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Message no. 1
From: Chris Yang <cyang@*****.UBC.CA>
Subject: Sniper
Date: Wed, 9 Jun 1993 20:45:52 PDT
Hey, I have a player in my campaign with a Barret Light 50 Sniping
Rifle. Mix this with a reflex recorder, specialization in rifle
and you get an effective skill level of 8. He definitely has 8
combat pool, and doesn't mind wasting it if the target is worth
it; besides, who's gonna pick HIM off at distances of half a mile.

Of course, he doesn't get to use it much. It's too bulky to carry
around, but if the runners are planning a meet, it's always nice
to have a helping hand watching over you...
Message no. 2
From: Ahern T Stephan <maxim@*******.MANKATO.MSUS.EDU>
Subject: Sniper....
Date: Tue, 15 Feb 1994 10:15:10 -0600
As you can tell from the subject, I want to make a sniper. What should I
assign for priorities (being he is going to be human)? And what equipment
should I give him? General suggestions are needed.
Message no. 3
From: The Powerhouse <P.C.Steele@*********.AC.UK>
Subject: Re: Sniper....
Date: Tue, 15 Feb 1994 16:49:02 +0000
In reply to Ahern T Stephan .....

> As you can tell from the subject, I want to make a sniper. What should I
> assign for priorities (being he is going to be human)? And what equipment
> should I give him? General suggestions are needed.

Ah, one of the most deadly things there are...

Ok, how about this.

Firearms 5 - Rifle 7 (Option to specialise in sniper rifle)
Stealth 6
Other skills to flesh out char...

Cyber eyes with flare comp, opto 3, low light and thermo.
Smart gun link.
Wired 3 (you could manage with 2, but you're much better off with 3)

Physical attributes assign as you wish, but go for high quickness, willpower
and intelligence to get a nice large combat pool.

Essentiatlly you really need TECH A with B and C placed wherever. Also you
need a sniper rifle :) Try explosive ammo for that little extra umph. Oh
and don't forget that silencer.

This next bit is what a friend of mine told me about snipers, I can't verify
any of it myself.

The sniper is a person who can conceal him/herself very well and open fire with
speed and accuracy when the target comes into range. Now range for most
sniper rifles will be about 600 m, so ignore the shadowrun range chart as it's
all cocked up anyway. One thing about the sniper is that it's targets don't
even get to hear the shot as the bullet is travelling faster than the speed
of sounds. All anyone hears is little plut sound as the bullet hits it's
target. After a sniper has fired a few rounds they ususally get up and leave
so as to not attract enemy fire to their position. They then begin to fire from
somewhere else.

Phill.
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Message no. 4
From: "Robert A. Hayden" <hayden@*******.MANKATO.MSUS.EDU>
Subject: Re: Sniper....
Date: Tue, 15 Feb 1994 12:36:03 -0600
On Tue, 15 Feb 1994, The Powerhouse wrote:

> Firearms 5 - Rifle 7 (Option to specialise in sniper rifle)

A sniper would spec in his rifle. "This is my rifle. There are many
like it, but this one is mine..."

> Stealth 6
> Other skills to flesh out char...

> Cyber eyes with flare comp, opto 3, low light and thermo.
> Smart gun link.
> Wired 3 (you could manage with 2, but you're much better off with 3)

Why? Snipers no not have to have itchy trigger fingers. They're slow,
pondering, squeezing the round off and then disappearing into the night.

> Essentiatlly you really need TECH A with B and C placed wherever. Also you
> need a sniper rifle :) Try explosive ammo for that little extra umph. Oh
> and don't forget that silencer.

Explosive ammo is bad. It makes a bang. A good sniper can fire, reaim
on a new target, and fire again all before the baddies the target is with
realize the target is dead. Explosive just tips everyone off. Go for
armour piercing.

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Message no. 5
From: Eric Christopher Trager <etrager@***.GWU.EDU>
Subject: Re: Sniper....
Date: Tue, 15 Feb 1994 13:41:53 -0500
On Tue, 15 Feb 1994, Ahern T Stephan wrote:

> As you can tell from the subject, I want to make a sniper. What should I
> assign for priorities (being he is going to be human)? And what equipment
> should I give him? General suggestions are needed.

Give the guy a high reaction/initiative (there are several methods to go
about doing this), a high firearms with a concentration in rifles, a
smartgun installment, cyber-eyes with flare comp, low-light, and vision
magnification, and a Ranger Arms SM-3 with all the goodies and APDS
ammunition (if you can get either one, especially the APDS, that's half
the battle)...or, if your GM's crazy, go for a morph-seeking rifle...

