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Message no. 1
From: Aristotle aristotle@********.net
Subject: Shadowrun Periodical?
Date: Tue, 18 May 1999 07:29:13 -0400
A few days ago I was leafing through some Shadowrun products attempting
to decide what I wanted to purchase. I came across an add somewhere
along the line for a magazine that dealt heavily in Shadowrun and Fasa
Game materials. My rather bad memory seems to recall the add in a more
recent book. Does a magazine (maybe published by Fasa?) exist? If so is
it possible to subscribe?

Thank you in advance for your help,

--Aristotle
"This is our world now... the world of the electron and the switch, the
beauty of the baud." -- The Mentor, Hacker's Manifesto
Message no. 2
From: Adam J adamj@*********.html.com
Subject: Shadowrun Periodical?
Date: Tue, 18 May 1999 05:51:59 -0600
At 07:29 5/18/99 -0400, Aristotle wrote:
>A few days ago I was leafing through some Shadowrun products attempting
>to decide what I wanted to purchase. I came across an add somewhere
>along the line for a magazine that dealt heavily in Shadowrun and Fasa
>Game materials. My rather bad memory seems to recall the add in a more
>recent book. Does a magazine (maybe published by Fasa?) exist? If so is
>it possible to subscribe?

There have been two "Real" magazines for Shadowrun - KA*GE, which ran off
with alot of peoples money awhile back, and FASA stripped them of their
license, and Shadowland, which was run by Swords of the Knight up until
last year, when SotK decided to gracefully (AFAIK) go out of business. The
editor (Chris Hussey) was thinking about keeping it going in some form or
another, but that obviously hasn't happened.

<plug> For now, TSS is your best alternative ;-)
http://shadowrun.html.com/tss </plug>

Adam
.. and yes, #10 is coming soon!
< http://shadowrun.html.com/tss / adamj@*********.html.com / ICQ# 2350330 >
Message no. 3
From: Richard Tomasso richard@****.com
Subject: Shadowrun Periodical?
Date: Tue, 18 May 1999 15:03:19 -0400 (EDT)
Aristotle wrote:
> A few days ago I was leafing through some Shadowrun products attempting
> to decide what I wanted to purchase. I came across an add somewhere
> along the line for a magazine that dealt heavily in Shadowrun and Fasa
> Game materials. My rather bad memory seems to recall the add in a more
> recent book. Does a magazine (maybe published by Fasa?) exist? If so is
> it possible to subscribe?

It was probably a reference to KAGE or maybe Shadowland, both of which
are now defunct.
Message no. 4
From: Gurth gurth@******.nl
Subject: Shadowrun Periodical?
Date: Wed, 19 May 1999 11:35:23 +0200
According to Aristotle, at 7:29 on 18 May 99, the word on
the street was...

> A few days ago I was leafing through some Shadowrun products attempting
> to decide what I wanted to purchase. I came across an add somewhere
> along the line for a magazine that dealt heavily in Shadowrun and Fasa
> Game materials. My rather bad memory seems to recall the add in a more
> recent book. Does a magazine (maybe published by Fasa?) exist? If so is
> it possible to subscribe?

Are you referring to the magazine called Shadowland, maybe? That doesn't
exist anymore -- its last issue was #7 published in October 1997, shortly
before the publisher decided to stop trading -- and so subscribing isn't
possible anymore. To be honest, I never really found it a particularly
good magazine...

It could also be you're talking about Ka*Ge, which was published from
October 1991 (actually there was an issue 0 before this, but it doesn't
seem to have a date on it) to "First Quarter" 1994, after which the people
publishing it apparently disappeared with plenty of money paid to them by
the subscribers.

So the short answer would be: no, you can't subscribe to a Shadowrun-
related magazine ATM. You can check out The Shadowrun Supplemental,
though.

--
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Message no. 5
From: Tarek Okail Tarek_Okail@**********.com
Subject: Shadowrun Periodical?
Date: Wed, 19 May 1999 14:24:20 -0400
>There have been two "Real" magazines for Shadowrun - KA*GE,
>which ran off with alot of peoples money awhile back, and FASA
>stripped them of their license...

