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Message no. 1
From: Atis Kleinbergs oogis@******.net
Subject: Sourcebook Art Question
Date: Wed, 20 Oct 1999 17:26:10 -0400
Greetings all,

I am trying to remember which book had a piece of art by Tim Bradstreet in
it with a subtitle ".30 Caliber Fetish." I would have sworn it was in the
1st ed. rulebook. But a friend of mine brought over a copy and it wasn't
there. (It was the HC version. Did the hardcover interior differ from the
softcover?)

I am left with the guess that maybe it was in the 1st ed. Grimoire?

Help?
Message no. 2
From: dghost@****.com dghost@****.com
Subject: Sourcebook Art Question
Date: Wed, 20 Oct 1999 17:33:59 -0700
On Wed, 20 Oct 1999 17:26:10 -0400 "Atis Kleinbergs" <oogis@******.net>
writes:
>
> Greetings all,
>
> I am trying to remember which book had a piece of art by Tim Bradstreet
in
> it with a subtitle ".30 Caliber Fetish." I would have sworn it was in
the
> 1st ed. rulebook. But a friend of mine brought over a copy and it
wasn't
> there. (It was the HC version. Did the hardcover interior differ from
the
> softcover?)
>
> I am left with the guess that maybe it was in the 1st ed. Grimoire?

I just checked Bradstreet's Maximum Black Art Book. I didn't see
anything titled ".30 Caliber Fetish." Have you checked the SR art book?
I'm guessing that the subtitle is seperate from the artwork and is not
the original title of the artwork.

--
D. Ghost
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Inside of a dog, it's too dark to read.
-Groucho Marx

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Message no. 3
From: Atis Kleinbergs oogis@******.net
Subject: Sourcebook Art Question
Date: Wed, 20 Oct 1999 22:39:07 -0400
---------
> From: dghost@****.com
> To: shadowrn@*********.org
> Subject: Re: Sourcebook Art Question
> Date: Wednesday, October 20, 1999 8:33 PM
>
> On Wed, 20 Oct 1999 17:26:10 -0400 "Atis Kleinbergs"
<oogis@******.net>
> writes:
> >
> > Greetings all,
> >
> > I am trying to remember which book had a piece of art by Tim Bradstreet
> > in it with a subtitle ".30 Caliber Fetish."
> I just checked Bradstreet's Maximum Black Art Book. I didn't see
> anything titled ".30 Caliber Fetish." Have you checked the SR art book?
> I'm guessing that the subtitle is seperate from the artwork and is not
> the original title of the artwork.
>
> --
> D. Ghost
Thanks for checking. Yeah, the piece itself is untitled (I own it).
Whichever book had the piece in it had the subtitle printed below it. I
just want to find the book to use it as a visual reference for the piece.
Message no. 4
From: dghost@****.com dghost@****.com
Subject: Sourcebook Art Question
Date: Thu, 21 Oct 1999 00:02:08 -0700
On Wed, 20 Oct 1999 22:39:07 -0400 "Atis Kleinbergs" <oogis@******.net>
writes:
<SNIP>
> Thanks for checking. Yeah, the piece itself is untitled (I own it).
>
> Whichever book had the piece in it had the subtitle printed below it.
I
> just want to find the book to use it as a visual reference for the
piece.

If you can describe it, maybe someone can remember where it is ...

--
D. Ghost
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Inside of a dog, it's too dark to read.
-Groucho Marx

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Message no. 5
From: Sebastian Wiers m0ng005e@*****.com
Subject: Sourcebook Art Question
Date: Thu, 21 Oct 1999 03:22:24 -0500
:> Thanks for checking. Yeah, the piece itself is untitled (I own it).
:>
:> Whichever book had the piece in it had the subtitle printed below it.

Thats pretty uncommon, excepting for color plates, and I don't recall
Bradstreet doign any Shadowrun color plates.

Bradstreet did a suprising amount of work in early Shadowrun books;
maybe its form the 1st edition Grimoire? That is one I don't have on my
shelf.

:If you can describe it, maybe someone can remember where it is ...

