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Message no. 1
From: AirWisp <AirWisp@***.COM>
Subject: Smart Materials and Vehicles
Date: Fri, 2 Jan 1998 15:15:42 EST
On Fri, 2 Jan 1998 10:32:39 -0700 David Buehrer
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Message no. 2
From: Bruce Ford <shaman@*******.COM>
Subject: Re: Smart Materials and Vehicles
Date: Fri, 2 Jan 1998 18:23:48 -0700
>I only have one problem with melee combat: if both opponents have
>combat pools the characer with the higher initiative is at a
>disadvantage, assuming everything is more or less equal. Character A
>attacks character B and uses his combat pool. B uses his combat pool
>to defend. At the beginning of B's action phase his combat pool
>refreshes. B attacks and uses his combat pool. A defends but is out
>of combat pool. B thrashes A.

Thats true only in the event that that melee is the only thing either
character cares about / must spend combat pool on. Otherwise, going
more often makes it more likely you will have a full combat pool.

Nonetheless, it is a valid point, and a potential anoyance in 1 on 1
fights. I find it somewhat realistic, though- if you make the first
attack, and fail, you DO leave yourself open. More annoying is that the
attacked party can use full defense, get away clean, and I've chewed up
my combat pool attacking, so I can't do the same.

>
>I've fixed this by ruling that combat pool refreshes for everyone at
>the begining of combat, and then refreshes at the *end* of a
>character's action phase. It works like a charm :)

Really? Sounds good for melee, but what about those 14 combat pool UZI
toting speed samurai- they can blaze away for full effect and STILL have
thier whole combat pool for damage resistance when the survivors go.
OUCH.


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Date: Sat, 3 Jan 1998 02:01:45 +0000
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Message no. 3
From: Mon goose <landsquid@*******.COM>
Subject: Re: Smart Materials and Vehicles
Date: Fri, 2 Jan 1998 17:54:32 PST
>Yeah. Body's not gonna help you when that manabolt is turning you into
>toast....

No, but willpower SHOULD (unless your AIMING for a change in the effect
of magic).

>
>>
>> BUT
>>
>> If the spell is stun, i get to resist with Body OR Willpower? What's
the point of Mana combat spells (OHH, 1 less drain level <wanking
noise>)
>
>Mana!=Stun.

My Bad. I meant "if the spell is stun" Stun seems extra suckky out of
proportion- the "stun then kill" thing is not often a problem in our
games- I like to encourage "stun 'n' run". Why make those spells
resistable, but not physically daging ones? The sorce of damage is NOT
similar to a physically damaging weapon.

>Stun-spells are less effective (which is nice. Stops the "I stun him.
Then I cut his throat"-approach...), but id the mana-spell does physical
damage, it's just as tough...
>

Yes, the mana spell is just as nasty (nastier, often), but the mechanism
and target number / resisting attributte
Message no. 4
From: AirWisp <AirWisp@***.COM>
Subject: Re: Smart Materials and Vehicles
Date: Sat, 3 Jan 1998 08:53:35 EST
For me, the term "counter-attack" is used in one situation only.
And that situation is when someone attacks you on THEIR action, and you
attempt to defend yourself with combat pool. No combat pool, no counter
attack. Simple.

And IIRC, the rules state that only combat pool equal to the SKILL in
armed/unarmed combat can be used in this way.

So, if someone totally unskilled in combat was attacked, they could used
their combat pool only to dodge, NOT counter attack.

[Or am I getting mixed up with 1st Ed again.... GURTH!]
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Message no. 5
From: AirWisp <AirWisp@***.COM>
Subject: Re: Smart Materials and Vehicles
Date: Sat, 3 Jan 1998 08:55:58 EST
<grin>

It's entirely possible that Aztech will have a Ghost in the Machine quite
shortly :]

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Message no. 6
From: Mon goose <landsquid@*******.COM>
Subject: Re: Smart Materials and Vehicles
Date: Sat, 3 Jan 1998 07:00:02 PST
I think you get the gist.
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Date: Sat, 3 Jan 1998 09:15:54 EST
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Message no. 7
From: Bruce Ford <shaman@*******.COM>
Subject: Re: Smart Materials and Vehicles
Date: Sat, 3 Jan 1998 10:44:48 -0700
OK, so we've established that recording ALL 5 senses to a gard drive would
consume massive amounts of memory.
How about if we delete a few of the senses?

