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Message no. 1
From: loneeagle@********.co.uk (Lone Eagle)
Subject: Shadowrun at the movies
Date: Fri, 27 Dec 2002 14:37:02 +0000
I've got an addition to my thoughts on making a shadowrun movie. Casting:
The Samurai, older than average, a sort of Argent geared dude tearing
himself up over whether his cyber is cutting edge enough, whether he's fast
enough, strong enough, tough enough to survive on the streets this time.
Kurt Russell, for a start he looks like Argent and he does the emotional
turmoil side better than most of the actors who made their start by being
big blokes.
I'm torn as to whether to make the primary female 'runner a decker in the
vein of Archangel or the "beautiful but deadly ballerina" which might be a
good Uma Therman role.


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Message no. 2
From: ValeuJ@*************.navy.mil (Valeu John EMFA)
Subject: Shadowrun at the movies
Date: Fri, 27 Dec 2002 19:18:08 -0800
>I've got an addition to my thoughts on making a shadowrun movie. Casting:
>The Samurai, older than average, a sort of Argent geared dude tearing
>himself up over whether his cyber is cutting edge enough, whether he's fast

>enough, strong enough, tough enough to survive on the streets this time.
>Kurt Russell, for a start he looks like Argent and he does the emotional
>turmoil side better than most of the actors who made their start by being
>big blokes.
>I'm torn as to whether to make the primary female 'runner a decker in the
>vein of Archangel or the "beautiful but deadly ballerina" which might be a
>good Uma Therman role.

As for the rest of the team, how about a wantabe that only listens to the
grizzled old vet.
Someone young and can play headstrong.... hmmm... probably someone little
known
or completely unknown.

EM3 John Valeu
-AKA- TimeKeeper, Nocren
Message no. 3
From: korishinzo@*****.com (Ice Heart)
Subject: Shadowrun at the movies
Date: Fri, 27 Dec 2002 10:44:13 -0800 (PST)
--- Valeu John EMFA <ValeuJ@*************.navy.mil>
wrote:
> >I've got an addition to my thoughts on making a
> shadowrun movie. Casting:
> >The Samurai, older than average, a sort of Argent
> geared dude tearing
> >himself up over whether his cyber is cutting edge
> enough, whether he's fast
>
> >enough, strong enough, tough enough to survive on
> the streets this time.
> >Kurt Russell, for a start he looks like Argent and
> he does the emotional
> >turmoil side better than most of the actors who
> made their start by being
> >big blokes.
> >I'm torn as to whether to make the primary female
> 'runner a decker in the
> >vein of Archangel or the "beautiful but deadly
> ballerina" which might be a
> >good Uma Therman role.
>
> As for the rest of the team, how about a wantabe
> that only listens to the
> grizzled old vet.
> Someone young and can play headstrong.... hmmm...
> probably someone little
> known
> or completely unknown.
>
> EM3 John Valeu
> -AKA- TimeKeeper, Nocren

Both Michael Ironsides and Keannu Reaves have
demonstrated a strong interest in science fiction
movies, sometimes without much discrimination over
scripts, in the former case. Ironsides would make a
great security chief, or a marginal Mr. Johnson.
Reaves could do whatever. Decker or rigger would
probably work well. He is not really convincing as
the bulked up cyberfreak...though he has surprised me
before in his career.

Personally, I'd like to see any women in leading roles
in an SR movie break the stereotype of woman in
fantasy films. They should wear as much clothing and
armor as the male characters. I like the idea of a
female leader, a la Sharon Louise Young in Shadowplay.
A retired, cynical runner forced back into action by
events. Actually...Shadowplay might be an all around
good movie. You have the raw newbie and the aging
cynic together on a run. The pace is fast, fast,
fast. There is no romance angle. The story has the
right mix of loss and bittersweat victory. It gives
you a woman in the primary role, and she is not some
bimbo running around half dressed. Hmmm...

