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Message no. 1
From: GRANITE <granite@**.NET>
Subject: Slamming Folks Handles, names etc...
Date: Wed, 23 Oct 1996 14:30:35 -0700
Fastjack wrote:
>
> On Tue, 22 Oct 1996, NightLife wrote:
> > Umm you might want to consider a different name. After all Fastjack is a
> > character from the SR books and a copyrighted name.


What's the deal with some of you folks slamming people about their
names..Just WHO DO YOU THINK YOU ARE?!?!?!?! If these people like a character
enough to want to take their names as well..More power to them!! I know for a
fact that this happens on the RL streets..We have 2 guys that go by the name
Preacher here..Both happen to be criminals..But that is a different story..It
happens..If the original whoever doesn't like it then let THAT PERSON AND
THAT PERSON ALONE OBJECT!!!!! Until such time get off their backs!!

> Ops...sorry...if you believes i must change it,ill do...But Fastjack is
> the nickname/alias i use in all BBS,and in my address

Leave it if you are attached to it..FastJack is also the name of a movie that
has nothing to do with SR..Even though one could place it in the same
arena..It is kinda hard to copyright a person's name..

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Lord, Grant Me The Serinity To Accept The Things I Cannot Change,
The Courage To Change The Things I Can,
And The Wisdom To Hide The Bodies Of Those People I Had To Kill
Because They Pissed Me Off.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ShadowRunner's Serinity Prayer
Message no. 2
From: David Buehrer <dbuehrer@****.ORG>
Subject: Re: Slamming Folks Handles, names etc...
Date: Wed, 23 Oct 1996 16:31:13 -0600
GRANITE wrote:
|
|It is kinda hard to copyright a person's name..

The person formerly known as Prince (or is that symbol trademarked).
Walt Disney.
And probably Bill Gates.

:)

