message no. 17
From: Erik Jameson <erikj@****.COM>
Subject: Re: ShadowRN vs. rec.games.frp.cyber
Date: Tue, 30 Jun 1998 12:53:09 -0400
At 01:36 AM 6/30/98 +0100, you wrote:

>And finally, because it's relatively easy to access and it's relatively
>easy to find.

And therein lies the key to the success of ShadowRN and the other itribe
(formerly hearn) mailing lists.

It's terribly easy to do. Right now, e-mail is still the "killer ap" of
the Internet and seeminly everyone has it. There are even some individuals
who *only* have access to e-mail from their provider (that's all they
signed up for) so anything but a mailing list is out of the question.

Back in the day, when I first subscribed (1993 I think) RN was sort of the
younger step-child of the the discussion groups for Shadowrun. Not so
anymore.

Erik J.


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Message no. 18
From: Alfredo B Alves <dghost@****.COM>
Subject: Re: ShadowRN vs. rec.games.frp.cyber
Date: Tue, 30 Jun 1998 10:28:09 -0500
On Tue, 30 Jun 1998 13:40:29 +0100 Spike <u5a77@*****.CS.KEELE.AC.UK>
writes:
>And verily, did Robert Watkins hastily scribble thusly...
>|Get an emailer that can handle threads. elm could do it on Unix
(AFAIR...
>|it's been a while),

>Alas, no. ELM can't handle threads. You just get an jumble of messages.
>Besides, threading isn't one of the features of e-mail.
>In news, you have a references line in the header that newsreaders can
use
>to sort things into threads in the correct order.
>
>Not so in e-mail. Although I suppose some mailers can sort by subject
and do
>it that way....
>
>--
<SNIP Sig>
>|Andrew Halliwell
<SNIP Sig>

Also for some reason, my mailer does something funny: It cuts off
everything before the last "Re:" in the subject. I think the programmers
didn't think this would be used for mailing lists :/ Its really annoying
to be the cause of all those "Re: Yada Yada)" subjects if I don't catch
them :/ (Which is why when I do chatch them I change the to "New Subject
(Was Yada Yada)" :) AFAIK if the subject has a "RE:" in it, and probably
the same is true for "re:", It will go ahead and tack on a "Re:".
Btw,
can Pine handle threads in e-mails? (Not that I can use it for my Juno
account) I love using Pine on Unix and I know they started offering Pine
on other Platforms. (I have Pine for Windows95, I think, but haven't set
it up yet ...) Pine handles newsgroups so it's possible that they put
thread support into the email as well. IMO, the best newreader I've ever
used is trn. :)

D.Ghost
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Message no. 19
From: Alfredo B Alves <dghost@****.COM>
Subject: Re: ShadowRN vs. rec.games.frp.cyber
Date: Tue, 30 Jun 1998 11:36:16 -0500
On Tue, 30 Jun 1998 09:19:03 -0400 Tim Kerby <drekhead@***.NET> writes:
>On 30 Jun 98, at 3:49, Blaze wrote:
>> I prefer it. There's something more personal about a mailing list
like
>> Shadowrun than there is about the newsgroup. For example, the few
times I
>> posted in this list last year there was a considerable response to my
>> questions, on frp.cyber - silence except for a couple of people. That
>> wasn't very friendly... :)

>My experience as well, with other newsgroups though. I've never
>accessed frp.cyber. If you do the slightest thing that makes you come
>off as a newbie, your ignored or flamed. And asking a question, any
>question, seems to label you as a newbie.

I've only lurked on newsgroups :) not so on this mailing list, eh? :)

>> But seriously, this forum it's almost like you're talking to people.
A
>> newsgroup is so much more impersonal, and I don't know, disconnected
>> somehow.

>This mailing list definitely has more personality than any other list
>or newsgroup I have ever been a part of, and I've been on lists for
>15 or more years, going back to the BBS days, and FIDO nets.

I never got on FIDO net ... And I only got on the free BBS's (Well, I did
subscribe to one, Bell's Thereom [sp?] I think it was, but it went down
shortly afterwards ). Actually, I haven't used the net in conjuction
with RPGs until recently ... before then it was mainly random chat, look
up a few things here and there, and look for programming stuff :)

>> The general mentality of the people in this list is different to the
>> newsgroups as well, there's more of a "fun" atmosphere, although that
>> might just be the way I interpret it.

>No, like I said, that is how I feel too. I genuinely like most of the
>people on this list. A few I consider friends. I've never felt that
>connected before. I would never have entertained the possibility of
>having someone in my home or spending a weekend with people from
>other list or newsgroups I have been on, but I am doing it with
>people from this list.
>
>Now that I think about it, that is probably why we periodically have
>a higher noise to signal ratio. How many times have you gotten
>together with your gaming group, only to spend most of the time
>talking and joking around? When people that like each other get
>together, things like that happen.
>
>I'm done being sentimental now... :)
>
>--
>
>
>
>
>
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<SNIP Sig>

So would this be signal or noise? :)
Actually, I think at least part of the reason for this connection to the
RN group is that the mailing list comes to you, whereas you have to go
out and get the newsgroups ... There is just something nice about getting
100 messages in your inbox whether they're addressed to you or not ... In
addition, something about RN makes me feel very welcome to chime in and
add my say ... maybe it's the fact that it comes to me daily in -MY-
mailbox or maybe it's the proliferation of IMO's, IMHO's and IMnsHO's ;)
... Oh well, that's it for me ... just thought I'd chime in and add my
say. ;)

D.Ghost
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Message no. 20
From: Blaze <Blaze@*******.DEMON.CO.UK>
Subject: Re: ShadowRN vs. rec.games.frp.cyber
Date: Tue, 30 Jun 1998 05:58:02 +0100
In article <19980630.001834.10206.2.steelclaw@****.com>, Matt Penn
<steelclaw@****.COM> writes
>On Tue, 30 Jun 1998 03:49:05 +0100 Blaze <Blaze@*******.DEMON.CO.UK>
>writes:
>
>I posted in this list >last year there was a considerable response to my
>questions, on frp.cyber - silence >except for a couple of people. That
>wasn't very friendly... :)
>
>That's why I signed on here. I've tried some newsgroups, mainly for WW,
>and if you get on one of them, who cares? But, I get on here, introduce
>myself, and you guys made me feel welcome or at least, 'We know you're
>here, so don't screw up.' <g>

Heh. I screwed up on my first visit - didn't I Gurth? <grin> Then
there was another incident, but the thing that made me stay was the fact
that so many people rallied behind me and made me feel welcome - not
least of which were Bull, Lady Jestyr and Dvixen. Then there's Gurth.
Poor guy had to write a program to save his mailer from crashing, but he
still talks to me. :)

>I also really, really, really like having
>an administrator.

It's nice yes, but some would say that an administrator/moderator such
as those mailing lists usually have is an infraction on the right to
free speech. Mark handles it very well I think. He only really starts
to jump when topics get totally out of hand.

But now we've got Adam and Dvixen to keep everybody in check, and that
old misery Spike. :)

>>The general mentality of the people in this list is different to the
>newsgroups as well, >there's more of a "fun" atmosphere, although that
>might just be the way I interpret it. >Well, there's a heck of a lot
>less flaming here for starters. And no Dana. <grin>
>
>There's also a lot less of "I've got an ork merc who can beat your dwarf
>bodyguard any day!!!" type deal. Which I also like.

Oh don't you believe it. :) People don't often post characters here,
mainly because of the general reaction, but it happens occasionally.
I've seen a couple royal rows on this list because of some overly
powerful character, but at least 99% of the time, this is a far more
friendly and relaxed environment.

I've yet to find anything on Usenet that even begins to parallel this
list, or it's sisters.

--
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Message no. 21
From: Avenger <Avenger@*******.DEMON.CO.UK>
Subject: Re: ShadowRN vs. rec.games.frp.cyber
Date: Tue, 30 Jun 1998 05:51:25 +0100
In article <4c0cb199.359864e3@***.com>, Nexx Many-Scars <Nexx3@***.COM>
writes
>In a message dated 29/06/98 22:00:37 Central Daylight Time,
>Avenger@*******.DEMON.CO.UK writes:
>> And finally, because it's relatively easy to access and it's relatively
>> easy to find.
>
>Don't forget that its more difficult to SPAM... sure, it can be done, but its
>harder to do (and we can keep out those who try).

