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Message no. 1
From: Jason Ustica <usticaj@****.COM>
Subject: Shadowrun CCG
Date: Tue, 19 Sep 1995 23:14:35 -0700
On Tue, 19 Sep 1995, Marc A Renouf wrote:

> On Tue, 19 Sep 1995, Jeremy T. Fox wrote:
>
> > Also, in the works - developed and created by FASA is a trading card game
> > based on Shadowrun.
>
> Aaaaarrrrgh! Add another one to the Magic:the Addiction bandwagon.

Actually, I think it sounds kind of fun. I read something about it
(though I don't remember where) a while ago. The idea is that you are a
fixer who contracts out shadowrunners to perform missions against other
fixers (the other players). Not only do you control shadowrunner teams,
but you control buildings, labs, etc. that you are trying to defend
against your opponents shadowrunner teams using various security schemes.
Please note, this is all from memory. If this *isn't* how the card game
is turing out, sorry, I guess I was wrong. But I still think the idea
sounds fun.

Anyone know of any tentative release dates for it?
--
* Jason Ustica * Coming to you from Lancaster, California *
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Message no. 2
From: "S.F. Eley" <gt6877c@*****.GATECH.EDU>
Subject: Re: Shadowrun CCG
Date: Wed, 20 Sep 1995 02:24:09 -0400
Jason Ustica writes:

> Actually, I think it sounds kind of fun. I read something about it
> (though I don't remember where) a while ago. The idea is that you are a
> fixer who contracts out shadowrunners to perform missions against other
> fixers (the other players). Not only do you control shadowrunner teams,
> but you control buildings, labs, etc. that you are trying to defend
> against your opponents shadowrunner teams using various security schemes.

Hmmmm. Sounds to me more like Jyhad than Magic: The Investment. It MIGHT
be entertaining to play for a bit, but with over seventy trading card games
out right now, I doubt it'll make enough of an impact to compete strongly.
Shadowrun is too complex to put into a card game.

(Not that it can't be done, it's just that the majority of trading card
players don't seem to want complexity. Once again, look at the popularity
of games like Magic vs. games like Jyhad.)


Blessings,

_TNX._

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Message no. 3
From: Shawn Baumgartner <deosyne@*******.COM>
Subject: Shadowrun CCG
Date: Sat, 5 Apr 1997 01:15:54 PST
Well, I was just browsing through the FASA web site
and, in the July upcoming releases, I saw the one
thing I've known was coming, yet was afraid to admit:
a Shadowrun CCG. Now, I have nothing against CCG's
(I've been known to dust off my white deck on
occasion; all Betas if that gives you an idea of how
long its been :)) But I just don't know about this. I
mean, it'll get some of those CCGers to check out
Shadowrun and maybe help the game grow, but... well,
it IS a CCG. I guess I'm envisioning a new hoard of
munchkins playing their first run: "But my deck had
six Panther Cannons, Wired 5, and a Tac-nuke!" Just
thought I'd let those know who are interested.

Shawn
Okay, so my deck has all five Moxes and a Lotus; does
that make ME a munchkin?

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Message no. 4
From: Ray & Tamara <macey@*******.COM.AU>
Subject: Re: Shadowrun CCG
Date: Sat, 5 Apr 1997 20:44:15 +1000
> Well, I was just browsing through the FASA web site
> and, in the July upcoming releases, I saw the one
> thing I've known was coming, yet was afraid to admit:
> a Shadowrun CCG. Now, I have nothing against CCG's
> (I've been known to dust off my white deck on
> occasion; all Betas if that gives you an idea of how
> long its been :)) But I just don't know about this. I
> mean, it'll get some of those CCGers to check out
> Shadowrun and maybe help the game grow, but... well,
> it IS a CCG. I guess I'm envisioning a new hoard of
> munchkins playing their first run: "But my deck had
> six Panther Cannons, Wired 5, and a Tac-nuke!" Just
> thought I'd let those know who are interested.

Have to say that I agree wholeheartedly. I think FASA is doing themselves
more harm than good. At least by some of their existing players. I
personally detest CCG's when they start interfering with RPG's and it
annoys me to no end when my favourite role-playing game lowers itself to
this level. Especially if the rumour that the Australian sourcebook was
pushed back to make room for it, is true.

Anyway, that's my complaint for the day,

Ray
Message no. 5
From: "Steven A. Tinner" <bluewizard@*****.COM>
Subject: Re: Shadowrun CCG
Date: Sat, 5 Apr 1997 11:17:36 -0500
> I guess I'm envisioning a new hoard of
> munchkins playing their first run: "But my deck had
> six Panther Cannons, Wired 5, and a Tac-nuke!" Just
> thought I'd let those know who are interested.

I don't know, we've talked about this before on the list, and I don't think
it'll be that big a deal.
Look at the Battletech CCG.
That's been out a while now.
It's a good game, pretty fun, but it hasn't really "ruined" Mechwarrior, or
even BTech (of course that's a munchkin game already! :-))

If anything, I think it'll be good for the game, by bringing in some new
players.
Besides, it'll give me, and all the other folks who can't get their gaming
group together enough something to do on those nights you can't roleplay.

> Okay, so my deck has all five Moxes and a Lotus; does
> that make ME a munchkin?