*whew*

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Message no. 6
From: Quick Key <WAHERN@******.RCN.MASS.EDU>
Subject: Re: Sniper....
Date: Tue, 15 Feb 1994 15:26:44 -0500
To build a sniper IMHO:
race 0
magic 1
attributes 2 20 points
tech 3 400,000
Skills 4 40 points

I've chosen this arrangement because it allows for purchase of some
rather expensive items including cyberware. If you want higher attribs
make tech 2 and attribs 3. I would still leave Skills at 4.

Personally I might consider building an assassin.
skills firearms, demolitions, projectiles, armed and unarmed combat,
maybe even chemistry for "creative bombings, etc...

Just my opinions folks.
wahern@***.mass.edu
Message no. 7
From: Nightfox <DJWA@******.UCC.NAU.EDU>
Subject: Re: Sniper....
Date: Tue, 15 Feb 1994 13:43:46 -0700
>Ok, how about this.
>
>Firearms 5 - Rifle 7 (Option to specialise in sniper rifle)
>Stealth 6
>Other skills to flesh out char...
+ B/R guns at about 3

>Cyber eyes with flare comp, opto 3, low light and thermo.
+ range finder

>Smart gun link.
>Wired 3 (you could manage with 2, but you're much better off with 3)
Don't really need wired, you just use a held action. Wired one should be fine

>
>Physical attributes assign as you wish, but go for high quickness, willpower
>and intelligence to get a nice large combat pool.
>
>Essentiatlly you really need TECH A with B and C placed wherever. Also you
>need a sniper rifle :) Try explosive ammo for that little extra umph. Oh
>and don't forget that silencer.
Or AP rounds

try getting these nifty things

Tactical Computer - says it all - but is way expensive
Muscle Augmentation/Replacements - they help dex + CP, Aug also adds to Reac
Enhance Articulation - +1 reaction, +1 dice to all physical skills
Cerebral Boost - increased int -> Reac + CP increase
Encephalon - same as Cerebral boost - yes you can have both
Suprathyroid - increased dex + reac. Increase food consumption.


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Message no. 8
From: What's this button do? <GRAFF85@********.CORTLAND.EDU>
Subject: Re: Sniper...
Date: Tue, 15 Feb 1994 16:11:38 -0400
IMHO:
keep the stats like everyone else has already posted (and I already deleted
(oops)) also add tactics like land along with a little Military Theory. Can't
hurt and you may be able to pick out a real nice spot to squeeze off a few
rounds along with routes for getting out...

BTW: did you just see the movie sniper?

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Message no. 9
From: Warlok <EHULTGRE@******.BITNET>
Subject: Re: Sniper....
Date: Tue, 15 Feb 1994 16:10:40 EST
I had a player make a sniper for one of my campaigns. Everything went well
until he got really cocky, figuring he was really hot sh*t). He slipped once
and got treated to the same stuff he dished out.(Shot through a window while he
was on the john!!<Can I dodge?? Yeah, RIGHT!!HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!>)
i don't really think they're a good type of character.
Just MYHO, mind you....

-Warlok
"Have you ever heard a Mac scream before dying?I have..It ain't pretty.."
Message no. 10
From: Michael Garoni <Michael_Garoni@****.INTERSOLV.COM>
Subject: Re: Sniper....
Date: Wed, 16 Feb 1994 09:37:00 LCL
>As you can tell from the subject, I want to make a sniper. What should I
>assign for priorities (being he is going to be human)? And what equipment
>should I give him? General suggestions are needed.

Needs high combat pool.
Smartgun Link
Magnification, probably built into cybereyes with Thermo, Lowlight Etc..
Firearms 6 (That's all you can start with)
-Concentrate in Rifles (Firearms 5, Rifles 7)
Maybe Specialise in an individual rifle type (we have a sniper in our team at
the moment. Combat pool of 9, Walther W2000 8. Rolls 16 dice to hit, with
optical mag 3 in his eyes and a S/G link)

Probably Attributes
Tech
Skills

A'Deus would be the best guy to ask about this area though. He was the GM who
assisted in the creation of the sniper character in our team.

-Obi Wan
Message no. 11
From: Ahern T Stephan <maxim@*******.MANKATO.MSUS.EDU>
Subject: Re: Sniper...
Date: Tue, 15 Feb 1994 18:13:35 -0600
On Tue, 15 Feb 1994, What's this button do? wrote:
> BTW: did you just see the movie sniper?
>
> --Dave
> -Head Case
> Love is only true when it cuts as you leave the person you have come to know
> almost as well as yourself.

