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Message no. 1
From: "TORTURE, THE CAT" <91431@*******>
Subject: Shadowrun Movie...
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 92 14:51:00 EST
Scary Kaupas, I was just thinking the same thing, it would be sweet if they
made a Shadowrun movie or a _good_ (not cheesy) D&D movie. Have a sweet
Easter, mates!!


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Message no. 2
From: David Herr <dherr@********.NET>
Subject: shadowrun movie
Date: Tue, 12 Sep 1995 19:53:48 EDT
I just have to right a review of a movie I just saw. It's called "the usual
suspects" and just opened in American theaters this past week. The first thirty or
so miutes are a good example of how a well planed, if some-what strange run could go. The
second part of the movie how-ever is a good exapmle of how a run or sieries of runs could
go when the Yakuza gets involved (I think that you can figure out who represents the
Yakuza). An excelent movie with a surprise ending I give "the usual suspects" a
4 sam rating!


Big spells and bigger spells, who needs more?
-Wix sorcery adept

TIA
Message no. 3
From: Michael Orion Jackson <orion@****.CC.UTEXAS.EDU>
Subject: Shadowrun Movie
Date: Mon, 28 Oct 1996 20:53:40 -0600
Hey, we don't have any problems about 200 hundred million American dollars
wouldn't solve. (And I'll bet you my last NIN cd that we could do a
better job with 200mil than the cheesefest called Waterworld.)

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~Michael Orion Jackson~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~TAMS Class of 1996/UT Class of 199?~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
~~~~~~2112 Guadalupe, Rm. 502; Austin, Tx 78705 (The Goodall-Wooten)~~~~~~~
"Goddamn creatures of the night, they never learn." ~Gideon, _The Crow_
Message no. 4
From: "Ubiratan P. Alberton" <ubiratan@**.HOMESHOPPING.COM.BR>
Subject: Shadowrun Movie
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1998 12:52:05 -0300
At 20:13 23/07/98 EDT, you wrote:
><SNIP thoeries on FASA games made into movies>
>
>Neddless to say, I think a Shadowrun movie would be really cool, but there's
>no way in Hell that I would trust Hollywood to make it anywhere near where a
>Shadowrun player would consider it to be done correctly or close to the
world-
>setting in the game.
>

Assuming that Lofwyr gave us a little financing, and we on the list
would make the movie leaving
Hollywood totally out of it, what would be the history? Wich actors would
play wich roles? I have a feeling this new thread is
going to be fun.

Bira
Message no. 5
From: Shadowrunner <nocturnal@*******.NET>
Subject: Re: Shadowrun Movie
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1998 13:55:31 +0000
Ubiratan P. Alberton wrote:
>
> At 20:13 23/07/98 EDT, you wrote:
> ><SNIP thoeries on FASA games made into movies>
> >
> >Neddless to say, I think a Shadowrun movie would be really cool, but there's
> >no way in Hell that I would trust Hollywood to make it anywhere near where a
> >Shadowrun player would consider it to be done correctly or close to the
> world-
> >setting in the game.
> >
>
> Assuming that Lofwyr gave us a little financing, and we on the list
> would make the movie leaving
> Hollywood totally out of it, what would be the history? Wich actors would
> play wich roles? I have a feeling this new thread is
> going to be fun.

If they were gonna make a Shadowrun movie, and if it were to be ANY good whatsoever,
they would have to have a number of players there to help out, plus the original creators
of
the game. Their best bet would be to take an adventure book, say, like Harlequin's Back,
Super Tuesday, or any of those and transform it into a movie.

Another thought would be a TV sitcom... sure, it doesn't sound like a top scoring idea,
but
runners most often have more than one run in their lifetimes..

-Noc, who is in need of caffeine.
Message no. 6
From: Danyel N Woods <9604801@********.AC.NZ>
Subject: Re: Shadowrun Movie
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1998 12:14:58 +1200
Quoth Ubiratan P Alberton (0352 31-7-98 NZT):

>>Neddless to say, I think a Shadowrun movie would be really cool, but
there's
>>no way in Hell that I would trust Hollywood to make it anywhere near
where a
>>Shadowrun player would consider it to be done correctly or close to
the
>world-
>>setting in the game.
>>
>
> Assuming that Lofwyr gave us a little financing, and we on the list
>would make the movie leaving
>Hollywood totally out of it, what would be the history? Wich actors
would
>play wich roles? I have a feeling this new thread is
>going to be fun.

Hmmm...
Arnold Schwartznegger as a heavily-chromed (and slightly dim :-) merc or
sammie, or maybe a phys-ad (possibly an ork or an undergrown troll :-).
Michael Biehn as the 'smart' samurai, the guy with the plans and the
team's leadership qualities
Julianne Moore as the decker (she's already done it in _Assassins_)
I don't know about a rigger - maybe Bill Paxton.
Team magician? Say Val Kilmer (if hermetic), or the Indian cop who
co-starred with him in _Thunderheart_ (as a shaman).
(??? Darke? Anthony Hopkins or Ed Harris. ???)
(??? Harlequin? Jim Carrey. ???)

As to a plot? Well, the suggestion a few days ago sounded good - sneak
in during the credits, massive firefight to start off with, then the
brains of the outfit realises that the Johnson screwed them. Why? See
_Shadowplay_: they stole the fibre-optic data, and it's too dangerous.
OR do 'Harlequin's Back'.

YMMV, of course. Anyone have any other suggestions?

Danyel Woods - 9604801@********.ac.nz
'No, I'm Chaos and he's Mayhem. We're a double act.'
Message no. 7
From: Michael Orion Jackson <orion@****.CC.UTEXAS.EDU>
Subject: Re: Shadowrun Movie
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1998 21:24:59 -0500
*****************Michael Orion Jackson******************
***********TAMS Class of 96/UT Class of 2000************
*********************Random Quote:**********************
*<<Ya govoriet pa russkie, a ne mnovo.>> 3 sems..... :)*
********************************************************

On Thu, 30 Jul 1998, Ubiratan P. Alberton wrote:

[snip]
> play wich roles? I have a feeling this new thread is
> going to be fun.
>
> Bira
>

Not to be harsh, but this is very much not a new thread, esp. the
actors thing. I remember debating that on the list as a junior in TAMS
three years ago, and the threads been kinda just _there_ ever since like a
bad head cold (dropping out of sight and then reappearing when conditions
are right (like a new strain being introduced)). Man talk about
nostalgia... I've been on this list (first as orionj@****.acs.unt.edu)
since I was 16... (20 now). :)
Message no. 8
From: Steven McCormick <stardust@***.NET>
Subject: Re: Shadowrun Movie
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1998 21:36:27 -0500
At 12:14 PM 7/31/98 +1200, Danyel N Woods wrote:
>Hmmm...
>Arnold Schwartznegger as a heavily-chromed (and slightly dim :-) merc or
>sammie, or maybe a phys-ad (possibly an ork or an undergrown troll :-).

Dolph Lundgren would be my choice as a merc or sammie, he did a good job as
a cybered character in Johnny Mneumonic. He also played a good Punisher.

>Michael Biehn as the 'smart' samurai, the guy with the plans and the
>team's leadership qualities

I would make the leader a phys ad, maybe use that oriental guy that played
a cop in that TV show with Don Johnson and Cheech Marin (can't remember the
name of the actor or the show at the moment)

>Julianne Moore as the decker (she's already done it in _Assassins_)
>I don't know about a rigger - maybe Bill Paxton.
>Team magician? Say Val Kilmer (if hermetic), or the Indian cop who
>co-starred with him in _Thunderheart_ (as a shaman).
>(??? Darke? Anthony Hopkins or Ed Harris. ???)

Jack Nicholson would make a good Darke, or Malcom McDowell

>(??? Harlequin? Jim Carrey. ???)

For some reason I can't picture Jim Carrey as Harlequin, I keep seeing the
Riddler in my mind and that's definitely not Harlequin :). Personally, I
would go to the opposite end of the spectrum and use someone like Lance
Henrickson (Millenium, Aliens II). An odd choice, but I like his dark
brooding style. I picture Harlequin as an introspective person with many
cares and concerns.
>
>As to a plot? Well, the suggestion a few days ago sounded good - sneak
>in during the credits, massive firefight to start off with, then the
>brains of the outfit realises that the Johnson screwed them. Why? See
>_Shadowplay_: they stole the fibre-optic data, and it's too dangerous.
>OR do 'Harlequin's Back'.
>
>YMMV, of course. Anyone have any other suggestions?
>

BlueMule
Message no. 9
From: Dhl9@***.COM
Subject: Re: Shadowrun Movie
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1998 22:52:01 EDT
In a message dated 98-07-30 22:44:45 EDT, you write:

> >YMMV, of course. Anyone have any other suggestions?

Samuel L. Jackson as a burned out mage.
Message no. 10
From: Patrick Goodman <remo@***.NET>
Subject: Re: Shadowrun Movie
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1998 21:51:37 -0500
>Personally, I
>would go to the opposite end of the spectrum and use someone like Lance
>Henrickson (Millenium, Aliens II). An odd choice, but I like his dark
>brooding style. I picture Harlequin as an introspective person with many
>cares and concerns.

Yeah, I've always pictured the clown bit as an act. Go read "Wyrm Talk"
sometime to see that aspect. The question is, could Henriksen be convinced
to put on the pointy ears?
Message no. 11
From: Patrick Goodman <remo@***.NET>
Subject: Re: Shadowrun Movie
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1998 22:01:48 -0500
>> >YMMV, of course. Anyone have any other suggestions?
>
>Samuel L. Jackson as a burned out mage.

Jackson has that look that says "burn-out" ... which is why I'm against
this. I like the idea of Jackson as a mage, mind you, but let's get away
from typecasting and make him a nice, fully-functioning, top-of-his-form
mage instead. Just because you're a mage doesn't mean you can't pack a
pistol.
Message no. 12
From: Dhl9@***.COM
Subject: Re: Shadowrun Movie
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1998 23:08:10 EDT
In a message dated 98-07-30 22:44:45 EDT, you write:

> YMMV, of course. Anyone have any other suggestions?

Leonardo DiCaprio as anything that dies spectacularly and preferably early.
Message no. 13
From: Danyel N Woods <9604801@********.AC.NZ>
Subject: Re: Shadowrun Movie
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1998 15:13:44 +1200
Quoth Dhl9@***.COM (1508 31-7-98 NZT):

<<SLICE a little>>

-----Original Message-----
From: Dhl9@***.COM [SMTP:Dhl9@***.COM]
Sent: Friday, July 31, 1998 3:08 PM
To: SHADOWRN@********.ITRIBE.NET
Subject: Re: Shadowrun Movie

In a message dated 98-07-30 22:44:45 EDT, you write:

> YMMV, of course. Anyone have any other suggestions?

Leonardo DiCaprio as anything that dies spectacularly and preferably
early.


Oh, like the mage in a Jak Koke novel, you mean? <G>
Or he can buy it in the initial firefight.

(Methinks I detect a certain dislike for yon baby-faced pillock.)

Danyel Woods - 9604801@********.ac.nz
'No, I'm Chaos and he's Mayhem. We're a double act.'
Message no. 14
From: K is the Symbol <Ereskanti@***.COM>
Subject: Re: Shadowrun Movie
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1998 02:41:00 EDT
In a message dated 7/30/1998 7:20:23 PM US Eastern Standard Time,
9604801@********.AC.NZ writes:

> Hmmm...
> Arnold Schwartznegger as a heavily-chromed (and slightly dim :-) merc or
> sammie, or maybe a phys-ad (possibly an ork or an undergrown troll :-).

Na, make him the Merc nearing retirement type...

> Michael Biehn as the 'smart' samurai, the guy with the plans and the
> team's leadership qualities

Oh, now this one is nice. Val Kilmer could also do a really nice "seasons
street samurai" IMO.

> Julianne Moore as the decker (she's already done it in _Assassins_)

True enough, I kind of like this one.

> I don't know about a rigger - maybe Bill Paxton.

If not Bill (as he could be a good choice), then how about making Ed Harris
(see my reasons below) the rigger. He's got the guts for it, and the practice
(see "Abyss").

> Team magician? Say Val Kilmer (if hermetic), or the Indian cop who
> co-starred with him in _Thunderheart_ (as a shaman).

Na, if you're gonna go "Street Shaman", how about Jason Scott Lee (Occidental
Magician) or Lou Daimond Phillips (Raven). Hermetic Magician, how about
Jeremy Irons???

> (??? Darke? Anthony Hopkins or Ed Harris. ???)

Anthony Hopkins or Sean Connery IMO. Two of the finest current actors there
are. Or, better yet still IMO, Jack ;) Ed Harris is perverse, and can even
be good at being evil, but he just isn't quite the personality for a "Darke"
or anyone similar. And after people see Sean Connery in the upcoming
"Avengers", you will understand why some people are seeing him as a really
good "bad guy".

> (??? Harlequin? Jim Carrey. ???)

Okay, except I'm kind of tired of seeing Jimmy as a "Clown". I for one was
really happy he had the roles in Cable Guy and Truman. Jeremy Irons as
Harlequin could be really cool too ;)

-K
Message no. 15
From: K is the Symbol <Ereskanti@***.COM>
Subject: Re: Shadowrun Movie
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1998 03:00:15 EDT
In a message dated 7/30/1998 10:04:55 PM US Eastern Standard Time,
remo@***.NET writes:

> >> >YMMV, of course. Anyone have any other suggestions?
> >
> >Samuel L. Jackson as a burned out mage.
>
> Jackson has that look that says "burn-out" ... which is why I'm against
> this. I like the idea of Jackson as a mage, mind you, but let's get away
> from typecasting and make him a nice, fully-functioning, top-of-his-form
> mage instead. Just because you're a mage doesn't mean you can't pack a
> pistol.
>
Okay, but on this form then, make Jackson the "Rigger" of the group, as I
-know- he could play a "nose to the steel" type with little difficulty.

-K
Message no. 16
From: K is the Symbol <Ereskanti@***.COM>
Subject: Re: Shadowrun Movie
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1998 03:02:42 EDT
In a message dated 7/30/1998 10:15:46 PM US Eastern Standard Time,
Dhl9@***.COM writes:

> > YMMV, of course. Anyone have any other suggestions?
>
> Leonardo DiCaprio as anything that dies spectacularly and preferably early.
>
Okay, how about this then? The "boy toy" that Striper has in "Striper
Assassin"???

-K
Message no. 17
From: Lady Jestyr <jestyr@*******.DIALIX.COM.AU>
Subject: Re: Shadowrun Movie
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1998 17:05:10 +1000
> > > YMMV, of course. Anyone have any other suggestions?
> >
> > Leonardo DiCaprio as anything that dies spectacularly and preferably early.
> >
> Okay, how about this then? The "boy toy" that Striper has in "Striper
> Assassin"???

Yes!!! But see if you can amend the story line to kill him off REALLY
quickly.

Lady Jestyr

- It's not pretty being easy -
| Elle Holmes | jestyr@**********.com | http://jestyr.home.ml.org |
| Shadowrun Webring Ringmaster | GeoCities Leader | RPGA Reviewer |
Message no. 18
From: K is the Symbol <Ereskanti@***.COM>
Subject: Re: Shadowrun Movie
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1998 03:23:54 EDT
In a message dated 7/31/1998 2:05:49 AM US Eastern Standard Time,
jestyr@*******.DIALIX.COM.AU writes:

> > > Leonardo DiCaprio as anything that dies spectacularly and preferably
> early.
> > >
> > Okay, how about this then? The "boy toy" that Striper has in
"Striper
> > Assassin"???
>
> Yes!!! But see if you can amend the story line to kill him off REALLY
> quickly.
>
Hmm...let's see now...opening scene...a slightly lit bedroom of some
undetermined location (hotel type), with a look on a guys face (Leo's) of
utter surprise/ecstacy, and the bed is jostling just a bit. All you can
really see is his face and upper shoulders....it sounds like he's moaning, and
there's some obvious slurping type noises...the camera doesn't remain on his
face, only long enough for everyone to see it's "HIM"...camera begins to pan
upwards from the floor to the top of the bed itself, with the ears of the
really big Tiger barely coming into view...some nice gorey blood and guts
evident on it's face...the cat get's up and leaves, as it does, it morphs into
a sleek naked woman (let's use...oh...what's her name...black hair, the
synthoid in Alien-4...damn it) anyway, moving into the restroof to quickly
clean up and pat herself off a bit...as she re-enters the bedroom, mumbling to
herself as she picks up her gear and leaves the place...

...the only way to eat a man...

-K (SHIELDS!!! NOW!!! FULL POWER!!! ;)
Message no. 19
From: Geoff Skellams <geoff.skellams@*********.COM.AU>
Subject: Re: Shadowrun Movie
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1998 17:28:38 +1000
On Shadowrun Discussion, K is the Symbol[SMTP:Ereskanti@***.COM] wrote:
> In a message dated 7/30/1998 7:20:23 PM US Eastern Standard Time,
> 9604801@********.AC.NZ writes:
>
> > Hmmm...
