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Message no. 1
From: me@******.net (Hexren)
Subject: Software Crusades (was Re: Re[3]: Character Dossier & Permission
Date: Fri, 20 Feb 2004 13:46:35 +0100
A> On 20 Feb 2004 at 10:57, Gurth wrote:

>> According to Hexren, on Thursday 19 February 2004 21:12 the word on the
>> street was...
>>
>> > I mean everybody with some exel experince can make Sheets can't
A> he ;)
>>
>> And kill two birds with one stone that way: make a character sheet,
A> and
>> prove they have no clue about using the right tool for a job :P
>>
A> Of course, everybody knows that Emacs is the best tool for designing
A> character sheets :)
A> <Sidesteps religious war about the best text editor>

A> Snide comments aside, and getting back on topic - do you think there
A> still heated debates about the best Text Editor/Browser/Operating
A> System in 2063?
A> The Vi/Emacs question has been unresolved for more years than I have
A> been alive, and while it appeared that Microsoft had destroyed Apple
A> a few years ago, OS X has revived that debate. (Not to mention Linux,
A> the upstart in the OS wars.)

A> It seems to me that a lot of the exact same questions will be
A> discussed in 59 years, but the Shadowrun rulebooks indicate a much
A> more homogenous computing environment.

A> ---
A> "Are all men from the future loud mouth braggarts?"
A> "Nope, just me baby. Just me."
A> King Arthur and Ash - Army of Darkness

---------------------------------------------

ofcourse I am sorry please reblace all references to a product "exel"
that I made with <your favorite text/spreadshet proggy>.

By the way I I think the Shadowrun Matrix rules and descriptions are
so abstract that you can't draw conclusions to the underling
technique from them. I mean html looks the roughly the same for
everybody regardless if it is served by MS Web Information Server or
an Apache running on Linux/Unix/whatever or something else. So coud it
be with the Matrix. I think
Message no. 2
From: justin@***********.net (Justin)
Subject: Software Crusades (was Re: Re[3]: Character Dossier & Permission
Date: Fri, 20 Feb 2004 09:05:10 -0500
Asher wrote:

> On 20 Feb 2004 at 10:57, Gurth wrote:
>
>
>>According to Hexren, on Thursday 19 February 2004 21:12 the word on the
>>street was...
>>
>>
>>>I mean everybody with some exel experince can make Sheets can't
>
> he ;)
>
>>And kill two birds with one stone that way: make a character sheet,
>
> and
>
>>prove they have no clue about using the right tool for a job :P
>>
>
> Of course, everybody knows that Emacs is the best tool for designing
> character sheets :)

Nonono. vi

> Snide comments aside, and getting back on topic - do you think there
> still heated debates about the best Text Editor/Browser/Operating
> System in 2063?

I'm sure there will be. And not just text editing either.


> It seems to me that a lot of the exact same questions will be
> discussed in 59 years, but the Shadowrun rulebooks indicate a much
> more homogenous computing environment.

Well, I'm not sure about homogenous, but the environments cooperate with
each other much more seamlessly.
Message no. 3
From: gurth@******.nl (Gurth)
Subject: Software Crusades (was Re: Re[3]: Character Dossier & Permission
Date: Fri, 20 Feb 2004 19:21:15 +0100
According to Hexren, on Friday 20 February 2004 13:46 the word on the
street was...

> ofcourse I am sorry please reblace all references to a product "exel"
> that I made with <your favorite text/spreadshet proggy>.

And he scores again! ;) I make a character sheet with DTP software, and
without access to that, I'd use in a word processor with some DTP
features. Of course, you can use a spreadsheet, a text editor, or even a
bitmap editor, but it's a bit like hammering nails into a wall using the
back end of a screwdriver...

> By the way I I think the Shadowrun Matrix rules and descriptions are
> so abstract that you can't draw conclusions to the underling
> technique from them. I mean html looks the roughly the same for
> everybody regardless if it is served by MS Web Information Server or
> an Apache running on Linux/Unix/whatever or something else. So coud it
> be with the Matrix. I think

HTML is not an operating system, but a way to format data for human
consumption -- OTOH, KDE (http://www.kde.org) looks a lot like Windows
(http://www.microsoft.com/windows), too, but the two are not at all the
same. Not that I'm sure where I'm going with this comparison, though,
except to say that 1) you should be careful when claiming things where it
comes to computers, and 2) looks can be deceiving :)

--
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Message no. 4
From: gurth@******.nl (Gurth)
Subject: Software Crusades (was Re: Re[3]: Character Dossier & Permission
Date: Fri, 20 Feb 2004 19:29:02 +0100
According to Justin, on Friday 20 February 2004 15:05 the word on the
street was...