Yes. Awsome movie. That just happens to be where I got the idea. :)
Message no. 12
From: David Feljer <FELKER58@********.CS.SNYBUF.EDU>
Subject: Re: Sniper....
Date: Tue, 15 Feb 1994 21:10:43 -0400
Some ideas for an sniper/assassin could include high firearms no
concentrations or specializations to use many types of guns with equal skill.
Specialize in armed or unarmed. High stealth
skill would be helpful. Cyberware could include retractable spurs, smartgun
link, cyberarms, rangefinder, cybereyes, boosted reflexes, thermographics,
and possibly a tactical computer, this would make you basically RoboCop.
Dikote on any edged weapon also, gas vent and silenecer on all guns.

-Christian Dark
Message no. 13
From: ewok slayer <jclegg@******.FSC.MASS.EDU>
Subject: sniper
Date: Tue, 15 Feb 1994 18:55:47 EST
Actually, I have a sniper for a character. (boy is he NASTY)
But don't go heavy on the smartgun. Smartguns are great for shootouts.
Snipers DON'T (I reapeat DON'T) get involved with shootouts. A sniper
will wait for a target and then shoot at them from a long range with something
like an armor pirceing round. What you NEED is a mag-scope. The best you can
get. And smartguns do not work with mag-scopes. Other than that, make youre
character someone who can blend in and make him/her someone with a cold hart.

* Darkstar
Message no. 14
From: Ioannis Fikouras <j07c@***.UNI-BREMEN.DE>
Subject: Re: Sniper
Date: Wed, 16 Feb 1994 12:46:01 +0100
About this Sniper, I know this deviates from the general
idea, but how about a physical adept-Sniper. He could get
A specialization in his sniping rifle giving him 8 dice
and another 6 dice from his physical adept abilities.
A grand total of 14 dice without even his combat pool !!!!

He could use the 1st priority for attributes:

Body: 5
Quickness: 6
Strength: 3
Intelligence: 6
Charisma: 4
Willpower: 6

And all the tech he needs (mag, flare comp, link) could be external
like in goggles or something. I dont thing that a sniper needs all
that initiative, after all he depends on the element of surprise
and let us not forget that the first shot is the one that counts.
Well with 14 dice + another 9 dice from his combat pool, that
makes it a total of 23 dice !!!!!!! I dont thing that this guy
can miss.

You could even sacrifice one magic point and get some cyberware
like a smart link and some better eyes or something. That still
leaves you with 22 dice and a target number of 2...
CAN U SCREAM POWERFULL !!!!!!!!!!
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Message no. 15
From: Michael Garoni <Michael_Garoni@****.INTERSOLV.COM>
Subject: Re: sniper
Date: Wed, 16 Feb 1994 17:00:00 LCL
Darkstar:
} Actually, I have a sniper for a character. (boy is he NASTY)
}But don't go heavy on the smartgun. Smartguns are great for shootouts.
}Snipers DON'T (I reapeat DON'T) get involved with shootouts. A sniper
}will wait for a target and then shoot at them from a long range with something
}like an armor pirceing round. What you NEED is a mag-scope. The best you can
}get. And smartguns do not work with mag-scopes. Other than that, make youre
}character someone who can blend in and make him/her someone with a cold hart.

Obi Wan:
I agree that Smartguns and Optical SCOPES don't work, but Smartguns do work with
Magnification installed in Cybereyes. I would still go for the S/G with cyber
eyes and Optical 3 in the eyes.
Message no. 16
From: The Powerhouse <P.C.Steele@*********.AC.UK>
Subject: Re: Sniper....
Date: Wed, 16 Feb 1994 13:03:57 +0000
In reply to Eric Christopher Trager .....

> the battle)...or, if your GM's crazy, go for a morph-seeking rifle...

Hey I'm not crazy and I gave one of my PC's a morph rifle.

Arrg gotta go, they're coming to take me away, ha ha, hee hee......

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Message no. 17
From: The Powerhouse <P.C.Steele@*********.AC.UK>
Subject: Re: Sniper....
Date: Wed, 16 Feb 1994 13:05:03 +0000
In reply to Nightfox .....

> try getting these nifty things
>
> Tactical Computer - says it all - but is way expensive
> Muscle Augmentation/Replacements - they help dex + CP, Aug also adds to
Reac
> Enhance Articulation - +1 reaction, +1 dice to all physical skills
> Cerebral Boost - increased int -> Reac + CP increase
> Encephalon - same as Cerebral boost - yes you can have both
> Suprathyroid - increased dex + reac. Increase food consumption.

Try getting a GM who allows this for beginning characters first......

Phill.
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Message no. 18
From: The Powerhouse <P.C.Steele@*********.AC.UK>
Subject: Re: sniper
Date: Wed, 16 Feb 1994 13:08:13 +0000
In reply to ewok slayer .....