And I just thought of where we can get metahuman
extras. After Return of the King wraps, there are
going to be hundreds of out-of-work Uruk-hai over in
New Zealand. I would think they'd be happy to clean
up and play ork stret folk. Maybe those cave trolls
coul be convinced to strap on some respectable horns
and wear clothing. And there are those elves and
dwarves too. They might be needing work as well. ;p

(the preceeding paragraph has been facetious, and is
NOT an invitation to question my grip on
reality...there are plenty of OTHER reasons to do
that)

Korishinzo


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Message no. 4
From: maxnoel_fr@*****.fr (Max Noel)
Subject: Shadowrun at the movies
Date: Fri, 27 Dec 2002 20:38:21 +0100
At 10:44 27/12/2002 -0800, Ice Heart wrote:

>Both Michael Ironsides and Keannu Reaves have
>demonstrated a strong interest in science fiction
>movies, sometimes without much discrimination over
>scripts, in the former case. Ironsides would make a
>great security chief, or a marginal Mr. Johnson.
>Reaves could do whatever. Decker or rigger would
>probably work well. He is not really convincing as
>the bulked up cyberfreak...though he has surprised me
>before in his career.

I think Keanu Reeves would indeed be a good decker, or a physad.
He played both roles quite well in The Matrix, after all...
Now, for the cybered up psycho... Bruce Willis or Mel Gibson would
be perfect. Besides, people are used to seeing them taking 8 or 9 boxes of
physical per movie... (the action movie condition monitor: Light, Moderate,
Serious, Bruce Willis, Deadly :p )

>Personally, I'd like to see any women in leading roles
>in an SR movie break the stereotype of woman in
>fantasy films. They should wear as much clothing and
>armor as the male characters. I like the idea of a
>female leader, a la Sharon Louise Young in Shadowplay.
> A retired, cynical runner forced back into action by
>events.

Linda Hamilton as Sarah Connor (esp. in T2) comes to mind...

> And there are those elves and
>dwarves too. They might be needing work as well. ;p

Aww... Now I have this mental image of dwarf John Rhys-Davies and
elf Jerry O'Connell as a team of scientist gone bad-style runners... I've
been watching way too much TV series.

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Message no. 5
From: loneeagle@********.co.uk (Lone Eagle)
Subject: Shadowrun at the movies
Date: Fri, 27 Dec 2002 20:02:47 +0000
At 08:38 PM 27/12/2002 +0100, you wrote:
>>Personally, I'd like to see any women in leading roles
>>in an SR movie break the stereotype of woman in
>>fantasy films. They should wear as much clothing and
>>armor as the male characters. I like the idea of a
>>female leader, a la Sharon Louise Young in Shadowplay.
>> A retired, cynical runner forced back into action by
>>events.
>
> Linda Hamilton as Sarah Connor (esp. in T2) comes to mind...

I was thinking as a possible decker someone like Emma Thompson as she was
in Wit (bedridden, last stage cancer, looking like the effects of various
therapies have been taking their toll) but a more active female character
would be required so that the studio backing you wasn't accused of sexism,
(the generally masculine make up of most teams is probably more due to the
male dominance of the hobby rather than a particular lack of female
'runners.) I might suggest perhaps whatsername from "3rd rock from the
sun", she's tall enough to actually play an orc role which might be quite
cool. Change the idea that all orcs are vastly changed, ugly and with huge
tusks... But yes, she should be wearing the same levels of armour as the
male combat characters. (despite the fact that it might push the box office
takes up a chunk if she were "Sapphire: Shadowrunner for hire". :D ) At
least for the majority of the movie, although an evening dress should the
initial introductory 'run be something like the embassy ball in Mission:
Impossible should be considered, putting the "female lead" in a tux is not
going to get the job done, she is going to have to sacrifice the ability to
dress "fat" in order to blend in.


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Message no. 6
From: korishinzo@*****.com (Ice Heart)
Subject: Shadowrun at the movies
Date: Fri, 27 Dec 2002 12:33:38 -0800 (PST)
> I was thinking as a possible decker someone like
> Emma Thompson as she was
> in Wit (bedridden, last stage cancer, looking like
> the effects of various
> therapies have been taking their toll) but a more
> active female character
> would be required so that the studio backing you
> wasn't accused of sexism,
> (the generally masculine make up of most teams is
> probably more due to the
> male dominance of the hobby rather than a particular
> lack of female
> 'runners.)

Perhaps. I have found that so very few gamers manage
to portray a character whose gender differs from their
own. Either the character is a ridiculous stereotype,
or an insulting charicature, or else they are just
afraid to embrace the character because of peer
pressure. It is reather difficult in a table top
setting for most people to picture a character of
different gender than the player. Or it seems to be.

> I might suggest perhaps whatsername from
> "3rd rock from the sun",

Kristen Johnston

> she's tall enough to actually play an orc role
> which might be quite
> cool. Change the idea that all orcs are vastly
> changed, ugly and with huge
> tusks...

