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Message no. 1
From: TalonMail <TalonMail@***.COM>
Subject: Shadowrun without magic?
Date: Thu, 7 May 1998 10:53:28 EDT
There have been many posts and speculations on the list recently to the effect
that "FASA is reducing/removing magic from Shadowrun." Speaking as the guy who
is hard at work on the Magic chapter for Shadowrun 3 and what will probably be
the largest Magic Sourcebook Shadowrun has ever seen, I have to tell you that
nothing could be further from the truth.

FASA and Mike Mulvihill know full well that the magic/fantasy elements of
Shadowrun are some of the game's greatest strengths, that seperated SR from
all the other "cyber/dark future" RPGs. There is NO plan to remove magic from
SR.

There is an effort to balance the fantasy elements with more technology,
politics, corporate action, and such. As people have pointed out, there was a
point where every major event in the Sixth World was triggered by a
spirit/dragon/immortal elf, and that took away from the other things that are
cool about Shadowrun, like the Matrix, cybertech, the corps and all that other
stuff. Products like Cyberpirates and Blood in the Boardroom are addressing
that.

I'm disappointed by the number of folks who think FASA isn't heading in the
right direction with Shadowrun. I've been very proud to work with Mike on the
game in the past few years. If you do feel SR is going the wrong way, all I
can tell you is to fill out your product response cards and let FASA know what
you like and what you don't like. And, as Bull pointed out, send in a product
proposal or two.

Okay, back to work on the magic stuff.

Take care,
Steve
Message no. 2
From: Nexx <nexx@********.NET>
Subject: Re: Shadowrun without magic?
Date: Thu, 7 May 1998 10:59:35 -0500
----------
> From: TalonMail <TalonMail@***.COM>

> There have been many posts and speculations on the list recently to the
effect
> that "FASA is reducing/removing magic from Shadowrun." Speaking as the
guy who
> is hard at work on the Magic chapter for Shadowrun 3 and what will
probably be
> the largest Magic Sourcebook Shadowrun has ever seen, I have to tell you
that
> nothing could be further from the truth.

I would just like to say that my initial comment was sarcastic (and, from
what I've read, pretty ill-informed). Unfortunately, I always forget the
little emoticons that denote that.

***************
Rev. Mark Hall, Bardagh
"Death by a sword lasts but a moment, but a bard's scorn lasts
forever"
aka Pope Nexx Many-Scars, PML FAQ Cop
"Discretion is the better part of honor.... and innuendo the
better part of humor."
aka Ellegon, Working at making Cannon canon
"Meddle not in the affairs of dragons, mortal, for you are crunchy
and good with ketchup."
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Message no. 3
From: Erik Jameson <erikj@****.COM>
Subject: Re: Shadowrun without magic?
Date: Thu, 7 May 1998 15:16:23 -0400
At 10:53 AM 5/7/98 EDT, TalonMail wrote:
>There have been many posts and speculations on the list recently to the
effect
>that "FASA is reducing/removing magic from Shadowrun." Speaking as the guy
who
>is hard at work on the Magic chapter for Shadowrun 3 and what will
probably be
>the largest Magic Sourcebook Shadowrun has ever seen, I have to tell you that
>nothing could be further from the truth.

Yippee! Hey Steve, any vague ideas of when that Big Book O'Magic might
possibly be in our grubby little hands? I'm drooling over that.


>There is an effort to balance the fantasy elements with more technology,
>politics, corporate action, and such. As people have pointed out, there was a
>point where every major event in the Sixth World was triggered by a
>spirit/dragon/immortal elf, and that took away from the other things that are
>cool about Shadowrun, like the Matrix, cybertech, the corps and all that
other
>stuff. Products like Cyberpirates and Blood in the Boardroom are addressing
>that.

I'm hoping that this balancing act will continue on with SR3; I'm expecting
it in fact. Mike seems to have gone through an awful lot of trouble to get
tings moving in this direction and I would hate for it to be blown
off-course by something.

>I'm disappointed by the number of folks who think FASA isn't heading in the
>right direction with Shadowrun. I've been very proud to work with Mike on the
>game in the past few years. If you do feel SR is going the wrong way, all I
>can tell you is to fill out your product response cards and let FASA know
what
>you like and what you don't like. And, as Bull pointed out, send in a product
>proposal or two.