> like an armor pirceing round. What you NEED is a mag-scope. The best you can
> get. And smartguns do not work with mag-scopes. Other than that, make youre

Scince when ? Smartguns always work with Optical Mag, wether external or
internal.

Btw, I still think that Wired 3 is a must for the sniper. This allows them
to shoot up to 6 people before the first bullet even hits.

Phill.
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Message no. 19
From: Matt <mosbun@******.CC.PURDUE.EDU>
Subject: Re: Sniper....
Date: Wed, 16 Feb 1994 09:42:07 -0500
Just as a note, a tactical computer would be useless for a sniper. The range
of a TacComp is that of a shotgun. Anything at the ranges a sniper would be
shooting at would be too far away for the computer to mark.

Matt
Message no. 20
From: ANGLISS@***.PSU.EDU
Subject: Re: Sniper....
Date: Wed, 16 Feb 1994 11:52:51 -0500
A GM who allows bioware for beginning characters? Gee, I do that all the time,
but then I also run high powered campaigns with more varients on the rules than
FASA has put out actual rules, but hey, that's me.

Brian
Message no. 21
From: Mauricio Gomez Pena <g9123745@******.UNIANDES.EDU.CO>
Subject: Re: Sniper....
Date: Wed, 16 Feb 1994 12:17:04 -0500
On Wed, 16 Feb 1994, Matt wrote:

> Just as a note, a tactical computer would be useless for a sniper. The rang
> of a TacComp is that of a shotgun. Anything at the ranges a sniper would be
> shooting at would be too far away for the computer to mark.
>
> Matt
>
WELL SAID
Message no. 22
From: Loki <jek5313@******.TAMU.EDU>
Subject: Re: sniper
Date: Wed, 16 Feb 1994 11:22:22 -0600
In reply by Phill to a reply by EwokSlayer:
>
> Scince when ? Smartguns always work with Optical Mag, wether external or
> internal.
>
> Btw, I still think that Wired 3 is a must for the sniper. This allows them
> to shoot up to 6 people before the first bullet even hits.
>

Smartlinks do not work with any magnification appliances unless both are
resident in the eyes of the sniper.

Scopes do not work w/ smartlink, unless both are resident in the same pair of
goggles and used at the same time.

There is no difference between eltro and optical mag in regards to the above.

If you have newer information I would be interested in seeing it.

So speaks the Acolyte of the First Church of Tom Dowd & Sam Lewis.



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Message no. 23
From: "I. M. Legion" <legion@***.SC.COLOSTATE.EDU>
Subject: Re: Sniper....
Date: Wed, 16 Feb 1994 10:36:12 -0700
Just thought I'd add in a touch of common sense to ruin everyone's day; :-)

A sniper would not necessarily *need* to have *any* kind of increased
reflexes; wired, boosted or otherwise -- for purposes of initiative.
The sniper would effectively be outside of the target's melee/combat
area for purposes of initiative. They sit in their "hide site" (that's
what their position is called), take good aim at the target and fire
when they have a good shot. The only thing the target would get to do
would be to make a body roll. Good luck.

Sniper:
Firearms 6: Rifle (sniper) 8
He can add up to 8 from his combat pool, (rifle is now at 16) he can aim
for up to four rounds(actions), use smartgun link and -mag3, now he's got
a TN of 2 (even with a couple of modifiers, like partial cover).
What more do you need? Just a good Stealth skill, Military Theory
and Firearms B/R, like a few other people have mentioned.

Besides, snipers have a motto: "One shot, one kill."
Snipers do *not* miss. People who think they are snipers miss.

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Message no. 24
From: Ahern T Stephan <maxim@*******.MANKATO.MSUS.EDU>
Subject: Re: Sniper
Date: Wed, 16 Feb 1994 11:50:55 -0600
On Wed, 16 Feb 1994, Ioannis Fikouras wrote:

> About this Sniper, I know this deviates from the general
> idea, but how about a physical adept-Sniper.

You know, I was thinking the same thing. But the magic part
got in the way. You know, sacrificing tech or somthing for magic. But,
that probably sounds a little MUNCHKINy. >:}
Message no. 25
From: The Powerhouse <P.C.Steele@*********.AC.UK>
Subject: Re: sniper
Date: Wed, 16 Feb 1994 18:06:09 +0000
In reply to Loki .....

> Smartlinks do not work with any magnification appliances unless both are
> resident in the eyes of the sniper.
> Scopes do not work w/ smartlink, unless both are resident in the same pair of
> goggles and used at the same time.

