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Message no. 1
From: Iridios iridios@*********.com
Subject: Some Vampire Questions
Date: Sat, 24 Apr 1999 19:54:50 -0400
Greetings All,

The gods have smirked and now are teasing me with the possibility
of starting up a real face to face game in the near future. With such
a carrot hung before me, I've been thinking up some campaign ideas and
would like some clarification on vampires.

Q1: Vampires have the power of regeneration, which in SR2 heals all
non-fatal wounds on init 0. The question is, how complete is this
regeneration? If a vampire has an arm chopped off, does the arm grow
back instantly? Is the wound healed, but the arm comes back over a
period of time? Or does the wound just heal, with no "replacement"
for the arm.

Q2: On pg 231 of the SR2 (Hard Cover), it states that "if early
attacks have not killed the victim, the vampire will enjoy taking the
now-addicted subject's final Essence." I assume that this addiction
is a by-product of the vampires Infection power, but is it automatic
or does the victim have a chance of not becoming addicted?

--
Iridios
"God does not roll dice"
-Albert Einstein
Message no. 2
From: Ereskanti@***.com Ereskanti@***.com
Subject: Some Vampire Questions
Date: Sun, 25 Apr 1999 13:58:41 EDT
In a message dated 4/24/1999 6:53:43 PM US Eastern Standard Time,
iridios@*********.com writes:

> The gods have smirked and now are teasing me with the possibility
> of starting up a real face to face game in the near future. With such
> a carrot hung before me, I've been thinking up some campaign ideas and
> would like some clarification on vampires.

And you were thinking it'd never happen... ;-P

> Q1: Vampires have the power of regeneration, which in SR2 heals all
> non-fatal wounds on init 0. The question is, how complete is this
> regeneration? If a vampire has an arm chopped off, does the arm grow
> back instantly? Is the wound healed, but the arm comes back over a
> period of time? Or does the wound just heal, with no "replacement"
> for the arm.

Okay, here's a twisted thought to consider. I may be misremembering this,
but in Shadowrun's terms, a "missing limb" is considered a Serious Wound.
With that in mind, yes, the limb and all would come back. Now, as I said, I
may be misremembering this. In the games here, we don't use those rules for
regeneration, or even the newest ones (they still don't take the severity or
source of the wound in mind in our opinions).

If you wanted to go for cinematic drama concerning a limb loss, I would look
towards either the movies "Blade" or towards "the Howling" (the
original).
Blade is the most recent, and in that one, one the vamps looses his hand
early on, and during the course of the movie, he is seen regrowing it (which,
by paying attention to the course of day/night changes), takes about 2 days
overall. You could probably modify this in some manner.

How's this for a far fetched connecting of two rules. Take the power
Regeneration, and treat it like a regular critter power for a few moments.
It becomes the "rating" of the action (the being's essence in this case).
Now take the rules for clonal replacement parts. If you notice, there is a
base time for getting/growing the replacement part/limb/organ times. *IF*
you take a look at the powers target numbers in our games (on the HHH
website), you can roll the power itself in a way very similar to a "Biotech
Skill" in order to reduce the time it takes to clone (aka; regrow) an arm.
You wouldn't really be worrying about whether or not the limb was
"genetically matching" the original person, nor whether or not the conditions
were good/bad. Overall, it would take days/weeks possibly to regrow the
limb, but it would be done, and it would NOT be immediately occurring.

> Q2: On pg 231 of the SR2 (Hard Cover), it states that "if early
> attacks have not killed the victim, the vampire will enjoy taking the
> now-addicted subject's final Essence." I assume that this addiction
> is a by-product of the vampires Infection power, but is it automatic
> or does the victim have a chance of not becoming addicted?

Actually, the rules for "Addiction" exist, and perhaps you could use the
Vampire's Essence or Charisma attribute as a measurement of the "addiction"
quality of the Essence Loss, with the individual rolling his/her Willpower or
Essence (or perhaps the average of these???) against the rating of the
"Addiction".

BUT, IMO, this addictive quality would not be something that all Essence Loss
Attacks would have. It may not even be suitable for all Vampires that
possess Essence Drain.

Just some random thoughts...