> > Of course, everybody knows that Emacs is the best tool for designing
> > character sheets :)
>
> Nonono. vi

Why not use ed? (It's probably my total inexperience with it, but I just
had to kill it in order to even exit :)

> Well, I'm not sure about homogenous, but the environments cooperate with
> each other much more seamlessly.

I figure that in SR, there will be a few different operating systems, but
that, like today, you can make them talk to each other as a matter of
course. The average user probably doesn't need to worry at all about
installing and configuring Salsa to make a UniSK(tm) desktop PC talk to a
laptop running Microdeck HoloWindows(R) Millenium-And-A-Half Amateur
Edition -- one or both will recognize the other and configure itself
accordingly, letting the user work on as if nothing happened.

--
Gurth@******.nl - Stone Age: http://www.xs4all.nl/~gurth/index.html
You've been touched by the doubt of man
-> Probably NAGEE Editor * ShadowRN GridSec * Triangle Virtuoso <-
-> The Plastic Warriors Page: http://plastic.dumpshock.com <-

GC3.12: GAT/! d- s:- !a>? C++(---) UL+ P(+) L++ E W--(++) N o? K w(--)
O V? PS+ PE@ Y PGP- t- 5++ X(+) R+++$ tv+(++) b++@ DI- D+ G+ e h! !r y?
Incubated into the First Church of the Sqooshy Ball, 21-05-1998
Message no. 5
From: justin@***********.net (Justin)
Subject: Software Crusades (was Re: Re[3]: Character Dossier & Permission
Date: Fri, 20 Feb 2004 13:33:16 -0500
Gurth wrote:

> According to Justin, on Friday 20 February 2004 15:05 the word on the
> street was...
>
>
>>>Of course, everybody knows that Emacs is the best tool for designing
>>>character sheets :)
>>
>>Nonono. vi
>
>
> Why not use ed? (It's probably my total inexperience with it, but I just
> had to kill it in order to even exit :)
>

I can use ed, but vi is more.... visual ;) To exit ed just type q
or q!

>>Well, I'm not sure about homogenous, but the environments cooperate with
>>each other much more seamlessly.
>
>
> I figure that in SR, there will be a few different operating systems, but
> that, like today, you can make them talk to each other as a matter of
> course. The average user probably doesn't need to worry at all about
> installing and configuring Salsa to make a UniSK(tm) desktop PC talk to a
> laptop running Microdeck HoloWindows(R) Millenium-And-A-Half Amateur
> Edition -- one or both will recognize the other and configure itself
> accordingly, letting the user work on as if nothing happened.
>


Exactly what I was saying above. Many different flavours of OS with
interoperability as a major design spec.
Message no. 6
From: gurth@******.nl (Gurth)
Subject: Software Crusades (was Re: Re[3]: Character Dossier & Permission
Date: Fri, 20 Feb 2004 20:11:24 +0100
According to Justin, on Friday 20 February 2004 19:33 the word on the
street was...

> I can use ed, but vi is more.... visual ;) To exit ed just type q
> or q!

The handy manpage said Q, which I tried without effect... Probably because
I'd been typing in random letters first to see if it was actually doing
something :)

I prefer my text editors to close when I hit C-x C-c, though.

> Exactly what I was saying above. Many different flavours of OS with
> interoperability as a major design spec.

Yes, I know, I was just supporting your basic point with a more graphic
example :)

--
Gurth@******.nl - Stone Age: http://www.xs4all.nl/~gurth/index.html
Could it be more truth than fable?
-> Probably NAGEE Editor * ShadowRN GridSec * Triangle Virtuoso <-
-> The Plastic Warriors Page: http://plastic.dumpshock.com <-

GC3.12: GAT/! d- s:- !a>? C++(---) UL+ P(+) L++ E W--(++) N o? K w(--)
O V? PS+ PE@ Y PGP- t- 5++ X(+) R+++$ tv+(++) b++@ DI- D+ G+ e h! !r y?
Incubated into the First Church of the Sqooshy Ball, 21-05-1998

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