Where'd you get your info from. I've never seen this rule and I've been
playing long enough.

Phill.
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Message no. 26
From: Mauricio Gomez Pena <g9123745@******.UNIANDES.EDU.CO>
Subject: Re: sniper
Date: Wed, 16 Feb 1994 14:31:58 -0500
On Wed, 16 Feb 1994, Loki wrote:

> In reply by Phill to a reply by EwokSlayer:
> >
> > Scince when ? Smartguns always work with Optical Mag, wether external or
> > internal.
> >
> > Btw, I still think that Wired 3 is a must for the sniper. This allows them
> > to shoot up to 6 people before the first bullet even hits.
> >
>
> Smartlinks do not work with any magnification appliances unless both are
> resident in the eyes of the sniper.
>
> Scopes do not work w/ smartlink, unless both are resident in the same pair of
> goggles and used at the same time.
>
> There is no difference between eltro and optical mag in regards to the above.
>
> If you have newer information I would be interested in seeing it.
>
> So speaks the Acolyte of the First Church of Tom Dowd & Sam Lewis.
>
>
>
> --
>
>
> Dark Thought Publications & Doom Technologies, Inc.
> >>> Working on solutions best left in the dark.
> AS GM FOR THE COLOMBIAN GROUP , THE THOUGHT OF MY PLAYERS SMASHING THE
OPPOSITION FROM 7 BLOCKS AWAY WHILE CALMLY SIPPING SOYCAF IS APALLING. I
WILL PENALIZE THEM EVEN FOR RUNNING TO THE FIRING SITE. !! THAT IS NOT
THE SPIRIT OF SHADOWRUN COMBAT .
JUST LEARN TO LIKE GETTING SPLATTERED.

ANTHRAXAS
Message no. 27
From: Ahern T Stephan <maxim@*******.MANKATO.MSUS.EDU>
Subject: Re: Sniper....
Date: Wed, 16 Feb 1994 15:32:05 -0600
On Wed, 16 Feb 1994, The Powerhouse wrote:

> In reply to Eric Christopher Trager .....
>
> > the battle)...or, if your GM's crazy, go for a morph-seeking rifle...
>
> Hey I'm not crazy and I gave one of my PC's a morph rifle.
>
> Arrg gotta go, they're coming to take me away, ha ha, hee hee......
>
> --
> Phillip Steele - Email address P.C.Steele@***.ac.uk | Fighting against
> Department Of Electrical & Electronic Engineering | Political Correctness !
> University Of Newcastle Upon Tyne, England |
> Land of the mad Geordies | The Powerhouse


What is a morph-seeking rifle and what does it do?
Message no. 28
From: Joseph Cotton <Joseph.Cotton@*******.OIT.UNC.EDU>
Subject: Re: sniper
Date: Wed, 16 Feb 1994 16:36:00 EST
On Wed, 16 Feb 1994, The Powerhouse wrote:

>
> In reply to ewok slayer .....
>
> > like an armor pirceing round. What you NEED is a mag-scope. The best you
> > can get. And smartguns do not work with mag-scopes. Other than that,
> > make youre
>
> Scince when ? Smartguns always work with Optical Mag, wether external or
> internal.
>

I have never seen an "official" ruling on this one, so if someone has one,
I'd love to hear it.

One school of thought has it that since the description of vision mag systems
in the SSC says "..they work the same as scopes of the same rating..." (or
something like that, don't have my copy handy), and the Black Book says
in the description of imaging scopes "Scopes may not be used with smart-
link systems," then that pretty much precludes using mag-* + smartlink.
On the other hand, another group has it that since both the mag-* and
the smartlink use your eye, it should be possible to use them together.

Joe Cotton
Message no. 29
From: Schnood <cdjworks@******.DIGEX.NET>
Subject: Re: Sniper....
Date: Wed, 16 Feb 1994 19:55:22 -0500
>Hey I'm not crazy and I gave one of my PC's a morph rifle.

Eh? Hold on, are the characters working for Tir NaN Og? Is one of them
a follower of Cu Chulain (sp?)? Even so, I doubt they would let a morph
rifle into the hands of a 'runner. And if they didn't get it assigned to
them, it wouldn't work. It would blow up the first time they tried to
pick it up.