It's a lot more complicated than that. If I recall correctly,
KA*GE's founder ran into financial trouble and wanted out, so he
tried to sell the company to one of the staff. Naturally, when some-
thing like this happens, the lawyers get involved. They held up the
deal for something like six months before they decided it was okay.
During that time, of course, no magazines were being printed. A lot
of complaints came in to FASA, and FASA reacted. Right about the time
that KA*GE put its last two issues out, FASA went to them and said
"You're not supporting our product in the manner outlined in your
contract," and pulled their license.
I don't recall whether or not someone actually embezzled money
from AWOL publications, but I do recall something being said along
those lines. My memory isn't the best, though.

Shadowmage
Message no. 6
From: Wordman wordman@*******.com
Subject: Shadowrun Periodical?
Date: Wed, 19 May 1999 22:50:57 -0400
Gurth wrote:
> It could also be you're talking about Ka*Ge, which was published from
> October 1991 (actually there was an issue 0 before this, but it doesn't
> seem to have a date on it) to "First Quarter" 1994, after which the people
> publishing it apparently disappeared with plenty of money paid to them by
> the subscribers.

Does anyone have any idea who owns the contents of KaGe? The issues say "All
materials in Ka*ge C 199X AWOL productions and FASA corporation."

If I wanted to, say, generate PDF versions of Ka*ge, who would send the hit
squad after me?

More to the point, does anyone have any clue about who might own the
electronic source for Ka*Ge? I might be interested in buying it.

Wordman
Message no. 7
From: Gurth gurth@******.nl
Subject: Shadowrun Periodical?
Date: Thu, 20 May 1999 10:59:37 +0200
According to Wordman, at 22:50 on 19 May 99, the word on
the street was...

> Does anyone have any idea who owns the contents of KaGe? The issues say "All
> materials in Ka*ge C 199X AWOL productions and FASA corporation."
>
> If I wanted to, say, generate PDF versions of Ka*ge, who would send the hit
> squad after me?

FASA, I would guess. The bit you quoted says they own the rights to the
material; they may not own the actual magazine (but I could be wrong here -
- US copyright law isn't my strong point :) but they at least own the
images and the text of the articles printed in Ka*Ge.

> More to the point, does anyone have any clue about who might own the
> electronic source for Ka*Ge? I might be interested in buying it.

No idea, but you could start by contacting FASA. Since they own (part of?)
the rights, they should be able to either give you an answer, or point you
to someone else you can ask.

I wouldn't mind seeing PDFed versions of Ka*Ge, even though I already own
photocopies of each issue; there's some cool material in there that is ATM
"lost" to most players.

--
Gurth@******.nl - http://www.xs4all.nl/~gurth/index.html
I can't help it...
-> NERPS Project Leader * ShadowRN GridSec * Unofficial Shadowrun Guru <-
->The Plastic Warriors Page: http://shadowrun.html.com/plasticwarriors/<-
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Message no. 8
From: Rakshasa Rakshasa@******.net
Subject: Shadowrun Periodical?
Date: Thu, 20 May 1999 14:11:41 -0500
I'm not sure who owns the rights, but since I'm here in Columbia, Missouri
(where most of the original folks were "based"), I'll try to do some poking
around, but, with Columbia being a "transitory" college town, I'm not sure how
much I'll actually discover. Worth a shot, I suppose.

Rakshasa

----- Original Message -----
From: Wordman <wordman@*******.com>
To: <shadowrn@*********.org>

> Does anyone have any idea who owns the contents of KaGe? The issues say "All
> materials in Ka*ge C 199X AWOL productions and FASA corporation."
>
> If I wanted to, say, generate PDF versions of Ka*ge, who would send the hit
> squad after me?
>
> More to the point, does anyone have any clue about who might own the
> electronic source for Ka*Ge? I might be interested in buying it.
>
> Wordman

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