> > Arnold Schwartznegger as a heavily-chromed (and slightly dim :-)
merc or
> > sammie, or maybe a phys-ad (possibly an ork or an undergrown troll
:-).
>
> Na, make him the Merc nearing retirement type...
>
If you're going to go for the phys-ad, how could anyone possibly
go past Jackie Chan?

> > Michael Biehn as the 'smart' samurai, the guy with the plans and
the
> > team's leadership qualities
>
I'm not so sure about that- the first three films I thought of
with Michael Biehn are "Terminator 1", "Aliens" and the
"Rock". He only
survived one film ("Aliens") and lost his entire team in two ("Aliens"
and "The Rock"). I know this is stereotyping, but hey.

> Oh, now this one is nice. Val Kilmer could also do a really nice
"seasons
> street samurai" IMO.
>
Kilmer would be better off in a suit playing the Mr Johnson
role. Even better if the plot involves the team being screwed over

> > Julianne Moore as the decker (she's already done it in _Assassins_)
>
> True enough, I kind of like this one.
>
At the moment, I can't think of anyone else to suggest, although
you could always use Angelina Jolie from "Hackers". I thought she was
pretty cool in that one.

> > I don't know about a rigger - maybe Bill Paxton.
> If not Bill (as he could be a good choice), then how about making Ed
Harris
> (see my reasons below) the rigger. He's got the guts for it, and the
practice
> (see "Abyss").
>
If you could time warp, I'd grab Harrison Ford from 1977. His
portrayal of Han Solo in the original Star Wars is not that far from
being a rigger ("Only three things matter - me, Chewie and the Falcon").
He's make a great t-bird pilot.

> > Team magician? Say Val Kilmer (if hermetic), or the Indian cop who
> > co-starred with him in _Thunderheart_ (as a shaman).
>
> Na, if you're gonna go "Street Shaman", how about Jason Scott Lee
(Occidental
> Magician) or Lou Daimond Phillips (Raven). Hermetic Magician, how
about
> Jeremy Irons???
>
For shamans, I could suggest Grahame Green or Darren Burrows if
you want the tribal style Shamans. Both have had experience in the role
in "Northern Exposure". Grahame Green also scores points for the role in
Thunderheart (he was the tribal cop).

> > (??? Darke? Anthony Hopkins or Ed Harris. ???)
>
> Anthony Hopkins or Sean Connery IMO. Two of the finest current actors
there
> are. Or, better yet still IMO, Jack ;) Ed Harris is perverse, and
can even
> be good at being evil, but he just isn't quite the personality for a
"Darke"
> or anyone similar. And after people see Sean Connery in the upcoming
> "Avengers", you will understand why some people are seeing him as a
really
> good "bad guy".
>
Again, the person I think could definately be the go in this
role is Alan Rickman, who has played classy bad guys in Die Hard 1 and
Robin Hood Prince of Theives. I think he would make an admirable Darke.

> > (??? Harlequin? Jim Carrey. ???)
>
> Okay, except I'm kind of tired of seeing Jimmy as a "Clown". I for
one was
> really happy he had the roles in Cable Guy and Truman. Jeremy Irons
as
> Harlequin could be really cool too ;)

OK, call me a blasphemer, but I actually haven't read anything
with Harlequin in it, except for Tom Dowd's short story. So I can't
think of a suitable candidate. Can anyone give me a potted description
in 25 words or less? (I do know he is an IE, btw).

--
Geoff Skellams R&D - Tower Software
Email Address: geoff.skellams@*********.com.au
Homepage: http://www.towersoft.com.au/staff/geoff/
ICQ Number: 2815165

"That rates about a 9.5 on my weird-shit-o-meter"
- Will Smith in "Men in Black"
Message no. 20
From: Robert Watkins <robert.watkins@******.COM>
Subject: Re: Shadowrun Movie
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1998 17:34:08 +1000
Geoff Skellams writes:
> OK, call me a blasphemer, but I actually haven't read anything
> with Harlequin in it, except for Tom Dowd's short story. So I can't
> think of a suitable candidate. Can anyone give me a potted description
> in 25 words or less? (I do know he is an IE, btw).

That's actually probably okay... despite being a major character, and having
two whole adventures named after him, Harley isn't exposed very much to the
players. In the original, the players don't even know about him until right
near the end, and his attitude is very much that of the master hiring
servants to do his work.

In the sequel, his attitude is a lot better, but he still puts himself in
the superior role, rather than treating the runners like equals.

Oh, and my vote for Harley would be Val Kilmer (mainly because of his work
in "Willow" and "Tombstone").
Message no. 21
From: Mike Bobroff <Airwasp@***.COM>
Subject: Re: Shadowrun Movie
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1998 09:56:37 EDT
In a message dated 7/31/98 1:41:56 AM US Eastern Standard Time,
Ereskanti@***.COM writes:

> > (??? Darke? Anthony Hopkins or Ed Harris. ???)
>
> Anthony Hopkins or Sean Connery IMO. Two of the finest current actors
there
> are. Or, better yet still IMO, Jack ;) Ed Harris is perverse, and can
> even
> be good at being evil, but he just isn't quite the personality for a
"Darke"
> or anyone similar. And after people see Sean Connery in the upcoming
> "Avengers", you will understand why some people are seeing him as a really
> good "bad guy".

Hey K, how about one of your fav actors ... Christopher Walken ... definitely
a Toxic Hermetic ...

Jurgen Prochnow ... definitely a leader type ...

Bruce Willis ... Street Sammie / Cop ...

Mel Gibson ... Street Sammie ...

and the lost goes on ...

-Herc
------- The Best Mechanic you can ever have.
Message no. 22
From: bryan.covington@****.COM
Subject: Re: Shadowrun Movie
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1998 10:02:32 -0400
> > > (??? Darke? Anthony Hopkins or Ed Harris. ???)
> >
> > Anthony Hopkins or Sean Connery IMO. Two of the finest current
> actors
> there
> > are. Or, better yet still IMO, Jack ;) Ed Harris is perverse,
> and can
> > even
> > be good at being evil, but he just isn't quite the personality for
> a
> "Darke"
> > or anyone similar. And after people see Sean Connery in the
> upcoming
> > "Avengers", you will understand why some people are seeing him as a
> really
> > good "bad guy".
>
> Hey K, how about one of your fav actors ... Christopher Walken ...
> definitely
> a Toxic Hermetic ...
>
How's this one, Toxic Shaman.....Dennis Hopper.

Gary Oldman always makes a gloriously evil villain also.
Message no. 23
From: Patrick Goodman <remo@***.NET>
Subject: Re: Shadowrun Movie
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1998 09:02:54 -0500
>...it morphs into
>a sleek naked woman (let's use...oh...what's her name...black hair, the
>synthoid in Alien-4...damn it)

Winona Ryder (who was dreadful in ALIEN RESURRECTION, but considering the
film, that goes without saying). I was sincerely hoping they'd cast her
against type and have her just rock-and-roll with an SMG, but they made her
the same geeky character she gets to play in just about everything.
Message no. 24
From: Tim Kerby <drekhead@***.NET>
Subject: Re: Shadowrun Movie
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1998 10:08:47 -0400
On 30 Jul 98, at 23:08, Dhl9@***.COM wrote:

> In a message dated 98-07-30 22:44:45 EDT, you write:
>
> > YMMV, of course. Anyone have any other suggestions?
>
> Leonardo DiCaprio as anything that dies spectacularly and preferably
> early.

I second that. Actually, put him on a bust that gets wasted with
Keanu Reeves, Steven Segal, and the cast of 90210.

--



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Message no. 25
From: Patrick Goodman <remo@***.NET>
Subject: Re: Shadowrun Movie
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1998 09:16:58 -0500
> How's this one, Toxic Shaman.....Dennis Hopper.

Too easy.

> Gary Oldman always makes a gloriously evil villain also.

Which is why I'd want to cast him as the group leader; he's a stunningly
capable actor.
Message no. 26
From: bryan.covington@****.COM
Subject: Re: Shadowrun Movie
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1998 10:26:30 -0400
> > How's this one, Toxic Shaman.....Dennis Hopper.
>
> Too easy.
>
Well, no one else mentioned him.

> > Gary Oldman always makes a gloriously evil villain also.
>
> Which is why I'd want to cast him as the group leader; he's a
> stunningly
> capable actor.
>
I agree. I tend to think that he enjoys playing nutcases
though. He's played so many that he's risked (achieved?) typecasting.
But then if he enjoys playing a dick, more power to him.
Message no. 27
From: KzDruid <quicksilver82@*********.COM>
Subject: Re: Shadowrun Movie
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1998 10:32:56 -0400
At 10:01 PM 7/30/98 -0500, you wrote:
>YMMV, of course. Anyone have any other suggestions?
What about that guy from "The Replacement Killers"? Chow Young Fat? i think
thats his name either way not a great movie but he'd make a good street
sam/physad imo.
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Message no. 28
From: Patrick Goodman <remo@***.NET>
Subject: Re: Shadowrun Movie
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1998 09:47:14 -0500
>> > How's this one, Toxic Shaman.....Dennis Hopper.
>>
>> Too easy.
>>
> Well, no one else mentioned him.

True enough, but I'm on a "fight typecasting" kick the last couple weeks.
Similar discussions about other movies we'd like to see have cropped up IRL,
and....

>> > Gary Oldman always makes a gloriously evil villain also.
>>
>> Which is why I'd want to cast him as the group leader; he's a
>> stunningly capable actor.
>>
> I agree. I tend to think that he enjoys playing nutcases
>though. He's played so many that he's risked (achieved?) typecasting.

He seems to enjoy it, but he also seemed to enjoy playing Beethoven (who,
arguably. was also a nutcase, but....

>But then if he enjoys playing a dick, more power to him.

He was splendid as Dr. Smith. I'd just like to see him play something else,
that's all.

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Message no. 29
From: Thomas Berman <nylar@********.COM>
Subject: Re: Shadowrun Movie
Date: Sat, 31 Jan 1998 09:02:40 +0000
Billy Bob Thornton and Steve Buscemi as some Seattle fixers...
Patrick Stewart as a street doc...


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Message no. 30
From: Dhl9@***.COM
Subject: Re: Shadowrun Movie
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1998 12:14:05 EDT
In a message dated 98-07-30 23:20:46 EDT, you write:

> In a message dated 98-07-30 22:44:45 EDT, you write:
>
> > YMMV, of course. Anyone have any other suggestions?
>
> Leonardo DiCaprio as anything that dies spectacularly and preferably
> early.
>
>
> Oh, like the mage in a Jak Koke novel, you mean? <G>
> Or he can buy it in the initial firefight.
>
> (Methinks I detect a certain dislike for yon baby-faced pillock.)
>


I know women are probably tired of Cindy Crawford and Pamela Lee and Jenny
McCarthy. Most guys are soooo tired of Leo. It almost makes you long for the
days of Brad Pitt mania.

I did think Dennis Learys idea of "Cindy TV" should have received some serious
consideration though.
Message no. 31
From: "Eric M. Farmer" <efarmer@********.CC.EDU>
Subject: Re: Shadowrun Movie
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1998 11:08:13 -0500
> Billy Bob Thornton and Steve Buscemi as some Seattle fixers...
> Patrick Stewart as a street doc...

Actually, Billy Bob Thornton would be a really good rigger. Don't believe
me? Watch U-turn. It's twisted, and Thornton plays toothless backwater
mechanic. Great role. Make him a little more civilized, and you have
yourself a rigger.

Steve Buscemi I can see as a Rat street Shaman. Whaddya think?

Patrick Stewart would make a better corp man. Maybe a Johnson?

Eric Farmer
efarmer@********.cc.edu
http://www.cc.edu/~efarmer/
Message no. 32
From: Paul Gettle <RunnerPaul@*****.COM>
Subject: Re: Shadowrun Movie
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1998 12:35:03 -0400
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At 11:08 AM 7/31/98 -0500, Eric wrote:
>Patrick Stewart would make a better corp man. Maybe a Johnson?

Since it looks like this thread will just go on and on and on, I might
as well contribute.

I think Quentin Tarantino would make a better choice for Mr. Johnson.

I would also like to see Kevin Smith (the American
Writer/Director/Actor, from Clerks/Mallrats/Chasing Amy/Dogma) in a
role, possibly a bartender

While I'm at it, I would reccomend Kevin Smith (the New Zeland Actor,
who plays Ares in Hercules/Zena) for the role of Damian Knight.

And finally, Claudia Christensen, as the team's mage.
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Message no. 33
From: Dhl9@***.COM
Subject: Re: Shadowrun Movie
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1998 12:50:41 EDT
In a message dated 98-07-31 10:48:28 EDT, you write:

> True enough, but I'm on a "fight typecasting" kick the last couple weeks.

Pamela Lee as Nadja Daviar or Samantha Villiers.
Message no. 34
From: Spike <u5a77@*****.CS.KEELE.AC.UK>
Subject: Re: Shadowrun Movie
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1998 17:51:33 +0100
And verily, did Dhl9@***.COM hastily scribble thusly...
|
|In a message dated 98-07-30 22:44:45 EDT, you write:
|
|> YMMV, of course. Anyone have any other suggestions?
|
|Leonardo DiCaprio as anything that dies spectacularly and preferably early.
|

Wil Weaton as the silloette of someone who dies in a very nasty way during
the opening credits. Preferable with a slight glimpse of a Starfleet
uniform...

:)
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Message no. 35
From: K is the Symbol <Ereskanti@***.COM>
Subject: Re: Shadowrun Movie
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1998 12:52:38 EDT
In a message dated 7/31/1998 11:35:54 AM US Eastern Standard Time,
RunnerPaul@*****.COM writes:

>
> While I'm at it, I would reccomend Kevin Smith (the New Zeland Actor,
> who plays Ares in Hercules/Zena) for the role of Damian Knight.
>
YES!!! If for nothing else, a "jab" at the Hercules' show in fun..."Ares
is
in control of Ares"... ;)

-K
Message no. 36
From: Patrick Goodman <remo@***.NET>
Subject: Re: Shadowrun Movie
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1998 11:58:34 -0500
>> True enough, but I'm on a "fight typecasting" kick the last
>> couple weeks.
>
>Pamela Lee as Nadja Daviar or Samantha Villiers.

That would certainly fit into the "no typecasting" rule, but I think I'd
prefer someone who could act for those parts.

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Message no. 37
From: Pantherr <pantherr@*****.NET>
Subject: Re: Shadowrun Movie
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1998 11:46:16 -0500
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> I did think Dennis Learys idea of "Cindy TV" should have received some
> serious consideration though.

Dennis Leary's a sick sick sick man. Have him be the decker :)

Pantherr



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From: Pantherr <pantherr@*****.NET>
Subject: Re: Shadowrun Movie
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1998 11:37:38 -0500
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> >Team magician? Say Val Kilmer (if hermetic), or the Indian cop who
> >co-starred with him in _Thunderheart_ (as a shaman).

Am I the only one here who sees Anthony Keadis as the shaman?
<g>

Pantherr

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Message no. 39
From: Pantherr <pantherr@*****.NET>
Subject: Re: Shadowrun Movie
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1998 12:08:16 -0500
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> >> True enough, but I'm on a "fight typecasting" kick the last
> >> couple weeks.
> >
> >Pamela Lee as Nadja Daviar or Samantha Villiers.
>
> That would certainly fit into the "no typecasting" rule, but I think I'd
> prefer someone who could act for those parts.

Not to mention that, IIRC, Nadja's also good looking ;)

Pantherr

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Message no. 40
From: Philippe Garneau <pgarneau@****.ULAVAL.CA>
Subject: Re: Shadowrun Movie
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1998 13:18:40 -0400
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> >> True enough, but I'm on a "fight typecasting" kick the last
> >> couple weeks.
> >
> >Pamela Lee as Nadja Daviar or Samantha Villiers.
>
> That would certainly fit into the "no typecasting" rule, but I think I'd
> prefer someone who could act for those parts.

>Not to mention that, IIRC, Nadja's also good looking ;)

>Pantherr




May I suggest Jennifer Connelly as the actress for Nadja Daviar? She's
incredibly hot and can certainly act better than Pamela Anderson, IMHO.

Phil

"If it's ok to use oil-drillers as astronauts, it should be
ok to sign up computer technicians to defuse a nuclear
bomb."

- an Hollywood producer brainstorming on the next year's
summer hit movie.
Message no. 41
From: bryan.covington@****.COM
Subject: Re: Shadowrun Movie
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1998 14:06:53 -0400
> Am I the only one here who sees Anthony Keadis as the shaman?
> <g>
>
Yes, you are.
Message no. 42
From: bryan.covington@****.COM
Subject: Re: Shadowrun Movie
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1998 14:08:07 -0400
>
I just thought of this in another thread but how about Tom
Berrenger as a Merc or sammy. Take a look at "Sniper" if you think he
doesn't fit the part.