I didn't mention that because a lot of people here would accuse /me/ of
spamming the list when I post. :) So I can't say anything about it.
<grin>


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Message no. 22
From: Bull <chaos@*****.COM>
Subject: Re: ShadowRN vs. rec.games.frp.cyber
Date: Tue, 30 Jun 1998 14:18:18 -0400
At 05:58 AM 6/30/98 +0100, Blaze wrote these timeless words:

>>That's why I signed on here. I've tried some newsgroups, mainly for WW,
>>and if you get on one of them, who cares? But, I get on here, introduce
>>myself, and you guys made me feel welcome or at least, 'We know you're
>>here, so don't screw up.' <g>
>
>Heh. I screwed up on my first visit - didn't I Gurth? <grin> Then
>there was another incident, but the thing that made me stay was the fact
>that so many people rallied behind me and made me feel welcome - not
>least of which were Bull, Lady Jestyr and Dvixen. Then there's Gurth.
>Poor guy had to write a program to save his mailer from crashing, but he
>still talks to me. :)
>
<blush>

Seriously, if this isn't at least a little bit of fun, what's the point? I
mean, I probably waste a good hour every day reading through e-mail...
Longer if I actually reply to a few (On or Off Topic :)). I could be doing
a million other things (Like cutting the grass... I'm supposed to be doing
that now but I'm holding out for rain :)), but...

This list has always been, since that fateful day almost 2 years ago when I
first subscribed (After fighting with Hearn, then finally learning that
everyone needed to update their web pages and that the list had moved
recently... :)), a very friendly place. Granted, I've had my share of
run-ins with people (Of course, they actually managed to piss off EVERYONE
:)), and occasionally I get yelled at for OT stuff <grin> ((Really, I
usually don't mean it... It's just an innocent off handed comment aout
Peanut Butter or Small Furry Rodents, and people just run with it! :)),
but...

This is home...

Like Tim Kerby (The former Drekhead... Are you permanantly ditching that
nick, Tim?:)) said, I would have never considered staying with people I
knew through the net, or making long-distance phone calls and really
pissing off the Grandparents when they got the bill ((Adam knows all about
that one too :)). After all, we've all heard about the psycho's and such
that abound on the net just waiting to meet people in RL to rip them off or
kill them...

But, I've found myself doing just that. First with Caric, Loki, and Dvixen
at GC last year, then with Tim earlier this year at Neovention. And we're
organizing the biggest damned list.party for GC98 (What, close to 20 peopla
at UWM, plus everyone who's staying at other places? :)).

I consider you guys (and gals, for those of you that picky about it :)) my
friends. Some of you very good friends. :]

Ah hell... I'm getting way too sentimental...

Anybody want to talk Toons?

<grin>

Bull
Message no. 23
From: Tim Kerby <drekhead@***.NET>
Subject: Re: ShadowRN vs. rec.games.frp.cyber
Date: Tue, 30 Jun 1998 14:18:29 -0400
On 30 Jun 98, at 14:18, Bull wrote:

> Like Tim Kerby (The former Drekhead... Are you permanantly ditching that
> nick, Tim?:))

No, use whatever name for me you want, as long as it isn't obscene.
:)

For me right now though, I am not using the nick as much as I used to.
Might that change? Who knows.

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Message no. 24
From: K is the Symbol <Ereskanti@***.COM>
Subject: Re: ShadowRN vs. rec.games.frp.cyber
Date: Tue, 30 Jun 1998 14:25:44 EDT
In a message dated 6/30/98 8:19:33 AM US Eastern Standard Time,
drekhead@***.NET writes:

>
> I'm done being sentimental now... :)
>
(hands Tim a hanky... :)

-K
Message no. 25
From: Nexx Many-Scars <Nexx3@***.COM>
Subject: Re: ShadowRN vs. rec.games.frp.cyber
Date: Tue, 30 Jun 1998 15:13:39 EDT
In a message dated 98-06-30 12:47:58 EDT, you write:

> Oh, and none of those "Cyberpunk is k00|_ ShadowRun (Spelling intentional
> for those of you not paying attention at home) sucks its got magic thats
> not cyberpunk!" idiots.

Adam, you're supposed to spell it "kewl", in true fuckwit style.

<completely OT rant>
What the hell is it that drive people to spell the word "kewl"? The word has
been "cool" for a long, long time. "Kewl" looks like some bodily
excretion,
not an exclamation of approval.
</completely OT rant>

Nexx, the Grammar-nazi
Message no. 26
From: Nexx Many-Scars <Nexx3@***.COM>
Subject: Re: ShadowRN vs. rec.games.frp.cyber
Date: Tue, 30 Jun 1998 15:36:56 EDT
In a message dated 98-06-30 14:12:33 EDT, you write:

> I consider you guys (and gals, for those of you that picky about it :)) my
> friends. Some of you very good friends. :]

Hell, Bull, most mailing lists are like that. I've left mailing lists because
my friends were, simply because my interest in the game wasn't enough to deal
with the morons who you have to deal with to talk about them (right, Matt?),
even though those were the only games I ever got a chance to play.

Nexx
Message no. 27
From: Tim Kerby <drekhead@***.NET>
Subject: Re: ShadowRN vs. rec.games.frp.cyber
Date: Tue, 30 Jun 1998 15:40:58 -0400
On 30 Jun 98, at 15:13, Nexx Many-Scars wrote:

> <completely OT rant>
> What the hell is it that drive people to spell the word "kewl"? The word
> has been "cool" for a long, long time. "Kewl" looks like some
bodily
> excretion, not an exclamation of approval. </completely OT rant>

Believe it or not, I read somewhere that it started because a lot of
kids getting on the internet couldn't spell, someone thought it was
hip, so it stuck. Says a lot about the kids today, doesn't? That
looking stupid is considered hip?

(Oh god, I said "kids today".... where's my walker) :)

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Message no. 28
From: Nexx Many-Scars <Nexx3@***.COM>
Subject: Re: ShadowRN vs. rec.games.frp.cyber
Date: Tue, 30 Jun 1998 15:57:58 EDT
In a message dated 98-06-30 15:41:13 EDT, you write:

> > <completely OT rant>
> > What the hell is it that drive people to spell the word "kewl"? The
word
> > has been "cool" for a long, long time. "Kewl" looks like
some bodily
> > excretion, not an exclamation of approval. </completely OT rant>
>
> Believe it or not, I read somewhere that it started because a lot of
> kids getting on the internet couldn't spell, someone thought it was
> hip, so it stuck. Says a lot about the kids today, doesn't? That
> looking stupid is considered hip?

Thanks, Tim. Now I have to go find another career...

Nexx, former future teacher
Message no. 29
From: "Droopy ." <mmanhardt@*****.NET>
Subject: Re: ShadowRN vs. rec.games.frp.cyber
Date: Tue, 30 Jun 1998 16:02:13 +0000
> From: Wordman <wordman@*******.COM>
> Subject: ShadowRN vs. rec.games.frp.cyber

> It seems clear that ShadowRN is now the main forum for Shadowrun on the
> internet. This was not always the case (rec.games.frp.cyber was the main
> place for a while), and I'm curious as to why it changed. Do people find
> the mailing interface better? Is it because most people can't access news?
> Is the conversation just better (well, now it is, but was it before)? What
> do you think?

I can think of several reasons to use a mailing list as opposed to
usenet.

1) A lot less spam
2) A more friendly group oriented atmosphere
3) Can be accessed from any machine with a net hookup (you can't
access your ISP's mail server from another account in most cases)
4) Mail filtering. If you don't have mail filtering, then I highly
reccomend useing a better email program. (I use pegasus just because
of the easy filtering)
5) If for some reason you are away for a few days, your email is
still there...on usenet, the NNTP server will kill messages after so
many days.

If I put any thought into it, I'm sure I could come up with more
reasons.


--Droopy
Message no. 30
From: Matt Penn <steelclaw@****.COM>
Subject: Re: ShadowRN vs. rec.games.frp.cyber
Date: Tue, 30 Jun 1998 16:02:39 -0400
On Tue, 30 Jun 1998 15:36:56 EDT Nexx Many-Scars <Nexx3@***.COM> writes:

>Hell, Bull, most mailing lists are like that. I've left mailing lists
because my friends >were, simply because my interest in the game wasn't
enough to deal with the >morons who you have to deal with to talk about
them (right, Matt?), even though those >were the only games I ever got a
chance to play.

I left mainly because the one game I really liked with Palladium wasn't
being supported, the only creations were munchkin-assed POS' and the few
on there I thought of friends or whose opinions I respected (Nexx here
being one) left. The list admin does a real good job over there, but
it's ain't enough. The people're better here.
I *want* to know what they think.

-Matt, Ork-IS-Large
(No, I don't give a merry f*ck that your missiles do 1D6x1,000,000!
Leave me alone!)

