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Message no. 1
From: Ahern T Stephan <maxim@*******.MANKATO.MSUS.EDU>
Subject: Source books....
Date: Sat, 9 Apr 1994 23:13:51 -0500
Is there a Military Hardware sourcebook out there?

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Message no. 2
From: "C. Paul Douglas" <granite@*****.NET>
Subject: Re: Source books....
Date: Sun, 10 Apr 1994 00:40:38 -0400
On Sat, 9 Apr 1994, Ahern T Stephan wrote:

> Is there a Military Hardware sourcebook out there?
>
Yes, it is called Fields of FIre...Oh and who gets to put out the Eratta
sheet on this one..Somebody at FA$A needs to learn how to use their
computer!! lots-O-goofs...
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Message no. 3
From: Jai Tao <jdfalk@****.COM>
Subject: Re: Source books....
Date: Sun, 10 Apr 1994 00:40:13 -0400
On Sat, 9 Apr 1994, Ahern T Stephan wrote:

> Is there a Military Hardware sourcebook out there?
>
Shadowtech and Fields of Fire both include military hardware, but
no, there isn't a book dedicated to it for Shadowrun. Honestly, that'd be
overkill (pun intended.)

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Message no. 4
From: Matt <mosbun@******.CC.PURDUE.EDU>
Subject: Re: Source books....
Date: Sun, 10 Apr 1994 09:42:31 -0500
>Is there a Military Hardware sourcebook out there?


I have a feeling that FoF is as close as we're getting.

Matt
Message no. 5
From: "A.R.Gay" <cs6004@***.AC.UK>
Subject: Source books.
Date: Tue, 3 May 1994 13:37:10 +0100
I hate to contradict, but seeing as I live in england, IMO the
pile of festering garbage that is the London source book, is not
even worth the fart of a donkey. I would rather boil my feet in
HCl than use the diatribe that is printed on those sheets. As
for the novels, _You Can NOT See Cardif Form ANYWERE in Bristol_
I do not care what they think, this is complete rubbish,
obviously written by a lazy and illinformed Yank. How the hell
FASA can print such trash is nearly beyond me. I would not run a
game in England useing the rules and background as given, I'm
sure there are big holes in most of there source material, but
aeverything in this book is pure fantasy, I didn't even
recognise my own part of the world in it. Well thats me
sounded off, what does anyone else think of this poor excuse for
a source book?
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Message no. 6
From: "David R. Henry" <dhenry@******.NODAK.EDU>
Subject: Re: Source books.
Date: Tue, 3 May 1994 07:36:19 -0500
JackFrost wrote:

> I hate to contradict, but seeing as I live in england, IMO the
> pile of festering garbage that is the London source book, is not
> even worth the fart of a donkey. I would rather boil my feet in
> HCl than use the diatribe that is printed on those sheets. As
> for the novels, _You Can NOT See Cardif Form ANYWERE in Bristol_
> I do not care what they think, this is complete rubbish,
> obviously written by a lazy and illinformed Yank.

[munch]

> Well thats me
> sounded off, what does anyone else think of this poor excuse for
> a source book?

Well, I rather liked it, but I make up for that on my Karmaic track by
despising the first three SR novels. Of course, I live in North Dakota,
and I thought a England sourcebook written by natives of the land -- which
the London sourcebook is, interestingly enough -- should be a bit more
on track than if someone like, say, me were to try it.

drh, c'est la
Message no. 7
From: Hal Mangold <hmangold@*******.AC.RUNET.EDU>
Subject: Source books. (fwd)
Date: Tue, 3 May 1994 13:22:15 EDT
> I hate to contradict, but seeing as I live in england, IMO the
> pile of festering garbage that is the London source book, is not
> even worth the fart of a donkey. I would rather boil my feet in
> HCl than use the diatribe that is printed on those sheets. As
> for the novels, _You Can NOT See Cardif Form ANYWERE in Bristol_
> I do not care what they think, this is complete rubbish,
> obviously written by a lazy and illinformed Yank. How the hell
> FASA can print such trash is nearly beyond me. I would not run a
> game in England useing the rules and background as given, I'm
> sure there are big holes in most of there source material, but
> aeverything in this book is pure fantasy, I didn't even
> recognise my own part of the world in it. Well thats me
> sounded off, what does anyone else think of this poor excuse for
> a source book?

