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Message no. 1
From: shadowrn@*********.com (Lubzens Opher)
Subject: Small Unit Tactics
Date: Sat Mar 31 14:45:01 2001
Does anyone know what the target number to the Small Unit Tactics skill
when using it only for oneself's?Or if there is a test needed?
I checked CC, it simply states it doesn't take you the complex action, and
the table has TN's only for using it to benefit others.
Message no. 2
From: shadowrn@*********.com (Damion Milliken)
Subject: Small Unit Tactics
Date: Sat Mar 31 15:00:01 2001
Lubzens Opher writes:

> Does anyone know what the target number to the Small Unit Tactics skill
> when using it only for oneself's?Or if there is a test needed?
> I checked CC, it simply states it doesn't take you the complex action, and
> the table has TN's only for using it to benefit others.

I would have said "the default 4", except that the TN for direct
face-to-face communiction is already 4. I would say that it is probably 2,
since it's 4 for direct communication (and unless you've a severe multiple
personality disorder, then you can communicate with yourself :-)), and the
-2 for BattleTac Cyberlink seems appropriate, as you've got a pretty
intimate knowledge of your own tactical situation (transmitted by your
neurons, just like a cyberlink :-)). Of course, there are no rules, so do
whatever you like.

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Message no. 3
From: shadowrn@*********.com (Zebulin Magby)
Subject: Small Unit Tactics
Date: Sat Mar 31 17:15:00 2001
"Lubzens Opher" <slubzens@********.technion.ac.il> wrote:

> Does anyone know what the target number to the Small Unit Tactics skill
> when using it only for oneself's?Or if there is a test needed?
> I checked CC, it simply states it doesn't take you the complex action, and
> the table has TN's only for using it to benefit others.
>

I'm not sure, but isn't the concept behind using Small Unit Tactics to
benefit a small unit of people? Don't know about you, but I don't consider
1person to be a unit of anything...

Zebulin


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Message no. 4
From: shadowrn@*********.com (Nexx)
Subject: Small Unit Tactics
Date: Sat Mar 31 17:20:01 2001
----- Original Message -----
From: "Zebulin Magby"
>
> I'm not sure, but isn't the concept behind using Small Unit Tactics to
> benefit a small unit of people? Don't know about you, but I don't consider
> 1person to be a unit of anything...

Probably an Army of One...
Message no. 5
From: shadowrn@*********.com (Darren Gilliver)
Subject: Small Unit Tactics
Date: Sat Mar 31 17:20:06 2001
--- Lubzens Opher <slubzens@********.technion.ac.il>
> wrote:
>Does anyone know what the target number to the Small Unit Tactics skill
>when using it only for oneself's?Or if there is a test needed?
>I checked CC, it simply states it doesn't take you the complex action, and
>the table has TN's only for using it to benefit others.

I guess it would be 4,not sure though.
also can you use it for just yourself?,im no military tactician but one guy is a REALLY
small unit.

Darren,kobold master chef.

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Message no. 6
From: shadowrn@*********.com (shadowrn@*********.com)
Subject: Small Unit Tactics
Date: Sat Mar 31 20:20:00 2001
In a message dated 3/31/2001 3:21:52 PM Mountain Standard Time,
zebulingod@*****.com writes:

> I'm not sure, but isn't the concept behind using Small Unit Tactics to
> benefit a small unit of people? Don't know about you, but I don't consider
> 1person to be a unit of anything...

I'm pretty sure the idea is so that you can squeeze more communications into
those free rounds...but 1 person can be a unit. Just a very small one.
::laughs:: Besides, ain't that the Army's logo now? Army of one?

But Small Unit Tactics wouldn't really be fitting to just one person...unless
you want to be able to freely talk to yourself and communicate more before
the bullets start flying at your crazy head!
Message no. 7
From: shadowrn@*********.com (Lubzens Opher)
Subject: Small Unit Tactics
Date: Sun Apr 1 14:10:15 2001
on 31/03/2001 Zebulin wrote:
>I'm not sure, but isn't the concept behind using Small Unit Tactics to
>benefit a small unit of people? Don't know about you, but I don't
>consider 1person to be a unit of anything...