-K
Message no. 3
From: Iridios iridios@*********.com
Subject: Some Vampire Questions
Date: Sun, 25 Apr 1999 19:33:54 -0400
Ereskanti@***.com wrote:
>
> In a message dated 4/24/1999 6:53:43 PM US Eastern Standard Time,
> iridios@*********.com writes:
>
> > The gods have smirked and now are teasing me with the possibility
> > of starting up a real face to face game in the near future. With such
> > a carrot hung before me, I've been thinking up some campaign ideas and
> > would like some clarification on vampires.
>
> And you were thinking it'd never happen... ;-P

Hey now! Don't jinx it, it hasn't happened yet.

>
> > Q1: Vampires have the power of regeneration, which in SR2 heals all
> > non-fatal wounds on init 0. The question is, how complete is this
> > regeneration? If a vampire has an arm chopped off, does the arm grow
> > back instantly? Is the wound healed, but the arm comes back over a
> > period of time? Or does the wound just heal, with no "replacement"
> > for the arm.

<snip>

> How's this for a far fetched connecting of two rules. Take the power
> Regeneration, and treat it like a regular critter power for a few moments.
> It becomes the "rating" of the action (the being's essence in this case).
> Now take the rules for clonal replacement parts. If you notice, there is a
> base time for getting/growing the replacement part/limb/organ times. *IF*
> you take a look at the powers target numbers in our games (on the HHH
> website), you can roll the power itself in a way very similar to a "Biotech
> Skill" in order to reduce the time it takes to clone (aka; regrow) an arm.
> You wouldn't really be worrying about whether or not the limb was
> "genetically matching" the original person, nor whether or not the
conditions
> were good/bad. Overall, it would take days/weeks possibly to regrow the
> limb, but it would be done, and it would NOT be immediately occurring.

I like this. Would this mean that the vampire is still "damaged" or
are his wounds gone but the limb takes time to regrow?

--
Iridios
"God does not roll dice"
-Albert Einstein
Message no. 4
From: Mongoose m0ng005e@*********.com
Subject: Some Vampire Questions
Date: Sun, 25 Apr 1999 22:09:49 -0500
:> > Q1: Vampires have the power of regeneration, which in SR2 heals all
:> > non-fatal wounds on init 0. The question is, how complete is this
:> > regeneration? If a vampire has an arm chopped off, does the arm grow
:> > back instantly? Is the wound healed, but the arm comes back over a
:> > period of time? Or does the wound just heal, with no "replacement"
:> > for the arm.


I think, officially, they'd have to regenerate to their exact fixed
form- otherwise, what's the problem with them getting cyberware and
rejecting all forms of body implants? So they would HAVE TO regenerate
completely, to preserve logical consistency. Additionally, if you are
talking about limb loss due to failed body rolls after deadly damage, that
would definitely heal (as, I think, would attribute loss)- creatures with
regeneration just don't have to worry about that.
You might want to have vampires risk loosing a point of essence for
taking such a strain during the regenerative process, though.

Mongoose
Message no. 5
From: Ereskanti@***.com Ereskanti@***.com
Subject: Some Vampire Questions
Date: Sun, 25 Apr 1999 22:32:31 EDT
In a message dated 4/25/1999 6:32:33 PM US Eastern Standard Time,
iridios@*********.com writes:

>
> I like this. Would this mean that the vampire is still "damaged" or
> are his wounds gone but the limb takes time to regrow?
>
IMO, it would mean that his *wound* is gone per say, but the limb itself has
not come back. Think of it this way. When someone else loses a limb, and
then it is sealed (the truncated/severed section), and then allowed to
"heal", it does so, and the person is considered "healed" as well.

In this case, the truncated/severed section just takes time to fully recover.

And of course, it would NOT work if the spinal region is severed (as per the
rules).

-K
Message no. 6
From: Barbie LeVile barbie@********.de
Subject: Some Vampire Questions
Date: Mon, 26 Apr 1999 16:09:51 +0200
Iridios wrote:
>
> Greetings All,
>

>
> Q1: Vampires have the power of regeneration, which in SR2 heals all
> non-fatal wounds on init 0. The question is, how complete is this
> regeneration? If a vampire has an arm chopped off, does the arm grow
> back instantly? Is the wound healed, but the arm comes back over a
> period of time? Or does the wound just heal, with no "replacement"
> for the arm.

Since SR combat/damage sys doesn't include the loss of body parts,
unless you are past deadly and loss some body tests, I handle it in my
game that regen does regen lost body parts in combat.

--
Barbie

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