LOL...I like that image.

> But yes, she should be wearing the same
> levels of armour as the
> male combat characters. (despite the fact that it
> might push the box office
> takes up a chunk if she were "Sapphire: Shadowrunner
> for hire". :D )

ROFL...I am picturing the masculine, gruff dwarf
wannabe runner who's only idea about being a
shadowrunner comes from slotting Kyle Blade and
Sapphire sims. You could do whole amusing segues
where he "researches" good tactics by watching
interactive simsense chips. He'd be absolutely
horrified by the female ork dressed in 15 kilos of
armor. "But, but...real runners..." :)

> At least for the majority of the movie, although an
> evening dress should the
> initial introductory 'run be something like the
> embassy ball in Mission:
> Impossible should be considered, putting the "female
> lead" in a tux is not
> going to get the job done, she is going to have to
> sacrifice the ability to
> dress "fat" in order to blend in.

I think your dazzlingly beautiful female character
should be the rigger. She sits there looking
absolutely stunning in an evening gown, but saying
little...until someone starts talking about their
latest sportscar. Boom. She comes alive and puts
them all to shame, proving she is the biggest
techhead, and a mechanical genius to boot.
The decker should be a wheelchair-bound, barely
post-pubescent lad with a crush on the big ork street
sam woman. Seth Green maybe. :)

======Korishinzo
--liking that image...Seth Green staring wistfully at
Kristen Johnston, tusks and all, while she tries to
ignore him...LOL

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Message no. 7
From: justin@******.net (Justin Bell)
Subject: Shadowrun at the movies
Date: Fri, 27 Dec 2002 15:47:06 -0500
Ice Heart said the following on 12/27/2002 3:33 PM:

> Perhaps. I have found that so very few gamers manage
> to portray a character whose gender differs from their
> own. Either the character is a ridiculous stereotype,
> or an insulting charicature, or else they are just
> afraid to embrace the character because of peer
> pressure. It is reather difficult in a table top
> setting for most people to picture a character of
> different gender than the player. Or it seems to be.

and it's also very hard to umm... flirt I guess, with a big burly guy
playing a petite female elf, etc. Sure, it can be done, but it usually
feels very weird


>>she's tall enough to actually play an orc role
>>which might be quite
>>cool. Change the idea that all orcs are vastly
>>changed, ugly and with huge
>>tusks...
>
>
> LOL...I like that image.

Nobody ever said Orcs HAD to be ugly. Sure, a little toothy, but the
warts and bumps aren't a requirement. I always imagined them to have
rather large tracts of land though

> I think your dazzlingly beautiful female character
> should be the rigger. She sits there looking
> absolutely stunning in an evening gown, but saying
> little...until someone starts talking about their
> latest sportscar.

sorta like a Marisa Tomei in My Cousin Vinny?
Message no. 8
From: pentaj2@****.edu (Penta John C)
Subject: Shadowrun at the movies
Date: Fri, 27 Dec 2002 22:14:50 -0500
----- Original Message -----
From: Ice Heart <korishinzo@*****.com>
Date: Friday, December 27, 2002 3:33 pm
Subject: RE: Shadowrun at the movies

> I think your dazzlingly beautiful female character
> should be the rigger. She sits there looking
> absolutely stunning in an evening gown, but saying
> little...until someone starts talking about their
> latest sportscar. Boom. She comes alive and puts
> them all to shame, proving she is the biggest
Message no. 9
From: ValeuJ@*************.navy.mil (Valeu John EMFA)
Subject: Shadowrun at the movies
Date: Sat, 28 Dec 2002 08:12:37 -0800
> >> But yes, she should be wearing the same
> >> levels of armour as the
>> male combat characters. (despite the fact that it
> >> might push the box office
> >> takes up a chunk if she were "Sapphire: Shadowrunner
> >> for hire". :D )
>
> >> At least for the majority of the movie, although an
> >> evening dress should the
> >> initial introductory 'run be something like the
> >> embassy ball in Mission:
> >> Impossible should be considered, putting the "female
> >> lead" in a tux is not
> >> going to get the job done, she is going to have to
> >> sacrifice the ability to
> >> dress "fat" in order to blend in.
>
>I think your dazzlingly beautiful female character
>should be the rigger. She sits there looking
>absolutely stunning in an evening gown, but saying
>little...until someone starts talking about their
>latest sportscar. Boom. She comes alive and puts
>them all to shame, proving she is the biggest
>techhead, and a mechanical genius to boot.
>The decker should be a wheelchair-bound, barely
>post-pubescent lad with a crush on the big ork street
>sam woman. Seth Green maybe. :)