Look, Jack, I'm not going to contest whether the aforementioned book is
accurate or not, but getyour facts straigt: the book was written by two
Brits. Carl Sargent and Marc Gasciogne are both *BRITISH* game writers.
You may not like their interpretation of your country, but they do live
there.

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Hal Mangold >> hmangold@*******.ac.runet.edu >> Have fez, will travel
Savage Henry >> Radford University,Radford Va.>>
SvgeHenry@***.com >> Apathy capitol of the USA >>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Geek code under construction.
Message no. 8
From: "Bill P. Flint" <claymore@******.DIGEX.NET>
Subject: Re: Source books.
Date: Tue, 3 May 1994 14:01:10 -0400
Calm down dude.

I have some questions for then:
1) What will london be like in the year of 2050?
2) Do you exactly everything about everyplace in Great Britian at the moment or
ever will?

Don't to angry about what I'm about to say, but do you see us U.S.A citizens
getting angry on how FASA turned the united states into. No, or actually I
have never see anyone complain.

before I leave I just like to remind you that it JUST a game so have fun.
You could even make a character from london that trying to clean up Great
Braitin.

--Claymore
Message no. 9
From: J Gavigan <csc086@*****.LANCS.AC.UK>
Subject: Re: Source books.
Date: Wed, 4 May 1994 00:56:54 +0100
> I hate to contradict, but seeing as I live in england, IMO the
> pile of festering garbage that is the London source book, is not
> even worth the fart of a donkey. I would rather boil my feet in
> [...]
> recognise my own part of the world in it. Well thats me
> sounded off, what does anyone else think of this poor excuse for
> a source book?

Well, I'll just give you the lowdown on the authors of both
the London and the Tir na nOg sourcebooks:

Carl Sargent. Check out LOADS of TSR stuff for AD & D. His
name's to be found on lots of it... Fairly well respected
fantasy gaming writer.
Marc Gascoigne: Formerly of Games Workshop, ( Judge Dredd
rpg ) and has been involed with Livingstone and Jackson's
Fighting Fantasy series.

Both are freelancers, as far as I know...

If you think that the London Sourcebook was bad, you should
read the mess they made of Ireland. In the section on the Tir
in the London sb, they say that the Giant's Causeway is in
Galway. It's about 200 miles away from Galway.
I was very unhappy with a lot of the stuff in the TNO sb, but,
'tis too late now... *shrug*

Jackin' out...

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Message no. 10
From: Jai Tao <jdfalk@****.COM>
Subject: Re: Source books.
Date: Wed, 4 May 1994 02:00:35 -0400
On Tue, 3 May 1994, A.R.Gay wrote:

> I hate to contradict, but seeing as I live in england, IMO the
> pile of festering garbage that is the London source book, is not
> even worth the fart of a donkey. I would rather boil my feet in
> HCl than use the diatribe that is printed on those sheets.

Well, being a lazy and uninformed Yank (actually, I'm more of a
Southerner, but that makes no difference to y'all I guess), I'll take you
word on the sourcebook.
Are you going to rewrite London -- or _any_ part of the British
Isles -- for the current NERPS project?
Message no. 11
From: Ivy Ryan <ivyryan@***.ORG>
Subject: Re: Source books.
Date: Wed, 4 May 1994 13:19:38 -0700
Yeah! I've been waiting for someone from England to talk about
that Book. I was over there back in the late 60's and it really didn't
look good to me either.
But, I'm sorry to have to tell you this, but it is *supposed* to
have been written by a British student and a French student studying in
England. Somehow I doubt this. They really gaffed the Tir na n0g
sourcebook too. And both of the adventures they wrote.
Course, I live in Oregon, have for over 10 years. Lived in
Portland for 7 of them. The Tir Tairngire sourcebook is just as bad. Or
Worse. You oughta see the terrain where that "Great Wall" is supposed to
be. Whatta laugher. Findly hasn't ever seen the state. And I lived in
what is currently Nord Hesse (Kassel) for three years and I don't think
the people who wrote the Germany Sourcebook ever got north of Heidleberg
except to go to Berlin. Sourcebooks really aren't very good when they're
written by the people FASA let do them.
Message no. 12
From: Josh Walters <jwalters@******.LINFIELD.EDU>
Subject: Re: Source books.
Date: Wed, 4 May 1994 14:19:05 -0700
Just a thought