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Message no. 31
From: Blaze <Blaze@*******.DEMON.CO.UK>
Subject: Re: ShadowRN vs. rec.games.frp.cyber
Date: Tue, 30 Jun 1998 22:29:27 +0100
In article <199806301217.IAA29090@****.ctghub.com>, Tim Kerby
<drekhead@***.NET> writes
>On 30 Jun 98, at 3:49, Blaze wrote:
>
>> posted in this list last year there was a considerable response to my
>> questions, on frp.cyber - silence except for a couple of people. That
>> wasn't very friendly... :)
>
>My experience as well, with other newsgroups though. I've never
>accessed frp.cyber. If you do the slightest thing that makes you come
>off as a newbie, your ignored or flamed. And asking a question, any
>question, seems to label you as a newbie.

Not just asking a question, at least here if you make a mistake with the
rules or misquote, someone corrects you, they don't come after you with
pitchforks.

>> But seriously, this forum it's almost like you're talking to people. A
>> newsgroup is so much more impersonal, and I don't know, disconnected
>> somehow.
>
>This mailing list definitely has more personality than any other list
>or newsgroup I have ever been a part of, and I've been on lists for
>15 or more years, going back to the BBS days, and FIDO nets.

Never went there, though I know someone who did spend a lot of time on
the old BBS - strolling through the dunes he called it, as opposed to
the more hectic nature of the net.

>> newsgroups as well, there's more of a "fun" atmosphere, although that
>> might just be the way I interpret it.
>
>No, like I said, that is how I feel too. I genuinely like most of the
>people on this list. A few I consider friends. I've never felt that
>connected before. I would never have entertained the possibility of
>having someone in my home or spending a weekend with people from
>other list or newsgroups I have been on, but I am doing it with
>people from this list.

It's been done just recently. Dvixen invaded a number of homes, taking
the Church of Bob with her, and incubating several people. :) It's
surprising how much more people accept others in this sort of forum, and
I'm positive it's because of the personal nature of the whole thing.

>Now that I think about it, that is probably why we periodically have
>a higher noise to signal ratio.

You could be right.

>How many times have you gotten
>together with your gaming group, only to spend most of the time
>talking and joking around? When people that like each other get
>together, things like that happen.

Heh, it's a nightmare in our games. When Pete and Paul get together
it's almost impossible to get a game going between their chattering. I
know they don't see each other very often, but really. ;)


--
Blaze
http://www.fortunecity.com/rivendell/angband/317/index.htm
Shadowrun: rants and a whole bunch of other stuff.
Message no. 32
From: Caric <caric@********.COM>
Subject: Re: ShadowRN vs. rec.games.frp.cyber
Date: Tue, 30 Jun 1998 17:53:53 -0700
> From: Tim Kerby <drekhead@***.NET>

> This mailing list definitely has more personality than any other list
> or newsgroup I have ever been a part of, and I've been on lists for
> 15 or more years, going back to the BBS days, and FIDO nets.
>
> > The general mentality of the people in this list is different to the
> > newsgroups as well, there's more of a "fun" atmosphere, although that
> > might just be the way I interpret it.
>
> No, like I said, that is how I feel too. I genuinely like most of the
> people on this list. A few I consider friends. I've never felt that
> connected before. I would never have entertained the possibility of
> having someone in my home or spending a weekend with people from
> other list or newsgroups I have been on, but I am doing it with
> people from this list.
>
> Now that I think about it, that is probably why we periodically have
> a higher noise to signal ratio. How many times have you gotten
> together with your gaming group, only to spend most of the time
> talking and joking around? When people that like each other get
> together, things like that happen.

I think you hit the nail on the head right there...at least as far as I am
concerned. I don't have nearly as much time to post and read as I used to,
but I came back from NOMAILland because I genuinely missed the discussion.
Not really the SR discussion (not that I don't enjoy it) but the personal
interaction. Hence my periodic OT problems :) It was a desire to meet and
play with people from the list that got me to gencon last year and I why I
will continue to go back as long as I can...I dare say it's the same desire
that brings ppl like Gurth from afar to visit Milwaukee.

> I'm done being sentimental now... :)

I love you man. (Do I get the Bud light?)

Caric
Message no. 33
From: Caric <caric@********.COM>
Subject: Re: ShadowRN vs. rec.games.frp.cyber
Date: Tue, 30 Jun 1998 17:58:18 -0700
> From: Blaze <Blaze@*******.DEMON.CO.UK>

> >> posted in this list last year there was a considerable response to my
> >> questions, on frp.cyber - silence except for a couple of people. That
> >> wasn't very friendly... :)
> >
> >My experience as well, with other newsgroups though. I've never
> >accessed frp.cyber. If you do the slightest thing that makes you come
> >off as a newbie, your ignored or flamed. And asking a question, any
> >question, seems to label you as a newbie.
>
> Not just asking a question, at least here if you make a mistake with the
> rules or misquote, someone corrects you, they don't come after you with
> pitchforks.

Well not *usually* :)

> >No, like I said, that is how I feel too. I genuinely like most of the
> >people on this list. A few I consider friends. I've never felt that
> >connected before. I would never have entertained the possibility of
> >having someone in my home or spending a weekend with people from
> >other list or newsgroups I have been on, but I am doing it with
> >people from this list.
>
> It's been done just recently. Dvixen invaded a number of homes, taking
> the Church of Bob with her, and incubating several people. :) It's
> surprising how much more people accept others in this sort of forum, and
> I'm positive it's because of the personal nature of the whole thing.
>
> >Now that I think about it, that is probably why we periodically have
> >a higher noise to signal ratio.
>
> You could be right.

Definitely. My roommate thinks i'm insane because he hears my gleeful
chuckling while I read my email every evening.

> >How many times have you gotten
> >together with your gaming group, only to spend most of the time
> >talking and joking around? When people that like each other get
> >together, things like that happen.
>
> Heh, it's a nightmare in our games. When Pete and Paul get together
> it's almost impossible to get a game going between their chattering. I
> know they don't see each other very often, but really. ;)

Blaze's real name wouldn't be Mary would it?

sorry I know not many ppl probably got that but I thought it was funny...so
there :p~~

Caric
Message no. 34
From: Caric <caric@********.COM>
Subject: Re: ShadowRN vs. rec.games.frp.cyber
Date: Tue, 30 Jun 1998 17:55:29 -0700
> From: Tim Kerby <drekhead@***.NET>

> > Like Tim Kerby (The former Drekhead... Are you permanantly ditching
that
> > nick, Tim?:))
>
> No, use whatever name for me you want, as long as it isn't obscene.
> :)

Drekhead being such a straight laced name ;)

> For me right now though, I am not using the nick as much as I used to.
> Might that change? Who knows.

<magic eightball>

All signs point to yes!

</magic eightball>

Caric-the-he'll-always-be-Fro-to-me-shaman
Message no. 35
From: Tim Kerby <drekhead@***.NET>
Subject: Re: ShadowRN vs. rec.games.frp.cyber
Date: Tue, 30 Jun 1998 22:14:40 -0400
On 30 Jun 98, at 17:55, Caric wrote:

> > From: Tim Kerby <drekhead@***.NET>
>
> > > Like Tim Kerby (The former Drekhead... Are you permanantly ditching
> that
> > > nick, Tim?:))
> >
> > No, use whatever name for me you want, as long as it isn't obscene. :)
>
> Drekhead being such a straight laced name ;)

LOL!

> > For me right now though, I am not using the nick as much as I used to.
> > Might that change? Who knows.
>
> <magic eightball>
>
> All signs point to yes!
>
> </magic eightball>

Guess I can't argue with that. :)

> Caric-the-he'll-always-be-Fro-to-me-shaman

Me too.

--



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Message no. 36
From: Tim Kerby <drekhead@***.NET>
Subject: Re: ShadowRN vs. rec.games.frp.cyber
Date: Tue, 30 Jun 1998 22:14:40 -0400
On 30 Jun 98, at 17:53, Caric wrote:

> I think you hit the nail on the head right there...at least as far as I am
> concerned. I don't have nearly as much time to post and read as I used
> to, but I came back from NOMAILland because I genuinely missed the
> discussion. Not really the SR discussion (not that I don't enjoy it) but
> the personal interaction. Hence my periodic OT problems :) It was a
> desire to meet and play with people from the list that got me to gencon
> last year and I why I will continue to go back as long as I can...I dare
> say it's the same desire that brings ppl like Gurth from afar to visit
> Milwaukee.

My sentiments exactly. :)

> I love you man. (Do I get the Bud light?)

Err, no. :)

--

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-----------------------------------------------------------------
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Message no. 37
From: Tim Kerby <drekhead@***.NET>
Subject: Re: ShadowRN vs. rec.games.frp.cyber
Date: Tue, 30 Jun 1998 22:14:40 -0400
On 30 Jun 98, at 17:58, Caric wrote:

> > Heh, it's a nightmare in our games. When Pete and Paul get together
> > it's almost impossible to get a game going between their chattering. I
> > know they don't see each other very often, but really. ;)
>
> Blaze's real name wouldn't be Mary would it?