Actually, Steve, I think it's mostly just your normal bitchin' and moanin'
that is common on any list. I think most people are generally happy with
what FASA is doing, but I think that there are those that are nervous about
what will happen next. IE's and the like are being pushed back to the
background; will FASA stop in time to prevent them from being totally
eliminated from canon? That's the worry methinks.

>Okay, back to work on the magic stuff.

<sound of whip crack>
Get back to work MagicBoy!
</sound of whip crack>

BTW, Steve, do you know the status on the new addition to the Mulvihill
family?

The last time we heard big non-game news out of FASA it was the death of
Nigel; I think many of us here would like to congratulate Mike and Sharon
on a more happy occassion for FASA. I already did, sneaking it into
another e-mail I sent him.

Hey, maybe we could do like what we did with Nigel and have Adam send a
"list card," an e-mail expressing our congratulations from the entire list
in one e-mail.

Put my name on the "e-card" anyway.

Erik J.


Resepected Elders Relaxation Resort Activites Director

"Hey, how about a game of first edition using only the Blue Book?"
Message no. 4
From: Fade <runefo@***.UIO.NO>
Subject: Re: Shadowrun without magic?
Date: Thu, 7 May 1998 21:58:41 +0000
Shit that one wasn't supposed to go to the list.
Sorry guys.

--
Fade

And the Prince of Lies said:
"To reign is worth ambition, though in Hell:
Better to reign in hell than to serve in heaven."
-John Milton, Paradise Lost
Message no. 5
From: Fade <runefo@***.UIO.NO>
Subject: Re: Shadowrun without magic?
Date: Thu, 7 May 1998 21:57:56 +0000
> Okay, back to work on the magic stuff.
>
> Take care,
> Steve

For my part it seemed Shadowrun was heading towards 'Earthdawn 2060'
which, in my opinion, wasn't good at all. I prefer the 'corporate',
darker world which isn't as 'epic', but a lot more challenging.. and
satisfying.

Keep up the good work!

--
Fade

And the Prince of Lies said:
"To reign is worth ambition, though in Hell:
Better to reign in hell than to serve in heaven."
-John Milton, Paradise Lost
Message no. 6
From: rabiola <rabiola@**.NETCOM.COM>
Subject: Re: Shadowrun without magic?
Date: Thu, 7 May 1998 15:30:43 -0500
>There have been many posts and speculations on the list recently to the
effect
>that "FASA is reducing/removing magic from Shadowrun." Speaking as the
guy who
>is hard at work on the Magic chapter for Shadowrun 3 and what will
probably be
>the largest Magic Sourcebook Shadowrun has ever seen, I have to tell
you that
>nothing could be further from the truth.
>

Coolness! We've already got some terrific SB's for magic the way it
is, and a big new one to go with SR3 should be a treat, if it is larger
to provide more clarifications and examples.

>FASA and Mike Mulvihill know full well that the magic/fantasy elements
of
>Shadowrun are some of the game's greatest strengths, that seperated SR
from
>all the other "cyber/dark future" RPGs. There is NO plan to remove
magic from
>SR.
>

I was thinking that was a off-hand comment that developed a life of its
own...

>There is an effort to balance the fantasy elements with more
technology,
>politics, corporate action, and such. As people have pointed out, there
was a
>point where every major event in the Sixth World was triggered by a
>spirit/dragon/immortal elf, and that took away from the other things
that are
>cool about Shadowrun, like the Matrix, cybertech, the corps and all
that other
>stuff. Products like Cyberpirates and Blood in the Boardroom are
addressing
>that.
>

Cyberpirates rocks! Just let me get those cocky PC's out on a ship
island-hopping and see how tough they are...(grin)

>I'm disappointed by the number of folks who think FASA isn't heading in
the
>right direction with Shadowrun. I've been very proud to work with Mike
on the
>game in the past few years. If you do feel SR is going the wrong way,
all I
>can tell you is to fill out your product response cards and let FASA
know what
>you like and what you don't like. And, as Bull pointed out, send in a
product
>proposal or two.
>

I think it is more to do with just change in general, Steve, though all
of us probably have particular feelings on where we would like to see
our favorite game go. Keep up the quality and listen to the consumers,
life FASA always has, and things will be fine.

>Okay, back to work on the magic stuff.
>

That's the spirit!