-David

/^\/^\/^\/^\/^\/^\/^\ dbuehrer@****.org /^\/^\/^\/^\/^\/^\/^\
"His thoughts tumbled in his head, making and breaking
alliances like underpants in a dryer without Cling Free."
~~~http://www.geocities.com/TimesSquare/1068/homepage.htm~~~~
Message no. 3
From: NightLife <habenir@******.SAN.UC.EDU>
Subject: Re: Slamming Folks Handles, names etc...
Date: Tue, 22 Oct 1996 16:40:22 -0700
>What's the deal with some of you folks slamming people about their
>names..Just WHO DO YOU THINK YOU ARE?!?!?!?! If these people like a character
>enough to want to take their names as well..More power to them!! I know for a
>fact that this happens on the RL streets..We have 2 guys that go by the name
>Preacher here..Both happen to be criminals..But that is a different story..It
>happens..If the original whoever doesn't like it then let THAT PERSON AND
>THAT PERSON ALONE OBJECT!!!!! Until such time get off their backs!!
>
>> Ops...sorry...if you believes i must change it,ill do...But Fastjack is
>> the nickname/alias i use in all BBS,and in my address
>
>Leave it if you are attached to it..FastJack is also the name of a movie that
>has nothing to do with SR..Even though one could place it in the same
>arena..It is kinda hard to copyright a person's name..

Nice to know. Personally I don't give a hoot. But there was the possible
consideration of FASA breathing down our necks. Temper tantrums aside. I
kind of like the info I can get off of hear I'd hate to see it torn down
because the company decided to go after the list. TSR did it why not FASA?


>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Nightlife Inc.
<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<

If you have to ask then it's probably classified.
Which means that I have to follow protocol.
But if you ask nicely I might forget that you asked.
Then again maybe not.

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Document Classified
<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
Message no. 4
From: Tim Kerby <tkerby@***.NET>
Subject: Re: Slamming Folks Handles, names etc...
Date: Wed, 23 Oct 1996 23:55:41 EDT
On Tue, 22 Oct 1996 16:40:22 -0700 you wrote:

>TSR did it why not FASA?

Because TSR sucks and FASA doesn't? TSR shot themselves in the foot
with their aggressive attitude. It turned a lot of people off. TSR is
popular for the same reason that Microsoft is; because so many people
just don't know any better.

<y'all just knew I'd get in my daily MS slam, didn't ya?> :)
But it's true!!



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Message no. 5
From: "Robert Pendergrast (Tom)" <3011_3@***.EDU>
Subject: Re: Slamming Folks Handles, names etc...
Date: Thu, 24 Oct 1996 00:04:20 -0700
> >TSR did it why not FASA?

<Tim Kerby wrote>

> Because TSR sucks and FASA doesn't? TSR shot themselves in the foot
> with their aggressive attitude. It turned a lot of people off. TSR is
> popular for the same reason that Microsoft is; because so many people
> just don't know any better.

Again, if that is truly how you feel, you are both ignorant and stupid.

-Tom
Message no. 6
From: Gurth <gurth@******.NL>
Subject: Re: Slamming Folks Handles, names etc...
Date: Thu, 24 Oct 1996 12:37:41 +0100
NightLife said on 16:40/22 Oct 96...

> Nice to know. Personally I don't give a hoot. But there was the possible
> consideration of FASA breathing down our necks. Temper tantrums aside. I
> kind of like the info I can get off of hear I'd hate to see it torn down
> because the company decided to go after the list. TSR did it why not FASA?

Because FASA (well, Tom Dowd) told this list (well, Rob Hayden) that FASA
didn't have a problem with this list, maybe? I think I've got the message
somewhere, though it'd take some digging around to find it.

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Message no. 7
From: A Halliwell <u5a77@**.KEELE.AC.UK>
Subject: Re: Slamming Folks Handles, names etc...
Date: Thu, 24 Oct 1996 13:03:27 +0100
|Again, if that is truly how you feel, you are both ignorant and stupid.

And so are you, because you do not know the full facts of the matter....

Before you attack anyone again like the moron that you sound, I suggest you
try to find out WHY people feel this way!

Idiot.
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Message no. 8
From: Adam Wise <dwise@****.STATE.IL.US>
Subject: Re: Slamming Folks Handles, names etc...
Date: Thu, 24 Oct 1996 08:07:58 -0500
At 12:04 AM 10/24/96 -0700, Robert Pendergrast wrote:
>> >TSR did it why not FASA?
>
><Tim Kerby wrote>
>
>> Because TSR sucks and FASA doesn't? TSR shot themselves in the foot
>> with their aggressive attitude. It turned a lot of people off. TSR is
>> popular for the same reason that Microsoft is; because so many people
>> just don't know any better.
>
>Again, if that is truly how you feel, you are both ignorant and stupid.
>
>-Tom
>

I think you've got the wrong attitude here, Tom. Don't go saying stuff like
that without a reason, it tends to annoy people, such as myself, and Tim
Kerby probably isn't in your fan club at the moment, either. If you have a
problem with what someone says, why don't you give them reasons why you
don't agree with them, instead of calling them ignorant and stupid? That
*would* seem to be the intelligent thing to do, ne?

And in agreement with Tim:

T$R *has* done a lot of stuff that is both very aggresive and dumb, from a
business standpoint. An excellent example is websites. They were so
annoyed at the idea of anyone else throwing up an "official" T$R website