Hehe...

> sorry I know not many ppl probably got that but I thought it was
> funny...so there :p~~

I got it. Good one, Caric. :)

--

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Message no. 38
From: John E Pederson <pedersje@******.ROSE-HULMAN.EDU>
Subject: Re: ShadowRN vs. rec.games.frp.cyber
Date: Tue, 30 Jun 1998 21:19:50 -0500
Caric wrote:
>
> > From: Blaze <Blaze@*******.DEMON.CO.UK>

> > Heh, it's a nightmare in our games. When Pete and Paul get together
> > it's almost impossible to get a game going between their chattering. I
> > know they don't see each other very often, but really. ;)
>
> Blaze's real name wouldn't be Mary would it?
>
> sorry I know not many ppl probably got that but I thought it was funny...so
> there :p~~

For shame on you! For shame! And I doubt it's as obscure as you think... *I* got
it <he says, wandering back into the ether while whistling "Puff the Magic
Dragon">

--
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convinced that a spirit is manifest in the laws of the universe -- a
spirit vastly superior to that of man, and one in the face of which we
with our modest powers must feel humble."
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Message no. 39
From: MC23 <mc23@**********.COM>
Subject: Re: ShadowRN vs. rec.games.frp.cyber
Date: Tue, 30 Jun 1998 22:22:03 -0400
Once upon a time, John E Pederson wrote;

>> Blaze's real name wouldn't be Mary would it?
>>
>> sorry I know not many ppl probably got that but I thought it was funny...so
>> there :p~~
>
>For shame on you! For shame! And I doubt it's as obscure as you think...
>*I* got
>it <he says, wandering back into the ether while whistling "Puff the Magic
>Dragon">

<cartman>
Screw you guys with your tree hugging hippy crap. We all know
hippies suck ass.
</cartman>

I wanne kill. kill. kill. Kill! Have dead burnt babies in my mouth. KILL!

<><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><>

Ancient cultures believed that names held great power, personal names
more so and they were guarded very closely. To protect themselves, they
answered to another name, because if another discovered their real name,
it could be used against them.
History repeats itself.
Welcome to the Digital Age.
I am MC23
Message no. 40
From: Bull <chaos@*****.COM>
Subject: Re: ShadowRN vs. rec.games.frp.cyber
Date: Tue, 30 Jun 1998 22:30:00 -0400
At 10:14 PM 6/30/98 -0400, Tim Kerby wrote these timeless words:

>> sorry I know not many ppl probably got that but I thought it was
>> funny...so there :p~~
>
>I got it. Good one, Caric. :)
>
<UCASOL ON>

Me too!

<UCASOL OFF>

<grin>

Bull
--
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chaos@*****.com ===== bull22@***********.com
http://www.geocities.com/Area51/Cavern/3604

=======================================================
= =
= Order is Illusion! Chaos is Bliss! Got any Fours? =
= =
Message no. 41
From: Tim Kerby <drekhead@***.NET>
Subject: Re: ShadowRN vs. rec.games.frp.cyber
Date: Tue, 30 Jun 1998 22:28:52 -0400
On 30 Jun 98, at 22:30, Bull wrote:

> Bull -- The Best Ork Decker You Never Met
> chaos@*****.com ===== bull22@***********.com
> http://www.geocities.com/Area51/Cavern/3604
>
> =======================================================
> = =
> = Order is Illusion! Chaos is Bliss! Got any Fours? =
> = =
> =======================================================

BUll, you put your sig on a diet. Looks nice. :)

--



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Message no. 42
From: Bull <chaos@*****.COM>
Subject: Re: ShadowRN vs. rec.games.frp.cyber
Date: Tue, 30 Jun 1998 22:46:12 -0400
At 10:28 PM 6/30/98 -0400, Tim Kerby wrote these timeless words:

>BUll, you put your sig on a diet. Looks nice. :)
>
Thanks, but...

I was having some major glitches with my computer, so I formatted my hard
drive. In doing so, I lost my .sig file (Forgot to save the .sig folder :)).

So...

I decided to go back to an older style of sig :] Less crap :]

Bull
--
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chaos@*****.com ===== bull22@***********.com
http://www.geocities.com/Area51/Cavern/3604

=======================================================
= =
= Order is Illusion! Chaos is Bliss! Got any Fours? =
= =
Message no. 43
From: Nexx Many-Scars <Nexx3@***.COM>
Subject: Re: ShadowRN vs. rec.games.frp.cyber
Date: Wed, 1 Jul 1998 00:51:24 EDT
In a message dated 30/06/98 21:25:28 Central Daylight Time, chaos@*****.COM
writes:

> = Order is Illusion! Chaos is Bliss! Got any Fours? =

No, but I've got a Lawt of Fives....

The Reverend Pope Nexx Many-scars V, Head Episkipossum of the Kevhead, Silly
Moon, and ShadowRN (henceforth Runny Darkness) Cabals, KSC, Eris's love child,
Child of Grog and the Sum of Man
Message no. 44
From: Wordman <wordman@*******.COM>
Subject: Re: ShadowRN vs. rec.games.frp.cyber
Date: Wed, 1 Jul 1998 01:00:55 -0400
Adam J wrote:
>At 19:57 29/06/98 -0400, wordman wrote:
>>To be honest, I think mailing lists are a classic case of using the wrong
>>tool for the job, much like attaching files to e-mail instead of using ftp.
>
>Your habit of posting me URLs instead of emailing me files is much
>appreciated, Les :)

I try to preach what I practice.

>> I get the impression that
>>I'm the only one bothered by this.
>
>I think you are. Eudora 3.0.5 can nicely filter all the mails to a
>seperate folder, highlite teh ones from certain people or with certain
>topics, trash ones with certain topics or from certain people. About the
>only thing it can't do is "skip entire thread", but that's not that hard to
>do manually.

I guess my big problem is that my mail account is through work. When my mail
chime goes off, it usually means that a client needs something from me
quickly. Subscribed to the list, the chime goes off every time I check mail,
which is hugely distracting, because I'm used to dropping what I am doing
and read the new mail. If I stop doing this, I risk postponing reading a
client's message, which is very bad.

>Oh, and none of those "Cyberpunk is k00|_ ShadowRun (Spelling intentional
>for those of you not paying attention at home) sucks its got magic thats
>not cyberpunk!" idiots.

This is one of the reasons I created the r.g.f.cyber FAQ. Such arguments
have seemed to die down a bit since then. Interestingly, when I created the
FAQ, I just made up posting guidelines that I personally liked, expecting
people to say "I would like it better if" or even "who the hell do you
think
you are imposing your will onto the list". That was several months ago and
no one has called me on it at all. I just thought up something, said "do it"
and people did. I find that a little depressing.

Ag. More ranting. My girlfriend left for Europe just a day ago, and already
I'm getting introspective.

Wordman
Message no. 45
From: Wordman <wordman@*******.COM>
Subject: Re: ShadowRN vs. rec.games.frp.cyber
Date: Wed, 1 Jul 1998 01:06:18 -0400
Nexx wrote:
>Adam, you're supposed to spell it "kewl", in true fuckwit style.
>
><completely OT rant>
>What the hell is it that drive people to spell the word "kewl"? The word
has
>been "cool" for a long, long time. "Kewl" looks like some bodily
excretion,
>not an exclamation of approval.
></completely OT rant>

I always thought that "kewl" was meant to represent the way that surfers say
"cool".

Wordman
Message no. 46
From: K is the Symbol <Ereskanti@***.COM>
Subject: Re: ShadowRN vs. rec.games.frp.cyber
Date: Wed, 1 Jul 1998 01:57:58 EDT
In a message dated 6/30/98 9:18:49 PM US Eastern Standard Time,
pedersje@******.ROSE-HULMAN.EDU writes:

> For shame on you! For shame! And I doubt it's as obscure as you think... *I*
> got
> it <he says, wandering back into the ether while whistling "Puff the Magic
> Dragon">
>
Okay folks, break it up here, all this sentimental clap-trap is getting
infectious....next thing you know, we'll all be joining together on Yellow
Submarines bound for Scarborough Fair drinking Whiskey and Wine...

-K (who knows the words to all of those songs enough that he uses them to earn
role play points for Binder's "Centering")
Message no. 47
From: Gurth <gurth@******.NL>
Subject: Re: ShadowRN vs. rec.games.frp.cyber
Date: Wed, 1 Jul 1998 12:37:27 +0100
Blaze said on 5:58/30 Jun 98,...