Message no. 43
From: Gurth <gurth@******.NL>
Subject: Re: Shadowrun Movie
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1998 20:36:41 +0100
Eric M. Farmer said on 11:08/31 Jul 98,...

> Patrick Stewart would make a better corp man. Maybe a Johnson?

Yeah, then he can say "Make it so" when the runners he hired
leave to do the job :)

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Message no. 44
From: Jett <zmjett@*********.COM>
Subject: Re: Shadowrun Movie
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1998 14:36:18 -0400
Dhl9@***.COM wrote:
>
> In a message dated 98-07-30 22:44:45 EDT, you write:
>
> > >YMMV, of course. Anyone have any other suggestions?
>
> Samuel L. Jackson as a burned out mage.


Mel Gibson as a burned-out merc?


--Jett

<*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*>


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occasional advice or insult."
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Message no. 45
From: Jett <zmjett@*********.COM>
Subject: Re: Shadowrun Movie
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1998 14:44:28 -0400
Eric M. Farmer wrote:
>
> > Billy Bob Thornton and Steve Buscemi as some Seattle fixers...
> > Patrick Stewart as a street doc...
>
> Actually, Billy Bob Thornton would be a really good rigger. Don't believe
> me? Watch U-turn. It's twisted, and Thornton plays toothless backwater
> mechanic. Great role. Make him a little more civilized, and you have
> yourself a rigger.
>
> Steve Buscemi I can see as a Rat street Shaman. Whaddya think?
>
I could see that. I could also see Cheech Marin as a rat shaman. Or
better yet, a Chihuahua shaman...

> Patrick Stewart would make a better corp man. Maybe a Johnson?

He did it in "Masterminds", and while the movie sucked, he wasn't bad in
the role.


How about Anjelica Huston as a female mage? Or better yet, Anjelica
Huston as a Bug Spirit Queen. Hey, I could see it...

I'd also like to see Denis Leary in this somehow, probably as a street
sam/merc.


--Jett

<*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*>


"I'll make this clear, that I'm just here for backup. And to offer the
occasional advice or insult."
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Message no. 46
From: Kevin Langevin <kevinl@******.COM>
Subject: Re: Shadowrun Movie
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1998 14:53:46 -0400
> Eric M. Farmer wrote:
> I'd also like to see Denis Leary in this somehow, probably as a street
> sam/merc.

How about Mel Gibson as a PhysAd? Or Kevin Spacey as a street mage?
Message no. 47
From: Wyrmy <elfman@******.COM>
Subject: Re: Shadowrun Movie
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1998 14:12:03 -0500
Dhl9@***.COM wrote:
>
> In a message dated 98-07-31 10:48:28 EDT, you write:
>
> > True enough, but I'm on a "fight typecasting" kick the last couple
weeks.
>
> Pamela Lee as Nadja Daviar or Samantha Villiers.

Or have her be Hanna Uljeken(SP?).But who wouild play Kyle Teller?the
indian cop in Thunderheart?
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Message no. 48
From: Dhl9@***.COM
Subject: Re: Shadowrun Movie
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1998 16:59:40 EDT
In a message dated 98-07-31 14:39:48 EDT, Jett wrote:

> Mel Gibson as a burned-out merc?<<

Hasn't Mel been playing that part for the last 10 years or so?
Message no. 49
From: Steven McCormick <stardust@***.NET>
Subject: Re: Shadowrun Movie
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1998 17:51:03 -0500
At 09:51 PM 7/30/98 -0500, Patrick Goodman wrote:
>>Personally, I
>>would go to the opposite end of the spectrum and use someone like Lance
>>Henrickson (Millenium, Aliens II). An odd choice, but I like his dark
>>brooding style. I picture Harlequin as an introspective person with many
>>cares and concerns.
>
>Yeah, I've always pictured the clown bit as an act. Go read "Wyrm Talk"
>sometime to see that aspect. The question is, could Henriksen be convinced
>to put on the pointy ears?
>
>

Of course he would, if you paid him enough money :). And didn't someone
say earlier that we've got Great Dragon backing for this film of ours?
Which is probably why we can afford a whole cast of "A" class actors :)
And if Lofwyr is backing us, he will no doubt want to be cast in a good
light (guh!), gotta keep up the corporate image ya' know. Who's gonna tell
him he's the bad guy? :)

BlueMule
Message no. 50
From: Jett <zmjett@*********.COM>
Subject: Re: Shadowrun Movie
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1998 19:10:46 -0400
Steven McCormick wrote:
>
> At 09:51 PM 7/30/98 -0500, Patrick Goodman wrote:
> >>Personally, I
> >>would go to the opposite end of the spectrum and use someone like Lance
> >>Henrickson (Millenium, Aliens II). An odd choice, but I like his dark
> >>brooding style. I picture Harlequin as an introspective person with many
> >>cares and concerns.
> >
> >Yeah, I've always pictured the clown bit as an act. Go read "Wyrm
Talk"
> >sometime to see that aspect. The question is, could Henriksen be convinced
> >to put on the pointy ears?
> >
> >
>
> Of course he would, if you paid him enough money :). And didn't someone
> say earlier that we've got Great Dragon backing for this film of ours?
> Which is probably why we can afford a whole cast of "A" class actors :)
> And if Lofwyr is backing us, he will no doubt want to be cast in a good
> light (guh!), gotta keep up the corporate image ya' know. Who's gonna tell
> him he's the bad guy? :)
>
> BlueMule


Speaking of dragons...GOTTA have Sean Connery as either the voice of
Dunkelzahn or an aging mage. Come on, Sean Connery rules!

How about putting Christopher Lambert in as a phys ad?

I'd like to see Donald Southerland in there too, perhaps as a slightly
over-the-edge street doc, a la Dark City...


--Jett

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occasional advice or insult."
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Message no. 51
From: "Eric M. Farmer" <efarmer@********.CC.EDU>
Subject: Re: Shadowrun Movie
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1998 19:08:38 -0500
> Speaking of dragons...GOTTA have Sean Connery as either the voice of
> Dunkelzahn or an aging mage. Come on, Sean Connery rules!

Sean Connery as a dragon voice has been done. Remember Dragonheart?
Nobody needs another on of those.

James Earl Jones as the voice of a dragon. Or maybe Isaac Hayes.

Eric Farmer
efarmer@********.cc.edu
http://www.cc.edu/~efarmer/
Message no. 52
From: Michael vanHulst <Schizi@***.COM>
Subject: Re: Shadowrun Movie
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1998 20:43:14 EDT
In a message dated 98-07-31 03:25:39 EDT, you write:

> Hmm...let's see now...opening scene...a slightly lit bedroom of some
> undetermined location (hotel type), with a look on a guys face (Leo's) of
> utter surprise/ecstacy, and the bed is jostling just a bit. All you can
> really see is his face and upper shoulders....it sounds like he's moaning,
> and
> there's some obvious slurping type noises...the camera doesn't remain on
his
> face, only long enough for everyone to see it's "HIM"...camera begins to
pan
> upwards from the floor to the top of the bed itself,
and you see the form of a giant Mantis Spirit scattering his innards in a gory
feast. Door breaks in and gunfight starts. (maybe the "heroes" come in, maybe
it is just the Star and the scene has nothing to do with the rest of the
movie)
Oh and while we are doing that, can the camera pan past a shot of the
Gordita Dog in a few pieces also?
Message no. 53
From: Michael vanHulst <Schizi@***.COM>
Subject: Re: Shadowrun Movie
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1998 20:44:23 EDT
In a message dated 98-07-31 03:28:43 EDT, you write:

> > Oh, now this one is nice. Val Kilmer could also do a really nice
> "seasons
> > street samurai" IMO.
> >
> Kilmer would be better off in a suit playing the Mr Johnson
> role. Even better if the plot involves the team being screwed over
Kilmer could also be a nice hermetic if you want to go for the "uptight mage"
look
Message no. 54
From: Patrick Goodman <remo@***.NET>
Subject: Re: Shadowrun Movie
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1998 19:49:33 -0500
>> Speaking of dragons...GOTTA have Sean Connery as either the voice of
>> Dunkelzahn or an aging mage. Come on, Sean Connery rules!
>
>Sean Connery as a dragon voice has been done. Remember Dragonheart?
>Nobody needs another on of those.

Sez you. Some of us really enjoyed DRAGONHEART....

OTOH, I don't think we need Connery as the voice of every dragon to come
down the pike.
Message no. 55
From: Jett <zmjett@*********.COM>
Subject: Re: Shadowrun Movie
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1998 20:51:02 -0400
Patrick Goodman wrote:
>
> >> Speaking of dragons...GOTTA have Sean Connery as either the voice of
> >> Dunkelzahn or an aging mage. Come on, Sean Connery rules!
> >
> >Sean Connery as a dragon voice has been done. Remember Dragonheart?
> >Nobody needs another on of those.
>
> Sez you. Some of us really enjoyed DRAGONHEART....
>
> OTOH, I don't think we need Connery as the voice of every dragon to come
> down the pike.

True. I think James Earl Jones WOULD be a good choice for a dragon,
though.

--Jett

<*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*>


"I'll make this clear, that I'm just here for backup. And to offer the
occasional advice or insult."
--Jett, on being an NPC

Behold the mighty sonic scream of the Jett!

http://www.scifi-fantasy.com/~zmjett/shadow.htm
Message no. 56
From: Dhl9@***.COM
Subject: Re: Shadowrun Movie
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1998 21:22:57 EDT
In a message dated 98-07-31 19:14:11 EDT, you write:

> Speaking of dragons...GOTTA have Sean Connery as either the voice of
> Dunkelzahn or an aging mage. Come on, Sean Connery rules!
>

James Earl Jones has to be a dragon. Maybe Sirrug the Destroyer.

One name that hasn't come up. Where is Dennis Rodman in the movie? Dennis is
already in the 6th world. Maybe we have Dennis just play Dennis.
Message no. 57
From: Michael vanHulst <Schizi@***.COM>
Subject: Re: Shadowrun Movie
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1998 21:27:31 EDT
In a message dated 98-07-31 20:14:20 EDT, you write:

> James Earl Jones as the voice of a dragon. Or maybe Isaac Hayes.
Dunk (in James Ealr Jones Voice)
"Lofwyr, I am your father"
Message no. 58
From: Steven McCormick <stardust@***.NET>
Subject: Re: Shadowrun Movie
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1998 20:34:51 -0500
At 08:43 PM 7/31/98 EDT, Michael vanHulst wrote:
>In a message dated 98-07-31 03:25:39 EDT, you write:
>
>> Hmm...let's see now...opening scene...a slightly lit bedroom of some
>> undetermined location (hotel type), with a look on a guys face (Leo's) of
>> utter surprise/ecstacy, and the bed is jostling just a bit. All you can
>> really see is his face and upper shoulders....it sounds like he's moaning,
>> and
>> there's some obvious slurping type noises...the camera doesn't remain on
>his
>> face, only long enough for everyone to see it's "HIM"...camera begins
to
>pan
>> upwards from the floor to the top of the bed itself,
>and you see the form of a giant Mantis Spirit scattering his innards in a
gory
>feast. Door breaks in and gunfight starts. (maybe the "heroes" come in,
maybe
>it is just the Star and the scene has nothing to do with the rest of the
>movie)
> Oh and while we are doing that, can the camera pan past a shot of the
>Gordita Dog in a few pieces also?
>
>

ROFLMAO...Touche!! That stupid dog probably did the "lizard, lizard" thing
at just the wrong time.

BlueMule
Message no. 59
From: Steven McCormick <stardust@***.NET>
Subject: Re: Shadowrun Movie
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1998 20:41:28 -0500
At 08:51 PM 7/31/98 -0400, Jett wrote:
>Patrick Goodman wrote:
>>
>> >> Speaking of dragons...GOTTA have Sean Connery as either the voice of
>> >> Dunkelzahn or an aging mage. Come on, Sean Connery rules!
>> >
>> >Sean Connery as a dragon voice has been done. Remember Dragonheart?
>> >Nobody needs another on of those.
>>
>> Sez you. Some of us really enjoyed DRAGONHEART....
>>
>> OTOH, I don't think we need Connery as the voice of every dragon to come
>> down the pike.
>
>True. I think James Earl Jones WOULD be a good choice for a dragon,
>though.
>

Yep, James Earl Jones as the voice of the dragon, we want Mr. Connery *in*
the movie :)

BlueMule
Message no. 60
From: Nexx Many-Scars <Nexx3@***.COM>
Subject: Re: Shadowrun Movie
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1998 23:42:00 EDT
In a message dated 31/07/98 19:54:18 Central Daylight Time,
zmjett@*********.COM writes:

> > OTOH, I don't think we need Connery as the voice of every dragon to come
> > down the pike.
>
> True. I think James Earl Jones WOULD be a good choice for a dragon,
> though.

Nahh, we need JMJ as the voice of someone's totem... after all, we all know
God sounds like JMJ...

Nexx
Message no. 61
From: Patrick Goodman <remo@***.NET>
Subject: Re: Shadowrun Movie
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1998 22:46:40 -0500
>> True. I think James Earl Jones WOULD be a good choice for a dragon,
>> though.
>
>Nahh, we need JMJ as the voice of someone's totem... after all, we all know
>God sounds like JMJ...

JEJ, right...? <g>

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Message no. 62
From: Nexx Many-Scars <Nexx3@***.COM>
Subject: Re: Shadowrun Movie
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1998 23:48:16 EDT
In a message dated 31/07/98 21:00:26 Central Daylight Time, stardust@***.NET
writes:

> > Oh and while we are doing that, can the camera pan past a shot of the
> >Gordita Dog in a few pieces also?
> >
> ROFLMAO...Touche!! That stupid dog probably did the "lizard, lizard"
thing
> at just the wrong time.

Perhaps as Lofwyr flies over?

Nexx
Message no. 63
From: Nexx Many-Scars <Nexx3@***.COM>
Subject: Re: Shadowrun Movie
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1998 23:53:34 EDT
In a message dated 31/07/98 22:47:52 Central Daylight Time, remo@***.NET
writes:

> >Nahh, we need JMJ as the voice of someone's totem... after all, we all know
> >God sounds like JMJ...
>
> JEJ, right...? <g>
>

That's what I meant... I have no idea where the M came from...

NMS
Message no. 64
From: Patrick Goodman <remo@***.NET>
Subject: Re: Shadowrun Movie
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1998 23:00:58 -0500
>> >Nahh, we need JMJ as the voice of someone's totem... after all, we
>> >all know God sounds like JMJ...
>>
>> JEJ, right...? <g>
>
>That's what I meant... I have no idea where the M came from...

It's been a long week, Nexx. Don't sweat over-much about it.

We are going to find a part for Gary Sinise in this, aren't we?


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Message no. 65
From: John Dukes <dukes@*******.NET>
Subject: Re: Shadowrun Movie
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1998 23:24:42 -0500
>How about putting Christopher Lambert in as a phys ad?

Jackie Chan.

-Teeg
Message no. 66
From: K is the Symbol <Ereskanti@***.COM>
Subject: Re: Shadowrun Movie
Date: Sat, 1 Aug 1998 02:45:02 EDT
In a message dated 7/31/1998 6:14:08 PM US Eastern Standard Time,
zmjett@*********.COM writes:

> Speaking of dragons...GOTTA have Sean Connery as either the voice of
> Dunkelzahn or an aging mage. Come on, Sean Connery rules!

Agree with this last part :)

> How about putting Christopher Lambert in as a phys ad?

What, so they can utilize a TON of choreography on the actions, more than
normal, as Chris is going blind (and damn do I wish he wasn't).

> I'd like to see Donald Southerland in there too, perhaps as a slightly
> over-the-edge street doc, a la Dark City...

You mean Keiffer Sutherland, as he is the one who did Dark City...

-K
Message no. 67
From: Jett <zmjett@*********.COM>
Subject: Re: Shadowrun Movie
Date: Sat, 1 Aug 1998 03:00:49 -0400
K is the Symbol wrote:

>
> You mean Keiffer Sutherland, as he is the one who did Dark City...
>
> -K


Yep, got me on that one, but I DO like Donald Sutherland as well. As an
aging mage, I would think, a bit a la Buffy the Vampire Slayer (the
movie, not the series). Kiefer as the street doc. :)


--Jett

<*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*>


"I'll make this clear, that I'm just here for backup. And to offer the
occasional advice or insult."
--Jett, on being an NPC

Behold the mighty sonic scream of the Jett!

http://www.scifi-fantasy.com/~zmjett/shadow.htm
Message no. 68
From: Spike <u5a77@*****.CS.KEELE.AC.UK>
Subject: Re: Shadowrun Movie
Date: Sat, 1 Aug 1998 12:45:45 +0100
And verily, did Gurth hastily scribble thusly...
|
|Eric M. Farmer said on 11:08/31 Jul 98,...
|
|> Patrick Stewart would make a better corp man. Maybe a Johnson?
|
|Yeah, then he can say "Make it so" when the runners he hired
|leave to do the job :)

But then, if he was a decker, he'd be able to have a program called Warp,
and thus, he'd be able to say "Warp 5! ENGAGE!" legitimately....

