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Message no. 1
From: M Breton <mbreton@**.NETCOM.COM>
Subject: Re: shadowrun cyberpunk?
Date: Sun, 22 Feb 1998 02:02:12 -0600
On 02/21/98 15:16:07 you wrote:
>Cyberpunk, the genre, not "Cyberpunk" the R. Talsorian Game, BTW.
>Cyberpunk originated with Phillip K. Dick and Gibson and Effinger, and many

Gibson and Effinger are really late-comers to cyberpunk. (Yeah, Gibson -- latecomer.)

There's a great line in one of John Brunner's books, _Stand on Zanzibar_:

"First you use the machine. Then you wear the machine. And finally..."

The thought's deliberately left unfinished; the insinuation is clear, and reflects the
central theme of c-punk: Man and machine, and how they meld. Gibson wrote Neuromancer in,
what - 1984? (Perhaps symbolic, eh?) Zanzibar was published in 1968 -- more than fifteen
years earlier.

Yeah, Gibson. Latecomer.


-Mb
Message no. 2
From: Zixx <t_berghoff@*********.NETSURF.DE>
Subject: Re: shadowrun cyberpunk?
Date: Sun, 22 Feb 1998 21:48:53 +0000
On 22 Feb 98 at 2:02, M Breton wrote:


> There's a great line in one of John Brunner's books, _Stand on Zanzibar_:
>
> "First you use the machine. Then you wear the machine. And finally..."
>
> The thought's deliberately left unfinished; the insinuation is clear,
> and reflects the central theme of c-punk: Man and machine, and how they
> meld.

That's just the "cyber", not the "punk". I've never read SoZ, so I
don't
know about it's punk-qualities, but you useing cyber isn't enough.

Tobias Berghoff a.k.a Zixx a.k.a. Charon, your friendly werepanther physad.

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