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Message no. 1
From: Justin Fisher <jpf4@***.AC.UK>
Subject: snow
Date: Mon, 28 Nov 1994 13:13:40 +0000
Are you serious, snow in the U.S. before the U.K. I suppose we have had the
mildest November since records began in 1908 (Which high level initate tweeked
the 'control countries weather spell' to a '
Message no. 2
From: Dwayne MacKinnon <910252m@******.ACADIAU.CA>
Subject: Re: snow
Date: Mon, 28 Nov 1994 13:30:55 -0400
Well,
I'm in Wolfville, Nova Scotia, CANADA, and we just got our first snow
today. Something strange is going on here.... can Harlequin control the
weather? :-) :-) :-)

DMK

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Message no. 3
From: dhinkley@***.ORG
Subject: Snow
Date: Sun, 5 Jan 1997 00:40:19 +0000
For those that have not been following the storms that have hit the
Pacific Northwest. Seattle was hit with a one two punch frozen rain,
snow and then (relatively) warm rains. The result was flooded streets,
collapsed roofs, falling trees, power failures and even delays in food
deliveries to stores. While this is atypical weather for the area
(they got the equivalent of a years snow in one day) it does suggest a
few interesting twists that could be added to a Seattle based run. Or
other areas (I believe that the weather on the far side of the pond
has also been less then pleasant :-) ) for that matter.

One other related thought, is an invisible person still invisible
when he is standing in falling snow? :-)





David Hinkley
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Message no. 4
From: Dvixen <dvixen@********.COM>
Subject: Re: Snow
Date: Sun, 5 Jan 1997 01:10:52 -0800
David Hinkley wrote:

Waves at an almost neighbour.
(I'm on the near side of the pond. Vancouver Island)

> For those that have not been following the storms that have hit the
> Pacific Northwest. Seattle was hit with a one two punch frozen rain,
> snow and then (relatively) warm rains. The result was flooded streets,
> collapsed roofs, falling trees, power failures and even delays in food
> deliveries to stores. While this is atypical weather for the area
> (they got the equivalent of a years snow in one day) it does suggest a
> few interesting twists that could be added to a Seattle based run.

I was just wondering that myself. Could you imagine trying to do an
extraction in a blizzard? Which is what they are calling the weather
system that hits us, Go fig. It was only 3-6 feet of snow, depending on
where you were. In two and a half days... (Most in 80+ years) The island
here was completely isolated, no ferries to the mainland were running for
two days. Buses weren't running, groceries were closed, as were the banks,
you name it, nothing was open. How do you conduct Shadow business in these
conditions?

I really can't picture a Johnson wading through three feet of snow to get
to a meet. Or a Street Sam wearing Xcountry skiis on a job. A mage with a
tobogann? Is a dragon going to go and volunteer to help out? I don't think
so.

> One other related thought, is an invisible person still invisible
> when he is standing in falling snow? :-)

Snow couldn't possibly fall through the character so I guess there would
be this odd pocket of no-snow where the invisible person/item would be.
I've got to remember that...

I guess an invisible person leaves a trail in the snow...

Sleep time! 44 hours, whups, 45 hours w/o sleep. Can we say irritable?
(Kinda like the Totem of Sea...) Have I made any sense?

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Message no. 5
From: Spike <u5a77@*****.CS.KEELE.AC.UK>
Subject: Re: Snow
Date: Sun, 5 Jan 1997 16:36:49 +0000
|One other related thought, is an invisible person still invisible
|when he is standing in falling snow? :-)

Anything the invisible person picks up.... That's a point....

Do things carried by the person regain visibility when dropped and become
invisible when picked up again?

I'm not too sure on this one, because I'm sure things have vanished when
invisible characters picked them up in some of the books, but the books
aren't cannon....

Then again, in games I've played, it was required to drop a tool so that it
bacame visible and then use it so you could see what you were doing with it.
(Because it remained visible after it was picked up again....)

If items picked up become invisible, then the snow landing on the character
would as well.....