I was noticing how everyone seems to be a bit disgruntled with some of
the sourcebooks, and while some of the things may be messed up, the world
is over 50 years in the future (not much effect there..although Denver
does extend past C. Springs....) And also the Awakening, the reapearance
of magic, and, especially for Oregon/Seattle + area, H.C's Ghost Dance
all may have had some, (again possibly not much) effect on the geography...

Besides...It's just a game......

Josh

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Message no. 13
From: JOHANNA BURWELL-KALES <burwell@******.EDU>
Subject: Re: Source books...
Date: Wed, 4 May 1994 23:34:53 -0700
I was born in Oregon and agree with who ever it was that stated
that the book is wrong.( sorry ) I was born in portland, and the place
where the wall is supposed to be in shadowrun is near some residential areas.
( last i checked so don't kill me, please )

I live in Nevada and was thinking about doing a thing on Las
Vegas. There is no real info, ( so that I've seen ), and I was wondering
where i should send my info and what everyone else's thoughts were on how
run's in Las Vegas would be.

Thanx,
guess who
Message no. 14
From: "Robert A. Hayden" <hayden@*******.MANKATO.MSUS.EDU>
Subject: Re: Source books...
Date: Thu, 5 May 1994 01:52:05 -0500
On Wed, 4 May 1994, JOHANNA BURWELL-KALES wrote:

> I live in Nevada and was thinking about doing a thing on Las
> Vegas. There is no real info, ( so that I've seen ), and I was wondering
> where i should send my info and what everyone else's thoughts were on how
> run's in Las Vegas would be.

Las Vegas was done in NAGEE 5

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Message no. 15
From: Adam Pedder <atp100@****.YORK.AC.UK>
Subject: Re: Source books.
Date: Thu, 5 May 1994 11:30:50 +0000
On Tue, 3 May 1994, A.R.Gay wrote:

> I hate to contradict, but seeing as I live in england, IMO the
> pile of festering garbage that is the London source book, is not
> even worth the fart of a donkey. I would rather boil my feet in
> HCl than use the diatribe that is printed on those sheets. As
> for the novels, _You Can NOT See Cardif Form ANYWERE in Bristol_
> I do not care what they think, this is complete rubbish,
> obviously written by a lazy and illinformed Yank. How the hell
> FASA can print such trash is nearly beyond me. I would not run a
> game in England useing the rules and background as given, I'm
> sure there are big holes in most of there source material, but
> aeverything in this book is pure fantasy, I didn't even
> recognise my own part of the world in it. Well thats me
> sounded off, what does anyone else think of this poor excuse for
> a source book?
> --
> ***************************************************************************
> * JackFrost <cs6004@****.wlv.ac.uk> For all your shadowtech requirements.*
> * "If at first you don't succeed, use Magic..." *
> * -- Shifter, Street Mage *
> ***************************************************************************
>
Actually I thought some bits were leaning on the truth. It was
certainly a giggle reading about the different boroughs of London.

Adam Pedder
Message no. 16
From: Micah Levy <M.Levy@**.UCL.AC.UK>
Subject: Re: Source books.
Date: Thu, 5 May 1994 15:07:00 +0100
Okay folks...Gripe time

> I hate to contradict, but seeing as I live in england,

Just to clarify, I live in London which is actually over 90% of the source book


> IMO the
> pile of festering garbage that is the London source book,

A very subjective opinion

> is not
> even worth the fart of a donkey.

I wasn't aware that there was a going rate

> I would rather boil my feet in
> [...]

Good for you but completely irrelevant

> recognise my own part of the world in it. Well thats me
> sounded off, what does anyone else think of this poor excuse for
> a source book?