<Psycic mode> I'm getting the impression of... leather.. being worn... and
a gun, definatley a gun- somebody is in danger.... </Pm>

Mongoose
Message no. 6
From: Gurth gurth@******.nl
Subject: Sourcebook Art Question
Date: Thu, 21 Oct 1999 11:56:13 +0200
According to Atis Kleinbergs, at 17:26 on 20 Oct 99, the word on the
street was...

> I am trying to remember which book had a piece of art by Tim Bradstreet in
> it with a subtitle ".30 Caliber Fetish." I would have sworn it was in the
> 1st ed. rulebook. But a friend of mine brought over a copy and it wasn't
> there. (It was the HC version. Did the hardcover interior differ from the
> softcover?)

The first printing hardcover had a few pieces of art that were removed in
later printings of the book (i.e. the second printing hardcover, and all
softcovers). However, I'm not sure the piece you'r referring to is one of
the removed ones.

The title doesn't mean much to me, but there is art on page 56 of the
first-edition Grimoire of somebody about to get hit by a magical object
type thing, and the text in the same column mentions a ".40 caliber
fetish" -- is that it?

If not, what does the art look like? That might help us track it down.

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Message no. 7
From: Atis Kleinbergs oogis@******.net
Subject: Sourcebook Art Question
Date: Thu, 21 Oct 1999 08:35:17 -0400
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> From: Sebastian Wiers <m0ng005e@*****.com>
> To: shadowrn@*********.org
> Subject: Re: Sourcebook Art Question
> Date: Thursday, October 21, 1999 4:22 AM
> :> Thanks for checking. Yeah, the piece itself is untitled (I own it).
> :>
> :> Whichever book had the piece in it had the subtitle printed below it.
> Thats pretty uncommon, excepting for color plates, and I don't recall
> Bradstreet doign any Shadowrun color plates.

No, it was not a color plate. And, unless I am completely constructing
false memories, it did have a caption. The only other place I may have
seen a title for the piece was at the art show where I bought it. Sorry
for the uncertainty. I posted a description of the piece in an earlier
email (pendant/necklace magically hurtling toward man's head).
Message no. 8
From: Atis Kleinbergs oogis@******.net
Subject: Sourcebook Art Question
Date: Thu, 21 Oct 1999 08:30:13 -0400
> From: dghost@****.com
> To: shadowrn@*********.org
> Subject: Re: Sourcebook Art Question
> Date: Thursday, October 21, 1999 3:02 AM
>
> On Wed, 20 Oct 1999 22:39:07 -0400 "Atis Kleinbergs"
<oogis@******.net>
> writes:
> <SNIP>
> > Thanks for checking. Yeah, the piece itself is untitled (I own it).
> >
> > Whichever book had the piece in it had the subtitle printed below it.
> > I just want to find the book to use it as a visual reference for the
> piece.
>
> If you can describe it, maybe someone can remember where it is ...

Oh, yeah. That might help, huh? The picture shows one of those kitschy
bird-claw-holding-crystal-sphere necklaces speeding (in an aura of magical
energy) straight toward a man's head. It's coming in at an angle from up
above. The man has his hair pulled back tight behind his head. He has one
very evident datajack in his upper forehead, with some other sort of
smaller knob or node also in his head. He is peering over his shades,
apparently oblivious to his immediate fate.

Any ideas?
Message no. 9
From: Atis Kleinbergs oogis@******.net
Subject: Sourcebook Art Question
Date: Thu, 21 Oct 1999 08:42:01 -0400
----------
> From: Gurth <gurth@******.nl>
> To: shadowrn@*********.org
> Subject: Re: Sourcebook Art Question
> Date: Thursday, October 21, 1999 5:56 AM
>
> According to Atis Kleinbergs, at 17:26 on 20 Oct 99, the word on the
> street was...
>
> > I am trying to remember which book had a piece of art by Tim Bradstreet
in
> > it with a subtitle ".30 Caliber Fetish."
SNIP!!
> The title doesn't mean much to me, but there is art on page 56 of the
> first-edition Grimoire of somebody about to get hit by a magical object
> type thing, and the text in the same column mentions a ".40 caliber
> fetish" -- is that it?