Wrong!"If the skill(Small Unit Tactics) is used for the character's own
benefit, no complex action is necessary to communicate"(CC,p.105)
This sentence explicitly says that 1 person can benefit from Small Unit
Tactics skill.

on 31/03/2001 Sinabian@***.com wrote:
>I'm pretty sure the idea is so that you can squeeze more communications
>into those free rounds...
No, CC explicitly states that the Small Units Tactics skill consists of
the ability to analyse the situation,decide on beneficial course of action
::and then:: comunicate commands to other team mambers, if there are any.
<various Army of One comments>
don't know what you are talking about, the IDF has no logo except it's
official simbol as far as I know (unless you are refering to the attitude
of "one of ours is worth ten of theirs" attitude that some of the
self-proclaimed badasses in the army have:)
Message no. 8
From: shadowrn@*********.com (shadowrn@*********.com)
Subject: Small Unit Tactics
Date: Sun Apr 1 17:15:01 2001
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In a message dated 4/1/01 2:17:50 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
slubzens@********.technion.ac.il writes:


> don't know what you are talking about, the IDF has no logo except it's
> official simbol as far as I know (unless you are refering to the attitude
> of "one of ours is worth ten of theirs" attitude that some of the
> self-proclaimed badasses in the army have:)

Nonono, they're talking about the US Army...Recruiting Command grabbed a
Madison Ave. ad agency and produced the first (very nice looking, IMHO)
commercials in their new "Army of One" ad campaign a while back. Premiered
during the Simpsons in January, and it replaces the 20-year old, rather
laughable "Be all you can be" campaign.

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<BR><BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE style="BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid;
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<BR>Nonono, they're talking about the US Army...Recruiting Command grabbed a
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<BR>commercials in their new "Army of One" ad campaign a while back.
Premiered
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<BR>laughable "Be all you can be" campaign.</FONT></HTML>

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Message no. 9
From: shadowrn@*********.com (Gurth)
Subject: Small Unit Tactics
Date: Mon Apr 2 06:05:01 2001
According to Lubzens Opher, on Sun, 01 Apr 2001 the word on the street
was...

> Wrong!"If the skill(Small Unit Tactics) is used for the character's own
> benefit, no complex action is necessary to communicate"(CC,p.105)
> This sentence explicitly says that 1 person can benefit from Small Unit
> Tactics skill.

Which is still a bit strange, because IMHO small unit tactics represents
good coordination between different team members to take out the opposition
efficiently. Coordinating your actions with your own actions won't help
much, I'd think...

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Message no. 10
From: shadowrn@*********.com (shadowrn@*********.com)
Subject: Small Unit Tactics
Date: Mon Apr 2 11:15:01 2001
Gurth wrote:
>
> Which is still a bit strange, because IMHO small unit tactics represents
> good coordination between different team members to take out the opposition
> efficiently. Coordinating your actions with your own actions won't help
> much, I'd think...

I think the logic is that since you've had the training and experience
in such maneuvers, you're a bit "above average" compared to a regular
Joe. As a result, you're able to take advantage of that skill and
training even when working without your team.
Message no. 11
From: shadowrn@*********.com (Sebastian Wiers)
Subject: Small Unit Tactics
Date: Tue Apr 3 17:35:00 2001
>> Which is still a bit strange, because IMHO small unit tactics represents
>> good coordination between different team members to take out the
opposition
>> efficiently. Coordinating your actions with your own actions won't help
>> much, I'd think...

On the other hand, chances are good that you OPPONANT is opperating in some
sort of "small unit". Anticipating thir actions and acting appropriately
would give you the drop on them, so "solo" use of SMT doesn't seem that odd
to me.

-Mongoose

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