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Message no. 1
From: "Robert G. Brook" <rgb1@**.MSSTATE.EDU>
Subject: Sorcery Adepts and Initiation
Date: Fri, 23 May 1997 01:19:40 -0500
Which metamagical abilities do you all think initiate sorcery adepts
should have access to? I tend to give them access to any metamagic
involving the sorcery skill while not requiring astral abilities. This
seems reasonable, but it tends to make sorcery adepts much more powerful
than most other adept types.
Message no. 2
From: Gurth <gurth@******.NL>
Subject: Re: Sorcery Adepts and Initiation
Date: Fri, 23 May 1997 11:27:25 +0100
Robert G. Brook said on 1:19/23 May 97...

> Which metamagical abilities do you all think initiate sorcery adepts
> should have access to? I tend to give them access to any metamagic
> involving the sorcery skill while not requiring astral abilities. This
> seems reasonable, but it tends to make sorcery adepts much more powerful
> than most other adept types.

It won't if you give other adepts similar abilities but for the skills
they can use. Check out NERPS: ShadowLore for an article that slightly
changes initiation and also includes suggested powers for various adepts.

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Message no. 3
From: Dust <rogan@*******.BERGEN.ORG>
Subject: Re: Sorcery Adepts and Initiation
Date: Fri, 23 May 1997 09:03:33 -0400
On Fri, 23 May 1997, Robert G. Brook wrote:

> Which metamagical abilities do you all think initiate sorcery adepts
> should have access to? I tend to give them access to any metamagic
> involving the sorcery skill while not requiring astral abilities. This
> seems reasonable, but it tends to make sorcery adepts much more powerful
> than most other adept types.
>

In my campaigns sorcery adepts get centering and masking but
that's about it.

Dust
Message no. 4
From: L Canthros <lobo1@****.COM>
Subject: Re: Sorcery Adepts and Initiation
Date: Fri, 23 May 1997 09:23:57 EDT
On Fri, 23 May 1997 01:19:40 -0500 "Robert G. Brook"
<rgb1@**.MSSTATE.EDU> writes:
<<Which metamagical abilities do you all think initiate sorcery adepts
should have access to? I tend to give them access to any metamagic
involving the sorcery skill while not requiring astral abilities. This
seems reasonable, but it tends to make sorcery adepts much more powerful
than most other adept types.>>


Sorcerors have access to Masking and Centering only. What's more, he can
only use the Centering vs. Penalties and Centering vs. Drain tests. I
can't come up with a reason against Anchoring (Grimmy doesn't say it
requires Astral Perception), but I'd assume he cannot use it, based on
statements about the Physical Mage in Awakenings, where it said that the
Phys. Mage can only use maksing if he does not possess the Astral Per.
power. Change this to Masking and Centering, and it works:)

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Message no. 5
From: Caric <caric@********.COM>
Subject: Re: Sorcery Adepts and Initiation
Date: Fri, 23 May 1997 11:06:44 -0700
| Sorcerors have access to Masking and Centering only. What's more, he can
| only use the Centering vs. Penalties and Centering vs. Drain tests. I
| can't come up with a reason against Anchoring (Grimmy doesn't say it
| requires Astral Perception), but I'd assume he cannot use it, based on
| statements about the Physical Mage in Awakenings, where it said that the
| Phys. Mage can only use maksing if he does not possess the Astral Per.
| power. Change this to Masking and Centering, and it works:)

Why wouldn't a scorcerer adept get shielding? He has a scorcery skill, and
he would be defending against spells. Anchoring also seems as though it
only would require the scorcery skill. Centering would only be able to be
done for drain and penalties, because the other uses require astral perc.,
but why wouldn't they have access to any metamagic that does not require
astral access?

-Caric

"I was NAKED!!!!!!!!!!!"
-Blackjack our Racoon Shaman when asked why he ran away from one
particular fight."
Message no. 6
From: L Canthros <lobo1@****.COM>
Subject: Re: Sorcery Adepts and Initiation
Date: Fri, 23 May 1997 23:38:42 EDT
On Fri, 23 May 1997 11:06:44 -0700 Caric <caric@********.COM> writes:
<the snipper strikes again 8< 8< 8< >
<<Why wouldn't a scorcerer adept get shielding? He has a scorcery skill,
and he would be defending against spells. Anchoring also seems as though
it only would require the scorcery skill. Centering would only be able
to be done for drain and penalties, because the other uses require astral
perc., but why wouldn't they have access to any metamagic that does not
require astral access?>>


Okay, I forgot Shielding (the Sorceror has Spell Defense, give him
Shielding). (Do _all_ Initiates get that Shielding pool?) Anchoring,
though, I'd be a bit leery of. Especially if a Physical Mage has no
access to metamagic aside from Masking if he does not have Astral
Perception (that doesn't entirely make sense to me, either, but...).
Since I can't recall seeing any clear-cut statement on what metamagic
initiated adepts receives, I suppose that it's time to take comments from
the rest of the peanut gallery (and from the FASA reps:).


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Message no. 7
From: Caric <caric@********.COM>
Subject: Re: Sorcery Adepts and Initiation
Date: Tue, 27 May 1997 11:49:10 -0700
| Okay, I forgot Shielding (the Sorceror has Spell Defense, give him
| Shielding). (Do _all_ Initiates get that Shielding pool?) Anchoring,
| though, I'd be a bit leery of. Especially if a Physical Mage has no
| access to metamagic aside from Masking if he does not have Astral
| Perception (that doesn't entirely make sense to me, either, but...).
| Since I can't recall seeing any clear-cut statement on what metamagic
| initiated adepts receives, I suppose that it's time to take comments from
| the rest of the peanut gallery (and from the FASA reps:).

Only initiates who can use normal spell defense can use shielding or get a
shielding pool AFAIK. I personally subscribe to the school of thought that
if you can use the skill with the abilities you have then you should have
access. Why wouldn't a scorcerer be able to anchor...it doesn't require
astral perception does it? (Note: this is not a rhetorical question :-) I
would allow a physical mage to mask, and anchor, and quicken as, and shield
as well. They can use scorcery so damn it they should get to use scorcery.
=)


-Caric

"I was NAKED!!!!!!!!!!!"
-Blackjack our Racoon Shaman when asked why he ran away from one
particular fight."
Message no. 8
From: L Canthros <lobo1@****.COM>
Subject: Re: Sorcery Adepts and Initiation
Date: Tue, 27 May 1997 19:36:53 EDT
On Tue, 27 May 1997 11:49:10 -0700 Caric <caric@********.COM> writes:
<<Only initiates who can use normal spell defense can use shielding or
get a shielding pool AFAIK. I personally subscribe to the school of
thought that if you can use the skill with the abilities you have then
you should have access. Why wouldn't a scorcerer be able to anchor...it
doesn't require astral perception does it? (Note: this is not a
rhetorical question :-) I would allow a physical mage to mask, and
anchor, and quicken as, and shield as well. They can use scorcery so damn
it they should get to use scorcery.
=)>>


So, only Sorcerors, Elementalists, and Shamanic Adepts receive shielding,
as far as Adepts are concerned. On anchoring: I can't find anything that
says they can't, but it doesn't make sense to me that the Physical Mage
was denied access to any metamagic save Centering (like a Physad) and
Masking if he did not have Astral Perception...Also can't seem to find
anything helpful aside from that in Awakenings and I don't recall
anything like that being in the Grimoire (where it simply described
metamagic, not who necessarily receives access to those abilities, IIRC)
<sigh> If anyone has some help, it'd be awfully appreciated.


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