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From:	"Robert A. Hayden" <hayden@*******.MANKATO.MSUS.EDU>
Subject:	Shadowrun and the Cyberpunk genre
Date:	Sat, 13 May 1995 13:07:16 -0500

Message no. 1 Listen folx.

If you think WAY back to Blue Book days, when Shadowrun was born and we
had the deVinci-esque depictions of the different races (ahh, those were
the days), you would have seen that at its inception Shadowrun was a
CYBERPUNK game.

It was not a magic game with CP tacked on to it, nor was it a CP game
with magic tacked on it. It was a CP game with magic WEAVED into it.

FASA, probably in conjunction with Earthdawn, has served to change the
focus of Shadowrun over the last couple of years away from teh hard and
gritty reality of CP into the happy and fluffy reality of a AD&D clone
game with guns. Blech!

To all of you that can't stand the fact that SR has guns in it and not
enough magic, go play another bloody game. If AD&D doesn't suit you, try
Ars Magica. 'Chart'master, or even GURPS. Don't, however, bore us with
your whining about the fact that CP is part of the SR storyline.

I just don't want to hear it.

____ Robert A. Hayden <=> Cthulhu Matata
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From:	"John W. Carter" <scarterjw@****.TRISTATE.EDU>
Subject:	Re: Shadowrun and the Cyberpunk genre
Date:	Sat, 13 May 1995 13:31:51 -0500

Message no. 2 >FASA, probably in conjunction with Earthdawn, has served to change the
>focus of Shadowrun over the last couple of years away from teh hard and
>gritty reality of CP into the happy and fluffy reality of a AD&D clone
>game with guns. Blech!
>
>To all of you that can't stand the fact that SR has guns in it and not
>enough magic, go play another bloody game. If AD&D doesn't suit you, try
>Ars Magica. 'Chart'master, or even GURPS. Don't, however, bore us with
>your whining about the fact that CP is part of the SR storyline.
>
>I just don't want to hear it.
>
>____ Robert A. Hayden <=> Cthulhu Matata
>\ /__ -=-=-=-=- <=> -=-=-=-=-
> \/ / Finger for Geek Code Info <=> hayden@*******.mankato.msus.edu
> \/ Finger for PGP Public Key <=> http://att2.cs.mankato.msus.edu/~hayden

Listen: some of us, myself and my group included, like the mixure of guns and
magic. Nobody I've heard is complaining about there not being ENOUGH magic in
SR, and I doubt that the focus of SR is being in any way taken away from the
gritty, dark-future that you seem to fawn over. Just because of one campaign
(HB) you think SR's going to hell in a Horror-basket. If you don't like it,
play CP2020, and leave the rest of us alone.

(Thank you, I feel better now.)

John Carter
...You have fallen far...

From:	P Ward <P.Ward@**.CF.AC.UK>
Subject:	Re: Shadowrun and the Cyberpunk genre
Date:	Mon, 15 May 1995 12:35:39 BST

Message no. 3 Our Fearless leader wrote :-
> FASA, probably in conjunction with Earthdawn, has served to change the
> focus of Shadowrun over the last couple of years away from teh hard and
> gritty reality of CP into the happy and fluffy reality of a AD&D clone
> game with guns. Blech!

Hey, some of us didn;t like the way most of the original adventures cast
you as schumcks or heroes either, so we put together our own more corp-
oriented stuff to ensure that the players, while still fairly heroic -
did stuff that real heroes would turn their noses up at. Black ops, stuff
like that.

My game is cyberpunk, urban and messy. The only thing happy and fluffy is
the small white rabbit sitting outside the cave club, surrounded by bones.

Phil (Rengade; one rabbit stew coming up)

Oh yeah, and the rabbit has a 15S directed AP-Mine under it, and you're
in the blast, shoulda been more careful gato.

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