After all, does Bull really need his senses of smell and taste?

Hearing - yes, touch - yes, sight - definately.

But smell and taste are IMO of pretty minor when you consider that Bull's
life is on the line!

So let's say that we only record 3 of the five sense memory tracks of Bull's
brain, now how much space do we need? ;-)

Besides, I'd actually LIKE to have my memories of smell and taste "reset",
think how cool it would be to taste things like ice cream, or smell roses
again for the FIRST time!!

Steven A. Tinner
bluewizard@*****.com
http://www.ncweb.com/us
Message no. 8
From: Wyrmy <elfman@*****.NET>
Subject: Re: Smart Materials and Vehicles
Date: Sat, 3 Jan 1998 12:10:09 -0600
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Message no. 9
From: s c rose <scrose@****.COM>
Subject: Re: Smart Materials and Vehicles
Date: Sat, 3 Jan 1998 13:08:31 -0600
In a message dated 98-01-03 10:12:52 EST, barbie@**********.COM writes:

> I know all that Keith, but I was refering to the char Barbie,
> as phoenix shaman can she conjure spirits of the great firy firmament and
> to have on of those as an ally spirit could be possible then.
>
ACK!!! Firmament as a an Ally Spirit???? ACK!!!! RUN AWAY!!!! Help, Help,
Fire, get the water.... ;)

-K
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In a message dated 98-01-03 10:22:20 EST, vanyel@*******.NET writes:

> Well, you said it first. ;) I do think you are trying to design your way
> around something - but that's your right. I just don't agree. Yes, the
> two types of spells are different, and therefore follow some different
> laws. However, if you read my above example, you will see why I don't
> agree. Also, keep in mind that manipulation spells exist primarily on the
> physical plane. Therefore, IMO, they would be the LEAST likely type of
> spell to have any illusion-type effect on the astral (since less of t
Message no. 10
From: AirWisp <AirWisp@***.COM>
Subject: Re: Smart Materials and Vehicles
Date: Sun, 4 Jan 1998 00:10:48 EST
>> After months of research, Bull has finally embarked upon a cure.
>
>Whoah?
>
>> I'll spare the details, but it basically comes down to this.
>> Bull wants to upload his brain to online storage - essentially place his
>> mind inside a computer.
>
>Don't wendigos have the power of regeneration? Didn't bull lose his
>datajack as soon as he became a wendigo? Didn't his regenerative
>properties reject any cyberware?
>
Bull doesn;t regenerate... Yet...

Tinner's being WAY lenient with me on this, and we also caught the diseease
early on and Bull has been taking some major medication to slow it down,
but now's he's getting desperate...

At this stage, Bull looks like a wendigo (Big and Furry), craves meat, and
occasionally gets the urge to bite someone's head off, literally.
Basically, he's spent the last month locked up in a nice padded cell so
that he isn;t tempted to eat anyone...

Tinner basically ruled that Until Bull finally succumbs to the urge to eat
people and drain essence, he's not a "full" wendigo. See, he can be
nice... :]

>> Now being the fun-loving, good-natured GM that I am (Stop snickering!) I
>> have generously allowed this action.
>
>Heh, heh. That's pretty darn interesting. After seeing the multitudes of
>posts on this one I am quite amused.
>
I'm not :]
Message no. 11
From: Fade <runefo@***.UIO.NO>
Subject: Re: Smart Materials and Vehicles
Date: Sat, 3 Jan 1998 13:57:31 +0000
On 3 Jan 98 at 15:06, Barbie wrote:


[snipped the first thwap I ever got]

> Why in hell do you post only a :) as an reply without sniping the rest
> of the 2k and the sig, he?

Must have been sleeping... (I told you I was getting old :)

Tobias Berghoff a.k.a Zixx a.k.a. Charon, your friendly werepanther physad.

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Date: Mon, 5 Jan 1998 04:23:29 +0000
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From: Zixx <t_berghoff@*********.NETSURF.DE>
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Subject: Re: Cyberpirates prices
In-Reply-To: <199801042113.VAA24644@******.com>

On 4 Jan 98 at 21:19, Andy Gardner wrote:

> Just a quick check to see if I'm being stupid or cynical.
>
> In cyberpirates it lists the comparative costs of things compared to
> Seattle prices. I can't find Sex-Slaves in the Seatlle list, or any
> other lists for that matter.
>
> Is it therefore a good estimate to use the price of selling a person
> to an organ-legger (2nd Hand body parts at 30%) and the tripling it
> to get the live value ?