> Heh. I screwed up on my first visit - didn't I Gurth? <grin>

Was that the infamous Tea Question? If not, then it's because the
tea thing had such an impact it erased from my memory all the
things you said on the list before it :)

> Then
> there was another incident, but the thing that made me stay was the fact
> that so many people rallied behind me and made me feel
welcome

That's one thing I like about ShadowRN: most people here are
friendly (some more than others :) even before you get to know
them. I've never really tried rgfc, but have read some
newsgroups during one of my (few) attempts to see what they're
like. I didn't really find myself at "home" there, for some reason...

> not
> least of which were Bull, Lady Jestyr and Dvixen. Then there's Gurth.
> Poor guy had to write a program to save his mailer from crashing, but he
> still talks to me. :)

And some people out there actually use and like that program!
But to be fair, it wasn't just your fault I wrote it, Lady J is just as
much to blame :)

> But now we've got Adam and Dvixen to keep everybody in check, and that
> old misery Spike. :)

Hey! What about David, Tim, and me?! :)

--
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Message no. 48
From: K is the Symbol <Ereskanti@***.COM>
Subject: Re: ShadowRN vs. rec.games.frp.cyber
Date: Wed, 1 Jul 1998 07:36:11 EDT
In a message dated 7/1/98 5:38:17 AM US Eastern Standard Time, gurth@******.NL
writes:

> > But now we've got Adam and Dvixen to keep everybody in check, and that
> > old misery Spike. :)
>
> Hey! What about David, Tim, and me?! :)
>
don't worry, you guys are 4th thru 6th on the shirt list...

-K
Message no. 49
From: Spike <u5a77@*****.CS.KEELE.AC.UK>
Subject: Re: ShadowRN vs. rec.games.frp.cyber
Date: Wed, 1 Jul 1998 13:14:20 +0100
And verily, did Gurth hastily scribble thusly...
|That's one thing I like about ShadowRN: most people here are
|friendly (some more than others :) even before you get to know
|them. I've never really tried rgfc, but have read some
|newsgroups during one of my (few) attempts to see what they're
|like. I didn't really find myself at "home" there, for some reason...

Some are quite fun and whizzo.
Especially comp.sys.sinclair. That really is (normally) a nice, silly place
to visit. Most of the people there are completely hatstand.

[NOTE: For those of you who never had a Sinclair ZX Spectrum and read the
magazine "Your Sinclair", you'll probably think I'm completely insane. Don't
worry though, 'cos I am... Wibble]

|> But now we've got Adam and Dvixen to keep everybody in check, and that
|> old misery Spike. :)
|
|Hey! What about David, Tim, and me?! :)

Yeh! I'm not Gridsec! If I shout at people now, I get jumped on as well...
*>sulk*<

And what do you mean, MISERY?
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Message no. 50
From: MC23 <mc23@**********.COM>
Subject: Re: ShadowRN vs. rec.games.frp.cyber
Date: Wed, 1 Jul 1998 09:22:54 -0400
Once upon a time, Gurth wrote;

>Blaze said on 5:58/30 Jun 98,...
>>
>> But now we've got Adam and Dvixen to keep everybody in check, and that
>> old misery Spike. :)
>
>Hey! What about David, Tim, and me?! :)

And me?!?

<pout, pout>

<><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><>

"Boy, I'm in a bad mood today! Everyone had better steer clear of me! I
hate EVERYBODY! As far as I'm concerned, everyone on the planet can just
drop dead. People are scum.
.....
WELL-L-L? DOESN'T ANYONE WANT TO CHEER ME UP?!?"
-Calvin, Calvin and Hobbes
I am MC23
Message no. 51
From: The Bookworm <Thomas.M.Price@*******.EDU>
Subject: Re: ShadowRN vs. rec.games.frp.cyber
Date: Wed, 1 Jul 1998 11:20:19 -0500
On Tue, 30 Jun 1998, Caric wrote:

> > From: Blaze <Blaze@*******.DEMON.CO.UK>
> > Not just asking a question, at least here if you make a mistake with the
> > rules or misquote, someone corrects you, they don't come after you with
> > pitchforks.
> Well not *usually* :)

No we come after you with carp! :)

Thomas Price
aka The Bookworm
thomas.m.price@*******.edu
tmprice@***********.com
Message no. 52
From: Gurth <gurth@******.NL>
Subject: Re: ShadowRN vs. rec.games.frp.cyber
Date: Wed, 1 Jul 1998 19:56:31 +0100
Spike said on 13:14/1 Jul 98,...

> Some are quite fun and whizzo.
> Especially comp.sys.sinclair. That really is (normally) a nice, silly place
> to visit. Most of the people there are completely hatstand.

Unfortunately I don't have any news clients that actually work the
way I want them to -- namely, like a mailer -- else I might take a
look there, being an ex-Spectrum owner and all.

> [NOTE: For those of you who never had a Sinclair ZX Spectrum and read the
> magazine "Your Sinclair", you'll probably think I'm completely insane.
Don't
> worry though, 'cos I am... Wibble]

I've got a big box full of YS and SU (and a few Crashes)
somewhere in the attic... YS was great, at least until that one
editor (whatwashernameagain?) left :( My real name (though
with a typo) even appears in one issue ;)

--
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Could you ever be alone?
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-> The Plastic Warriors Page: http://www.xs4all.nl/~gurth/plastic.html <-
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Message no. 53
From: David Buehrer <dbuehrer@******.CARL.ORG>
Subject: Re: ShadowRN vs. rec.games.frp.cyber
Date: Wed, 1 Jul 1998 12:05:40 -0600
MC23 wrote:
/
/ Once upon a time, Gurth wrote;
/
/ >Blaze said on 5:58/30 Jun 98,...
/ >>
/ >> But now we've got Adam and Dvixen to keep everybody in check, and that
/ >> old misery Spike. :)
/ >
/ >Hey! What about David, Tim, and me?! :)
/
/ And me?!?
/
/ <pout, pout>

...You want a place on the stage, with this crowd in the audience? ;)

<shuffles back behind the curtain>

-David
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Message no. 54
From: Erik Jameson <erikj@****.COM>
Subject: Re: ShadowRN vs. rec.games.frp.cyber
Date: Wed, 1 Jul 1998 15:17:54 -0400
At 10:22 PM 6/30/98 -0400, you wrote:

><cartman>
> Screw you guys with your tree hugging hippy crap. We all know
>hippies suck ass.
></cartman>
>
>I wanne kill. kill. kill. Kill! Have dead burnt babies in my mouth. KILL!

DAMNIT MC23!!!

I started laughing aloud in the middle of the office, nearly spilling my
morning tea (can't stand coffee) and confirmed suspicions of my lack of
sanity and normality.

Bastard.

;-)

Erik J.

Death and Destruction? Oh, don't mind them. Their just my kid brothers.
Message no. 55
From: Spike <u5a77@*****.CS.KEELE.AC.UK>
Subject: Re: ShadowRN vs. rec.games.frp.cyber
Date: Wed, 1 Jul 1998 22:20:37 +0100
And verily, did Gurth hastily scribble thusly...
|I've got a big box full of YS and SU (and a few Crashes)
|somewhere in the attic... YS was great, at least until that one
|editor (whatwashernameagain?) left :

T'zer


( My real name (though
|with a typo) even appears in one issue ;)

Darn you to heck. (The home planet of Evil the Cat)
All my YSs got consigned to the great speccy library in the sky YEARS ago.
Another chance at finding your true name in the dustbin....

| Incubated into the First Church of the Sqooshy Ball, 21-05-1998

ACK!

Worry not friends! We'll save him! We'll save them all!!!
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Message no. 56
From: Spike <u5a77@*****.CS.KEELE.AC.UK>
Subject: Re: ShadowRN vs. rec.games.frp.cyber
Date: Wed, 1 Jul 1998 22:24:26 +0100
And verily, did Erik Jameson hastily scribble thusly...
|I started laughing aloud in the middle of the office, nearly spilling my
|morning tea (can't stand coffee) and confirmed suspicions of my lack of
|sanity and normality.
|
|Bastard.
|
|;-)

But you do that at least once a week anyway.
I'd think any rumours of sanity would have been dismissed months ago in your
case....

:)

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| | graphical shell for a 16 bit patch to an 8 bit |
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|Principal Subjects in:- |microprocessor, written by a 2 bit company, that|
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Message no. 57
From: Erik Jameson <erikj@****.COM>
Subject: Re: ShadowRN vs. rec.games.frp.cyber
Date: Wed, 1 Jul 1998 19:40:30 -0400
At 10:24 PM 7/1/98 +0100, you wrote:
>And verily, did Erik Jameson hastily scribble thusly...
>|I started laughing aloud in the middle of the office, nearly spilling my
>|morning tea (can't stand coffee) and confirmed suspicions of my lack of
>|sanity and normality.
>|
>|Bastard.
>|
>|;-)
>
>But you do that at least once a week anyway.