If he was knee deep in flood water however......
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Message no. 6
From: Tim Cooper <tpcooper@***.CSUPOMONA.EDU>
Subject: Re: Snow
Date: Sun, 5 Jan 1997 21:01:27 -0800
On Sun, 5 Jan 1997, Dvixen wrote:

> David Hinkley wrote:
>
> I was just wondering that myself. Could you imagine trying to do an
> extraction in a blizzard? Which is what they are calling the weather
> system that hits us, Go fig. It was only 3-6 feet of snow, depending on
> where you were. In two and a half days... (Most in 80+ years) The island
> here was completely isolated, no ferries to the mainland were running for
> two days. Buses weren't running, groceries were closed, as were the banks,
> you name it, nothing was open. How do you conduct Shadow business in these
> conditions?
>
> I really can't picture a Johnson wading through three feet of snow to get
> to a meet. Or a Street Sam wearing Xcountry skiis on a job. A mage with a
> tobogann? Is a dragon going to go and volunteer to help out? I don't think
> so.

In a way, a well planned run during a blizzard (with the blizard planned
for..) could be a great success. Nothing open, no one around, no easy way
to respond to problems... I also see a major benefit from the use of
nature spirits (guard, movement, etc..)

>
> > One other related thought, is an invisible person still invisible
> > when he is standing in falling snow? :-)
>
> Snow couldn't possibly fall through the character so I guess there would
> be this odd pocket of no-snow where the invisible person/item would be.
> I've got to remember that...
>
> I guess an invisible person leaves a trail in the snow...

Don't forget the snow resting on their hat and shoulders...

> --
> Dvixen/Snow Leopard dvixen@********.com
>


~Tim
Message no. 7
From: Bull <chaos@*****.COM>
Subject: Re: Snow
Date: Mon, 6 Jan 1997 01:48:46 -0500
At 12:40 AM 1/5/97 +0000, you wrote:
>For those that have not been following the storms that have hit the
>Pacific Northwest. Seattle was hit with a one two punch frozen rain,
>snow and then (relatively) warm rains. The result was flooded streets,
>collapsed roofs, falling trees, power failures and even delays in food
>deliveries to stores. While this is atypical weather for the area
>(they got the equivalent of a years snow in one day) it does suggest a
>few interesting twists that could be added to a Seattle based run. Or
>other areas (I believe that the weather on the far side of the pond
>has also been less then pleasant :-) ) for that matter.
>
Yeah, and that Storm should be hitting Ohio tonight or tomorrow night...:(

>One other related thought, is an invisible person still invisible
>when he is standing in falling snow? :-)
>
Well, that depends on your definition of Invisible...

Yes, he's invisible... But someone might notice a patch of air where the
snow isn't going through, and where the snow is landing and melting...

Plus, standing in snow tends to leave tracks...:):):)

Bull-the-snow-ork

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Message no. 8
From: MC23 <mc23@****.NET>
Subject: Re: Snow
Date: Sun, 5 Jan 1997 12:48:43 -0500
dhinkley@***.ORG wrote,

>One other related thought, is an invisible person still invisible
>when he is standing in falling snow? :-)

Yes, or is the question could another character see a void left by
the invisible characters presence. Play this one as you like, but my off
the cuff rule would be the spotter in question could possibly get his
target number reduced if the invisible character was close enough.
Another valid question of mine would be how to write a spell to
cloak your body heat from physical sensors as opposed to dwarves and
trolls.




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Message no. 9
From: The Jestyr <jestyr@*******.DIALIX.COM.AU>
Subject: Re: Snow
Date: Tue, 7 Jan 1997 11:03:37 +1100
> In a way, a well planned run during a blizzard (with the blizard planned
> for..) could be a great success. Nothing open, no one around, no easy way
> to respond to problems... I also see a major benefit from the use of
> nature spirits (guard, movement, etc..)

Hmmm... a blizzard would really be a bitch to work in, but one of our most
successful runs was worked during a heavy rainstorm. Let the shaman summon
a storm spirit (electrical projection, hee hee); made the thermo sensors
on the building's roof a lot less useful... I love Seattle weather. :)

Lady Jestyr

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Message no. 10
From: 'Spaceman' WD Lee <spaced@*.WASHINGTON.EDU>
Subject: Re: Snow
Date: Mon, 6 Jan 1997 11:48:52 -0800
As someone who was with his parents along the Hood Canal (we got
2.5 feet of snow and additional rain) I've got an idea for a run. I'm a
military brat, and my folks were living on Bangor Subase (The trident base
that's now in S-S Council territory now, I guess). Anyway, we were flooded
out of the house, and the Navy was forced to move us to new quarters
immediately. They settled us in a small block of housing on Bainbridge
Island. Now what if this sort of thing happened to a corporate research
lab, where some top brainpower was kept? what if what they were
researching was a viral agent? what if the flood swept the active agent
away into the water system? unintentional viral terrorism?