I'd say it's more important how good looking y
Message no. 12
From: Fade <runefo@***.UIO.NO>
Subject: Re: Smart Materials and Vehicles
Date: Mon, 5 Jan 1998 10:41:26 +0000
-Mb
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>Easy Gurth. I wasn't talking abou that being impossible, but about
hating a
>gun-nut to buy, say "assault rifle-ammo", cause IRL you don't go into a
>gun-shop and buy "assault rifle-ammo" or "heavy pistol-ammo", you
get
"5.56
>NATO FMJs" or ".45ACP JHP" or whatever....

Okay, then, YOU tell ME what kind of ammo goes into an Ares Predator.


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On 4 Jan 98 at 12:19, AirWisp wrote:

> In a message dated 98-01-04 07:53:25 EST, you write:
>
> > >I agree especially with Barbie as its controller...... :=<>
> >
> > What did this mean, realy? :)
> > You don`t the char, so how can you judge? :)
> >
> Barbi, I think Wyrmmi is somewhat afraid of having a woman in 'control', if
> you get my drift ....

LOL!

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Message no. 13
From: Mon goose <landsquid@*******.COM>
Subject: Re: Smart Materials and Vehicles
Date: Mon, 5 Jan 1998 11:47:07 PST
And verily, did Carsten Gehling hastily scribble thusly...
|
|This maybe a little Off-topic, but since Earthdawn and Shadowrun are =
|connected:
|
|When in the world-history is Earthdawn set? Around 2000 B.C. ? Or when? =
|My reason for asking is I have this crazy idea about sending my dear
Message no. 14
From: s c rose <scrose@****.COM>
Subject: Re: Smart Materials and Vehicles
Date: Tue, 6 Jan 1998 06:29:28 -0600
Besides, the military opposition does not need to get your exact =
position to kill you with some rounds of mortar or artillery (and =
believe me, they will "waste" that much ammo to get a sniper).

- Carsten

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Date: Tue, 6 Jan 1998 01:32:53 PST
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[snip Mike saying the jewish religion knew about cybermancy]
I said:

>> "The Jewish religion"? You mean as a whole? Funny, my gf is jewish
>> and it's news to her...
>>
>>
Lelahn Decker said:
>No sure if I shou
Message no. 15
From: AirWisp <AirWisp@***.COM>
Subject: Re: Smart Materials and Vehicles
Date: Tue, 6 Jan 1998 09:30:51 EST
Now I realise that my german is very poor ... :)
Vous êtes aussi bon en français qu'en allemend ?


Cobra.

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> I hope you're going to deal with language difficulties. I REALLY hope =
so.

Well, of course not.

I'm not going to deal with it - my PLAYERS are going to deal with it.
But sure, I have given it some thought and have my own ideas about how =
the NPC's are going to try with sounds and hand signals. But alot will =
be up to the players - no creativity, no communication.

> (Remember, Barsaive adepts have access to the "Learn & Speak language =
by
> just listening to someone speak for a few minutes" talent, but =
shadowrunners
> don't.)

Hmm... That will be an advantage - once they get to Barsaive. But before =
that, there
Message no. 16
From: AirWisp <AirWisp@***.COM>
Subject: Re: Smart Materials and Vehicles
Date: Wed, 7 Jan 1998 09:10:50 EST
Bull wrote:
/
[snip]
/
/ Bull
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Wow, Bull's .sig is almost as large as Hayden's was ;)

(BTW Bull, comparing you to Hayden is a compliment :)

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Date: Tue, 6 Jan 1998 20:53:24 -0700
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Subject: [OT] getting bored, having fun
In-Reply-To: <199801062348.QAA29861@******.carl.org> from "Spike" at Jan
6,
98 11:47:36 pm
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Spike wrote:
/
/ With fileball being the combat spall [snip[

Wouldn't that be a matrix utility? ;)

-David
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Message no. 17
From: "Graves, Durand E. (Temporary at ALCOA)" <Durand.Graves@*****.COM>
Subject: Re: Smart Materials and Vehicles
Date: Wed, 7 Jan 1998 09:17:24 -0500
At 08:53 PM 1/6/98 -0700, David Buehrer wrote these timeless words:
>Spike wrote:
>/
>/ With fileball being the combat spall [snip[
>
>Wouldn't that

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