:)

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Message no. 69
From: Spike <u5a77@*****.CS.KEELE.AC.UK>
Subject: Re: Shadowrun Movie
Date: Sat, 1 Aug 1998 13:09:37 +0100
And verily, did Jett hastily scribble thusly...
|Yep, got me on that one, but I DO like Donald Sutherland as well. As an
|aging mage, I would think, a bit a la Buffy the Vampire Slayer (the
|movie, not the series). Kiefer as the street doc. :)

Hmmm....
How about Giles (from Buffy) as a bookish mage type blokey who everyone
always underestimates?
:)
Or is that steriotyping...
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Message no. 70
From: Mike Bobroff <Airwasp@***.COM>
Subject: Re: Shadowrun Movie
Date: Sat, 1 Aug 1998 09:25:27 EDT
In a message dated 7/31/98 8:24:21 PM US Eastern Standard Time, Dhl9@***.COM
writes:

> > Speaking of dragons...GOTTA have Sean Connery as either the voice of
> > Dunkelzahn or an aging mage. Come on, Sean Connery rules!
> >
>
> James Earl Jones has to be a dragon. Maybe Sirrug the Destroyer.

Nope, sorry on this one .. typecasting some here ... the voice of a cyber-
zombie ... perhaps Burn-out ?!?

> One name that hasn't come up. Where is Dennis Rodman in the movie? Dennis
is
> already in the 6th world. Maybe we have Dennis just play Dennis.

Who ?!? Oh, yeah ... some wannabe from the twentieth that was a one
dimensional sports wonder.

-Herc
------- The Best Mechanic you can ever have.
Message no. 71
From: Caric <caric@********.COM>
Subject: Re: Shadowrun Movie
Date: Sat, 1 Aug 1998 09:38:39 -0700
> From: Spike <u5a77@*****.CS.KEELE.AC.UK>

> And verily, did Gurth hastily scribble thusly...
> |
> |Eric M. Farmer said on 11:08/31 Jul 98,...
> |
> |> Patrick Stewart would make a better corp man. Maybe a Johnson?
> |
> |Yeah, then he can say "Make it so" when the runners he hired
> |leave to do the job :)
>
> But then, if he was a decker, he'd be able to have a program called Warp,
> and thus, he'd be able to say "Warp 5! ENGAGE!" legitimately....
>
> :)

Well what about a mage with an ally spirit that he can call "Number One."

;)

Caric
Message no. 72
From: Caric <caric@********.COM>
Subject: Re: Shadowrun Movie
Date: Sat, 1 Aug 1998 09:39:46 -0700
> From: Spike <u5a77@*****.CS.KEELE.AC.UK>

> And verily, did Jett hastily scribble thusly...
> |Yep, got me on that one, but I DO like Donald Sutherland as well. As an
> |aging mage, I would think, a bit a la Buffy the Vampire Slayer (the
> |movie, not the series). Kiefer as the street doc. :)
>
> Hmmm....
> How about Giles (from Buffy) as a bookish mage type blokey who everyone
> always underestimates?
> :)
> Or is that steriotyping...

Hell yes it's stereotyping, but that doesn't make it a bad idea :)


Caric
Message no. 73
From: Nexx Many-Scars <Nexx3@***.COM>
Subject: Re: Shadowrun Movie
Date: Sat, 1 Aug 1998 17:21:34 EDT
In a message dated 98-08-01 12:45:43 EDT, you write:

> > |> Patrick Stewart would make a better corp man. Maybe a Johnson?
> > |
> > |Yeah, then he can say "Make it so" when the runners he hired
> > |leave to do the job :)
> >
> > But then, if he was a decker, he'd be able to have a program called Warp,
> > and thus, he'd be able to say "Warp 5! ENGAGE!" legitimately....
> >
> > :)
>
> Well what about a mage with an ally spirit that he can call "Number One."


Why don't we just get Zucker, Abrams, and Zucker (of Naked Gun fame) to
produce it while we're at it.
Message no. 74
From: Spike <u5a77@*****.CS.KEELE.AC.UK>
Subject: Re: Shadowrun Movie
Date: Sat, 1 Aug 1998 22:25:45 +0100
And verily, did Nexx Many-Scars hastily scribble thusly...
|Why don't we just get Zucker, Abrams, and Zucker (of Naked Gun fame) to
|produce it while we're at it.
|

LOL!
YES!
Shadowrn meets Airplane.
OK THEN. Who's Lesley Neilsen going to play?
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Message no. 75
From: Nexx Many-Scars <Nexx3@***.COM>
Subject: Re: Shadowrun Movie
Date: Sat, 1 Aug 1998 17:28:37 EDT
In a message dated 98-08-01 17:26:40 EDT, you write:

> And verily, did Nexx Many-Scars hastily scribble thusly...
> |Why don't we just get Zucker, Abrams, and Zucker (of Naked Gun fame) to
> |produce it while we're at it.
> |
>
> LOL!
> YES!
> Shadowrn meets Airplane.
> OK THEN. Who's Lesley Neilsen going to play?

Actually, I was being sarcastic, but I would cast him in the role of Frank
Drebin, of Police Squad (having undergone a couple trips to the Leonization
tank).

Nexx
Message no. 76
From: rabiola <rabiola@**.NETCOM.COM>
Subject: Re: Shadowrun Movie
Date: Sat, 1 Aug 1998 17:44:06 -0500
> How's this one, Toxic Shaman.....Dennis Hopper.
>
> Gary Oldman always makes a gloriously evil villain
also.
>

Jack Nicholson, ever on the edge, in there somewhere...

Tony Rabiola rabiola@**.netcom.com
Fourth and Sixth World Adept
Still working on the Fifth...
Message no. 77
From: rabiola <rabiola@**.NETCOM.COM>
Subject: Re: Shadowrun Movie
Date: Sat, 1 Aug 1998 17:45:24 -0500
>>
>> Leonardo DiCaprio as anything that dies spectacularly and preferably
>> early.
>
>I second that. Actually, put him on a bust that gets wasted with
>Keanu Reeves, Steven Segal, and the cast of 90210.
>


Laugh! Seconded on everyone but Segal. VanDamme maybe, but not
Steve...

Tony Rabiola rabiola@**.netcom.com
Fourth and Sixth World Adept
Still working on the Fifth...
Message no. 78
From: "Paul Wynter (Seraph)" <seraph@********.COM>
Subject: Re: Shadowrun Movie
Date: Sat, 1 Aug 1998 17:23:14 -0700
>>> Leonardo DiCaprio as anything that dies spectacularly and preferably
>>> early.
>>
>>I second that. Actually, put him on a bust that gets wasted with
>>Keanu Reeves, Steven Segal, and the cast of 90210.
>>
>
>
>Laugh! Seconded on everyone but Segal. VanDamme maybe, but not
>Steve...


Definitely Segal...And very,very,very definitely 90210!
Not sure why everyone hates DiCaprio...
Message no. 79
From: Pantherr <pantherr@*****.NET>
Subject: Re: Shadowrun Movie
Date: Sat, 1 Aug 1998 18:01:19 -0500
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> Jack Nicholson, ever on the edge, in there somewhere...

Fighting the call of the Bugs ;)

How about Jack Palance as the rigger?

Pantherr

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Message no. 80
From: Strago strago@***.com
Subject: Shadowrun movie
Date: Sun, 21 May 2000 23:06:52 -0400
I was brushing my teeth when a thought struck me. A Shadowrun movie
would be pretty damn cool. The only question is how it would go over
with the general public. I'm sure most of us on the list, provided it
was done right, would love to see our favorite rpg brought to life on
the big screen. But how would Joe Q. Public? Would it be popular? And
what genre do you see it? I'd lean towards Action, with a heavy
emphasis on drama besides (not Romance, but something more than just
go in, blow it up, go home). And what kind of plot would there be?
Would it be one run, or a series of inter-related runs?

I'm going to try to start a script. Comments would be appreciated.
I'll probably be posting it, when I get it going, to ShadowFanFic.

--
--Strago

All Hail Apathy! Or don't. Whatever. -abortion_engine

SRGC v0.2 !SR1 SR2+ SR3++ h b++ B- UB- IE+ RN+ SRFF W+ sa++ ma++ ad+
m+ (o++ d+) gm+ M P
Message no. 81
From: Simon and Fiona sfuller@******.com.au
Subject: Shadowrun movie
Date: Mon, 22 May 2000 15:38:44 +1000
-----Original Message-----
From: Strago <strago@***.com>
To: ShadowRN <shadowrn@*********.com>
Date: Monday, May 22, 2000 1:04 PM
Subject: Shadowrun movie


>I was brushing my teeth when a thought struck me. A Shadowrun movie
>would be pretty damn cool. The only question is how it would go over
>with the general public. I'm sure most of us on the list, provided it
>was done right, would love to see our favorite rpg brought to life on
>the big screen. But how would Joe Q. Public? Would it be popular? And
>what genre do you see it? I'd lean towards Action, with a heavy
>emphasis on drama besides (not Romance, but something more than just
>go in, blow it up, go home). And what kind of plot would there be?
>Would it be one run, or a series of inter-related runs?
>
>I'm going to try to start a script. Comments would be appreciated.
>I'll probably be posting it, when I get it going, to ShadowFanFic.
>
>--
>--Strago
>
I would enjoy a Shadowrun movie. However, I have met a few people who think
the concept of Shadowrun is stupid, and I don't look for them (some of these
same people play Vampire and don't have a problem). I think that mainstream
people would be confused or just turned off by the idea of a Shadowrun
movie. You'd have to spend half the movie explaining what's going on. Now, a
TV series, that's a different matter. You could spend an entire movie length
premiere explaining the sixth world, and get a solid core of fans by season
three.
Message no. 82
From: Jkmiland@***.com Jkmiland@***.com
Subject: Shadowrun movie
Date: Mon, 22 May 2000 01:36:49 EDT
In a message dated 5/21/00 10:23:37 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
sfuller@******.com.au writes:

> I would enjoy a Shadowrun movie. However, I have met a few people who think
> the concept of Shadowrun is stupid, and I don't look for them (some of
these
> same people play Vampire and don't have a problem). I think that mainstream
> people would be confused or just turned off by the idea of a Shadowrun
> movie. You'd have to spend half the movie explaining what's going on. Now,
a
> TV series, that's a different matter. You could spend an entire movie
length
> premiere explaining the sixth world, and get a solid core of fans by season
> three.

Case in point: "New Rose Hotel", a movie adapted by a Gibson short story. A
perfect SR story, really; but very little explanation of corporate sabotage
was included, so the people I saw it with (who don't know or play Shadowrun)
were confused and thought the movie sucked. (I thought it sucked, but for a
lot of other reasons.) It would take a lot of work to make SR do-able as a
film, and I don't mean SFX-wise.
Message no. 83
From: DragonC147@***.com DragonC147@***.com
Subject: Shadowrun movie
Date: Mon, 22 May 2000 01:59:28 EDT
In a message dated 5/22/00 1:37:04 AM Eastern Daylight Time, Jkmiland@***.com
writes:

> In a message dated 5/21/00 10:23:37 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
> sfuller@******.com.au writes:
> > I would enjoy a Shadowrun movie. However, I have met a few people who
think
> > the concept of Shadowrun is stupid, and I don't look for them (some of
> these
> > same people play Vampire and don't have a problem). I think that
> mainstream
> > people would be confused or just turned off by the idea of a Shadowrun
> > movie. You'd have to spend half the movie explaining what's going on.
Now,
>
> a
> > TV series, that's a different matter. You could spend an entire movie
> length
> > premiere explaining the sixth world, and get a solid core of fans by
> season
> > three.
>
> Case in point: "New Rose Hotel", a movie adapted by a Gibson short story.

A
>
> perfect SR story, really; but very little explanation of corporate
sabotage
> was included, so the people I saw it with (who don't know or play
Shadowrun)
>
> were confused and thought the movie sucked. (I thought it sucked, but for
a
>
> lot of other reasons.) It would take a lot of work to make SR do-able as
a
> film, and I don't mean SFX-wise.

I think that a Shadowrun movie would do very well. It would just be like
turning a book like Star Wars into a movie, or the Hobbit. You don't have to
explain anything really. In the beginning of the movie having text that says
"The year is 2060, magic has returned to the world,....." like the 1
paragraph description that is all over the place on the web. There really
isn't anything that is that much different from modern times that couldn't be
explained in the move. Something like the movie the "The 5th Element" would
work fine, yes the world has changed, but not enough to try to explain
everything that FASA spends a chapter on in their sourcebooks on. I believe
that a SR movie would do fine, as long as the acting and plot were okay.

Dragon Claw
Message no. 84
From: Jkmiland@***.com Jkmiland@***.com
Subject: Shadowrun movie
Date: Mon, 22 May 2000 02:02:03 EDT
In a message dated 5/21/00 10:59:52 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
DragonC147@***.com writes:

> I think that a Shadowrun movie would do very well. It would just be like
> turning a book like Star Wars into a movie, or the Hobbit.

I'm not a big Star Wars fan--other than Episode 1, I haven't watched any of
these movies--but didn't Star Wars start as a film before turning into a huge
line of books?
Message no. 85
From: Ahrain Ahrain_Drigar@*******.com
Subject: Shadowrun movie
Date: Mon, 22 May 2000 03:08:24 -0400
----- Original Message -----
From: <Jkmiland@***.com>
Subject: Re: Shadowrun movie


> In a message dated 5/21/00 10:59:52 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
> DragonC147@***.com writes:
>
> > I think that a Shadowrun movie would do very well. It would just be
like
> > turning a book like Star Wars into a movie, or the Hobbit.
>
> I'm not a big Star Wars fan--other than Episode 1, I haven't watched any
of
> these movies--but didn't Star Wars start as a film before turning into a
huge
> line of books?
>
OT> Actually Star wars was first written by George Lucas in December 1976 as
Star Wars: From the Adventures of Luke Skywalker (just got done reading it
again), and was designed as a "Space Opera". Heroic knight saving the
princess and all. Sorry, I've been a fan boy since '77 :P

ON T>In truth one of the easiest ways to do the SR movie while explaining
things would be to have it narrated by the main character ala the non
directors cut Bladerunner. He could be explaining the history, awakening,
magic, the whole nine yards and doing it as it pertains to the story at hand
to boot.

Personally, I would jump at the chance to see it done. I have a friend of
mine that is into movies and industrial design and stuff (was a puppeteer on
Muppets from Space). He also has about 9 scripts of his own written and in
the middle of doing for local film festivals. I will talk to him about any
ideas and/or pointers on the subject.

the sleepy/it's 3 in the morning ....Ahrain
Message no. 86
From: Michael Schmidt Michael.Schmidt@****.uni-hannover.de
Subject: Shadowrun movie
Date: Mon, 22 May 2000 10:30:02 +0200 (MET DST)
On Mon, 22 May 2000 DragonC147@***.com wrote:

> In a message dated 5/22/00 1:37:04 AM Eastern Daylight Time, Jkmiland@***.com
> writes:
>
> > In a message dated 5/21/00 10:23:37 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
> > sfuller@******.com.au writes:
> > > I would enjoy a Shadowrun movie. However, I have met a few people who
> think
> > > the concept of Shadowrun is stupid, and I don't look for them (some of
> > these

Look at the film Matrix, as far as I remember it was quite successful, and
it is nearly the same genre.

> I think that a Shadowrun movie would do very well. It would just be like
> turning a book like Star Wars into a movie, or the Hobbit. You don't have to
> explain anything really. In the beginning of the movie having text that says
> "The year is 2060, magic has returned to the world,....." like the 1
> paragraph description that is all over the place on the web. There really
> isn't anything that is that much different from modern times that couldn't be
> explained in the move. Something like the movie the "The 5th Element"
would
> work fine, yes the world has changed, but not enough to try to explain
> everything that FASA spends a chapter on in their sourcebooks on. I believe
> that a SR movie would do fine, as long as the acting and plot were okay.

Take a look at Matrix again, the summary of changes in the world,
which is done by Morpheus takes about 15 mins, but is long enough to
understand. The return of magic and and technological level could be
summarized in an intro. The description of economics and influence of the
megacorps could be integrated into the storyline like in this SR-trilogie
, the name a can`t remember. The first with Samuel Verner.