>======>Korishinzo
>--liking that image...Seth Green staring wistfully at
>Kristen Johnston, tusks and all, while she tries to
>ignore him...LOL


Hmmm.... In a pinch, we could use Michael Bhein (spelling?) as the main
roll He's played both spec-ops and regular military (sort-of). (Thinking
Art of War and Terminator here). Plus he was the inspiration for the box
art of Solid Snake in the first Metal Gear game (NES, not PSX).

I like the idea of a tough woman. Kristen Johnston is a good choice. Look
at first season of "Third Rock". Her character was more comfortable in
combat boots then in heels. Another idea would be Julie Strain (I know her
background, but Heavy Metal 2000 was a good movie and proved she could act
better then in her previous roles).

Seth Green... maybe. I would prefer someone younger.

Of course if we were doing "Shadowplay" I could definitely see him and Ms.
Johnston as the leads.

The main thing here is script. How would you set everything up? The
intro-run is a good idea, perhaps the main villain is there and since it was
his operation, he wants revenge and hires and sets up the runners who barely
fall through his grasp. (This scenario also sets up future possible
sequels).

I could picture Clive Owen or the Transporter-lead as a head of security
(second or possible lead villain) that has his op fouled up by these runners
and would like revenge.

And we should have a troll in there as well. My mind still can't grasp the
size difference here. I would like a visual representation. (Could have a
little bit of fun with the troll's size as well, how large he is and how
small the rest of the world is.)

EM3 John Valeu
-AKA- TimeKeeper, Nocren
Message no. 10
From: loneeagle@********.co.uk (Lone Eagle)
Subject: Shadowrun at the movies
Date: Sat, 28 Dec 2002 13:33:38 +0000
At 08:12 AM 28/12/2002 -0800, John wrote:
>Hmmm.... In a pinch, we could use Michael Bhein (spelling?) as the main
>roll He's played both spec-ops and regular military (sort-of). (Thinking
>Art of War and Terminator here). Plus he was the inspiration for the box
>art of Solid Snake in the first Metal Gear game (NES, not PSX).

Michael Biehn would work well, look at Aliens, but I wouldn't put him in
the "Grizzled Samurai" role. He could do it but I think Kurt Russell would
look better with a pair of mirror chromed cyberarms. If I were to use Biehn
I think he'd do better in the Weapon specialist/Armourer role (think about
the explanation of the M41a to Ripley).
I might use whatsisname (played Chavez in Clear and Present Danger IIRC and
defined combat in "The Rock") for the rookie.

>The main thing here is script. How would you set everything up? The
>intro-run is a good idea, perhaps the main villain is there and since it was
>his operation, he wants revenge and hires and sets up the runners who barely
>fall through his grasp. (This scenario also sets up future possible
>sequels).

I'd stick with the idea that the 'runners aren't going to face the "Bad
Guy", keep it to faceless corporations like Aztechnology rather than a Bond
style Villain. To steal Kori's turn of phrase stick to middle management
villains.
Thinking about Tim Curry as Richard Villiers I might put Micheal Wincott
(Top Dollar in the Crow, Count Rochfort in the Disney 3 Musketeers) as the
prime "Bad Guy", the one that the 'runners actually have to deal with.

>And we should have a troll in there as well. My mind still can't grasp the
>size difference here. I would like a visual representation. (Could have a
>little bit of fun with the troll's size as well, how large he is and how
>small the rest of the world is.)

I'd put trolls in the background, not because I don't think that they
should be in there but because there's too much to go into one movie
already, I'd like to use Sam Neill for example perhaps as the Johnson but
there are so many people I'd like to use, if I used them all the movie
would end up like that illustration on page 315 of SR3, too busy for a
single viewing.


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Message no. 11
From: docwagon101@*****.com (Rand Ratinac)
Subject: Shadowrun at the movies
Date: Mon, 30 Dec 2002 01:30:43 +0000 (GMT)
<snipt!(TM)>
> I could picture Clive Owen or the Transporter-lead
as a head of security (second or possible lead
villain) that has his op fouled up by these runners
and would like revenge.
> EM3 John Valeu

Clive Owen would be good for that role. Jason Statham
(Transporter lead) - actually, I could see him in a
variety of roles (have you seen any of his other
movies? Rather versatile). If there's a psychotic
character of any kind in the movie, he'd be great in
the role (see "Mean Machine" for why I think that :) ).