Actually, more like once a month. Hadn't done it in a while.

>I'd think any rumours of sanity would have been dismissed months ago in your
>case....

Well, there have been sneaking suspicions for a while, but my manic
outburst of laughter basically sealed the deal.

Now it only took my SR players a few hours to confirm my lack of sanity...

Erik J.

URL to go here...
Message no. 58
From: Blaze <Blaze@*******.DEMON.CO.UK>
Subject: Re: ShadowRN vs. rec.games.frp.cyber
Date: Thu, 2 Jul 1998 01:36:16 +0100
In article <199807011037.MAA02751@*****.xs4all.nl>, Gurth
<gurth@******.NL> writes
>Blaze said on 5:58/30 Jun 98,...
>
>> Heh. I screwed up on my first visit - didn't I Gurth? <grin>
>
>Was that the infamous Tea Question? If not, then it's because the
>tea thing had such an impact it erased from my memory all the
>things you said on the list before it :)

It wasn't the infamous tea question, it was the infamous UK question
that turned into the "Explain to Blaze what tea was thread". :)

>> there was another incident, but the thing that made me stay was the fact
>> that so many people rallied behind me and made me feel
>welcome
>
>That's one thing I like about ShadowRN: most people here are
>friendly (some more than others :) even before you get to know
>them. I've never really tried rgfc, but have read some
>newsgroups during one of my (few) attempts to see what they're
>like. I didn't really find myself at "home" there, for some reason...

That seems to be the general feeling. People just like the "homely"
atmosphere created on this list. The lack of hostility, and though
there are copious carpings, at least they're in the best possible taste
- though the smell is atrocious.

>> least of which were Bull, Lady Jestyr and Dvixen. Then there's Gurth.
>> Poor guy had to write a program to save his mailer from crashing, but he
>> still talks to me. :)
>
>And some people out there actually use and like that program!
>But to be fair, it wasn't just your fault I wrote it, Lady J is just as
>much to blame :)

Heh. I still maintain it's your fault. If you hadn't been so chatty, we
wouldn't have found reasons to answer your mail at such length and crash
your mailer. :)

>> But now we've got Adam and Dvixen to keep everybody in check, and that
>> old misery Spike. :)
>
>Hey! What about David, Tim, and me?! :)

You're not GridSec. You're just random patrolling vigilantes. :)

--
Blaze
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Shadowrun: rants and a whole bunch of other stuff.
Message no. 59
From: "Droopy ." <mmanhardt@*****.NET>
Subject: Re: ShadowRN vs. rec.games.frp.cyber
Date: Wed, 1 Jul 1998 22:02:35 -0400
From: Wordman <wordman@*******.COM>
Subject: Re: ShadowRN vs. rec.games.frp.cyber

><completely OT rant>
> >What the hell is it that drive people to spell the word "kewl"? The
word has
> >been "cool" for a long, long time. "Kewl" looks like some
bodily excretion,
> >not an exclamation of approval.
> ></completely OT rant>
>
> I always thought that "kewl" was meant to represent the way that surfers
say
> "cool".

I always used it as an intentional misspelling...nothing more.


--Droopy
Message no. 60
From: Gurth <gurth@******.NL>
Subject: Re: ShadowRN vs. rec.games.frp.cyber
Date: Thu, 2 Jul 1998 11:42:20 +0100
Blaze said on 1:36/2 Jul 98,...

> It wasn't the infamous tea question, it was the infamous UK question
> that turned into the "Explain to Blaze what tea was thread". :)

So it basically was the Tea Question, or at least turned into it very
quickly :)

> >I didn't really find myself at "home" there, for some reason...
>
> That seems to be the general feeling. People just like the "homely"
> atmosphere created on this list. The lack of hostility, and though
> there are copious carpings, at least they're in the best possible taste
> - though the smell is atrocious.

That's the whole idea behind the carps... They're not as hard-
hitting as flames but do tell you that you should change your
ways.

> Heh. I still maintain it's your fault. If you hadn't been so chatty, we
> wouldn't have found reasons to answer your mail at such length and crash
> your mailer. :)

To be fair, it didn't crash it. It just refused to make the message
any longer so I had to split it in two :/ Luckily the version of
Pegasus I'm using now doesn't have a maximum length to emails
anymore.

> >Hey! What about David, Tim, and me?! :)
>
> You're not GridSec. You're just random patrolling vigilantes. :)

I'm not GridSec? I _came_up_ with the term GridSec for the
function David, Tim and I were given by Adam...

--
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Could you ever be alone?
-> NERPS Project Leader * ShadowRN GridSec * Unofficial Shadowrun Guru <-
-> The Plastic Warriors Page: http://www.xs4all.nl/~gurth/plastic.html <-
-> The New Character Mortuary: http://www.electricferret.com/mortuary/ <-

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Message no. 61
From: Gurth <gurth@******.NL>
Subject: Re: ShadowRN vs. rec.games.frp.cyber
Date: Thu, 2 Jul 1998 11:42:19 +0100
Spike said on 22:20/1 Jul 98,...

> |editor (whatwashernameagain?) left :
>
> T'zer

Ah yes, with all the arguments over how it's pronounced... "I say
it's 'T'zer' but my friend says it's 'T'zer'. Which is right?" :)

> ( My real name (though
> |with a typo) even appears in one issue ;)
>
> Darn you to heck. (The home planet of Evil the Cat)
> All my YSs got consigned to the great speccy library in the sky YEARS ago.
> Another chance at finding your true name in the dustbin....

Great, that means I could even mention the exact issue and page
(if I were to find it myself :) because I doubt anyone else here
has a collection of that magazine :)

> | Incubated into the First Church of the Sqooshy Ball, 21-05-1998
>
> ACK!
>
> Worry not friends! We'll save him! We'll save them all!!!

What do you mean, "save"?! You're the ones who needs to be
saved, you, Paolo and Pete!

--
Gurth@******.nl - http://www.xs4all.nl/~gurth/index.html
Could you ever be alone?
-> NERPS Project Leader * ShadowRN GridSec * Unofficial Shadowrun Guru <-
-> The Plastic Warriors Page: http://www.xs4all.nl/~gurth/plastic.html <-
-> The New Character Mortuary: http://www.electricferret.com/mortuary/ <-

GC3.1: GAT/! d-(dpu) s:- !a>? C+(++)@ U P L E? W(++) N o? K- w+ O V? PS+
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Incubated into the First Church of the Sqooshy Ball, 21-05-1998
Message no. 62
From: Spike <u5a77@*****.CS.KEELE.AC.UK>
Subject: Re: ShadowRN vs. rec.games.frp.cyber
Date: Thu, 2 Jul 1998 12:46:29 +0100
And verily, did Blaze hastily scribble thusly...
|>> But now we've got Adam and Dvixen to keep everybody in check, and that
|>> old misery Spike. :)
|>
|>Hey! What about David, Tim, and me?! :)
|
|You're not GridSec. You're just random patrolling vigilantes. :)

Actually, it's me that's the random patrolling vigilanty.
Gurth *IS* Gridsec. As is David. And, I think, Tim....

--
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| | graphical shell for a 16 bit patch to an 8 bit |
|Andrew Halliwell | operating system originally coded for a 4 bit |
|Principal Subjects in:- |microprocessor, written by a 2 bit company, that|
|Comp Sci & Electronics | can't stand 1 bit of competition. |
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Message no. 63
From: Avenger <Avenger@*******.DEMON.CO.UK>
Subject: Re: ShadowRN vs. rec.games.frp.cyber
Date: Fri, 3 Jul 1998 03:02:41 +0100
In article <199807020942.LAA06512@*****.xs4all.nl>, Gurth
<gurth@******.NL> writes
>Spike said on 22:20/1 Jul 98,...
>
>> |editor (whatwashernameagain?) left :
>>
>> T'zer
>
>Ah yes, with all the arguments over how it's pronounced... "I say
>it's 'T'zer' but my friend says it's 'T'zer'. Which is right?" :)

Try asking by writing the word phonetically and you might actually get a
sensible answer, but for what it's worth I pronounce it T'zer
<smirk>

>> | Incubated into the First Church of the Sqooshy Ball, 21-05-1998
>>
>> ACK!
>> Worry not friends! We'll save him! We'll save them all!!!
>
>What do you mean, "save"?! You're the ones who needs to be
>saved, you, Paolo and Pete!

I've been saved. I have saved myself from years of torment feeding the
nasty little smiley creature my life's essence. He is now a crusty slag
heap in my garden. I've finally discovered a way to destroy Bob.