Tony Rabiola rabiola@**.netcom.com
Fourth and Sixth World Adept
Still working on the Fifth...
Message no. 7
From: Adam J <fro@***.AB.CA>
Subject: Re: Shadowrun without magic?
Date: Thu, 7 May 1998 15:45:41 -0600
At 15:16 07/05/98 -0400, you wrote:
>At 10:53 AM 5/7/98 EDT, TalonMail wrote:
>BTW, Steve, do you know the status on the new addition to the Mulvihill
>family?
>
>Hey, maybe we could do like what we did with Nigel and have Adam send a
>"list card," an e-mail expressing our congratulations from the entire list
>in one e-mail.

Undernet #Shadowrun was probably going to be sending flowers to the FASA
offices when we heard the news. Donations gleefully accepted for this -- I
just got my phone bill. EEK!

-Adam
-
http://www.interware.it/users/adamj \ fro@***.ab.ca \ ICQ# 2350330
ShadowRN Assistant Fearless Leader \ FreeRPG Webring \ TSS Productions
The Shadowrun Supplemental \ SR Archive Co-Maintainer \ RPGA Reviwer
Message no. 8
From: "Jeremy \"Bolthy\" Zimmerman" <jeremy@***********.COM>
Subject: Re: Shadowrun without magic?
Date: Thu, 7 May 1998 14:56:10 -0700
----------
> From: Adam J <fro@***.AB.CA>
> To: SHADOWRN@***TPROC.ITRIBE.NET
> Subject: Re: Shadowrun without magic?
> Date: Thursday, May 07, 1998 2:45 PM
>
> At 15:16 07/05/98 -0400, you wrote:
> >At 10:53 AM 5/7/98 EDT, TalonMail wrote:
> >BTW, Steve, do you know the status on the new addition to the Mulvihill
> >family?
> >
> >Hey, maybe we could do like what we did with Nigel and have Adam send a
> >"list card," an e-mail expressing our congratulations from the entire
list
> >in one e-mail.
>
> Undernet #Shadowrun was probably going to be sending flowers to the FASA
> offices when we heard the news. Donations gleefully accepted for this --
I
> just got my phone bill. EEK!
>

I'd be willing to contribute to the cause if it could wait a week. I have
to stretch ten bucks between now and my next payday. Otherwise I'd be more
than happy to contribute to the flowers fund.
Message no. 9
From: Spike <u5a77@*****.CS.KEELE.AC.UK>
Subject: Re: Shadowrun without magic?
Date: Thu, 7 May 1998 22:59:50 +0100
And verily, did Nexx hastily scribble thusly...
|***************
| Rev. Mark Hall, Bardagh
| "Death by a sword lasts but a moment, but a bard's scorn lasts
|forever"
| aka Pope Nexx Many-Scars, PML FAQ Cop
| "Discretion is the better part of honor.... and innuendo the
|better part of humor."
|aka Ellegon, Working at making Cannon canon
| "Meddle not in the affairs of dragons, mortal, for you are crunchy
|and good with ketchup."
|--------[Geek Code Block]-----------
|GED/GSS d- s++:+ a-- C++ W w+ PS+.5 PE- Y+ t+
|5+ X+ R*+.5 !tv+ b+.5 DI+ D- G e h !r-- !y+
|-------[End Geek Code Block]-------
|

Hmmmm...
I think that's just a LITTLE bit over doing it with the .sig there...
I've had complaints about mine before now, and it's only 9 lines....
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Message no. 10
From: Ereskanti <Ereskanti@***.COM>
Subject: Re: Shadowrun without magic?
Date: Thu, 7 May 1998 21:40:09 EDT
In a message dated 5/7/98 2:34:40 PM US Eastern Standard Time, erikj@****.COM
writes:

> Hey, maybe we could do like what we did with Nigel and have Adam send a
> "list card," an e-mail expressing our congratulations from the entire list
> in one e-mail.
>
> Put my name on the "e-card" anyway.
>
I'll include myself here as well if you don't mind. I may not agree with the
guy, but he and Sharon do deserve the best of wishes...