No, Channel/Fireball makes you a munchkin - Moxes just make you wealthy!
:-)

Steven A. Tinner
bluewizard@*****.com
http://www.ncweb.com/users/bluewizard
"I just got to run SR again after a several month hiatus, and am I STOKED!"
Message no. 6
From: Gweedo The Killer Pimp <yawas@****.COM>
Subject: Re: Shadowrun CCG
Date: Sat, 5 Apr 1997 11:35:41 EST
On Sat, 5 Apr 1997 11:17:36 -0500 "Steven A. Tinner"
<bluewizard@*****.COM> writes:
>I don't know, we've talked about this before on the list, and I don't
>think
>it'll be that big a deal.
>Look at the Battletech CCG.
>That's been out a while now.
>It's a good game, pretty fun, but it hasn't really "ruined"
>Mechwarrior, or
>even BTech (of course that's a munchkin game already! :-))
>
>If anything, I think it'll be good for the game, by bringing in some
>new
>players.
>Besides, it'll give me, and all the other folks who can't get their
>gaming
>group together enough something to do on those nights you can't
>roleplay.

I think that more people would be good. That's how our whole group got
started, although we jumped straight from Magic, to Shadowrun. I haven't
touched my cards in six months though.

>> Okay, so my deck has all five Moxes and a Lotus; does
>> that make ME a munchkin?
>
>No, Channel/Fireball makes you a munchkin - Moxes just make you
>wealthy!
>:-)


No, channel/fireball is just plain cheesy, a deck with all counterspells
is munchy! As for all five Moxes, and a Lotus too. . . .never mind :)


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Message no. 7
From: Shane Courtrille <hardware@*******.DATANET.AB.CA>
Subject: Re: Shadowrun CCG
Date: Sat, 5 Apr 1997 14:27:36 +0000
> Shawn
> Okay, so my deck has all five Moxes and a Lotus; does
> that make ME a munchkin?

A Magic Munchkin... Yup :)
*wave*
Shane Courtrille - hardware@*******.ab.ca
Message no. 8
From: Skye Comstock <bilbo@****.NWLINK.COM>
Subject: Re: Shadowrun CCG
Date: Sat, 5 Apr 1997 14:24:14 -0800
Just a few good things about having a Shadowrun CCG, IMHO anyway:
1. If it's done by WotC, it'll be damn cool and have a lot of coverage.
2. People will probably branch out from the CCG to the RPG, eventually.
(I assume some people play CP2020 after Netrunner, Battletech after the
CCG of the same name, which is selling *very* well.)
3. Another if, if the game does well, FASA will make more money and will
be able to churn out more Shadowrun Stuff(tm).
4. Maybe someone will stop playing Magic: the Addiction and move on.

-Skye-who-is-bored-and-will-leave-now.
Message no. 9
From: Gurth <gurth@******.NL>
Subject: Re: Shadowrun CCG
Date: Sun, 6 Apr 1997 11:56:28 +0100
Skye Comstock said on 14:24/ 5 Apr 97...

> 2. People will probably branch out from the CCG to the RPG, eventually.

That would be a good thing, yeah.

> (I assume some people play CP2020 after Netrunner, Battletech after the
> CCG of the same name, which is selling *very* well.)

Coming in from the other side, I've played a few games of BattleTech CCG
and I find myself trying to look at things as if it's the boardgame, which
won't help in the CCG -- for example, I see a certain type of Mech being
played by the opponent and I underestimate it because it's very lousy in
the boardgame, but in the CCG it's just a bit below average.

> 4. Maybe someone will stop playing Magic: the Addiction and move on.

Most of the Magic players I know have more or less given up and started
playing other CCGs, and through that a few of them have gone on to
RPG-ing. With a Shadowrun CCG some will move from M:TG to the SR CCG and
then to the SR RPG, sure.

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Message no. 10
From: Droopy <droopy@*******.NB.NET>
Subject: Re: Shadowrun CCG
Date: Sun, 6 Apr 1997 08:55:50 +0000
> From: Skye Comstock <bilbo@****.NWLINK.COM>
> Subject: Re: Shadowrun CCG

> Just a few good things about having a Shadowrun CCG, IMHO anyway:
> 1. If it's done by WotC, it'll be damn cool and have a lot of coverage.

Unless there's been a change since the last time I talked to Mike
about this, it's being done in house at FASA. This isn't a bad thing
as they do play some good CCG's (like Shadowfist) and at least
understand the player's POV.

> 2. People will probably branch out from the CCG to the RPG, eventually.
> (I assume some people play CP2020 after Netrunner, Battletech after the
> CCG of the same name, which is selling *very* well.)

It may prompt people to try the game, yes.

> 3. Another if, if the game does well, FASA will make more money and will
> be able to churn out more Shadowrun Stuff(tm).

Always a bonus! <G>

> 4. Maybe someone will stop playing Magic: the Addiction and move on.

People seem to cycle through Magic, they eventually saturate and stop
playing just to restart a few months later. I play Magic (it's been
at least a couple of months) as well as other CCG's (a lot of which I
like better) and have noticed this trend in a lot of players around
here.


--Droopy
droopy@**.net
Message no. 11
From: Ray & Tamara <macey@*******.COM.AU>
Subject: Re: Shadowrun CCG
Date: Sun, 6 Apr 1997 10:06:01 +1000
> 3. Another if, if the game does well, FASA will make more money and will
> be able to churn out more Shadowrun Stuff(tm).

They may also decide that the CCG is a fairly core supplement to shadowrun,
and spend even more time on it bringing out supplements and expansion
packs, thus lowering the amount of time and money they spend on Shadowrun.

Ray

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