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From: Glenn Sprott wasntka44@*********.net
Subject: [slightly OT]Martial Arts vs. Brawling
Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2000 21:20:16 -0500
>>>First, the cost is higher also for the game balance. Secondly:
>you learn any martial art? Or you study anything connected with
>arts that you know that it is inaccurate and naive? Well, I study
>for some time now, and I think of myself as about a student who still
>to learn a lot, but I know many people im my Aikido school who are
>advanced and have black belts and hakama. So I sew MA in reality
couple of
>times. Call it luck, but there was no situation where someone could
be a
>danger to Aikidoka after 7 years of training. I've also read many
>about MA and I don't think they lie. I don't really think that it is
>totally naive. Take for example two guys: one have learned brawling
on the
>streets for many years and the other was 5-6 years in marine corpses.
>do you think will win? Sure, there are many factors, but I wouldn't
bet on
>the streetfighter. <<<

I have studied martial arts (Karate and Wing Chung), and I still
believe in
what I said. I have seen too many kids and adults get cocky because
believe that the martial arts are the "end-all" of combat training.
Granted, the term "martial arts" is a very generalized term, and most
of combat fall into this category, but it isn't the only form of
around. Martial arts (the common forms: Karate, Kung Fu, Ninjitsu) are
inherently young in their forms. Before people start throwing things
at me,
consider this. Most forms of martial arts can be traced back to their
origins, whether it be eastern or western. However, if you think about
existed before them... Animalistic and instinctual "mauling" of the
opponent. Many eastern forms of martial arts try to mimic this form
style and Drunken Monkey), but the fact remains that the martial arts
still young compared to the existence of the human race.

My point is this: "Brawling" and "Streetfighter" are terms I use to
describe forms of fighting that aren't "structured" or based on any
kind of
academic theory. Even without these two factors, brawling can be a
potent and effective style of fighting. However, it is based on many
factors (the person, where he learned, how he learned) and this should
taken into consideration, but for game purposes, we won't touch on
now. But for your argument, if you took two guys... One a marine and
other a street thug, and pitted them together... There are too many
factors to even consider who will win. You may have well just asked,
will win between a Jujitsu student and a Kung Fu student." Who knows?
cares? But both opponents won't underestimate each other...

>>>And beliving in dwarves and elves is ok? hehehe Sorry, little
of the
>topic. Normally, martial artist, learns a lot more than a street
>His moves are trained, and he knows where to aim the best hit without
>thinking. It takes a years of training. His knowlege of fight is,
>'academical'. On the other side is brawler, who learned his fighting
>on the streets and he have some of his own tricks... <<<

You are assuming too much here. How do you know a person who lives on
street doesn't know where to hit someone without thinking? You are
thinking of a common street punk with attitude. I'm talking about a
who has lived everyday on the street. A man who has had to fight
for whatever he wanted or wanted to protect. The city is his Dojo and
people in it are his sparring partners. You don't think that he would
learn where to hit and how to hit to cause the most damage while
the least amount of energy? You don't think that he would have
trained his
body to ignore pain and hunger and sickness and emotion? A man
remorse in a fight. Not fighting for honor or tradition... but rather
eat. To live... Now, I'll ask you... Is he any less motivated to
than the martial artist?

I have lived on the streets in the past. I have had to fight to
protect my
things from would be predators. I know what it's like to have to
everyday just to eat and to find a place to sleep... I have learned
exactly how many pounds of pressure it takes to pull off a human
And you'd be surprised how quickly that will end a fight... The point

Never Deal With A Dragon
And Never Underestimate That Bum In The Alley.

>>>I'm not sure if the both have 'in game terms' the same level of
>skill. And there is no way to find it out. But that fight you saw
>confirm my fruther opinion. The streetfighter is bigger (or have high
>'body') and have experience in fighting on the strrets. Martrial
>probably havent fight too often with such a berserk opponents, till
now he
>had against him only sparing partners who were using 'systematical'
>style, with nice and predictible moves. <<<

So who's a better fighter? Or I guess a better question is, "Which
is better?" Well, we can't answer that. What we can answer is this:
martial artist underestimated his opponent, which is something I find
common amongst younger students of martial arts. The other thing we
learned is that martial arts, no matter how all encompassing the
style, can't combat all forms of attack.

The other thing I've noticed about what you have been saying is that
are assuming that the Street fighter is "berserk" and "without
In the example I gave you, my friend was not berserk, but rather the
contrary. He was methodical. He was cold. He made no sound until we
pulled him off. There was nothing about the fight that told me he
know what he was doing... On the contrary, he seemed to know too well
he was doing.

>>>The real power of MA is philosophy. Learning martial art is
>codified techniques and learning the way of thinking. Our Sensei
tells us
>very often, don't get scared in the fight because you will lose. It
>sometimes happens that you will have take one or two hits before you
>And finally the worlds of sensei "If you need more strength than
drinking a
>cup of tee to beat your opponent, than you have to learn more". You
>aikido is using strength of opponent against himself. <<<

I can't argue with that philosophy... It's very intelligent. And
just so
everyone knows, fear is the most powerful tool used on the street.
through dominance and misdirection. Fear through lies... "Is that
a gun in his jacket?" And fear of what's to come....

My friend told me once, "I'm not afraid of losing or getting hurt.
gives a sh*t. I don't think about that. I think about the end and
where I
want to be... standing. I don't want to die."

Wasntka (Wolf)

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