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Message no. 1
From: Mike Elkins <MikeE@*********.COM>
Subject: Re: Shapeshifter mages
Date: Thu, 9 Jan 1997 11:05:24 -0500
>Shapeshifter mage, what kind of drek is that? Can you imagine a bear or wolf
>interested in that kind of stuff. Oh well, stranger things have happenned in the
>awakened world.
> Dust

In western mythology, shapeshifters don't do much magic (besides their innate
abilities, I mean), but take a look at the Japanese were-fox, who was a great
trickster who was VERY magical. Definitely a magician.

Double-Domed Mike
Message no. 2
From: MC23 <mc23@****.NET>
Subject: Re: Shapeshifter mages
Date: Thu, 9 Jan 1997 11:32:25 -0500
Mike Elkins wrote,
>In western mythology, shapeshifters don't do much magic (besides their innate
>abilities, I mean), but take a look at the Japanese were-fox, who was a great
>trickster who was VERY magical. Definitely a magician.

I think earlier remarks about Shapeshifters and magic (western at
least) is that the tend to be shamans of their proper animal. Go figure.




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Message no. 3
From: David Buehrer <dbuehrer@****.ORG>
Subject: Re: Shapeshifter mages
Date: Thu, 9 Jan 1997 11:57:19 -0700
MC23 wrote:
|
| Mike Elkins wrote,
| >In western mythology, shapeshifters don't do much magic (besides
their innate | >abilities, I mean), but take a look at the Japanese
were-fox, who was a great | >trickster who was VERY magical.
Definitely a magician.

| I think earlier remarks about Shapeshifters and magic (western at
| least) is that the tend to be shamans of their proper animal. Go figure.

What's interesting is that the Navajo Wolf is never
mentioned in any of Shadowrun's source material. A Navajo
Wolf is a witch, or toxic shaman, that can change into the
form of a wolf. BTW, my sole source of knowledge for this
is Tony Hillerman novels :)

-David

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Message no. 4
From: MC23 <mc23@****.NET>
Subject: Re: Shapeshifter mages
Date: Thu, 9 Jan 1997 14:27:50 -0500
David Buehrer wrote,
>What's interesting is that the Navajo Wolf is never
>mentioned in any of Shadowrun's source material. A Navajo
>Wolf is a witch, or toxic shaman, that can change into the
>form of a wolf. BTW, my sole source of knowledge for this
>is Tony Hillerman novels :)
Sounds like an adventure background to me.

- MC23 -
Message no. 5
From: Charles Baker <karolusb@**.NETCOM.COM>
Subject: Re: Shapeshifter mages
Date: Thu, 9 Jan 1997 20:21:28 -0800
Mike Elkins wrote:
>
> >Shapeshifter mage, what kind of drek is that? Can you imagine a bear or wolf
> >interested in that kind of stuff. Oh well, stranger things have happenned in the
> >awakened world.
> > Dust
>
> In western mythology, shapeshifters don't do much magic (besides their innate
> abilities, I mean), but take a look at the Japanese were-fox, who was a great
> trickster who was VERY magical. Definitely a magician.
>
> Double-Domed Mike

I don't have a problem with magic (in most cultures shapeshifters are
magical, wise etc.) in western culture they are inherently evil, I
surely wouldn't enforce that. OTOH the way they are written up I don't
understand how they would have an interest in much of anything else,
unless the whole party are ecoterrorists I doubt a shapeshifter makes a
realistic long term character.
Message no. 6
From: Dust <rogan@*******.BERGEN.ORG>
Subject: Re: Shapeshifter mages
Date: Fri, 10 Jan 1997 08:20:41 -0500
I meant whether or not shapeshifters would make viable mages. I think
they'd make wonderful shamans but I can't picture a were bear or were wolf
studying hermetic libraries and summoning elementals.
Dust


On Thu, 9 Jan 1997, Mike Elkins wrote:

> >Shapeshifter mage, what kind of drek is that? Can you imagine a bear or wolf
> >interested in that kind of stuff. Oh well, stranger things have happenned in the
> >awakened world.
> > Dust
>
> In western mythology, shapeshifters don't do much magic (besides their innate
> abilities, I mean), but take a look at the Japanese were-fox, who was a great
> trickster who was VERY magical. Definitely a magician.
>
> Double-Domed Mike
>

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