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Message no. 1
From: Vegard Thinn dj_madspin@*******.com
Subject: SIN questions
Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2000 22:22:35
I'm a new GM that is putting together a group of people for some Shadowruns.
I have a question regarding SIN's. Since Shadowrunners want to keep a low
profile and want to keep their real identity close to their chest, they
probably get a fake SIN to be able to have cellphones and other stuff that
requiers a SIN number. Can I let characters buy a fake SIN on character
creation or is this something they will aquire later on in the adventures to
come?

I can't find mention of price or availability of fake SIN's anywhere in the
rulebook (3rd edition) Can anybody give me some advice please =)
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Message no. 2
From: Augustus shadowrun@********.net
Subject: SIN questions
Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2000 15:49:31 -0800
----- Original Message -----
From: Vegard Thinn <dj_madspin@*******.com>

> I'm a new GM that is putting together a group of people for some
Shadowruns.
> I have a question regarding SIN's. Since Shadowrunners want to keep a low
> profile and want to keep their real identity close to their chest, they
> probably get a fake SIN to be able to have cellphones and other stuff that
> requiers a SIN number. Can I let characters buy a fake SIN on character
> creation or is this something they will aquire later on in the adventures
to
> come?
>
> I can't find mention of price or availability of fake SIN's anywhere in
the
> rulebook (3rd edition) Can anybody give me some advice please =)

p238-239 provides info on SINs and fake IDs. Pretty much if the PC was born
in a hospital they'll be issued a SIN. So I leave it up to them if they
want a legit SIN or not... and it mostly boils down to... if you got a real
SIN and the PC uses it to buy stuff, they're just asking for trouble (ie:
buying an Ares Predator for "home protection" and then going out and killing
a whack of people with it is just asking for them to be tracked down...
thats why the street index is there... to cover the extra costs involved in
getting a gun that was previously stolen, or part of an overrun that was
shipped to the streets by the manufacturer, etc)

And p239 covers fake Credsticks (and with them comes the fake ID too)

As for prices, there is a table on p239 detailing the cost of getting a
forged credstick.

Augustus
Message no. 3
From: Paul J. Adam ShadowRN@********.demon.co.uk
Subject: SIN questions
Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2000 00:55:22 +0000
In article <002101c0534c$8ef64ce0$8599059a@******>, Augustus
<shadowrun@********.net> writes
>p238-239 provides info on SINs and fake IDs. Pretty much if the PC was born
>in a hospital they'll be issued a SIN. So I leave it up to them if they
>want a legit SIN or not... and it mostly boils down to... if you got a real
>SIN and the PC uses it to buy stuff, they're just asking for trouble (ie:
>buying an Ares Predator for "home protection" and then going out and killing
>a whack of people with it is just asking for them to be tracked down...
>thats why the street index is there... to cover the extra costs involved in
>getting a gun that was previously stolen, or part of an overrun that was
>shipped to the streets by the manufacturer, etc)

Now, what _works_ to a certain extent is having a permit for an Ares
Predator.. and having a "street" Predator for your shadowy activities.
You can buy ammunition and accessories legally for your handgun, with
caution, and go armed in public with less hassle.

For a casual check - "Sir! Please stand still! Please raise your hands!
Are you carrying a weapon?... Thank you, sir, your permit is in order!"
it helps a lot if you get spotted packing before, or at a safe distance
after, the hit. (During, you're screwed regardless)

It _can_ cause you more trouble than it saves, but that's for you and
your GM to sort out :)

>And p239 covers fake Credsticks (and with them comes the fake ID too)
>
>As for prices, there is a table on p239 detailing the cost of getting a
>forged credstick.

Depending on the character, having a real or a fake or no SIN at all can
be advantageous. I've enjoyed playing all three.

--
Paul J. Adam
Message no. 4
From: Gurth gurth@******.nl
Subject: SIN questions
Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2000 11:51:19 +0100
According to Vegard Thinn, on Thu, 01 Jan 1970 the word on the street was...

> I'm a new GM that is putting together a group of people for some Shadowruns.
> I have a question regarding SIN's. Since Shadowrunners want to keep a low
> profile and want to keep their real identity close to their chest, they
> probably get a fake SIN to be able to have cellphones and other stuff that
> requiers a SIN number. Can I let characters buy a fake SIN on character
> creation or is this something they will aquire later on in the adventures to
> come?

You can buy them at character creation (see below). Whether your players
need to or not depends on your GMing style -- if you don't pay too much
attention to it, they won't really need to; OTOH if you want to be
realistic on the players in terms of the consequences of their actions, the
more fake SINs a character's got, the better...

> I can't find mention of price or availability of fake SIN's anywhere in the
> rulebook (3rd edition) Can anybody give me some advice please =)

Try page 239, which has rules for forging credsticks; in my game at least,
the terms "credstick" and "SIN" are interchangeable when it comes to
fake
IDs. Note that the price for levels 1 through 4 is based on the _square_ of
the level, while for levels 5+, it isn't; that's not a typo in the rulebook.

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Message no. 5
From: Aristotle antithesis@**********.com
Subject: SIN questions
Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2000 14:26:59 -0500
> Can I let characters buy a fake SIN on character
> creation or is this something they will aquire
> later on in the adventures to come?

You could put a price on the service and make it available to the
character from the start. I don't think any actual rule exists for this. I
usually ask players to make "street level" characters or new runners. They
don't get fake SIN's, but I do usually make them available in the game
fairly quickly.

Just my $0.02,
Travis "Aristotle" Heldibridle
Message no. 6
From: Strago strago@***.com
Subject: SIN questions
Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2000 11:57:38 -0800
Aristotle wrote:

> > Can I let characters buy a fake SIN on character
> > creation or is this something they will aquire
> > later on in the adventures to come?
>
> You could put a price on the service and make it available to the
> character from the start. I don't think any actual rule exists for this. I
> usually ask players to make "street level" characters or new runners. They
> don't get fake SIN's, but I do usually make them available in the game
> fairly quickly.
>

In my game, I give the players a choice: either they keep their real SIN or
they get a level 6 fake SIN. They can also buy them using the rules in the
SRIII (though I can't quote the page right now).

>
> Just my $0.02,
> Travis "Aristotle" Heldibridle

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