Michael Schmidt

Icewolf
Message no. 87
From: Simon and Fiona sfuller@******.com.au
Subject: Shadowrun movie
Date: Mon, 22 May 2000 19:11:30 +1000
-----Original Message-----
From: Michael Schmidt <Michael.Schmidt@****.uni-hannover.de>
To: shadowrn@*********.com <shadowrn@*********.com>
Date: Monday, May 22, 2000 6:31 PM
Subject: Re: Shadowrun movie


>On Mon, 22 May 2000 DragonC147@***.com wrote:
>
>> In a message dated 5/22/00 1:37:04 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
Jkmiland@***.com
>> writes:
>>
>> > In a message dated 5/21/00 10:23:37 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
>> > sfuller@******.com.au writes:
>> > > I would enjoy a Shadowrun movie. However, I have met a few people who
>> think
>> > > the concept of Shadowrun is stupid, and I don't look for them (some
of
>> > these
>
>Look at the film Matrix, as far as I remember it was quite successful, and
>it is nearly the same genre.

The thing people tell me that they find stupid about Shadowrun is (to quote
a girl over in WebRPG) "Goblin Day". Dark cyberpunk future people can
handle, magic in the future is a bit of a strange concept, because a lot
have people have compartmentalised minds. Magic, yes. Cyberpunk, yes. But
together? No. Obviously this isn't my view otherwise I wouldn't be here, I'm
just letting you know what other people think.
Besides, outside of role players and Tolkien fans, nobody knows what an Ork
is (which is why they should have been called ogres or something instead).

>
>> I think that a Shadowrun movie would do very well. It would just be like
>> turning a book like Star Wars into a movie, or the Hobbit. You don't
have to
>> explain anything really. In the beginning of the movie having text that
says
>> "The year is 2060, magic has returned to the world,....." like the 1
>> paragraph description that is all over the place on the web. There
really
>> isn't anything that is that much different from modern times that
couldn't be
>> explained in the move. Something like the movie the "The 5th Element"
would
>> work fine, yes the world has changed, but not enough to try to explain
>> everything that FASA spends a chapter on in their sourcebooks on. I
believe
>> that a SR movie would do fine, as long as the acting and plot were okay.
>
>Take a look at Matrix again, the summary of changes in the world,
>which is done by Morpheus takes about 15 mins, but is long enough to
>understand. The return of magic and and technological level could be
>summarized in an intro. The description of economics and influence of the
>megacorps could be integrated into the storyline like in this SR-trilogie
>, the name a can`t remember. The first with Samuel Verner.
>
>Michael Schmidt
>
>Icewolf

The history in Matrix was the linchpin of the whole story. Goblinisation and
the return of magic would just be part of the background. People would be
asking why, and would feel robbed if they aren't given a feasible reason
(we, on the other hand, are quite happy with "It just did", and then we dig
for clues, something you can't really do in a movie). Unless, of course, a
reason is given, and the whole story is based on someone trying to find out
exactly what happened, and I can't see FASA allowing that.
Message no. 88
From: Allen Versfeld moe@*******.com
Subject: Shadowrun movie
Date: Mon, 22 May 2000 11:13:38 +0200
Simon and Fiona wrote:
>
> The history in Matrix was the linchpin of the whole story. Goblinisation and
> the return of magic would just be part of the background. People would be
> asking why, and would feel robbed if they aren't given a feasible reason
> (we, on the other hand, are quite happy with "It just did", and then we dig
> for clues, something you can't really do in a movie). Unless, of course, a
> reason is given, and the whole story is based on someone trying to find out
> exactly what happened, and I can't see FASA allowing that.

A reason (assuming you're talking about a reason for the awakening)
should be simple enough - just go on about ancient prophecies predicting
the ebb and fall of magic, chuck in a reference to the (insert ancient
civilisation - mayan, wasn't it?). Perhaps it could start in a lecture
room at MIT&M, with professor-by-day-shadowrunner-by-night type
explaining history of the awakened world to bored students.

Gosh, wow, there's a hidden wannabe director in me. Excuse me while I
do the world a favour, and squash him ;-)

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Message no. 89
From: Strago strago@***.com
Subject: Shadowrun movie
Date: Mon, 22 May 2000 11:01:02 -0400
Simon and Fiona wrote:

> <SNIP>

> >> > In a message dated 5/21/00 10:23:37 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
> >> > sfuller@******.com.au writes:
> >> > > I would enjoy a Shadowrun movie. However, I have met a few people
who
> >> think
> >> > > the concept of Shadowrun is stupid, and I don't look for them
(some
> of
> >> > these
> >
> >Look at the film Matrix, as far as I remember it was quite successful, and
> >it is nearly the same genre.
>
> The thing people tell me that they find stupid about Shadowrun is (to quote
> a girl over in WebRPG) "Goblin Day". Dark cyberpunk future people can
> handle, magic in the future is a bit of a strange concept, because a lot
> have people have compartmentalised minds. Magic, yes. Cyberpunk, yes. But
> together? No. Obviously this isn't my view otherwise I wouldn't be here, I'm
> just letting you know what other people think.
> Besides, outside of role players and Tolkien fans, nobody knows what an Ork
> is (which is why they should have been called ogres or something instead).
>

AH, but do you really need to say "I'm an Ork, she's an Ork, he's a Troll?" No.
In the film, you just have someone with the size and makeup to look like an Ork.
That'll be enough of a surprise all by itself.

> >> I think that a Shadowrun movie would do very well. It would just be like
> >> turning a book like Star Wars into a movie, or the Hobbit. You don't
> have to
> >> explain anything really. In the beginning of the movie having text that
> says
> >> "The year is 2060, magic has returned to the world,....." like the
1
> >> paragraph description that is all over the place on the web. There
> really
> >> isn't anything that is that much different from modern times that
> couldn't be
> >> explained in the move. Something like the movie the "The 5th
Element"
> would
> >> work fine, yes the world has changed, but not enough to try to explain
> >> everything that FASA spends a chapter on in their sourcebooks on. I
> believe
> >> that a SR movie would do fine, as long as the acting and plot were okay.
> >
> >Take a look at Matrix again, the summary of changes in the world,
> >which is done by Morpheus takes about 15 mins, but is long enough to
> >understand. The return of magic and and technological level could be
> >summarized in an intro. The description of economics and influence of the
> >megacorps could be integrated into the storyline like in this SR-trilogie
> >, the name a can`t remember. The first with Samuel Verner.
>

> The history in Matrix was the linchpin of the whole story. Goblinisation and
> the return of magic would just be part of the background. People would be
> asking why, and would feel robbed if they aren't given a feasible reason
> (we, on the other hand, are quite happy with "It just did", and then we dig
> for clues, something you can't really do in a movie). Unless, of course, a
> reason is given, and the whole story is based on someone trying to find out
> exactly what happened, and I can't see FASA allowing that.

But how are you going to do that? Have someone wake up after 50 years? That's
why the idea of the 1 paragraph idea would work. I don't know. My idea was so
much less than this. Just a movie playing in the Shadowrun world.

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Message no. 90
From: The Phantom phantom023@*******.com
Subject: Shadowrun movie
Date: Mon, 22 May 2000 15:02:52 GMT
>From: Strago <strago@***.com>

>I was brushing my teeth when a thought struck me. A Shadowrun movie
>would be pretty damn cool. The only question is how it would go over
>with the general public. I'm sure most of us on the list, provided it
>was done right, would love to see our favorite rpg brought to life on
>the big screen. But how would Joe Q. Public? Would it be popular? And
>what genre do you see it? I'd lean towards Action, with a heavy
>emphasis on drama besides (not Romance, but something more than just
>go in, blow it up, go home). And what kind of plot would there be?
>Would it be one run, or a series of inter-related runs?

I know I would flock to the theater to see an SR/cyberpunk movie, but I
don't see it happening. Look at the past few theatrical fourays into the
cyberpunk: Blade Runner, Johnnie Mneunonic (sp?), New Rose Hotel, and so
on. Not that Blade Runner didn't rock the party that rocked the body (it
did), but it didn't have the box office chutzpah that tells movie studios,
"This is it." Same with New Rose Hotel. Straight to video? If it's
straight to video, I'll stay with garunteed cheese with Michael Ironside and
Dolph Lundgren where I know I'll get a chuckle instead of pain. Johnnie
Mneuwhateveritsspelled, just was a great story that got raped royally by
Allen Smithee. The only redeemable things about this flick is Dolph and
Rollins. In that cheese way. For chuckles. THe Matrix is a lark in the
night. It's not going to be pulling any strings in Hollywood. If it's not
Keanu, Fishbourne, and the Wachowski's, I don't see it happening. Want
proof? I can count two films that have been languishing in developmental
hell, and one that is dead cause no studio (big or small) will take the
chance. Count Zero and Neuromancer have directors (Michael Mann I think is
still somewhat attached to Count Zero, and Chris "director of the Madonna
video 'Frozen'" Cunningham is attached to Neuromancer). While good choices,
these films do not have a forseeable future. I also doubt Oscar Nominated
director Mann will try to do something so spacey as cyberpunk. The one that
is dead is Snow Crash. It has been for some time now. I don't think there
is any way to breath life back into it.

However, there may be a breath of light in this pessimitc rant that I have
erupted on. That is the D&D movie. If that actually does decent, that may
prove that RPing movies actually have a fan base and that may contribute to
an SR movie finding someone. That and some big name attachments. But then
again, we may have another JOhnnie Mnicantspelltosavemylife. If that was my
choice, I'll be very happy without the SR movie.

Okay, my rant is over.

The Phantom-stark raving sane

>
>I'm going to try to start a script. Comments would be appreciated.
>I'll probably be posting it, when I get it going, to ShadowFanFic.
>
>--
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>
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>
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>
>
>
>


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Message no. 91
From: Raveness Ravensbane ravenessravensbane@*****.com
Subject: Shadowrun movie
Date: Mon, 22 May 2000 08:21:26 -0700 (PDT)
<snip>
> I would enjoy a Shadowrun movie. However, I have met
> a few people who think
> the concept of Shadowrun is stupid, and I don't look
> for them (some of these
> same people play Vampire and don't have a problem).
> I think that mainstream
> people would be confused or just turned off by the
> idea of a Shadowrun
> movie. You'd have to spend half the movie explaining
> what's going on. Now, a
> TV series, that's a different matter. You could
> spend an entire movie length
> premiere explaining the sixth world, and get a solid
> core of fans by season
> three.


I thought the Big Hit and Payback were Shadowrun(ish)
movies that I really liked.

I agree though about the TV series thing. It would so rock.

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Message no. 92
From: Dennis Steinmeijer dv8@********.nl
Subject: Shadowrun movie
Date: Mon, 22 May 2000 18:26:16 +0200
> I know I would flock to the theater to see an SR/cyberpunk movie, but I
> don't see it happening.

Neuromancer the movie,...

check it out at http://www.neuromancer.org

DV8

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Message no. 93
From: The Phantom phantom023@*******.com
Subject: Shadowrun movie
Date: Mon, 22 May 2000 16:58:00 GMT
Been there. Seen it. Wonderful site. Hasn't been updated AFAIK since it
went online 6 or 7 months ago. Good sign that it may happen. Bad
webmaster, bad webmaster.

Latest info on the Neuromancer and Count Zero (as well as tons of movies in
prodution) go and check out Corona Backstage Production (corona.bc.ca).
They've got ton's of information. That's where I found out the detail about
Neuromancer, Count Zero, and Snow Crash.


>From: "Dennis Steinmeijer" <dv8@********.nl>
>Reply-To: shadowrn@*********.com
>To: <shadowrn@*********.com>
>Subject: Re: Shadowrun movie
>Date: Mon, 22 May 2000 18:26:16 +0200
>
> > I know I would flock to the theater to see an SR/cyberpunk movie, but I
> > don't see it happening.
>
>Neuromancer the movie,...
>
>check it out at http://www.neuromancer.org
>
>DV8
>
>"Abashed the Devil stood, and felt how awful Goodness is,..."
>- John Milton, Paradise Lost
>
>
>
>


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Message no. 94
From: Gurth gurth@******.nl
Subject: Shadowrun movie
Date: Mon, 22 May 2000 19:19:37 +0200
According to The Phantom, at 15:02 on 22 May 00, the word on the street
was...

> Johnnie
> Mneuwhateveritsspelled

Mnemonic.

> just was a great story that got raped royally by Allen Smithee.

"Allen Smithee" = "This is not my real name but I did direct this movie
and don't want to be associated with it now that it's finished."

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Message no. 95
From: Rat winterhawk@*********.net
Subject: Shadowrun movie
Date: Mon, 22 May 2000 10:23:02 -0700
From: Allen Versfeld <moe@*******.com>

> A reason (assuming you're talking about a reason for the awakening)
> should be simple enough - just go on about ancient prophecies predicting
> the ebb and fall of magic, chuck in a reference to the (insert ancient
> civilisation - mayan, wasn't it?). Perhaps it could start in a lecture
> room at MIT&M, with professor-by-day-shadowrunner-by-night type
> explaining history of the awakened world to bored students.


Winterhawk wants to know where he can try out for this part. :)

--Rat, who'd LOVE to see a CGI Lofwyr or Dunkelzahn now that
the technology has advanced enough to support making them look
realistic...

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Message no. 96
From: Alfredo B Alves dghost@****.com
Subject: Shadowrun movie
Date: Mon, 22 May 2000 12:58:54 -0500
On Mon, 22 May 2000 10:23:02 -0700 Rat <winterhawk@*********.net> writes:
<SNIP>
> --Rat, who'd LOVE to see a CGI Lofwyr or Dunkelzahn now that
> the technology has advanced enough to support making them look
> realistic...

... now they can make Dunk and Lowfyr look like they did in life ... ;)

Where is Pedantic (Wo)Man to point out the correct term? (Veristic, I
think) :)

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Message no. 97
From: Phil Smith phil_urbanhell@*******.com
Subject: Shadowrun movie
Date: Mon, 22 May 2000 18:02:02 GMT
>From: Strago <strago@***.com>
>I was brushing my teeth when a thought struck me. A Shadowrun movie
>would be pretty damn cool. The only question is how it would go over
>with the general public. I'm sure most of us on the list, provided it
>was done right, would love to see our favorite rpg brought to life on
>the big screen. But how would Joe Q. Public?

Just drop them straight in it; have people talking about magic in a casual
way, about how they don't trust it or whatever and make sure that it comes
across as our world gone crazy. Have the main character be a fairly
"normal" person and confront them with horendous cyberware and magic with no
explanation offered. That way the viewers will associate with the main
character yet still see a really freaky world.

>Would it be popular?

Depends on the effects budget, how good a writer you are and how good the
acting is; a SR film could become another Bladerunner.

>And
>what genre do you see it?

Action heavy with a lot of drame, let people get to know the characters,
make them real people in a crazy world.

>And what kind of plot would there be?

One normal run at the start with loads of action (action of a scale we can't
comprehend today involving the most fantastic stuff in the SR universe) and
then a run that gets hosed. The runners have to escape to somewhere. Get
the really gritty street feeling into it.

If you do it well it should be really cool :)>

Phil
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Message no. 98
From: Mark A Shieh SHODAN+@***.EDU
Subject: Shadowrun movie
Date: Mon, 22 May 2000 14:12:08 -0400 (EDT)
Raveness Ravensbane <ravenessravensbane@*****.com> writes:
> I thought the Big Hit and Payback were Shadowrun(ish)
> movies that I really liked.

Yeah, but neither of those had to really explain the
awakening. There's just too much background you have to explain
before the setting makes sense, (megacorps, cyber, the matrix, and the
rest of the stereotypical cyberpunk trappings, magicians, the fantasy
races, all the new countries in North America, etc.) so you need to
cut down on the back story somehow. I think that you may have to take
a different approach, maybe something like this? (Stealing liberally
from Strago)

Strago <strago@***.com> writes:
> FADE IN ON:
> Black screen. Words appear in the center as if by magic [Really,
> they just are not on the frames and then they are on the frames]:
> The Mayan Civilization believed that every five thousand years a
> new Age of Mankind would begin.
> 2011 was the year everything started to change. The Fifth Age
> was ended. Now
> it is the Sixth Age.
> The words shimmer and reform and multiply:
> The year is 2030. [And here's the paragraph with the Magic has
^^^^
(The big change)

> returned . . . speech]
> The words disappear [Same trick as before].

You'd then go on to tell a pivotal historical story, such as Howling
Coyote and the Great Ghost Dance. I'd rather avoid the formation of
the NAN, as it's one of the less plausible parts of SR history, but
it's the only early major event that comes to mind.

Mark
Message no. 99
From: The Phantom phantom023@*******.com
Subject: Shadowrun movie
Date: Mon, 22 May 2000 18:47:56 GMT
>From: Strago <strago@***.com>
I know I have been kind of negative on this topic, but I just don't feel
that Hollywood (much less Ed Wood) could do justice to our beloved setting.
But I did undertake this kind of project a couple of years ago. I tried to
adapt Queen Euphoria. Straight foward story that could produce in my mind a
kick ass trailer. CGI mixed with guys in suits and cool make-up ala The
Mummy could generate some hairy sf/x. I had envioned the opening being the
explanation you were talking about with pictures of major occurances in the
background. Like amateur video and snapshots. Things like Ryumo awakening,
and the Night of Rage. I figured those would make for good imagery. The
opening credits flash by over quick snippets of life in Seattle. Mixing
high-society and the underbelly, plus an advertisement for Wyrm Talk. But
I never fininshed the script due to the fact that I had too much dialogue.