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Message no. 12
From: biki@****.net (Stuart M. Willis)
Subject: Shadowrun at the movies
Date: Mon, 30 Dec 2002 13:32:48 +1100
Now for my 2c.

> I think Keanu Reeves would indeed be a good decker, or a physad.
>He played both roles quite well in The Matrix, after all...

Yeech. I don't think Keanu Reeves can act at all - I think the
biggest achivement of the Matrix was how the Wachowski brothers used
Keanu's natural dimwittedness to the advantage of the Neo character.

> Now, for the cybered up psycho... Bruce Willis or Mel Gibson would
>be perfect. Besides, people are used to seeing them taking 8 or 9 boxes of
>physical per movie... (the action movie condition monitor: Light, Moderate,
>Serious, Bruce Willis, Deadly :p )

I'd prefer Bruce Willis over Mel Gibson any day. Wesley Snipes would
be another option - he's proved in Blade that he can play the quiet
hard ass effectively. Russell Crowe is a ruffian and would play one
well - he's also a better actor than Mel any day. Vin Diesel (sp)
would be a commanding ex-ganger.


> >Personally, I'd like to see any women in leading roles
>>in an SR movie break the stereotype of woman in
>>fantasy films. They should wear as much clothing and
>>armor as the male characters. I like the idea of a
>>female leader, a la Sharon Louise Young in Shadowplay.
>> A retired, cynical runner forced back into action by
>>events.
>
> Linda Hamilton as Sarah Connor (esp. in T2) comes to mind...

Other options which come to mine are Geena Davis - who has the
athletic figure; Susan Saradon (sp?) she can act and has a strong
presence; if we're going to recycle old sci-fi actors, Sigourney
Weaver - she's got the figure and she's a brilliant actress (Death
and the Maiden).

For younger females, I'd consider Franka Potente [Run Lola Run],
Eliza Durskhu (sp?) [Buffy and a bunch of shitty movies], Claudia
Black [Farscape], and whats her name from La Femme Nikita.

> > And there are those elves and
>>dwarves too. They might be needing work as well. ;p
>
> Aww... Now I have this mental image of dwarf John Rhys-Davies and
>elf Jerry O'Connell as a team of scientist gone bad-style runners... I've
>been watching way too much TV series.


Hahaha. I'd have Ed Norton play a hardassed elf. I find him to be a
very intellectual actor but with a nice lurking menace behind his
vulnerability.

Liam Neeson would be my pick as an elf or an ork. Good actor, strong presence.

Eric Bana could be an ork or a dwarf (remember its not about size as
LOTR has proven). Great actor, great presence.

Jet Li would have to be in there as a physad.

That's my list thus far.

I'd get either Ridley Scott or Chris Cunningham to direct.

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Message no. 13
From: ValeuJ@*************.navy.mil (Valeu John EMFA)
Subject: Shadowrun at the movies
Date: Mon, 30 Dec 2002 08:20:04 -0800
>Clive Owen would be good for that role. Jason Statham
>(Transporter lead) - actually, I could see him in a
>variety of roles (have you seen any of his other
>movies? Rather versatile). If there's a psychotic
>character of any kind in the movie, he'd be great in
>the role (see "Mean Machine" for why I think that :) ).
>(Doc)

Haven't seen Jason Statham in any non-American release I'm afraid, but I
still thought he was good in Ghosts of Mars (thank God I didn't pay to see
that pile), The One, and a couple others. As for Clive Owen, I've only seen
him in Privateer 2. But he did a damn good job during the cut scenes.
Blowing stuff up and intimidating people to get information.

>> Now, for the cybered up psycho... Bruce Willis or Mel Gibson
would
>>be perfect. Besides, people are used to seeing them taking 8 or 9 boxes of
>>physical per movie... (the action movie condition monitor: Light,
Moderate,
>>Serious, Bruce Willis, Deadly :p )

>I'd prefer Bruce Willis over Mel Gibson any day. Wesley Snipes would
>be another option - he's proved in Blade that he can play the quiet
>hard ass effectively. Russell Crowe is a ruffian and would play one
>well - he's also a better actor than Mel any day. Vin Diesel (sp)
>would be a commanding ex-ganger.