---
Not as clumsy or as random as a blaster.
Message no. 30
From: David Feljer <FELKER58@********.CS.SNYBUF.EDU>
Subject: Re: SNIPER
Date: Wed, 16 Feb 1994 23:57:23 -0400
A sniper/assassin would not always have a chance to kill a target from afar.
Wired reflexes and smartgun link would be good for those up close situations.
Do not specialize or concentrate in firearms. Predator 2,Remington
Roomsweeper,and the Ranger Arm 3M-S all fall under firearms. Check out the
movie "Point of No Return" you will see what I mean.
-Christian Dark
Message no. 31
From: Matt <mosbun@******.CC.PURDUE.EDU>
Subject: Re: SNIPER
Date: Thu, 17 Feb 1994 11:34:50 -0500
In "Point of No Return" what's-her-name wasn't just a sniper, she was an
assassin. A sniper is a very specialized kind of assassin.

Matt
Message no. 32
From: Loki <jek5313@******.TAMU.EDU>
Subject: Re: sniper
Date: Thu, 17 Feb 1994 12:09:16 -0600
Phill:
> Where'd you get your info from. I've never seen this rule and I've been
> playing long enough.


Well, to be perfectly honest, I don't know the page number, but it IS in
the black book. If you're playing SRI, I dunno at all.

In addition, not that anyone here will care, but both Tom Dowd and Sam
Lewis have issued corraborating and illuminating statements to further
illustrate this issue.

My previous statements are the paraphrased versions of these statements.

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Message no. 33
From: "The Annihilator (Lane Wells)" <bwells@***.ETC.BC.CA>
Subject: Re: SNIPER
Date: Thu, 17 Feb 1994 12:04:37 PST
> In "Point of No Return" what's-her-name wasn't just a sniper, she was an
>assassin. A sniper is a very specialized kind of assassin.
>
>Matt

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Message no. 34
From: "Brian C. Taylor" <taylob2@***.EDU>
Subject: Sniper
Date: Thu, 17 Feb 1994 16:06:04 -0500
While wired reflexes 3 will make anyone a combat goon I think a sinper would be
better off allocating a higher priority to skills. Giving him the ability to
crack security systems will greatly enhance his market value.

Not to flame you Phil but putting explosive rounds in a silenced weapon is a
classic rookie mistake. APDS is definately the way to go.

If you want to munchkin swap that sniper rifle w/ a medium machinegun and
really rock and roll. The range is just fine and it takes a silencer as well
as a sniper rifle. In the real world it wouldn't be anywhere near as accurate
but who ever said munchkins lived in the real world.

Spater tagen und besser lagen
Message no. 35
From: What's this button do? <GRAFF85@********.CORTLAND.EDU>
Subject: Re: Sniper
Date: Thu, 17 Feb 1994 17:19:58 -0400
Well I must say that point of no return, although lacking real plot line, is a
realy good example of something that you could do for an interesting
character....npc possibly...have him very mysterious (who isn't in sr?)
and will leave all of a sudden like he was talking to god directly and god said
"do this.."...or maybe just have someone that is programmed although they don't
know it....keywords, cyberphone/radio message, reciever in cybereye that hits
off subliminals (kinda like when the romulans on TNG captured LaForge and had
programmed him but were controling him through narrow band bursts that only his
visor would see and translate subliminally into instructions), or cyber ear for
that matter...you should get the idea....

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Message no. 36
From: Twist <winterh@******.EMICH.EDU>
Subject: Re: SNIPER
Date: Thu, 17 Feb 1994 22:06:18 EDT
> > In "Point of No Return" what's-her-name wasn't just a sniper, she was
an
> >assassin. A sniper is a very specialized kind of assassin.
>
> What's-her-name = Bidgette Fonda = )
>
That's only because you pansies have only seen the American version.
The _original_ film was a french film by the name of "La Femme Nikita".

Waycool if you can dig subtitles. :)
Message no. 37
From: Stainless Steel Rat <ratinox@***.NEU.EDU>
Subject: Re: SNIPER
Date: Thu, 17 Feb 1994 22:24:41 -0500
>>>>> "T" == Twist <winterh@******.emich.edu> writes:

T> That's only because you pansies have only seen the American version.
T> The _original_ film was a french film by the name of "La Femme Nikita".
T> Waycool if you can dig subtitles. :)

Big couple of thumbs-up in this corner. ``La Femme Brigitta'' (as a friend
of mine dubbed that attrocious ``American'' version) takes an absolutely
wonderful, suspensful thriller and turns it into just another action-
adventure film. If you liked Brigitta, don't bother with Nikita; you'll
hate it, I can garuntee it. If you didn't like Brigitta, then there's
probably hope for you so see Nikita.

BTW, how many people caught the replay of a scene from Robocop in La Femme
Nikita?

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Message no. 38
From: Loki <jek5313@******.TAMU.EDU>
Subject: Re: SNIPER
Date: Thu, 17 Feb 1994 21:13:48 -0600
> That's only because you pansies have only seen the American version.
> The _original_ film was a french film by the name of "La Femme Nikita".
>
> Waycool if you can dig subtitles. :)
>
>

Damn STRAIGHT. Good flick, though not very happy. More Cyberpunkish than
I usually like to get.