I starter getting into the characters far too early in the script, and was
having major writer's block. Almost like I didn't know where to start the
story. Plus I was student teaching at the time, and my social life dried
up. I hope to start on a brand new idea in the future, but make more of a
short-story out of it.

>What genre do you see it?
Gritty crime drama. Yeah, action here and there, but I see it as a cross
between The Usual Suspects and LA Confidential with a little of any John Woo
movie mixed in for flair.

>And what kind of plot would there be?
A good way to start it out is with a milk run to establish the runner's
professional personalities, plus the fact that they can do they're jobs.
THen go with a run gone bad, and the attempted repair. It's formula, but
there are only seven stories in the world, so sometimes it's hard not to.
Another vain to take is the cat-and-mouse angle. Someone has been imitating
the runners and ruining their reputation. Work is drying up for some
unknown reason. Wackiness ensues. I think anything that ends with
"wackiness ensues" might be a good starting point.

>Would it be one run, or a series of inter-related runs?
Series of inter-related runs. One of the overall themes in cyberpunk/SR
I've noticed is the overwhelming nature of information and the web it
weaves. Read anything by Don DeLillo and you'll see my point. Though not
sci-fi, I've found he has the some of the same information elements, as well
as dealing with the electronic/television/sound bite age. I tend to like
movies that slowly piece together a story around seemingly insignificant
events. Though that may not mesh with your vision, it's my personal taste.
>I'm going to try to start a script. Comments would be appreciated.
Well, good luck. Take try not to get too ruffled.

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Message no. 100
From: Bad Touch Bonanza demonic_cultist@*****.com
Subject: Shadowrun movie
Date: Mon, 22 May 2000 12:20:47 -0700 (PDT)
If it was a television series of some sort, i'd think it would be
interesting if shown in the eyes of a Johnson. Different groups for
different runs, all slightly connected to some grand end. A few teams
botch it, others successful.

My original vision was a mix of Matrix and Mission Impossible, but of
course removing Sheen. heh.



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Message no. 101
From: Rat winterhawk@*********.net
Subject: Shadowrun movie
Date: Mon, 22 May 2000 12:20:40 -0700
> From: Alfredo B Alves <dghost@****.com>

>
> On Mon, 22 May 2000 10:23:02 -0700 Rat <winterhawk@*********.net> writes:
> <SNIP>
> > --Rat, who'd LOVE to see a CGI Lofwyr or Dunkelzahn now that
> > the technology has advanced enough to support making them look
> > realistic...
>
> ... now they can make Dunk and Lowfyr look like they did in life ... ;)
>

Hey, it could happen! :)


> Where is Pedantic (Wo)Man to point out the correct term? (Veristic, I
> think) :)
>

Aw, g'wan. You know what I meant. :)

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Message no. 102
From: kawaii trunks@********.org
Subject: Shadowrun movie
Date: Mon, 22 May 2000 15:41:45 -0400
From: "Bad Touch Bonanza" <demonic_cultist@*****.com>
> If it was a television series of some sort, i'd think it would be
> interesting if shown in the eyes of a Johnson. Different groups for
> different runs, all slightly connected to some grand end. A few teams
> botch it, others successful.
>
> My original vision was a mix of Matrix and Mission Impossible, but of
> course removing Sheen. heh.
>

Sheen? In Matrix? M:I? Did you perhaps see a different movie than I did? =P

Ever lovable and always scrappy,
kawaii
Message no. 103
From: Phil Smith phil_urbanhell@*******.com
Subject: Shadowrun movie
Date: Mon, 22 May 2000 20:03:43 GMT
>From: Bad Touch Bonanza <demonic_cultist@*****.com>
>If it was a television series of some sort, i'd think it would be
>interesting if shown in the eyes of a Johnson. Different groups for
>different runs, all slightly connected to some grand end. A few teams
>botch it, others successful.

Would never work. If the Johnson's life was more interesting than a
runner's I would play one. That and you would never really get to see that
much of the runner's personalitys, not in 45mins.

>My original vision was a mix of Matrix and Mission Impossible, but of
>course removing Sheen. heh.

That would be cool, just give us runners in smaller doses. :)>

Phil
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From: DragonC147@***.com DragonC147@***.com
Subject: Shadowrun movie
Date: Mon, 22 May 2000 16:04:11 EDT
In a message dated 5/22/00 2:13:47 PM Eastern Daylight Time, SHODAN+@***.EDU
writes:

> Raveness Ravensbane <ravenessravensbane@*****.com> writes:
> > I thought the Big Hit and Payback were Shadowrun(ish)
> > movies that I really liked.
>
> Yeah, but neither of those had to really explain the
> awakening. There's just too much background you have to explain
> before the setting makes sense, (megacorps, cyber, the matrix, and the
> rest of the stereotypical cyberpunk trappings, magicians, the fantasy
> races, all the new countries in North America, etc.) so you need to
> cut down on the back story somehow. I think that you may have to take
> a different approach, maybe something like this? (Stealing liberally
> from Strago)
>
> Strago <strago@***.com> writes:
> > FADE IN ON:
> > Black screen. Words appear in the center as if by magic [Really,
> > they just are not on the frames and then they are on the frames]:
> > The Mayan Civilization believed that every five thousand years a
> > new Age of Mankind would begin.
> > 2011 was the year everything started to change. The Fifth Age
> > was ended. Now
> > it is the Sixth Age.
> > The words shimmer and reform and multiply:
> > The year is 2030. [And here's the paragraph with the Magic has
> ^^^^
> (The big change)
>
> > returned . . . speech]
> > The words disappear [Same trick as before].
>
> You'd then go on to tell a pivotal historical story, such as Howling
> Coyote and the Great Ghost Dance. I'd rather avoid the formation of
> the NAN, as it's one of the less plausible parts of SR history, but
> it's the only early major event that comes to mind.
>
> Mark

The history of how the NA continnet is the way it is would not be necessary,
unless that had something to do with the plot of the movie. In the 5th
Element do you remember any explanation of how earth became one continent?
Or is Star Trek how the Federation was formed(there might have been but I'm
not sure)? Magic in movies about Merlin, or in medival movies that have the
mage, they don't explain why magic is there, or how it came about. There
would be no reason to say anything more than Magic has returned to the world.
The Idea of the MIT&M professor would work well, if that fit into the plot.
Let me ask this question; Why do we need to explain "How it came to Pass" to
everyone that watches the movie?

Dragon Claw
Message no. 105
From: Hunter griffinhq@****.com
Subject: Shadowrun movie
Date: Mon, 22 May 2000 16:20:29 -0400
Actually, my choice for a movie would probably be a screenplay of
Preying for Keeps.
It kinda has everything.

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Message no. 106
From: Josh Harrison mataxes@****.net
Subject: Shadowrun movie
Date: Mon, 22 May 2000 17:02:36 -0400
----- Original Message -----
From: Raveness Ravensbane <ravenessravensbane@*****.com>
> I thought the Big Hit and Payback were Shadowrun(ish)
> movies that I really liked.

Haven't seen anybody mention "Strange Days" yet, which also fits the
category. I remember when the first trailers for that came out in the
theatre. It was just Ralph Fiennes against a white backdrop giving his sales
pitch. I knew right away what he was talking about, and I was syked to see
the movie.

Of course there was a stupid frat boy sitting two rows over that blurted out
"what the hell's the movie about?" Really... some people don't read anything
more than the latest issue of Maxim (not that there's anything wrong with
that).

> I agree though about the TV series thing. It would so rock.

It certainly would. Speaking of which, has anybody here seen the new
Renaissance Pictures series "Cleopatra 2525"? It's kinda cyber-punk in
style, and if it finds its audience (and lives up to its potential) it may
open doors for other types of TV science fiction -- the same way Hercules
and Xena (produced by the same company) did for TV fantasy (despite the fact
that most clones of the show suck royally). I don't know about you, but I'd
like to see things other than "Star Trek" or "X-files" type shows (not
that
those are bad -- its just I like a little variety in my TV diet).
Message no. 107
From: Lars Wagner Hansen l-hansen@*****.tele.dk
Subject: Shadowrun movie
Date: Mon, 22 May 2000 23:52:10 +0200
----- Original Message -----
From: Simon and Fiona <sfuller@******.com.au>
To: <shadowrn@*********.com>
Sent: Monday, May 22, 2000 11:11 AM
Subject: Re: Shadowrun movie


<Snip>
> The thing people tell me that they find stupid about Shadowrun is (to
quote
> a girl over in WebRPG) "Goblin Day". Dark cyberpunk future people can
> handle, magic in the future is a bit of a strange concept, because a lot
> have people have compartmentalised minds. Magic, yes. Cyberpunk, yes. But
> together? No. Obviously this isn't my view otherwise I wouldn't be here,
I'm
> just letting you know what other people think.
> Besides, outside of role players and Tolkien fans, nobody knows what an
Ork
> is (which is why they should have been called ogres or something instead).

They were calle ogres in the first promotional material released from Fasa.
The way the explained how magic worked was also very different.

Lars
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Message no. 108
From: Mark A Shieh SHODAN+@***.EDU
Subject: Shadowrun movie
Date: Mon, 22 May 2000 20:00:53 -0400 (EDT)
DragonC147@***.com writes:
> The history of how the NA continnet is the way it is would not be necessary,
> unless that had something to do with the plot of the movie.

True, but then you can't properly develop any Tir or NAN
characters. You can do without it, and it detracts a bit from the
setting. I mention it as one of several things that could use
explaining (and probably the least important of the bunch), and it's
not a problem to gloss over a couple of them.

> In the 5th
> Element do you remember any explanation of how earth became one continent?

5th element wasn't a near-future setting.

> Or is Star Trek how the Federation was formed(there might have been but I'm
> not sure)?

Again, Star Trek is not a near-future setting that is supposed
to draw importance from the similarity to the current world. Also,
The first time I watched star trek, it didn't make any sense. All the
good guys were human except for one guy with pointy ears, and all the
aliens were bad guys.

> Magic in movies about Merlin, or in medival movies that have the
> mage, they don't explain why magic is there, or how it came about.

They don't need to! Merlin is a well-known mythological
figure, in a very well-defined setting. Expecting the audience to
have some previous knowledge of arthurian legend is not the same as
expecting them to understand how things work in the SR world.

Medieval settings have the advantage of past work to draw
upon, and can assume that the average member of the audience has at
least a passing familiarity with Tolkien, Arthurian legends, Greek
mythology, Xena, or something similar. When you have a fantasy or
arthurian setting, it takes much less to explain to the audience what
is going on. You can't just pigeonhole SR as a genre piece and expect
the audience to understand everything. In these movies, the magician
is very limited. I suspect that use of conjuring or astral projection
will not mesh well with the audience's picture of a mage.

> There would be no reason to say anything more than Magic has
> returned to the world.

Sure, if magic is the only new element you're introducing to
the audience. If you're only going to say that Magic has returned,
which might cover the astral plane, sorcery, and conjuring, the
audience is going to get overwhelmed if you try to introduce the other
humanoid races, cyberware, decking, megacorps, and other elements of
cp. One of the themes of the cyberpunk genre is information overload,
and SR is even more of a conglomerated mess than cp. The average
member of the audience, who hasn't played SR, just isn't going to be
able to absorb it all in one movie. You need to find a way to conceal
major aspects of the world during at least the first movie.

> The Idea of the MIT&M professor would work well, if that fit into
> the plot.

I could see this working as well, with a couple of pitfalls
that I'd want to avoid if I were to take this approach.

> Let me ask this question; Why do we need to explain "How it came to
> Pass" to everyone that watches the movie?

You don't. Explaining is a bad way to tell a story. You want
them to experience it, but you can't just dump them in the middle of
a story that follows a shadowrunning team circa 2060.
Take Mission Impossible or Ronin as examples. I consider
these two to be movies that didn't have room for many more plot or
setting elements. I don't believe that you can keep that much action
and plot in a movie, as well as setting it in an unfamiliar setting,
and have it make any sense to an uninformed viewer.
Matrix is another good example. It starts without any
unfamiliar elements, and gradually introduces them without confronting
the audience with a lot of material to digest all at once.

Mark
Message no. 109
From: Dan Grabon djmoose@******.kornet.net
Subject: Shadowrun movie
Date: Tue, 23 May 2000 09:36:14 +0900
On 5/23/00 9:00 AM, Mark A Shieh at SHODAN+@***.EDU wrote:

> You don't. Explaining is a bad way to tell a story. You want
> them to experience it, but you can't just dump them in the middle of
> a story that follows a shadowrunning team circa 2060.
> Take Mission Impossible or Ronin as examples. I consider
> these two to be movies that didn't have room for many more plot or
> setting elements. I don't believe that you can keep that much action
> and plot in a movie, as well as setting it in an unfamiliar setting,
> and have it make any sense to an uninformed viewer.
> Matrix is another good example. It starts without any
> unfamiliar elements, and gradually introduces them without confronting
> the audience with a lot of material to digest all at once.

I think it'll be good to look at the upcoming X-Men movie and see both how
they introduce the setting and how the general audience reacts to it.
There, too, you've got superhuman elements-- a bunch of them-- thrown into a
world similar to our own.

I do think that, depending on the storyline, a brief bit of explanation such
as Strago mentioned would be a good idea. You don't want to overdo it, or
you'll confuse the audience even more. Similarly you don't want to leave it
out, or you get one more movie in the string of lame attempts at
cyberpunk/cyborgs, with the added confusion of elves and dragons showing up
on the screen.

It's doable... but it'd be frighteningly difficult. And think about how
we'd all feel if it sucked. :)

-moose

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Message no. 110
From: Phil pames@*****.net
Subject: Shadowrun movie
Date: Mon, 22 May 2000 19:57:25 -0500
At 05:02 PM 5/22/2000 -0400, Josh Harrison wrote:
>It certainly would. Speaking of which, has anybody here seen the new
>Renaissance Pictures series "Cleopatra 2525"? It's kinda cyber-punk in
>style, and if it finds its audience (and lives up to its potential) it may
>open doors for other types of TV science fiction -- the same way Hercules
>and Xena (produced by the same company) did for TV fantasy (despite the fact
>that most clones of the show suck royally). I don't know about you, but I'd
>like to see things other than "Star Trek" or "X-files" type shows
(not that
>those are bad -- its just I like a little variety in my TV diet).


Unfortunately, the one Sci-fi show this past Season I had great hopes for
isn't being renewed.
If they do run the reruns, try to check out Now and Again on Friday nights.
Incredible show: Main character is an insurance salesman who was hit by a
subway train and had his brain transplanted into the body of an artificial
super soldier. It's hard to describe much past that: Too much is involved,
but you can get a decent synopsis by hunting around on the CBS webpage.

Phil
Message no. 111
From: Rand Ratinac docwagon101@*****.com
Subject: Shadowrun movie
Date: Mon, 22 May 2000 20:02:10 -0700 (PDT)
> .... now they can make Dunk and Lowfyr look like
they did in life ... ;)
>
> Where is Pedantic (Wo)Man to point out the correct
term? (Veristic, I think) :)
> D. Ghost

*Doc' thrusts his/her hips at Al provocatively...then
looks embarrassed...

"Actually, I don't know that word. I only know
verisimilitude."

Doc' blushes and hides...*

====Doc'
(aka Mr. Freaky Big, Super-Dynamic Troll of Tomorrow, aka Doc'booner, aka Doc' Vader)

S.S. f. P.S.C. & D.J.

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Message no. 112
From: Simon and Fiona sfuller@******.com.au
Subject: Shadowrun movie
Date: Tue, 23 May 2000 16:34:21 +1000
-----Original Message-----
From: Strago <strago@***.com>
To: shadowrn@*********.com <shadowrn@*********.com>
Date: Tuesday, May 23, 2000 12:57 AM
Subject: Re: Shadowrun movie


>
>AH, but do you really need to say "I'm an Ork, she's an Ork, he's a Troll?"
No.
>In the film, you just have someone with the size and makeup to look like an
Ork.
>That'll be enough of a surprise all by itself.

No, they don't really need to be explained. As long as you can explain the
magic, people will accept the trolls.

>> The history in Matrix was the linchpin of the whole story. Goblinisation
and
>> the return of magic would just be part of the background. People would be
>> asking why, and would feel robbed if they aren't given a feasible reason
>> (we, on the other hand, are quite happy with "It just did", and then we
dig
>> for clues, something you can't really do in a movie). Unless, of course,
a
>> reason is given, and the whole story is based on someone trying to find
out
>> exactly what happened, and I can't see FASA allowing that.
>
>But how are you going to do that? Have someone wake up after 50 years?
That's
>why the idea of the 1 paragraph idea would work. I don't know. My idea was
so
>much less than this. Just a movie playing in the Shadowrun world.