Okay, yes! I think this is it. It's on of those "crystal sphere in a bird
claw" talisman/pendants, yes? I must have gotten the calibers confused.
Any idea what a 1st ed Grimoire is going for nowadays?

Thanks Gurth!
Message no. 10
From: Fanguad fanguad@****.rit.edu
Subject: Sourcebook Art Question
Date: Thu, 21 Oct 1999 09:11:55 -0400
> Okay, yes! I think this is it. It's on of those "crystal sphere in a bird
> claw" talisman/pendants, yes? I must have gotten the calibers confused.
> Any idea what a 1st ed Grimoire is going for nowadays?

I picked up a copy just this weekend for $10.

-Fanguad
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Message no. 11
From: Gurth gurth@******.nl
Subject: Sourcebook Art Question
Date: Thu, 21 Oct 1999 20:57:01 +0200
According to Atis Kleinbergs, at 8:42 on 21 Oct 99, the word on
the street was...

> > The title doesn't mean much to me, but there is art on page 56 of the
> > first-edition Grimoire of somebody about to get hit by a magical object
> > type thing, and the text in the same column mentions a ".40 caliber
> > fetish" -- is that it?
>
> Okay, yes! I think this is it. It's on of those "crystal sphere in a bird
> claw" talisman/pendants, yes?

Yes, it looks like this is the picture you were talking about.

> I must have gotten the calibers confused. Any idea what a 1st ed
> Grimoire is going for nowadays?

Sorry, I have no clue. I bought mine two years ago for a few pounds (I was
in the UK at the time) but I can't even remember how many exactly. I do
know somebody tried to charge me full price for it a year before, which I
felt was ridiculous...

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Gurth@******.nl - http://www.xs4all.nl/~gurth/index.html
"Remember that all the items in the equipment lists are obviously
not available anywhere." --Gemini RPG, p. 100
-> NAGEE Editor * ShadowRN GridSec * Unofficial Shadowrun Guru <-
->The Plastic Warriors Page: http://shadowrun.html.com/plasticwarriors/<-
-> The New Character Mortuary: http://www.electricferret.com/mortuary/ <-

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Message no. 12
From: dghost@****.com dghost@****.com
Subject: Sourcebook Art Question
Date: Thu, 21 Oct 1999 19:49:02 -0700
On Thu, 21 Oct 1999 08:30:13 -0400 "Atis Kleinbergs" <oogis@******.net>
writes:
> > From: dghost@****.com
<SNIP>
> > If you can describe it, maybe someone can remember where it is ...

> Oh, yeah. That might help, huh? The picture shows one of those
kitschy
> bird-claw-holding-crystal-sphere necklaces speeding (in an aura of
magical
> energy) straight toward a man's head. It's coming in at an angle from
up
> above. The man has his hair pulled back tight behind his head. He has
one
> very evident datajack in his upper forehead, with some other sort of
> smaller knob or node also in his head. He is peering over his shades,
> apparently oblivious to his immediate fate.
>
> Any ideas?

There is no pic matching that description in Maximum Black (Sorry, I was
hoping it would be there since Maximum Black would be easier to find than
a 1st Ed Grimoire.). I would reccomend picking up Maximum Black anyway
(~$25 US). It has some great pics. I think Bradstreet is the best SR
artist. Partially because he is an awesome artist, but mostly because he
portrays SR imagery, realisticly without embelishment. There are some
other good SR artists, but I think no-one comes closer catching the SR
feeling than Bradstreet. I think Bradstreet's the only artist where I've
looked at his work and said "I want to make THAT my SR character."
Interestingly, I showed Maximum Black to a friend of mine and after a few
pages she handed it back and said "uhh ... I feel /dirty/." (The mark of
a good art book ;)*

--
D. Ghost
Outside of a dog, a book is a man's best friend.
Inside of a dog, it's too dark to read.
-Groucho Marx

*Just so no one gets the wrong idea, there is no nudity or anything. The
mood of the book is grim and harsh (A lot of the book is either goth or
cyberpunk). The "mark" I was referring to was the conveyance of the
emotional content. :)
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