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Message no. 39
From: Graeme Collin <graeme@****.CO.UK>
Subject: Re: SNIPER
Date: Fri, 18 Feb 1994 11:03:04 GMT
>> In "Point of No Return" what's-her-name wasn't just a sniper, she was
an
>>assassin. A sniper is a very specialized kind of assassin.
>>
>>Matt

>What's-her-name = Bidgette Fonda = )

The movie "Point of No Return" was actually titled "The Assassin" over
here in
the U.K. :)


Graeme.
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Message no. 40
From: Dave Sherohman <esper@*****.IMA.UMN.EDU>
Subject: Re: sniper
Date: Fri, 18 Feb 1994 09:46:52 -0600
>In reply to Loki .....

>> Smartlinks do not work with any magnification appliances unless both are
>> resident in the eyes of the sniper.
>> Scopes do not work w/ smartlink, unless both are resident in the same pair of
>> goggles and used at the same time.

>Where'd you get your info from. I've never seen this rule and I've been
>playing long enough.

>Phill.

SR2, p. 240, in the paragraph on "Imaging Scopes:"
Scopes may not be used with smartlink systems.

The listing for the magnification implants in SSC says that they work just
like scopes in all ways, but (after much debate here), DLOH was asked about
it and replied that mag implants _are_ compatible with smartgun implants;
the same would presumably be true of external smartgoggles and scopes _if_
both are components of the same device. (If not, the smartlink will provide
inaccurate data (or, at least, it will appear to) because it doesn't know
that a section of your field of vision is being distorted.)

esper@***.umn.edu
Message no. 41
From: Nightfox <DJWA@******.UCC.NAU.EDU>
Subject: Re: SNIPER
Date: Fri, 18 Feb 1994 14:20:38 -0700
>That's only because you pansies have only seen the American version.
>The _original_ film was a french film by the name of "La Femme Nikita".
>
>Waycool if you can dig subtitles. :)

I actually saw that movie first - and I like it better than point of no return.
But PonR had its good points - and I was really happy to see that they didn't
massacre the movie - they just made it have more action for American audiences
and they still kept the unhappy ending (a thing you hardly see in American
movies - especially action ones)


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Message no. 42
From: Mac Herder <EHULTGRE@******.BITNET>
Subject: Re: SNIPER
Date: Fri, 18 Feb 1994 19:09:34 EST
Us pansies here at KSU are showing La Femme Nikita (again, I might add) for our
French film week. Sponseored by International Film Society.

-Warlok
Message no. 43
From: "Robert A. Hayden" <hayden@*******.MANKATO.MSUS.EDU>
Subject: Re: SNIPER
Date: Fri, 18 Feb 1994 19:11:46 -0600
Good sniper that everyone has failed to mention?

'God' in the movie Navy Seals.

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Message no. 44
From: "I. M. Legion" <legion@***.SC.COLOSTATE.EDU>
Subject: Re: SNIPER
Date: Sun, 20 Feb 1994 14:38:10 -0700
Fearless Leader writes:
> Good sniper that everyone has failed to mention?
>
> 'God' in the movie Navy Seals.

Although the rifle used in Navy Seals is for real, the rest of the sniper
stuff is too Hollywood to give any credence to the ideal.

Something else we've left out of this discussion: snipers almost _always_
work with a partner called a spotter. The spotter is another pair of eyes
as well as a qualified sniper. He also works the radio and has a smaller
weapon, usually an assault rifle or sub-machinegun for close-in problems
that may pop up.

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Message no. 45
From: "Skrub." <mccllstr@*****.BUCKNELL.EDU>
Subject: Re: SNIPER
Date: Mon, 21 Feb 1994 08:29:00 -0500
> Something else we've left out of this discussion: snipers almost _always_
> work with a partner called a spotter. The spotter is another pair of eyes


This is a good point. Assuming we want our sniper to be
professionally trained by a corp or gov't and to have somehow broken
away. Assuming also that a sniper and another sniper usually work as a
close team and are together lots... An added roleplaying element is a
buddy with similar skills. This puts pressure on GM to keep track of
another NPC, but. If the sniper is doing what he is trained for w/out a
spotter he'll be uncomfortable, he's used to it. If his buddy left the
old job with him they are a team. Just a thought.

