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Message no. 1
From: Ferri_Pagano_at_STRM__Amsterdam1@******.com
Subject: Re: Smart Guns [f]
Date: Thu, 26 Sep 96 14:17:38 EST
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%So I'm reading Newsday this month, and low and behold, there's a great
%article on new smartgun technology.

%The article mentioned a new device being manufactured in America today that
%allows a weapon to be fired only by it's registered user.

%"Hmmm?" sez I. "Sounds a lot like that IBS safety system in CorpSec?"

%Turns out that's exactly what they're propsing. Apparently the major gun
%manufactureres are working this system out for sale by next year.

%I don't know if that's scary or reassuring. :-)

%Anyway, this set me to thinking.
%What benefits do other smartgun systems offer?
%It's been a long time since I really looked at the smartgun rules, and I'm
%sure there's plenty I missed.
%So please help.
%Aside from a -2 TN# for ranged combat, what other benefits do smartguns offer.

%Currently I'm allowing such actions as. . .

%1. Will not fire at someone the recognition circuits have registered as a
%"Friendly."

can you imagine the computing power required to do just that???????????
and detectors......... no this should definitely not be allowed.
%2. Allows user to "see" through the weapons sight with a data
%display, letting them do things like shoot around corners, and what
%have you.

the thing projects a cross over your retina, is not a cybercam so
sorry again.

%3. Can be equipped with a decker/rigger output, allowing a virtual presence
%to "deck" the gun, letting a non-combat decker/rigger see where the gun's
%user is pointing - useful for drone targeting, or even blindfire.

welll I think it's be hell setting this up, and it's have verrry limited
use.

%Anything else I'm forgetting, or other special rules you use?

nope. it's just a cyberlink, you can hook it up with a helmet HUD and perhaps do
something more with it but that's about it.

Ferri
Message no. 2
From: bluewizard@*****.com (Steven A. Tinner)
Subject: Re: Smart Guns [f]
Date: Thu, 26 Sep 1996 16:03:57 -0500 (EST)
>%Currently I'm allowing such actions as. . .
>
>%1. Will not fire at someone the recognition circuits have registered as a
>%"Friendly."
>
>can you imagine the computing power required to do just that???????????
>and detectors......... no this should definitely not be allowed.

I assume that a lot of that computing is run through the brain.
It can handle LOTS of data! :-)

>%2. Allows user to "see" through the weapons sight with a data
>%display, letting them do things like shoot around corners, and what
>%have you.
>
>the thing projects a cross over your retina, is not a cybercam so
>sorry again.

Ah but what about all those nifty sights? I have allowed them to be easily
modified into camera-like systems, which I should have explained before.

>%3. Can be equipped with a decker/rigger output, allowing a virtual presence
>%to "deck" the gun, letting a non-combat decker/rigger see where the gun's
>%user is pointing - useful for drone targeting, or even blindfire.
>
>welll I think it's be hell setting this up, and it's have verrry limited
>use.

Well sure, but it does make things easier on the non-combatant type PC's.
They worked out all the costs, and paid hefty nuyen for the system, so I
allowed it.
>%Anything else I'm forgetting, or other special rules you use?
>
>nope. it's just a cyberlink, you can hook it up with a helmet HUD and
perhaps do
>something more with it but that's about it.

But that's so boring. I like mine a little jazzier! ;-)
Message no. 3
From: Ferri_Pagano_at_STRM__Amsterdam1@******.com
Subject: Re[2]: Smart Guns[f]
Date: Mon, 07 Oct 96 15:05:36 EST
Pete wrote..
<snip>
%Had a player that was heavily into Panther Assault Cannons, a rather
%weak Mage ISTR, unfortunately, he had an offer of purchasing some
%ammunition *real cheap*, several thousand rounds in fact. What the
%fixer didn't tell him was that it had been rejected as faulty by the
%producing corp, and earmarked for disposal before the fixer
%"acquired" it. The player bought a job lot. And lived to regret it,
%Unfortunately he chose to use the ammo during the Queen Euphoria run,
%those who've played it will know the section I mean? Damned embarrasing
%when the belt blew up. =:-0

..... Assault cannon BELT blew up? OUCH!, the effect of this would be
like, for those of you that have played duke nukem 3d. the action before
he says "let God Sort 'em out"...oww.

%Poor guy, he never picked another assault cannon up again.

I'd be surprised if he picked anything up again...100 round belt,...100
times 18D damage...ouch.