And I'm going to get every single one of them...


--
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Message no. 64
From: Blaze <Blaze@*******.DEMON.CO.UK>
Subject: Re: ShadowRN vs. rec.games.frp.cyber
Date: Fri, 3 Jul 1998 03:15:43 +0100
In article <199807020942.LAA06520@*****.xs4all.nl>, Gurth
<gurth@******.NL> writes
>Blaze said on 1:36/2 Jul 98,...
>
>> It wasn't the infamous tea question, it was the infamous UK question
>> that turned into the "Explain to Blaze what tea was thread". :)
>
>So it basically was the Tea Question, or at least turned into it very
>quickly :)

Turned into it very very quickly. Within three messages I think. :)

>> atmosphere created on this list. The lack of hostility, and though
>> there are copious carpings, at least they're in the best possible taste
>> - though the smell is atrocious.
>
>That's the whole idea behind the carps... They're not as hard-
>hitting as flames but do tell you that you should change your
>ways.

Oh is that what they're for. Oops. OK Gurth I will change my ways -
now if only I could remember what you carped me for. :)

>> Heh. I still maintain it's your fault. If you hadn't been so chatty, we
>> wouldn't have found reasons to answer your mail at such length and crash
>> your mailer. :)
>
>To be fair, it didn't crash it. It just refused to make the message
>any longer

Isn't that the same thing? If it won't accept it then it has reached
the program's limitation so, technically it has crashed a part of the
program. :)

>so I had to split it in two :/ Luckily the version of
>Pegasus I'm using now doesn't have a maximum length to emails
>anymore.

Oh goody. <evil smirk>

>> >Hey! What about David, Tim, and me?! :)
>> You're not GridSec. You're just random patrolling vigilantes. :)
>
>I'm not GridSec?

No, you're much too nice to be GridSec. GridSec are big ugly people who
stomp around in hobnailed boots jumping up and down on people for minor
infractions of the FAQ.

Oh wait a minute, that's Spike.

OK, what is your function within GridSec. And who are David (Brueher??)
and Tim (Kerby??)

>I _came_up_ with the term GridSec for the
>function David, Tim and I were given by Adam...

And that function is/was?


--
Blaze
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Shadowrun: rants and a whole bunch of other stuff.
Message no. 65
From: Nexx Many-Scars <Nexx3@***.COM>
Subject: Re: ShadowRN vs. rec.games.frp.cyber
Date: Thu, 2 Jul 1998 23:44:13 EDT
In a message dated 02/07/98 21:53:32 Central Daylight Time,
Blaze@*******.DEMON.CO.UK writes:

> >> It wasn't the infamous tea question, it was the infamous UK question
> >> that turned into the "Explain to Blaze what tea was thread". :)
> >
> >So it basically was the Tea Question, or at least turned into it very
> >quickly :)
>
> Turned into it very very quickly. Within three messages I think. :)

Forgive the poor psycho newbie, but WTF?

Nexx
Message no. 66
From: Gurth <gurth@******.NL>
Subject: Re: ShadowRN vs. rec.games.frp.cyber
Date: Fri, 3 Jul 1998 11:34:23 +0100
Blaze said on 3:15/3 Jul 98,...

> >So it basically was the Tea Question, or at least turned into it very
> >quickly :)
>
> Turned into it very very quickly. Within three messages I think. :)

And you've been reminded of it every time you posted something
to the list afterward :)

> >That's the whole idea behind the carps... They're not as hard-
> >hitting as flames but do tell you that you should change your
> >ways.
>
> Oh is that what they're for. Oops. OK Gurth I will change my ways -
> now if only I could remember what you carped me for. :)

I wish I could, too...

> >I'm not GridSec?
>
> No, you're much too nice to be GridSec. GridSec are big ugly people who
> stomp around in hobnailed boots jumping up and down on people for minor
> infractions of the FAQ.
>
> Oh wait a minute, that's Spike.
>
> OK, what is your function within GridSec. And who are David (Brueher??)
> and Tim (Kerby??)

We're the enforcement division, who point out to people (through
private email) that they're not following the FAQ's
guidelines/rules, and we help those who need help to post
correctly.

> >I _came_up_ with the term GridSec for the
> >function David, Tim and I were given by Adam...
>
> And that function is/was?

I just explained that, didn't I? :)

--
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-> NERPS Project Leader * ShadowRN GridSec * Unofficial Shadowrun Guru <-
-> The Plastic Warriors Page: http://www.xs4all.nl/~gurth/plastic.html <-
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Message no. 67
From: Spike <u5a77@*****.CS.KEELE.AC.UK>
Subject: Re: ShadowRN vs. rec.games.frp.cyber
Date: Fri, 3 Jul 1998 17:29:11 +0100
And verily, did Nexx Many-Scars hastily scribble thusly...
|> Turned into it very very quickly. Within three messages I think. :)
|
|Forgive the poor psycho newbie, but WTF?

You DON'T want to know.

Move along, there's nothing to see here.....
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| | graphical shell for a 16 bit patch to an 8 bit |
|Andrew Halliwell | operating system originally coded for a 4 bit |
|Principal Subjects in:- |microprocessor, written by a 2 bit company, that|
|Comp Sci & Electronics | can't stand 1 bit of competition. |
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Message no. 68
From: Nexx Many-Scars <Nexx3@***.COM>
Subject: Re: ShadowRN vs. rec.games.frp.cyber
Date: Fri, 3 Jul 1998 14:56:51 EDT
In a message dated 98-07-03 12:30:22 EDT, you write:

> And verily, did Nexx Many-Scars hastily scribble thusly...
> |> Turned into it very very quickly. Within three messages I think. :)
> |
> |Forgive the poor psycho newbie, but WTF?
>
> You DON'T want to know.

I DO want to know.... and I can act more childish than you can, so don't test
me on this...
Message no. 69
From: Blaze <Blaze@*******.DEMON.CO.UK>
Subject: Re: ShadowRN vs. rec.games.frp.cyber
Date: Fri, 3 Jul 1998 19:09:00 +0100
In article <199807030934.LAA14598@*****.xs4all.nl>, Gurth
<gurth@******.NL> writes
>Blaze said on 3:15/3 Jul 98,...
>
>> >So it basically was the Tea Question, or at least turned into it very
>> >quickly :)
>> Turned into it very very quickly. Within three messages I think. :)
>
>And you've been reminded of it every time you posted something
>to the list afterward :)

Yes Gurth, I have. Usually by *you* ;)

>> Oh is that what they're for. Oops. OK Gurth I will change my ways -
>> now if only I could remember what you carped me for. :)
>
>I wish I could, too...

LOL.

>> OK, what is your function within GridSec. And who are David (Brueher??)
>> and Tim (Kerby??)
>
>We're the enforcement division, who point out to people (through
>private email) that they're not following the FAQ's
>guidelines/rules, and we help those who need help to post
>correctly.

Uhuh. I wonder?

>> >I _came_up_ with the term GridSec for the
>> >function David, Tim and I were given by Adam...
>> And that function is/was?
>
>I just explained that, didn't I? :)

No, you explained the "job" not what *your* function is/was. :)

Seeing as this thread has been totally OT and you have been as guilty as
I of continuing it. Shouldn't you thwap yourself and point yourself to
the FAQ? <grin>

(*amused at the concept of Gurth beating himself around with a wet carp
as part of his GridSec duties*)


--
Blaze
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Message no. 70
From: Avenger <Avenger@*******.DEMON.CO.UK>
Subject: Re: ShadowRN vs. rec.games.frp.cyber
Date: Fri, 3 Jul 1998 21:56:52 +0100
In article <4c14276b.359d2977@***.com>, Nexx Many-Scars <Nexx3@***.COM>
writes
>In a message dated 98-07-03 12:30:22 EDT, you write:
>
>> And verily, did Nexx Many-Scars hastily scribble thusly...
>> |> Turned into it very very quickly. Within three messages I think. :)
>> |Forgive the poor psycho newbie, but WTF?
>> You DON'T want to know.
>
>I DO want to know.... and I can act more childish than you can, so don't test
>me on this...

The reason Spike doesn't think you need to know is twofold. First, he
ended up as the butt of the joke, second, it's in the logs, and not very
difficult to find. :)

I doubt many of the old timers would want to resurrect that particular
thread. :)

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Message no. 71
From: David Buehrer <dbuehrer@******.CARL.ORG>
Subject: Re: ShadowRN vs. rec.games.frp.cyber
Date: Fri, 3 Jul 1998 18:53:06 -0600
Nexx Many-Scars wrote:
/
/ In a message dated 98-07-03 12:30:22 EDT, you write:
/
/ > And verily, did Nexx Many-Scars hastily scribble thusly...
/ > |> Turned into it very very quickly. Within three messages I think. :)
/ > |
/ > |Forgive the poor psycho newbie, but WTF?
/ >
/ > You DON'T want to know.
/
/ I DO want to know.... and I can act more childish than you can, so don't test
/ me on this...