Maybe Bruce. I'd still prefer Kurt Russel. As for Vin Diesel, I'd like to
see him play something other else. He was damn good in Boiler Room. Maybe
have him as one of the main runners.

>>
>> Linda Hamilton as Sarah Connor (esp. in T2) comes to mind...

>Other options which come to mine are Geena Davis - who has the
>athletic figure; Susan Saradon (sp?) she can act and has a strong
>presence; if we're going to recycle old sci-fi actors, Sigourney
>Weaver - she's got the figure and she's a brilliant actress (Death
>and the Maiden).

>For younger females, I'd consider Franka Potente [Run Lola Run],
>Eliza Durskhu (sp?) [Buffy and a bunch of shitty movies], Claudia
>Black [Farscape], and whats her name from La Femme Nikita.

I was thinking of Claudia Black (think I mentioned her last year). I don't
think we should have too many older females. Thinking commercially here,
(and for the target audience). Don't get me wrong, I loved Aliens and The
Long Kiss Goodnight (I don't thing Susan Saradon can play in an action
movie), but the ladies are from a slightly older generation (and they'll
probably want a bigger paycheck then the young girls).

>Hahaha. I'd have Ed Norton play a hardassed elf. I find him to be a
>very intellectual actor but with a nice lurking menace behind his
>vulnerability.

OOOOOOOoooooooo...... I think we just found our Mr. Elf Johnson.
But we could do like M:I 2 did. Get a big name actor for a bit part (like
Mr. J) and show him in all the promos.

"I have a job for you..."
hey..... That could even be the open line of the teaser. Then show a bunch
of action shots, explosions, gun fights, etc. Then have Mr. J ask the
Grizzeld Vet "So, do we have a deal?"

>Liam Neeson would be my pick as an elf or an ork. Good actor, strong
presence.

Make him a wise street sage. Maybe an old college professor that got booted
when he goblinized.
Or possibly an ork/elf mage.

>Eric Bana could be an ork or a dwarf (remember its not about size as
>LOTR has proven). Great actor, great presence.

Got any refferences for this guy?

>Jet Li would have to be in there as a physad.

Well, duh. But think we should keep the group down to about 4 or 5. Any
more and we'd HAVE to start killing them off for more then just story
purposes. Ok, script will come second. First, establish the team.
Main Unit; Grizzeled Vet, Tough Female, Weapons Tech, and one Magical Dude.
Support Unit: Wizkid Decker, Gearhead Rigger.

Who would play what?

>I'd get either Ridley Scott or Chris Cunningham to direct.

If John Carpenter wasn't in a slump right now, I'd suggest him as well.
Maybe Sam Raimi. He's done dark (Evil Dead Trilogy) and comicbook action
(Darkman, Spider-man). Anyone else have any suggestions?

EM3 John Valeu
Message no. 14
From: docwagon101@*****.com (Rand Ratinac)
Subject: Shadowrun at the movies
Date: Mon, 30 Dec 2002 11:13:42 +0000 (GMT)
<snipt!(TM)>
> Eric Bana could be an ork or a dwarf (remember its
not about size as LOTR has proven). Great actor, great
presence.
> s.

Heh. I still get a laugh whenever I hear someone
proposing Eric Bana for a serious role. :)

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Message no. 15
From: docwagon101@*****.com (Rand Ratinac)
Subject: Shadowrun at the movies
Date: Mon, 30 Dec 2002 11:23:33 +0000 (GMT)
> Haven't seen Jason Statham in any non-American
release I'm afraid, but I still thought he was good in
Ghosts of Mars (thank God I didn't pay to see that
pile), The One, and a couple others. As for Clive
Owen, I've only seen him in Privateer 2. But he did a
damn good job during the cut scenes. Blowing stuff up
and intimidating people to get information.

You're missing some damn good movies then, John. As
far as Clive Owen goes, I have to admit all I've seen
him in were those BMW online ad/movies and The Bourne
Identity. Jason Statham, however, has been in Lock,
Stock and Two Smoking Barrels, Snatch, Mean Machine
and the Transporter (that I've seen - and The One, of
course, but you already mentioned that). He's got good
talking roles rather than actions roles in the first
two (especially Snatch, where he's the star and he's
really very good). In Mean Machine, he plays the
psychotic "killer" (no one ACTUALLY knows why he's in
prison), the Monk - watch this movie and see why he'd
be perfect to play a psychotic street sammie. :) Or
watch the Transporter and see him as the ultimate
VCR-less rigger and something of an adept as well. :)

<snipt!(TM)>
> >Eric Bana could be an ork or a dwarf (remember its
not about size as LOTR has proven). Great actor, great
presence.
>
> Got any refferences for this guy?
> EM3 John Valeu

Hoot in Black Hawk Down. Bruce (Banner, duh ;) ) in
the Hulk. A number of Australian roles, but those are
the only American ones that I know of. The fact that
he got the lead in Hulk out of a supporting character
role in Black Hawk Down should tell you something.