%However, he did discover a penchant for LAW rockets, but that's another
%story. :-)

also in belts? :)
I'd a player once that liked to walk around with 20Kg of c12
explosive in a backpack, and a total of 80Kg in his car. When the other
players found out [after they had regained their color :) ] they forced
him to drop the explosives
Ferri
Message no. 4
From: dbuehrer@****.org (David Buehrer)
Subject: Re: Re[2]: Smart Guns[f]
Date: Mon, 7 Oct 1996 10:50:19 -0600 (MDT)
Ferri_Pagano_at_STRM__Amsterdam1@******.com wrote:
|
| I'd a player once that liked to walk around with 20Kg of c12
|explosive in a backpack, and a total of 80Kg in his car. When the other
|players found out [after they had regained their color :) ] they forced
|him to drop the explosives

Was the character a Katie Go Boom shaman? ;)

(It's a reference to a cartoon character from Animaniacs, a
Warner Bros. cartoon show in the US. The character is a
girl in her late teens who explodes in a fit of rage on a
whim, causing wholesale damage.)

-David

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Message no. 5
From: Pete Sims <petesims@********.demon.co.uk>
Subject: Re: Smart Guns[f]
Date: Tue, 8 Oct 1996 03:51:03 +0100
In article <9609078447.AA844715047@********.stream.com>, Ferri_Pagano_at
_STRM__Amsterdam1@******.com writes
>Pete wrote..
><snip>
>%Had a player that was heavily into Panther Assault Cannons, a rather
>%weak Mage ISTR, unfortunately, he had an offer of purchasing some
>%ammunition *real cheap*, several thousand rounds in fact. What the
>%fixer didn't tell him was that it had been rejected as faulty by the
>%producing corp, and earmarked for disposal before the fixer
>%"acquired" it. The player bought a job lot. And lived to regret it,
>%Unfortunately he chose to use the ammo during the Queen Euphoria run,
>%those who've played it will know the section I mean? Damned embarrasing
>%when the belt blew up. =:-0
>
>..... Assault cannon BELT blew up? OUCH!, the effect of this would be
>like, for those of you that have played duke nukem 3d. the action before
>he says "let God Sort 'em out"...oww.

Sorry I should have said that the rounds cooked off, not actually that
the belt exploded", (and it was 50 rounds less what he'd fired), ran it
as a standard attack, he and the other players were in full military
specification armour, so they had a "lot" of protection. They did
however, end up in a "Pink Panther" condition, no armour, seriously
torn clothing, fragged equipment, blackened faces, and seriously
wounded, but they survived :). They had finished the game at this point
and decided to retire for a few months to the nearest hospital for
healing and repairs. :)

>
>%Poor guy, he never picked another assault cannon up again.
>
> I'd be surprised if he picked anything up again...100 round belt,...100
>times 18D damage...ouch.
See above 50 rounds, and he'd fired *about* 20 of those.
>
>%However, he did discover a penchant for LAW rockets, but that's another
>%story. :-)
>
> also in belts? :)
No, not quite, but in "bulk". He had 75 boxes each containing two
launchers :)
(Will he never learn that buying in bulk "cheap" is not a Good thing.)
:)

> I'd a player once that liked to walk around with 20Kg of c12
>explosive in a backpack, and a total of 80Kg in his car. When the other
>players found out [after they had regained their color :) ] they forced
>him to drop the explosives
> Ferri

My players found a different solution to my "Explosives fanatic", the
player in question carried about 40 lbs of CXII in his car. with
detonators remote devices etc. He got into some serious trouble with
Lone Star, when they picked him up outside "Underworld", his escape led
to some serious hurt, he was then dropped off at a Brotherhood hostel by
a "concerned" citizen who found him bleeding in the street, the
Brotherhood did what they could, and eventually a very nice man from
Arasaka offered him a deal to replace his fragged up cyberware. :) But
that's another story. :)

Pete
--
Pete Sims
Heroes or Fools? That's a determination others will make in hindsight. But by
being here now, we make that determination for ourselves, and it's neither.
Lt.Col.T.C.McQueen
Message no. 6
From: "Gurth" <gurth@******.nl>
Subject: Re: Re[2]: Smart Guns[f]
Date: Tue, 8 Oct 1996 13:19:52 +0100
Ferri_Pagano_at_STRM__Amsterd said on 15:05/ 7 Oct 96...

> %Poor guy, he never picked another assault cannon up again.
>
> I'd be surprised if he picked anything up again...100 round belt,...100
> times 18D damage...ouch.

With a nice GM, it might just have been 118D+33 :)

> I'd a player once that liked to walk around with 20Kg of c12
> explosive in a backpack, and a total of 80Kg in his car. When the other
> players found out [after they had regained their color :) ] they forced
> him to drop the explosives

One of the rare times I got to play, my character was planning a revenge
on the other PCs involving a stolen car, about 30 kg of explosive (C12,
C4, and commercial), and the apartment of two of the PCs... In the end, it
turned out to be unnecessary to bring this plan to a conclusion, because a
well-aimed LAW took care of them and the grenades they were carrying.

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