Skrub.
Message no. 46
From: What's this button do? <GRAFF85@********.CORTLAND.EDU>
Subject: Re: Sniper
Date: Mon, 21 Feb 1994 10:11:21 -0400
ok I think that in the case of God the rifles effects were a bit unrealistic,
but the Navy SEALs do use the Barret. I saw a run down of SEAL weaponry in a
pop mechanics a year or two back. The Barret was listed as a Equipment: M-82-A1
I think, not sure though...

I also had an idea to kind of eliminate the spotter stuff: Ares Rangefinder.
Yes I did see Sniper, but wouldn't a one man unit w/ rifle and maybe an smg be
a little more concealable/unnoticeable?

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Message no. 47
From: Stainless Steel Rat <ratinox@***.NEU.EDU>
Subject: Re: SNIPER
Date: Mon, 21 Feb 1994 12:27:48 -0500
>>>>> "Skrub" == Skrub <Skrub.> writes:

>> Something else we've left out of this discussion: snipers almost _always_
>> work with a partner called a spotter. The spotter is another pair of eyes
Skrub> An added roleplaying element is a buddy with similar skills.

Just for shits and giggles, make the ``buddy'' a lover. How about a rivalry
as to who performs which function (``I played spotter last time! It's my
turn to shoot.'')

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Message no. 48
From: Matt <mosbun@******.CC.PURDUE.EDU>
Subject: Re: Sniper
Date: Mon, 21 Feb 1994 12:53:30 -0500
The purpose for the spotter is a little different that than that, I think.
When you're looking through a scope, you have a very narrow field of view. The
spotter helps make up for that. I'm really not sure if Op-3 vision would
make this unnecessary or not, though. It seems like you'd still have a very
small field of view, even with Op-3 instead of a scope.
The spotter also has the function of watching the sniper's back while he's
shooting.

Matt
Message no. 49
From: "Robert A. Hayden" <hayden@*******.MANKATO.MSUS.EDU>
Subject: Re: SNIPER
Date: Mon, 21 Feb 1994 12:30:33 -0600
On Mon, 21 Feb 1994, Stainless Steel Rat wrote:

> Just for shits and giggles, make the ``buddy'' a lover. How about a rivalry
> as to who performs which function (``I played spotter last time! It's my
> turn to shoot.'')

Worse, imagine them as toons. Yakko, Wakko and Dot.

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Message no. 50
From: Timothy Dann <C598706@*******.BITNET>
Subject: Re: Sniper
Date: Mon, 21 Feb 1994 16:39:23 CST
For all of you out there: God's rifle is based on the 20mm rifle that the
Rangers and SF use today. From a friend in Airborne, it can be made accurate
to over 4000 feet through the use of scope adjustments and a very experienced
sniper. It is supposed to be extremely loud, but the round will take a man's
head CLEAN OFF. Not bad from a half mile or so, with excellent accuracy.

Tim Dann aka Midnight Sting
Message no. 51
From: THE CAPTAIN LOVES ME <tbriggs@******.FSC.MASS.EDU>
Subject: Re: Sniper
Date: Mon, 21 Feb 1994 18:13:12 EST
the gun god uses in Navy Seals is a Barrett Light 50 caliber sniping rifle
look it up before you preach about it. THWAP
Message no. 52
From: Stainless Steel Rat <ratinox@***.NEU.EDU>
Subject: Re: Sniper
Date: Mon, 21 Feb 1994 18:44:00 -0500
>>>>> "TCLM" == THE CAPTAIN LOVES ME
<tbriggs@******.FSC.MASS.EDU> writes:

TCLM> the gun god uses in Navy Seals is a Barrett Light 50 caliber sniping
TCLM> rifle look it up before you preach about it. THWAP

The Barret Light 50, also known as the Barret Model 82A1 (or Barret-82) is
a semi-automatic rifle firing the 12.7mm machine gun round. It is intended
for anti-personnel use. The Barret Model 80 (or Barret-80) is a
semi-automatic rifle firing a unique 12.7mm round intended just for it
(standard 12.7mm machine gun rounds will not fit in the chamber, nor will
Barret-80 rounds fit in any other weapon). It is intended for light
anti-armor use.

The Light 50 does /not/ have the power to punch through 2 feet of solid
stone in a single shot; whereas the 80 not only can do so it can punch
through most light armor, and can even damage the tracks of an MBT (though
it cannot penetrate the heavy armor of a tank's body).

Before you flame, check your sources.

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Message no. 53
From: Ahern T Stephan <maxim@*******.MANKATO.MSUS.EDU>
Subject: Sniper....
Date: Sun, 10 Apr 1994 13:12:51 -0500
Ok, ok you can (I have never used this term before) THWAP me for bringing
this back up, but could someone send me a sniper character. I am making
on right now but it seems that I am missing something.

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