>
>--
>--Strago

Plenty of people in Sr land would love to have a major look into who made
the magic come back, even the ones that grew up with it.
Message no. 113
From: Patrick Goodman remo@***.net
Subject: Shadowrun movie
Date: Tue, 23 May 2000 07:21:33 -0500
From: Raveness Ravensbane
Sent: Monday, May 22, 2000 10:21 AM

> I agree though about the TV series thing. It would so rock.

You mean, like KINDRED: THE EMBRACED? No, I have every faith that the
television production apparatus would screw it up as thoroughly as they
screwed up what should have been a fairly sure winner with Vampire.

--
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remo@***.net
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Message no. 114
From: Patrick Goodman remo@***.net
Subject: Shadowrun movie
Date: Tue, 23 May 2000 07:31:27 -0500
From: Mark A Shieh
Sent: Monday, May 22, 2000 7:01 PM

> > The history of how the NA continnet is the way it is would not
> > be necessary, unless that had something to do with the plot of
> > the movie.
>
> True, but then you can't properly develop any Tir or NAN
> characters. You can do without it, and it detracts a bit from the
> setting.

Since everyone here seems to be assuming a franchise, and not just one
stand-alone film (and you need to think franchise to get enough of the story
in; the TV series, or at least mini-series, idea has more merit in my mind,
I'm just confident it would get hosed up):

You wouldn't want to incorporate the Tirs or NAN into the initial story. In
a film, you've got a limited time to develop a limited plot that's going to
appeal to the broadest possible audience. This means you have to keep the
new shit to a minimum, and grab them with familiar stuff to start. There
is, by nature, going to be enough new shit even in the familiar parts to get
the weirdness of the Sixth World across with going into the politics of the
Sixth World. I think dealing with the corps is enough to keep a plot going
for a film of this sort.

> I mention it as one of several things that could use
> explaining (and probably the least important of the bunch), and
> it's not a problem to gloss over a couple of them.

I'd posit that it's not a problem to gloss over most of them.

--
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Message no. 115
From: Simon and Fiona sfuller@******.com.au
Subject: Shadowrun movie
Date: Tue, 23 May 2000 22:50:19 +1000
-----Original Message-----
From: Patrick Goodman <remo@***.net>
To: shadowrn@*********.com <shadowrn@*********.com>
Date: Tuesday, May 23, 2000 10:22 PM
Subject: RE: Shadowrun movie


>From: Raveness Ravensbane
>Sent: Monday, May 22, 2000 10:21 AM
>
>> I agree though about the TV series thing. It would so rock.
>
>You mean, like KINDRED: THE EMBRACED? No, I have every faith that the
>television production apparatus would screw it up as thoroughly as they
>screwed up what should have been a fairly sure winner with Vampire.
>
If you ignore that the vampires kept walking around in daylight, that show
was beginning to get good near the end, until the main actor researched his
role a little bit too deeply...
Message no. 116
From: kawaii trunks@********.org
Subject: Shadowrun movie
Date: Tue, 23 May 2000 09:16:12 -0400
From: "Patrick Goodman" <remo@***.net>
> You mean, like KINDRED: THE EMBRACED? No, I have every faith that the
> television production apparatus would screw it up as thoroughly as they
> screwed up what should have been a fairly sure winner with Vampire.
>

One of the major reasons that series bit was due to the lack of funding for
special effects. It isn't much of a Vampire series when you drop three of
the seven major clans and then squander the rest of your sf/x budget to give
everyone the "cool" powers. ;)

Which is why a TV series might be hard for SR. Think of the sf/x budget for
spirits, magical effects, trolls, orks, dragons, etc.

That type of expendature for sf/x is only realistic if it is going to be a
big-screen movie. When/if the big-screen is successful, MAYBE some studio
will be ambitious enough to pick it up for a series, but no studio is going
to take the risk on a series that a few people know about and has such a
huge sf/x budget. =)

Ever lovable and always scrappy,
kawaii
Message no. 117
From: Josh Harrison mataxes@****.net
Subject: Shadowrun movie
Date: Tue, 23 May 2000 12:44:49 -0400
----- Original Message -----
From: kawaii <trunks@********.org>
> Which is why a TV series might be hard for SR. Think of the sf/x budget
for
> spirits, magical effects, trolls, orks, dragons, etc.
>
> That type of expendature for sf/x is only realistic if it is going to be a
> big-screen movie. When/if the big-screen is successful, MAYBE some studio
> will be ambitious enough to pick it up for a series, but no studio is
going
> to take the risk on a series that a few people know about and has such a
> huge sf/x budget. =)

Well, with the computer animation technology available today, the cost of
effects is dropping. Take a look at an effects-intensive series like Xena.
While the digital stuff isn't quite up to the "photo-realistic" quality of
films like Dinosaur (out now, and man is it beautiful) it still looks damn
fine. And a feature film is no guarantee of great effects. Battlefield Earth
(not worth the time or money, IMO) looks like garbage, and they spent
millions on its effects.

It just goes to show that a good artist does good work regardless of the
tools given, and a talentless hack will produce crap even if he has a
top-line effects program.

-- Josh
Message no. 118
From: Paul J. Adam ShadowRN@********.demon.co.uk
Subject: Shadowrun movie
Date: Tue, 23 May 2000 17:39:58 +0100
In article <20000522152126.13777.qmail@*******.mail.yahoo.com>, Raveness
Ravensbane <ravenessravensbane@*****.com> writes
>I thought the Big Hit and Payback were Shadowrun(ish)
>movies that I really liked.

"Ronin" is a superb non-Awakened Shadowrun movie. I like "Heat" for a
distinct SR feel. too.


--
Paul J. Adam
Message no. 119
From: dbuehrer@******.carl.org dbuehrer@******.carl.org
Subject: Shadowrun movie
Date: Tue, 23 May 2000 11:18:23 -0600
Josh Harrison wrote:

>Well, with the computer animation technology available today, the cost of
>effects is dropping. Take a look at an effects-intensive series like Xena.
>While the digital stuff isn't quite up to the "photo-realistic" quality of
>films like Dinosaur (out now, and man is it beautiful) it still looks damn
>fine. And a feature film is no guarantee of great effects. Battlefield Earth
>(not worth the time or money, IMO) looks like garbage, and they spent
>millions on its effects.
>
>It just goes to show that a good artist does good work regardless of the
>tools given, and a talentless hack will produce crap even if he has a
>top-line effects program.

My vote would be for Aardman Animations to do the Shadowrun movie :)

To Life,
-Graht
http://www.users.uswest.net/~abaker3
--
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Message no. 120
From: Gordon McCormick gmcc@*********.ie
Subject: Shadowrun movie
Date: Tue, 23 May 2000 18:21:58 +0100
On Tue, May 23, 2000 at 11:18:23AM -0600, dbuehrer@******.carl.org wrote:
>
> My vote would be for Aardman Animations to do the Shadowrun movie :)

Does anyone have Shadowrun stats for The Wrong Trousers? Preferably
2nd Ed, but 3rd Ed will be fine too. :)

gordon
Message no. 121
From: Phil Smith phil_urbanhell@*******.com
Subject: Shadowrun movie
Date: Tue, 23 May 2000 17:36:40 GMT
>From: Mark A Shieh <SHODAN+@***.EDU>
<SNIP>
>The average
>member of the audience, who hasn't played SR, just isn't going to be
>able to absorb it all in one movie.

I think that if you do just give the audience the world and let them deal
with it they will do just fine; I watched Face/Off today and where the
deoctor is talking about grafting Cage's character's face onto Travolta's
character's skull it for one second passed through my mind that it my just
be the future what with the higher levels of technology. This thought
returned in the prison sequences, I quickly shook off these thoughts,
decided not to write to the director demanding a description of the world,
sat back and enjoyed the film.:)>

Granted there is a lot more to explain in SR but I don't think the audience
will care that much about it for as long as the effects are cool and the
violence comes regularly.

> > The Idea of the MIT&M professor would work well, if that fit into
> > the plot.
>
> I could see this working as well, with a couple of pitfalls
>that I'd want to avoid if I were to take this approach.

That could work but again, there is no great need to point out what has
chaned. Anoter similar device could be ocasionally showing news reports;
that's how Starship Troopers did it.

>Explaining is a bad way to tell a story. You want
>them to experience it, but you can't just dump them in the middle of
>a story that follows a shadowrunning team circa 2060.

You can, just be sure that when the adrenaline wears off you are ready with
some degree of an explanation.

Phil
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Message no. 122
From: Strago strago@***.com
Subject: Shadowrun movie
Date: Tue, 23 May 2000 14:10:19 -0400
dbuehrer@******.carl.org wrote:

> Josh Harrison wrote:
>
> >Well, with the computer animation technology available today, the cost of
> >effects is dropping. Take a look at an effects-intensive series like Xena.
> >While the digital stuff isn't quite up to the "photo-realistic" quality
of
> >films like Dinosaur (out now, and man is it beautiful) it still looks damn
> >fine. And a feature film is no guarantee of great effects. Battlefield Earth
> >(not worth the time or money, IMO) looks like garbage, and they spent
> >millions on its effects.
> >
> >It just goes to show that a good artist does good work regardless of the
> >tools given, and a talentless hack will produce crap even if he has a
> >top-line effects program.
>
> My vote would be for Aardman Animations to do the Shadowrun movie :)
>

Not Industrial Light & Magic? Aren't they the most cutting-edge special effects
group out there? Or am I just thinking 20 years in the past? As long as you keep
George Lucas away from the script, that is...

>
> To Life,
> -Graht
> http://www.users.uswest.net/~abaker3
> --
> "Warm nights, good food, kindred spirits....great life!"

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Message no. 123
From: Strago strago@***.com
Subject: Shadowrun movie
Date: Tue, 23 May 2000 14:16:59 -0400
Patrick Goodman wrote:

> <SNIP>
> Since everyone here seems to be assuming a franchise, and not just one
> stand-alone film (and you need to think franchise to get enough of the story
> in; the TV series, or at least mini-series, idea has more merit in my mind,
> I'm just confident it would get hosed up):
>

I was actually thinking about a stand-alone movie when I proposed the idea...

>
> You wouldn't want to incorporate the Tirs or NAN into the initial story. In
> a film, you've got a limited time to develop a limited plot that's going to
> appeal to the broadest possible audience. This means you have to keep the
> new shit to a minimum, and grab them with familiar stuff to start. There
> is, by nature, going to be enough new shit even in the familiar parts to get
> the weirdness of the Sixth World across with going into the politics of the
> Sixth World. I think dealing with the corps is enough to keep a plot going
> for a film of this sort.
>

I agree. In the intro (if one was decided on), the focus would be on the corps,
and the shadowrunners they spawned. The focus of the game, after all (for better
or worse, but I don't want to start that debate again :^)), is on running the
shadows, not the birth of the NAN or the Tirs or the Horrors. The movie should
showcase shadowrunning. It would be a lot easier (I'm sure) to convince the DLOH
and FASA to support the movie if the focus of the game and the focus of the
movie were the same. Who knows? It might just give the game publicity, and draw
some more converts to the game. And THAT, I can almost guarantee, would please
FASA tremendously.

> > I mention it as one of several things that could use
> > explaining (and probably the least important of the bunch), and
> > it's not a problem to gloss over a couple of them.
>
> I'd posit that it's not a problem to gloss over most of them.
>

Thank you. Maybe some people demand explanations. But the majority can "suspend
their disbelief" and just flow with the story. Look at the Matrix. There were a
bunch of people who didn't like the premise of using humans to power the
machines, but most people who liked the movie could have cared less.


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Message no. 124
From: dbuehrer@******.carl.org dbuehrer@******.carl.org
Subject: Shadowrun movie
Date: Tue, 23 May 2000 12:20:30 -0600
Strago wrote:
>dbuehrer@******.carl.org wrote:
> >
> > My vote would be for Aardman Animations to do the Shadowrun movie :)
> >
>Not Industrial Light & Magic? Aren't they the most cutting-edge special
>effects
>group out there? Or am I just thinking 20 years in the past? As long as
>you keep
>George Lucas away from the script, that is...

Have you never seen an Aardman movie? <boggle> :)

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Message no. 125
From: kawaii trunks@********.org
Subject: Shadowrun movie
Date: Tue, 23 May 2000 14:35:12 -0400
From: <dbuehrer@******.carl.org>
Sent: Tuesday, May 23, 2000 2:20 PM
> Strago wrote:
> >dbuehrer@******.carl.org wrote:
> > >
> > > My vote would be for Aardman Animations to do the Shadowrun movie :)
> > >
> >Not Industrial Light & Magic? Aren't they the most cutting-edge special
> >effects
> >group out there? Or am I just thinking 20 years in the past? As long as
> >you keep
> >George Lucas away from the script, that is...
>
> Have you never seen an Aardman movie? <boggle> :)
>

Aardman? Never heard of 'im. ;)

Ever lovable and always scrappy,
kawaii
Message no. 126
From: Gurth gurth@******.nl
Subject: Shadowrun movie
Date: Tue, 23 May 2000 21:23:23 +0200
According to Gordon McCormick, at 18:21 on 23 May 00, the word on the
street was...

> Does anyone have Shadowrun stats for The Wrong Trousers? Preferably
> 2nd Ed, but 3rd Ed will be fine too. :)

You'd have to make them a drone, I think, with enough Load rating to
support a human. And some kind of suction system that allows them to walk
on walls and ceilings. The trouble is that this is impossible to build
with Rigger 2 :(

Oh, and let's not forget the disguise kit. Red rubber glove: adds +10 to
the TN for anyone to spot you're really a penguin.

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Message no. 127
From: Phil Smith phil_urbanhell@*******.com
Subject: Shadowrun movie
Date: Tue, 23 May 2000 20:15:21 GMT
>From: "Paul J. Adam" <ShadowRN@********.demon.co.uk>
>"Ronin" is a superb non-Awakened Shadowrun movie. I like "Heat"
for a
>distinct SR feel. too.

The Usual Suspects, that is basicly SR 60-something years early. Con Air
and Face/Off are also great sources of SR ideas. :)>

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Message no. 128
From: Manolis Skoulikas great_worm@*****.com
Subject: Shadowrun movie
Date: Wed, 24 May 2000 00:39:57 +0300
Phil Smith wrote:
>
> >From: "Paul J. Adam" <ShadowRN@********.demon.co.uk>
> >"Ronin" is a superb non-Awakened Shadowrun movie. I like
"Heat" for a
> >distinct SR feel. too.
>
> The Usual Suspects, that is basicly SR 60-something years early. Con Air
> and Face/Off are also great sources of SR ideas. :)>
>
I once made an SR story out of the film "Maverick".

I was starting a new group of three mages.
The "act one: they meet" gig was a shadowrun when they setrved as
bodyguards that had to make sure no magic tricks were taking place on a
high stakes poker game. It was the finals and four poker finalists were
playing endgame in a suborbital flight (so that no magic would be
possible whatsoever in the stratosphere) The players were three of the
four mage bodyguards for the poker players, just taking occasional
astral peeks in what seemed like a milk run.Then the sherif pulled a
quick one on them at 75000 feet and they had to get the money back or
they would be liable to pay it themselves.
If nothing else, 120 mil nuyen makes you jump from a plane without a
chute and proceed to track the lying sheriff through the wild
rainforests of awakened Amazonia!

At first they thought I was kidding, but when I didn't change my facial
expression, they blanched, gulped and started taking the pain...

the wiz
Message no. 129
From: Manolis Skoulikas great_worm@*****.com
Subject: Shadowrun movie
Date: Wed, 24 May 2000 00:40:03 +0300
"Johny Mnemonic" was an alla out gibson cyberpunk SR like film.
Its special effects were minimal (moneywise) but very effective IMHO.
the plot was good but the background was way too light.
The resolution of the world problems with one shadowrun was very
unbelievable
Still it was a very good film.

What would I change?

Make the world background more complex (but not complex enough for the
public to lose interest)
Leave the end hanging and set the way for a sequel or a saga (like SW
trilogy) where the good guys triumph but only after they try really
hard.

What makes for a good rpg adventure makes for a good film,
storywise.(IMHO always)

the wiz
Message no. 130
From: Patrick Goodman remo@***.net
Subject: Shadowrun movie
Date: Tue, 23 May 2000 21:19:48 -0500
From: Simon and Fiona
Sent: Tuesday, May 23, 2000 7:50 AM

> >> I agree though about the TV series thing. It would so rock.
> >
> >You mean, like KINDRED: THE EMBRACED? No, I have every faith that
> >the television production apparatus would screw it up as thoroughly
> >as they screwed up what should have been a fairly sure winner with
> >Vampire.
>
> If you ignore that the vampires kept walking around in daylight...

Not something that actually bothered me; there's been both mythological and
dramatic precedent for that. Hell, I've used that myself as a GM, to great
effect. That wasn't the problem with KINDRED, in my opinion.

The problem, again IMO, was that the story sucked rat juice through a straw.