BANA SMASH!!!

:D

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Message no. 16
From: loneeagle@********.co.uk (Lone Eagle)
Subject: Shadowrun at the movies
Date: Mon, 30 Dec 2002 12:07:27 +0000
At 08:20 AM 30/12/2002 -0800, John wrote:
>Well, duh. But think we should keep the group down to about 4 or 5. Any
>more and we'd HAVE to start killing them off for more then just story
>purposes. Ok, script will come second. First, establish the team.
>Main Unit; Grizzeled Vet, Tough Female, Weapons Tech, and one Magical Dude.
>Support Unit: Wizkid Decker, Gearhead Rigger.

I might go for a 6 man team, replace the support team with a combat Decker
and a rookie, leave the rigger out of the in-team and feature rigging
either in the preview-y bit or on the azzie side. We all know that the good
guys always win the car chases, how the hell are they going to win against
a rigger?

>Who would play what?

Grizzelled Vet: Kurt Russel (with terminator style cyberarms)
Tough Female: Kirsten Johnson (in Orc guise)
Weapons Tech:
Magical Dude:
Combat Decker:
Rookie: [The Guy who defines combat in the Rock]

> >I'd get either Ridley Scott or Chris Cunningham to direct.
>
>If John Carpenter wasn't in a slump right now, I'd suggest him as well.
>Maybe Sam Raimi. He's done dark (Evil Dead Trilogy) and comicbook action
>(Darkman, Spider-man). Anyone else have any suggestions?

Well Duh! Cameron! OK so Titanic isn't a great recommendation but Aleins,
Terminator, the Abyss!


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Message no. 17
From: docwagon101@*****.com (Rand Ratinac)
Subject: Shadowrun at the movies
Date: Mon, 30 Dec 2002 14:18:09 +0000 (GMT)
<snipt!(TM)>
> > >I'd get either Ridley Scott or Chris Cunningham
to direct.
> >
> >If John Carpenter wasn't in a slump right now, I'd
suggest him as well. Maybe Sam Raimi. He's done dark
(Evil Dead Trilogy) and comicbook action (Darkman,
Spider-man). Anyone else have any suggestions?
>
> Well Duh! Cameron! OK so Titanic isn't a great
recommendation but Aleins, Terminator, the Abyss!
> Lone Eagle

Well, duh!

;)

Bryan Singer in The Usual Suspects mode. Hell, a lot
of what he did more recently with the X-Men could be
quite applicable to Shadowrun.

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Message no. 18
From: nightgyr@*********.com.au (GreyWolf)
Subject: Shadowrun at the movies
Date: Tue, 31 Dec 2002 01:30:38 +1100
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From: "Rand Ratinac" <docwagon101@*****.com>
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Sent: Tuesday, December 31, 2002 1:18 AM
Subject: RE: Shadowrun at the movies


<snipt!(TM)>
> Bryan Singer in The Usual Suspects mode. Hell, a lot
> of what he did more recently with the X-Men could be
> quite applicable to Shadowrun.
>

Has anyone on this list actually ever "put their money where their mouth is"
and tried to make a shadowrun-esque movie, movie short (10-15 minutes), or
even a quick wrap (aka trailer type thing no more than 2 minutes in
length)???

If so, then is it on the web or could it be put up on the web?

If not, why not? I cant be the only person here who cant afford a video
camera right now.

Greywolf (the retrenched)
-- The gauntlet is down...
Message no. 19
From: ValeuJ@*************.navy.mil (Valeu John EMFA)
Subject: Shadowrun at the movies
Date: Thu, 2 Jan 2003 12:23:39 -0800
> Ok, just sat down and Futuresport is being shown on my ship's TV channel.
A thought crossed my mind. Westley Snipes produced this DTV pile of cra....

Ok, I think it captures a small feel of SR, espeicaly the Cyberware effects.

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