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Message no. 11
From: Denzil Kruse <dkruse@***.AZ05.BULL.COM>
Subject: Re: Snow
Date: Mon, 6 Jan 1997 13:10:00 MST
>One other related thought, is an invisible person still invisible
>when he is standing in falling snow? :-)

Well, the invisiblity spell doesn't make you invisible, it makes you harder
see. The description says that successes add to a viewers target # when
trying to percieve or target you. So the fact that you are standing in
falling snow, rain, fog or whatever, has no bearing on your invisibility.
Actually, the falling snow would also have modifiers to target #s and
perception, so the snow would add to the spell to make you harder to
percieve.

This is not D&D invisibility, but more like a blending or chamleon power. I
guess if you made enough successes, you could be completely invisible in
broad daylight, and then the DM would add in penalties liking leaving bloody
footprints behind, or stepping in puddles.

The better invisibility power is a spirit's concealment power, and that
power, since it works on the mind of whoever is viewing it, will compensate
for any holes, puddles, or whatever evidence of the invisible person. As
long as the invisible person doesn't leave the spirit's domain.

> Another valid question of mine would be how to write a spell to
>cloak your body heat from physical sensors as opposed to dwarves and
>trolls.

It would be as easy as any other spell to create. The question is, should
the DM allow it? Like teleportation, this would change the campaign, and
the DM should think about it before he allows it. The fact that
thermographic vision negates invisibility is important and worked into
securtiy strategies off corps and affects the runner's strategies and
stealth tactics.

There is a reason why this is a rule, but it could be changed. And the rest
of the world would change with it. Come up with different sensors, and
cybereyes with ultrasound would become more commonplace, for example.

>Do things carried by the person regain visibility when dropped and become
>invisible when picked up again?
>
>I'm not too sure on this one, because I'm sure things have vanished when
>invisible characters picked them up in some of the books, but the books
>aren't cannon....

Everything you are holding and everything that falls on you becomes part of
the spell as well because you are masking yourself and everything within
maybe a few feet. (Feet? What is this slot talking about?). If you pick
up a body or have a long or huge weapon, the rules don't say what to do. I
would either reduce the target # to be seen, or increase the target # of the
invisiblity spell to cover a slightly bigger area. Or maybe withhold dice
from the spellcasting test to increase the area of invisiblity (like in area
of effect spells).

Denzil Kruse
d.kruse@****.com
Message no. 12
From: "Arno R. Lehmann" <arlehma@***.NET>
Subject: Re: Snow
Date: Wed, 8 Jan 1997 02:03:02 +0100
On Sun, 5 Jan 1997 16:36:49 +0000, Spike wrote:

>Anything the invisible person picks up.... That's a point....

I think everything that is enveloped by the charakters aura will be
invisible. Clothes, little tools, even small handguns, but sorry, no
assault cannons :(
At least we played it thus, but anyway, I got no references ...

-- Arno
Message no. 13
From: "Arno R. Lehmann" <arlehma@***.NET>
Subject: Re: Snow
Date: Wed, 8 Jan 1997 01:05:47 +0100
On Sun, 5 Jan 1997 00:40:19 +0000, dhinkley@***.ORG wrote:

>One other related thought, is an invisible person still invisible
>when he is standing in falling snow? :-)
>
We always played it thus:
Your silhouette is visible in snow, heave rain, even thick fog. But of
course it is rather difficult to recognize.
A roll (Int) with TN 8 seems appropriate for heavy snow for me, windy
weather or only little snow falling would make things more difficult,
and the distance from where you try to see the invisible one is
important. After all, I would define the final TN by intuition (and
experiance with snow) somewhere between 6 and 10.
A little bit easier is to follow an invisible person with your looks,
for example when you don't want to shoot the teams mage accitentially.
-- Arno

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