that they wrote a statement making it illegal for anyone to do so. The only
problem was, they didn't quite go over the fine print well enough, because
even *they* can't put up an official T$R website.

The people who play **&* are also a good example. I haven't met one yet who
can truthfully say that he likes T$R. Every last one I've met hates that
company but just thinks **&* is cool. I have to say that I'd be playing a
different game, myself.

And don't get me started on Microsoft, because Microsoft is just a <15 Mp
deleted>ing hate that company!

Later,

Adam Wise (The Dodger)

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Message no. 9
From: Mike Elkins <MikeE@*********.COM>
Subject: Re: Slamming Folks Handles, names etc... -Reply
Date: Thu, 24 Oct 1996 10:06:00 -0500
>> Because TSR sucks and FASA doesn't? TSR shot themselves in the foot
>> with their aggressive attitude. It turned a lot of people off. TSR is
>> popular for the same reason that Microsoft is; because so many people
>> just don't know any better.
>
>Again, if that is truly how you feel, you are both ignorant and stupid.
>
>-Tom

Lets try and keep this at a higher level, please. This is the second time you've
called someone ignorant and stupid. The first time the comment could be
considered an insult to you, so your response MIGHT be justified. Responding
the same way to this post just makes me wonder what you are thinking? TSR's
bussiness practices have DEFINITELY alienated much of the industry, and cost
them a great deal of their position. Whatever you think of AD&D, I don't see how
you could take such offense at this statement. If you can back your statement up,
do so. If not, think before you post.

Double-Domed Mike
Message no. 10
From: Tim Kerby <tkerby@***.NET>
Subject: Re: Slamming Folks Handles, names etc...
Date: Thu, 24 Oct 1996 08:04:31 EDT
On Thu, 24 Oct 1996 13:03:27 +0100 A. Halliwell wrote:

>Before you attack anyone again like the moron that you sound, I suggest you
>try to find out WHY people feel this way!
>
>Idiot.

Gee, Andy, how do you really feel? :)
Tom's repsonse does bring the following to mind:
"Better to be silent and thought a fool, than to speak and remove all
doubt."

Later.





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Message no. 11
From: Tim Kerby <tkerby@***.NET>
Subject: Re: Slamming Folks Handles, names etc...
Date: Thu, 24 Oct 1996 07:57:38 EDT
On Thu, 24 Oct 1996 08:07:58 -0500 Adam Wise wrote:

>T$R *has* done a lot of stuff that is both very aggresive and dumb, from a
>business standpoint. An excellent example is websites. They were so
>annoyed at the idea of anyone else throwing up an "official" T$R website
>that they wrote a statement making it illegal for anyone to do so. The only
>problem was, they didn't quite go over the fine print well enough, because
>even *they* can't put up an official T$R website.

Hehe. If that is true, it serves the bastards right.

>And don't get me started on Microsoft, because Microsoft is just a <15 Mp
>deleted>ing hate that company!

Can't argue there.
I don't want to drag this thread on, but I am curious if he was
defending TSR, Microsoft, or both, and why? I would like hear his
side. Although, he did resort to name calling, so he probably doesn't
have a reason, or an intelligent arguement for that matter.


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Message no. 12
From: Tim Kerby <tkerby@***.NET>
Subject: Re: Slamming Folks Handles, names etc...
Date: Thu, 24 Oct 1996 19:58:04 EDT
On Thu, 24 Oct 1996 00:04:20 -0700 you wrote:

>Again, if that is truly how you feel, you are both ignorant and stupid.
>-Tom

It is how I feel. If I was being sarcastic, the message would have
contained smileys. And apparently, I am not alone. (Thanks, guys!)



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Message no. 13
From: Sascha Pabst <Sascha.Pabst@**********.UNI-OLDENBURG.DE>
Subject: Re: Slamming Folks Handles, names etc...
Date: Fri, 25 Oct 1996 14:47:18 +0000
On 24 Oct 96 at 13:03, A Halliwell wrote:
[snip]
> Idiot.
> --
> ______________________________________________________________________________
> |u5a77@**.keele.ac.uk | |
...now that is a strange name if I ever saw one :-)

Sascha
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Message no. 14
From: A Halliwell <u5a77@**.KEELE.AC.UK>
Subject: Re: Slamming Folks Handles, names etc...
Date: Fri, 25 Oct 1996 17:09:44 +0100
|> |u5a77@**.keele.ac.uk | |
|...now that is a strange name if I ever saw one :-)

Yep, but that's how the university assignes account names...
U means undergrad
5 means I started at the university in 1995.
a77 is just a random assignment dependent on when I got my account.

Not exactly user friendly, but hey, it's FREE.... I can't complain...
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Message no. 15
From: Sascha Pabst <Sascha.Pabst@**********.UNI-OLDENBURG.DE>
Subject: Re: Slamming Folks Handles, names etc...
Date: Sun, 27 Oct 1996 18:36:57 +0000
On 25 Oct 96 at 17:09, A Halliwell wrote:
> |> |u5a77@**.keele.ac.uk | |
> |...now that is a strange name if I ever saw one :-)
>
> Yep, but that's how the university assignes account names...
[snip explanation of user-name]
I meant the last line before the "-- ", where most people write their name...
and you had "Idiot" standing. Sorry, just tried to defuse the situation a bit
(as you can see, even my mailer recognizes your true name, Andrew :-)

Sascha
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