When Blaze first joined the list she was posting in character (except
we didn't know that) and asked what tea was. And several people
thought she was serious and replied. Along the way someone made a
reference to Jean Luc Picard and she claimed to not know who he was or
what Star Trek was.
From that point thinks just kind of got out of control. We laugh about
it now :)

-David
--
"If I told you, then I'd have to pull a Shadowrun against you. Sorry."
--
email: dbuehrer@******.carl.org
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Message no. 72
From: Nexx Many-Scars <Nexx3@***.COM>
Subject: Re: ShadowRN vs. rec.games.frp.cyber
Date: Fri, 3 Jul 1998 23:05:25 EDT
In a message dated 03/07/98 19:52:37 Central Daylight Time,
dbuehrer@******.CARL.ORG writes:

> When Blaze first joined the list she was posting in character (except
> we didn't know that) and asked what tea was. And several people
> thought she was serious and replied. Along the way someone made a
> reference to Jean Luc Picard and she claimed to not know who he was or
> what Star Trek was.
> From that point thinks just kind of got out of control. We laugh about
> it now :)

Thank you, David.

Nexx
Message no. 73
From: Gurth <gurth@******.NL>
Subject: Re: ShadowRN vs. rec.games.frp.cyber
Date: Sat, 4 Jul 1998 12:04:09 +0100
Blaze said on 19:09/3 Jul 98,...

> >And you've been reminded of it every time you posted something
> >to the list afterward :)
>
> Yes Gurth, I have. Usually by *you* ;)

That's true...

> >We're the enforcement division, who point out to people (through
> >private email) that they're not following the FAQ's
> >guidelines/rules, and we help those who need help to post
> >correctly.
>
> Uhuh. I wonder?

You know, all the people posting attachements and HTML, or not
quoting messages in the right order...

> >I just explained that, didn't I? :)
>
> No, you explained the "job" not what *your* function is/was. :)

My function is doing that job. I thought that was obvious :)

> Seeing as this thread has been totally OT and you have been as guilty as
> I of continuing it. Shouldn't you thwap yourself and point yourself to
> the FAQ? <grin>
>
> (*amused at the concept of Gurth beating himself around with a wet carp
> as part of his GridSec duties*)

One of the advantages of being GridSec is that you can do the
things you have to tell others not to *grin*

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Message no. 74
From: Spike <u5a77@*****.CS.KEELE.AC.UK>
Subject: Re: ShadowRN vs. rec.games.frp.cyber
Date: Sat, 4 Jul 1998 11:49:20 +0100
And verily, did Nexx Many-Scars hastily scribble thusly...
|> You DON'T want to know.
|
|I DO want to know.... and I can act more childish than you can, so don't test
|me on this...
|

Nope. You can't. Remember, I've had MUCH longer to practice....
:)
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| | graphical shell for a 16 bit patch to an 8 bit |
|Andrew Halliwell | operating system originally coded for a 4 bit |
|Principal Subjects in:- |microprocessor, written by a 2 bit company, that|
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Message no. 75
From: K is the Symbol <Ereskanti@***.COM>
Subject: Re: ShadowRN vs. rec.games.frp.cyber
Date: Sat, 4 Jul 1998 14:30:34 EDT
In a message dated 7/4/98 5:49:38 AM US Eastern Standard Time,
u5a77@*****.CS.KEELE.AC.UK writes:

> |I DO want to know.... and I can act more childish than you can, so don't
> test
> |me on this...
> |
>
> Nope. You can't. Remember, I've had MUCH longer to practice....
> :)
>
That may or may not be true Spike. Practice means that you have to -work at-
being childish. Somehow I think Nexx , being so much younger, shouldn't have
near as much trouble remembering what it was like being childish... :P It
should come naturarlly to him.

-K
Message no. 76
From: Nexx Many-Scars <Nexx3@***.COM>
Subject: Re: ShadowRN vs. rec.games.frp.cyber
Date: Sat, 4 Jul 1998 15:53:13 EDT
In a message dated 98-07-04 06:49:39 EDT, you write:

> |I DO want to know.... and I can act more childish than you can, so don't
> test
> |me on this...
> |
>
> Nope. You can't. Remember, I've had MUCH longer to practice....

Can so.
Message no. 77
From: Spike <u5a77@*****.CS.KEELE.AC.UK>
Subject: Re: ShadowRN vs. rec.games.frp.cyber
Date: Sat, 4 Jul 1998 21:20:18 +0100
Sorry Adam.... 'sgot to be done....

And verily, did Nexx Many-Scars hastily scribble thusly...
|
|In a message dated 98-07-04 06:49:39 EDT, you write:
|
|> |I DO want to know.... and I can act more childish than you can, so don't
|> test
|> |me on this...
|> |
|>
|> Nope. You can't. Remember, I've had MUCH longer to practice....
|
|Can so.
|

CAN NOT!!! X 10000
So neeer
:p
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|u5a77@*****.cs.keele.ac.uk| Windows95 (noun): 32 bit extensions and a |
| | graphical shell for a 16 bit patch to an 8 bit |
|Andrew Halliwell | operating system originally coded for a 4 bit |
|Principal Subjects in:- |microprocessor, written by a 2 bit company, that|
|Comp Sci & Electronics | can't stand 1 bit of competition. |
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|GCv3.1 GCS/EL>$ d---(dpu) s+/- a- C++ U N++ o+ K- w-- M+/++ PS+++ PE- Y t+ |
|5++ X+/++ R+ tv+ b+ D G e>PhD h/h+ !r! !y-|I can't say F**K either now! :( |
Message no. 78
From: Nexx Many-Scars <Nexx3@***.COM>
Subject: Re: ShadowRN vs. rec.games.frp.cyber
Date: Sat, 4 Jul 1998 16:21:44 EDT
In a message dated 98-07-04 16:20:42 EDT, you write:

> > Nope. You can't. Remember, I've had MUCH longer to practice....
> |
> |Can so.
> |
>
> CAN NOT!!! X 10000

CAN SO!!!!!!! X INFINITY!

pbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbttttttt!
Message no. 79
From: Bull <chaos@*****.COM>
Subject: Re: ShadowRN vs. rec.games.frp.cyber
Date: Mon, 6 Jul 1998 03:28:01 -0400
At 10:20 PM 7/1/98 +0100, Spike wrote these timeless words:

>( My real name (though
>|with a typo) even appears in one issue ;)
>
>Darn you to heck. (The home planet of Evil the Cat)
>All my YSs got consigned to the great speccy library in the sky YEARS ago.
>Another chance at finding your true name in the dustbin....
>
Hehe... Hey Gurth, I found something with your name on it this weekend :]

For the rest of you: Donations to the "Pay for Bull's way to Gen Con" just
may net you the nam,e, if the price is right. Gurth is always free to
counteroffer...

<g>

Just kidding man :]

Bull
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Message no. 80
From: K is the Symbol <Ereskanti@***.COM>
Subject: Re: ShadowRN vs. rec.games.frp.cyber
Date: Mon, 6 Jul 1998 03:29:30 EDT
In a message dated 7/6/98 2:23:16 AM US Eastern Standard Time, chaos@*****.COM
writes:

> Hehe... Hey Gurth, I found something with your name on it this weekend :]
>
> For the rest of you: Donations to the "Pay for Bull's way to Gen Con"
just
> may net you the nam,e, if the price is right. Gurth is always free to
> counteroffer...
>
that isn't very funny Bull, especially since it is my understanding that
Wolfstar, Jett and Mattb are meeting at your place on Tuesday night and then
the lot of you (assuming Tinner too ;) are meeting Tim, Thomas, Gurth,
Mongoose and myself on Wednesday night at the UWM...

-K
Message no. 81
From: Dvixen <dvixen@********.COM>
Subject: Re: ShadowRN vs. rec.games.frp.cyber
Date: Mon, 6 Jul 1998 00:52:43 -0700
At 12:28 AM 7/6/98 , you wrote:
>At 10:20 PM 7/1/98 +0100, Spike wrote these timeless words:

>Hehe... Hey Gurth, I found something with your name on it this weekend :]
>
>For the rest of you: Donations to the "Pay for Bull's way to Gen Con" just
>may net you the nam,e, if the price is right. Gurth is always free to
>counteroffer...

Heh. I should put out for bids on his picture. ;) After all, I can't get to
GenCon cause I can't get time off, but with a good enough bribe for the
management... ;)


-Dvixen
dvixen@********.com

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