-K
Message no. 11
From: Nexx <nexx@********.NET>
Subject: Re: Shadowrun without magic?
Date: Thu, 7 May 1998 21:13:56 -0500
> > Hey, maybe we could do like what we did with Nigel and have Adam send
a
> > "list card," an e-mail expressing our congratulations from the entire
list
> > in one e-mail.
> >
> > Put my name on the "e-card" anyway.
> >
> I'll include myself here as well if you don't mind. I may not agree
with the
> guy, but he and Sharon do deserve the best of wishes...

Put my name on it, too.
Message no. 12
From: John Penta <johndevil@****.COM>
Subject: Re: Shadowrun without magic?
Date: Fri, 8 May 1998 16:17:22 -0500
On Thu, 7 May 1998 21:13:56 -0500 Nexx <nexx@********.NET> writes:
>> > Hey, maybe we could do like what we did with Nigel and have Adam
>send
>a
>> > "list card," an e-mail expressing our congratulations from the
>entire
>list
>> > in one e-mail.
>> >
>> > Put my name on the "e-card" anyway.
>> >
>> I'll include myself here as well if you don't mind. I may not agree
>with the
>> guy, but he and Sharon do deserve the best of wishes...
>
>Put my name on it, too.

Mine too.

John

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Message no. 13
From: John E Pederson <lobo1@****.COM>
Subject: Re: Shadowrun without magic?
Date: Fri, 8 May 1998 16:23:09 -0500
On Fri, 8 May 1998 16:17:22 -0500 John Penta <johndevil@****.COM> writes:
>On Thu, 7 May 1998 21:13:56 -0500 Nexx <nexx@********.NET> writes:
>>>> Hey, maybe we could do like what we did with Nigel and have Adam
send a
>>>> "list card," an e-mail expressing our congratulations from the
entire list
>>>> in one e-mail.
>>>>
>>>> Put my name on the "e-card" anyway.
>>>>
>>> I'll include myself here as well if you don't mind. I may not agree
with the
>>> guy, but he and Sharon do deserve the best of wishes...
>>
>>Put my name on it, too.
>
>Mine too.

Ditto.


--
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aka Canthros, shapeshifter-mage --South Park
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Message no. 14
From: Wyrmy <elfman@*****.NET>
Subject: Re: Shadowrun without magic?
Date: Sat, 9 May 1998 10:18:04 -0500
John E Pederson wrote:
>
> On Fri, 8 May 1998 16:17:22 -0500 John Penta <johndevil@****.COM> writes:
> >On Thu, 7 May 1998 21:13:56 -0500 Nexx <nexx@********.NET> writes:
> >>>> Hey, maybe we could do like what we did with Nigel and have Adam
> send a
> >>>> "list card," an e-mail expressing our congratulations
from the
> entire list
> >>>> in one e-mail.
> >>>>
> >>>> Put my name on the "e-card" anyway.
> >>>>
> >>> I'll include myself here as well if you don't mind. I may not agree
> with the
> >>> guy, but he and Sharon do deserve the best of wishes...
> >>
> >>Put my name on it, too.
> >
> >Mine too.
>
> Ditto.

Put the wyrmy dudes name on it.Please?:^)
--
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If you are a dreeamer, a wisher,
A liar, a magic jelly bean buyer,
Come In!
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Message no. 15
From: John E Pederson <lobo1@****.COM>
Subject: Re: Shadowrun without magic?)
Date: Sat, 9 May 1998 12:38:15 -0500
On Sat, 9 May 1998 11:18:57 -0500 Wraith <wraith@************.COM>
writes:
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Wyrmy <elfman@*****.NET>
>
>
>>>
>>> Dear Mike -- congrats on your brand new (boy/girl)! Everyone here
>on
>>> ShadowRN would like to send our warmest wishes (etc., etc.)
>>>
>>> (Name) (Email)
>>> John Penta <johndevil@****.COM>
>>> Nexx <nexx@********.NET>
>>> Matt Breton (mbreton@**.netcom.com)
>>
>>In that first blank put wyrmy elfman@*****.net
>
>
>Andrew "Wraith" Duncanson <Wraith@************.com>


John Pederson <lobo1@****.com>

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Message no. 16
From: "Jeremy \"Bolthy\" Zimmerman" <jeremy@***********.COM>
Subject: Re: Shadowrun without magic?
Date: Mon, 11 May 1998 09:13:34 -0700
> > >>Put my name on it, too.
> > >
> > >Mine too.
> >
> > Ditto.
>

I guess this is a big "me too!"

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