The writing staff didn't know what they had, or what to do with what they
had, so they screwed it up. They turned it, in the words of one viewer,
into MELROSE PLACE with fangs. While the World of Darkness is not without
its soap opera qualities, the story should have been a little more...spooky,
I guess is the word I'm looking for.

> ...that show was beginning to get good near the end, until the
> main actor researched his role a little bit too deeply...

I wasn't aware of this. What, exactly, is this all about?

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Message no. 131
From: Jkmiland@***.com Jkmiland@***.com
Subject: Shadowrun movie
Date: Tue, 23 May 2000 22:21:27 EDT
In a message dated 5/23/00 7:20:44 PM Pacific Daylight Time, remo@***.net
writes:

> > ...that show was beginning to get good near the end, until the
> > main actor researched his role a little bit too deeply...
>
> I wasn't aware of this. What, exactly, is this all about?

He died in a motorcycle accident in France, unfortunately.
Message no. 132
From: Patrick Goodman remo@***.net
Subject: Shadowrun movie
Date: Tue, 23 May 2000 21:40:12 -0500
From: kawaii
Sent: Tuesday, May 23, 2000 8:16 AM

> > You mean, like KINDRED: THE EMBRACED?
>
> One of the major reasons that series bit was due to the lack of
> funding for special effects. It isn't much of a Vampire series
> when you drop three of the seven major clans and then squander
> the rest of your sf/x budget to give everyone the "cool" powers. ;)

Eh, I might give that one too you. I don't think it's the biggest problem
that show had, by any means.

> Which is why a TV series might be hard for SR. Think of the sf/x
> budget for spirits, magical effects, trolls, orks, dragons, etc.

Look at what BABYLON 5 did with a shoestring budget, however. It wouldn't
be difficult at all to make the Sixth World on TV.

> That type of expendature for sf/x is only realistic if it is going
> to be a big-screen movie.

I disagree completely. First, I don't think it would be a tremendous
outlay, as these things go. B5 was done for a tick over a million an
episode, if I remember what JMS said correctly. That's peanuts for an FX
heavy show like that. I don't think an SR series would have to be that
expensive, frankly, though there would be the occasional FX heavy story that
would cost a little more.

My big concern is with the story...and that's generally where the TV
production apparatus will hose it big time. Very few shows actually get
decent writing without interference. B5 was lucky in that regard, but most
aren't.

> ... no studio is going to take the risk on a series that a few
> people know about and has such a huge sf/x budget. =)

They took a chance with B5. They took a chance with the X-FILES. I don't
see why they wouldn't with this.

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Message no. 133
From: Simon and Fiona sfuller@******.com.au
Subject: Shadowrun movie
Date: Wed, 24 May 2000 13:15:04 +1000
-----Original Message-----
From: Patrick Goodman <remo@***.net>
To: shadowrn@*********.com <shadowrn@*********.com>
Date: Wednesday, May 24, 2000 12:40 PM
Subject: RE: Shadowrun movie



>> Which is why a TV series might be hard for SR. Think of the sf/x
>> budget for spirits, magical effects, trolls, orks, dragons, etc.
>
>Look at what BABYLON 5 did with a shoestring budget, however. It wouldn't
>be difficult at all to make the Sixth World on TV.
>
I think you're better off comparing the would-be show to something like
Stargate SG-1.
Day to day effects would be a bit of make up for orks and elves, a few
clever flashes for magic, and 3-d tech effects. Dwarfs would probably
(unfortunately) be played by midgets, and trolls are rare enough to be men
in animatronic puppet suits superimposed onto the scene, not in every
episode. Dragons aren't really a problem, most of the time they'd be laying
around in a corner office somewhere, animatronics would handle that.
Occasionally they woyuld be flying around and landing in the street, but not
that often I hope.
In all, you don't need an effects heavy show, just a little every episode
Message no. 134
From: Patrick Goodman remo@***.net
Subject: Shadowrun movie
Date: Tue, 23 May 2000 22:02:14 -0500
From: Jkmiland@***.com
Sent: Tuesday, May 23, 2000 9:21 PM

> > > ...that show was beginning to get good near the end,
> > >until the main actor researched his role a little bit
> > >too deeply...
> >
> > I wasn't aware of this. What, exactly, is this all about?
>
> He died in a motorcycle accident in France, unfortunately.

Oh, I was aware of that. I was curious what he meant by "researched his
role...too deeply."

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Message no. 135
From: Alfredo B Alves dghost@****.com
Subject: Shadowrun movie
Date: Tue, 23 May 2000 22:19:13 -0500
On Tue, 23 May 2000 21:19:48 -0500 "Patrick Goodman" <remo@***.net>
writes:
<SNIP>
> Not something that actually bothered me; there's been both
> mythological and
> dramatic precedent for that. Hell, I've used that myself as a GM,
> to great
> effect. That wasn't the problem with KINDRED, in my opinion.
>
> The problem, again IMO, was that the story sucked rat juice through
> a straw.
> The writing staff didn't know what they had, or what to do with what
> they
> had, so they screwed it up. They turned it, in the words of one
> viewer,
> into MELROSE PLACE with fangs. While the World of Darkness is not
> without
> its soap opera qualities, the story should have been a little
> more...spooky,
> I guess is the word I'm looking for.
<SNIP>

Saying Kindred: The Embrace was like Melrose Place is an insult to
Melrose Place (and I'm no fan of Melrose Place ;) ). I really liked the
daughter of the main character (I think he was the main character). K:tE
was bad and didn't really have an excuse to be. I would've loved to have
seen what it would've been like if it was handled better. :)

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Message no. 136
From: Jkmiland@***.com Jkmiland@***.com
Subject: Shadowrun movie
Date: Tue, 23 May 2000 23:04:18 EDT
In a message dated 5/23/00 8:02:59 PM Pacific Daylight Time, remo@***.net
writes:

> > He died in a motorcycle accident in France, unfortunately.
>
> Oh, I was aware of that. I was curious what he meant by "researched his
> role...too deeply."

That would be it. He died--thereby going too far in researching what it's
like to be undead... A bad pun, I admit, and I'm glad I didn't make it. :P
BTW, I was wrong initially. He didn't die in France, but in the UK.
Message no. 137
From: Alfredo B Alves dghost@****.com
Subject: Shadowrun movie
Date: Tue, 23 May 2000 22:26:34 -0500
On Wed, 24 May 2000 13:15:04 +1000 "Simon and Fiona"
<sfuller@******.com.au> writes:
<SNIP>
> I think you're better off comparing the would-be show to something
> like
> Stargate SG-1.
> Day to day effects would be a bit of make up for orks and elves, a
> few
> clever flashes for magic, and 3-d tech effects. Dwarfs would
> probably
> (unfortunately) be played by midgets, and trolls are rare enough to
> be men
> in animatronic puppet suits superimposed onto the scene, not in
> every
> episode. Dragons aren't really a problem, most of the time they'd be
> laying
> around in a corner office somewhere, animatronics would handle that.
> Occasionally they woyuld be flying around and landing in the street,
> but not
> that often I hope.
> In all, you don't need an effects heavy show, just a little every
> episode

Hey ... what kind of budget does Farscape use? or Lexx? or Good versus
Evil? (Can anybody tell How I spend my Fridays? ;) )

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Message no. 138
From: Ahrain Ahrain_Drigar@*******.com
Subject: Shadowrun movie
Date: Wed, 24 May 2000 01:44:30 -0400
----- Original Message -----
From: Patrick Goodman <remo@***.net>
Subject: RE: Shadowrun movie


> From: Simon and Fiona
> Sent: Tuesday, May 23, 2000 7:50 AM
>
> > >> I agree though about the TV series thing. It would so rock.
> > >
> > >You mean, like KINDRED: THE EMBRACED? No, I have every faith that
> > >the television production apparatus would screw it up as thoroughly
> > >as they screwed up what should have been a fairly sure winner with
> > >Vampire.

> The problem, again IMO, was that the story sucked rat juice through a
straw.
> The writing staff didn't know what they had, or what to do with what they
> had, so they screwed it up. They turned it, in the words of one viewer,
> into MELROSE PLACE with fangs. While the World of Darkness is not without
> its soap opera qualities, the story should have been a little
more...spooky,
> I guess is the word I'm looking for.
>

IIRC, that is exactly the reason Mark Rein-hagen <sp?> told the staff where
to shove their funding and story. K:tE was his baby and he had seen it
butchered enough as it was.

I also heard word (a long time ago, so the word has disappeared) that
Werewolf was going to be attempted. The last I heard though no producer
wanted to release that much creative license to the originator. Most just
want to make into what they think is cool, weather the public agrees or not.

Point of note on how writer and producers mess with things.
A friend of mine was a puppeteer on Muppets from Space, and IIRC he said
they had 5!!! DIFFERENT scripts that they went through. DURING the actual
filming!! They would break for the day and wake up the next morning to an
entirely new scene and script.

To chaotic for my blood. No wonder why people just sell ideas and leave
then be after that.

Ahrain
Message no. 139
From: Jkmiland@***.com Jkmiland@***.com
Subject: Shadowrun movie
Date: Wed, 24 May 2000 01:52:02 EDT
In a message dated 5/23/00 10:44:35 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
Ahrain_Drigar@*******.com writes:

> Point of note on how writer and producers mess with things.
> A friend of mine was a puppeteer on Muppets from Space, and IIRC he said
> they had 5!!! DIFFERENT scripts that they went through. DURING the actual
> filming!! They would break for the day and wake up the next morning to an
> entirely new scene and script.

That's nothing. William Gibson wrote the original script for Alien 3. What
we saw was what was left after thirty revisions--and only 2 things from
Gibson's script remained in the new movie (bar codes on the prisoners, and
the dog-alien-things).
Message no. 140
From: Gurth gurth@******.nl
Subject: Shadowrun movie
Date: Wed, 24 May 2000 12:47:05 +0200
According to Manolis Skoulikas, at 0:40 on 24 May 00, the word on the
street was...

> "Johny Mnemonic" was an alla out gibson cyberpunk SR like film.
> Its special effects were minimal (moneywise) but very effective IMHO.
> the plot was good but the background was way too light.
> The resolution of the world problems with one shadowrun was very
> unbelievable
> Still it was a very good film.

Good thing I wasn't drinking anything while reading this post, else I'd
have to bill you for having my computer cleaned :)

> What would I change?

The whole movie would be a good start...

Well, that's not entirely true. The movie is okay in a Hollywood kind of
way, but only as long as you try to prevent yourself from making _any_
connection to the short story.

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Message no. 141
From: Gordon McCormick gmcc@*********.ie
Subject: Shadowrun movie
Date: Wed, 24 May 2000 12:02:07 +0100
On Tue, May 23, 2000 at 09:23:23PM +0200, Gurth wrote:
> According to Gordon McCormick, at 18:21 on 23 May 00, the word on the
> street was...
>
> > Does anyone have Shadowrun stats for The Wrong Trousers? Preferably
> > 2nd Ed, but 3rd Ed will be fine too. :)
>
> You'd have to make them a drone, I think, with enough Load rating to
> support a human. And some kind of suction system that allows them to walk
> on walls and ceilings. The trouble is that this is impossible to build
> with Rigger 2 :(

Hopefully Rigger 3 will help with this - also the Rocket ship and the car...

> Oh, and let's not forget the disguise kit. Red rubber glove: adds +10 to
> the TN for anyone to spot you're really a penguin.

:)

Hmmm, I wonder what effects moon cheese would have...

I love this list, I actually got an answer :)

gordon
Message no. 142
From: Simon and Fiona sfuller@******.com.au
Subject: Shadowrun movie
Date: Wed, 24 May 2000 21:35:34 +1000
-----Original Message-----
From: Gurth <gurth@******.nl>
To: shadowrn@*********.com <shadowrn@*********.com>
Date: Wednesday, May 24, 2000 8:44 PM
Subject: Re: Shadowrun movie



>> "Johny Mnemonic" was an alla out gibson cyberpunk SR like film.
> Its special effects were minimal (moneywise) but very effective IMHO.
> the plot was good but the background was way too light.
>> The resolution of the world problems with one shadowrun was very
> unbelievable
>> Still it was a very good film.

>Good thing I wasn't drinking anything while reading this post, else I'd
>have to bill you for having my computer cleaned :)


Manolis and I are the entire world wide Johnny Mnemonic fan club :?)
Message no. 143
From: Dennis Steinmeijer dv8@********.nl
Subject: Shadowrun movie
Date: Wed, 24 May 2000 13:32:20 +0200
From: "Simon and Fiona" <sfuller@******.com.au>
>
> Manolis and I are the entire world wide Johnny Mnemonic fan club :?)

You can definitely count me in!

Dv8

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- John Milton, Paradise Lost
Message no. 144
From: Dennis Steinmeijer dv8@********.nl
Subject: Shadowrun movie
Date: Wed, 24 May 2000 13:32:30 +0200
From: "Simon and Fiona" <sfuller@******.com.au>
>
> Manolis and I are the entire world wide Johnny Mnemonic fan club :?)

You can definitely count me in!

DV8

"Abashed the Devil stood, and felt how awful Goodness is,..."
- John Milton, Paradise Lost
Message no. 145
From: Dennis Steinmeijer dv8@********.nl
Subject: Shadowrun movie
Date: Wed, 24 May 2000 13:32:32 +0200
From: "Simon and Fiona" <sfuller@******.com.au>
>
> Manolis and I are the entire world wide Johnny Mnemonic fan club :?)

You can definitely count me in!

DV8

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Message no. 146
From: Raveness Ravensbane ravenessravensbane@*****.com
Subject: Shadowrun movie
Date: Wed, 24 May 2000 06:04:33 -0700 (PDT)
> > "Johny Mnemonic" was an alla out gibson cyberpunk
> SR like film.
> > Its special effects were minimal (moneywise) but
> very effective IMHO.
> > the plot was good but the background was way too
> light.
> > The resolution of the world problems with one
> shadowrun was very
> > unbelievable
> > Still it was a very good film.
>
> Good thing I wasn't drinking anything while reading
> this post, else I'd
> have to bill you for having my computer cleaned :)
>
> > What would I change?
>
> The whole movie would be a good start...
>
> Well, that's not entirely true. The movie is okay in
> a Hollywood kind of
> way, but only as long as you try to prevent yourself
> from making _any_
> connection to the short story.
>
> --
> Gurth@******.nl -

Chris made me read that story before letting me play
Shadowrun...of course I was not really getting into
the game at the time when he was trying to explain it
all to me. But I'd never really been exposed to cyber
punk at the time...It was in a whole collection of
short (cyberpunkish) stories that I ended up reading
the whole book then I was psyched about playing
SR...which turned into a minor obsession. *shrug*
What's a girl to do? It's either go all out on SR &
roleplaying in general or Gone With the Wind.

====~Raveness

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Message no. 147
From: Phil Smith phil_urbanhell@*******.com
Subject: Shadowrun movie
Date: Wed, 24 May 2000 17:10:27 GMT
>From: Manolis Skoulikas <great_worm@*****.com>
>I once made an SR story out of the film "Maverick".

I once ripped off the film Fallen for a run; one of the characters was
stalked by a powerful free spirit with the posession power. :)>

Phil
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Message no. 148
From: Phil Smith phil_urbanhell@*******.com
Subject: Shadowrun movie
Date: Wed, 24 May 2000 17:18:12 GMT
>From: Manolis Skoulikas <great_worm@*****.com>
>What would I change?
>
>Make the world background more complex (but not complex enough for the
>public to lose interest)

Just don't involve what is too complecated to involve. Magic is something
you can't really escape but most other facrors can be forgotten or pushed
into the background. A lot of things don't need it either; if you showed a
decker jacking in and his icon on the matrix everyone would work out what
was happening, same with riggers.

At the start you could just have the guards watching the trid, an attractive
ork reporter comes onto the screen. "Hi, I'm Rachel Turner reporting for
INN in the elven nation of Tir Taingire where the great drgaon Lofwir is
reported to have stormed out of a council meeting earlier today..."

You can cover the world without bogging the audience down.

Phil
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Message no. 149
From: Gurth gurth@******.nl
Subject: Shadowrun movie
Date: Wed, 24 May 2000 19:26:29 +0200
According to Gordon McCormick, at 12:02 on 24 May 00, the word on the
street was...

> > You'd have to make them a drone, I think, with enough Load rating to
> > support a human. And some kind of suction system that allows them to walk
> > on walls and ceilings. The trouble is that this is impossible to build
> > with Rigger 2 :(
>
> Hopefully Rigger 3 will help with this - also the Rocket ship and the car...

I doubt it, as I don't think FASA would change the vehicle design rules to
such an extent that stats would have to be recalculated again.

> Hmmm, I wonder what effects moon cheese would have...

Not much, I'd say, except to make the coin-operated oven-type-creature
angry at you.

> I love this list, I actually got an answer :)

Wallace and Gromit rule :)

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Incubated into the First Church of the Sqooshy Ball, 21-05-1998

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