Since you asked, quite a lot. Both myself and the rest of my group who all
live in London feel that it captured a very good image of whatthe Shadowrun
London could be like in 2055. Everything geographically is perfect- even the
neighbourhood ratings seem to correlate generally to what it's actually like.
The bit in the beginning about English culture is particularly accurate.
As has been previously pointed out, both Gascoigne and Sargent are English
and freelancers.
This book is in my opinion probably the best location sourcebook that FASA has
released.


Rambling on a bit to favourite novels...Shadowplay followed by 2XS. Streets of
Blood was also quite good (Whoever said it appeared to be wrong about
something, what?). The only mediocre ones that have been published so far are
Changeling and Shadow's Pawn.

Next, Signatures. Raving for 10 lines or so quoting bits from Highlander is a
waste of bandwidth and bloody annoying. It's not as though it contained any
useful information like email address, geek code, WWW address or even an
interesting saying for us to ponder on.
As I compose, I see that the original very annoying one seems to have been
replaced by a slightly less annoying 9 line signature.
13 line sword signatures sorta fall into that category as well.

As far as Highlander goes, if you got the European version with the extra
thingies, wouldn't it be in PAL and you in NTSC? You'd lose a third iff the
bottom of the picture probably.

Venting some more steam- I haven't had the chance for quite a while.
The guy who was rude to Doom who was rude to the guy.
Comment: If you're like that to everyone as you claimed, I'm surprised anyone
still associates with you.
Furthermore, you said you didn't want to say who you are out of modesty. Well
you've told us, and I for one am still not impressed.


In case people think I've been getting a little heated, attribute it to
reading most of my mail for the past week off-line without being able to reply
and then having a vile exam this morning (Functional Programming if anyone's
interested.



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Message no. 17
From: jacob hawkins <HAWKINSJ@********.WA.COM>
Subject: Re: Source books...
Date: Thu, 5 May 1994 18:04:10 +0200
There's been a nice (don't know how accurate, but nice) segment done
on Vegas already in one of the NAGEE's. If you've got more to add,
it might make a nice NERPS entry.
Message no. 18
From: Ivy Ryan <ivyryan@***.ORG>
Subject: Re: Source books...
Date: Thu, 5 May 1994 10:58:33 -0700
On Thu, 5 May 1994, Robert A. Hayden wrote:

> On Wed, 4 May 1994, JOHANNA BURWELL-KALES wrote:
>
> > I live in Nevada and was thinking about doing a thing on Las
> > Vegas. There is no real info, ( so that I've seen ), and I was wondering
> > where i should send my info and what everyone else's thoughts were on how
> > run's in Las Vegas would be.
>
> Las Vegas was done in NAGEE 5
>
So? Let her do it. I, personally, cannot *get* the NAGEE files
because I cannot translate Postcript. Plus, there was a post recently in
which it was stated that the NAGEE files were corrupted anyway.
I'd *love* to see Las Vegas done for SRII. Though a bit of it
was done in NAN-1. Go from there and *push* the envelope!
Message no. 19
From: "Robert A. Hayden" <hayden@*******.MANKATO.MSUS.EDU>
Subject: Re: Source books...
Date: Thu, 5 May 1994 15:06:29 -0500
On Thu, 5 May 1994, Ivy Ryan wrote:

> So? Let her do it. I, personally, cannot *get* the NAGEE files
> because I cannot translate Postcript. Plus, there was a post recently in
> which it was stated that the NAGEE files were corrupted anyway.

I didn't tell her/him not to do it. I simply pointed out that it had
been don already.

The NAGEE files are fine, and are available in Postscript, RTF, and Word
formats, and #s 1-4 are also in ASCII. There were some problems with the
NERPS files, but they are for the most part local problems, not with the
files. NERPS stuff is available in Postscript and RTF formats.

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Message no. 20
From: J Gavigan <csc086@*****.LANCS.AC.UK>
Subject: Re: Source books.
Date: Thu, 5 May 1994 21:01:16 +0100
> But, I'm sorry to have to tell you this, but it is *supposed* to
> have been written by a British student and a French student studying in
> England. Somehow I doubt this. They really gaffed the Tir na n0g
> sourcebook too. And both of the adventures they wrote.

Nope! Carl Sargent is well known for his TSR stuff, and Marc
Gascoigne has done a fair amount of writing for various fantasy
role playing stuff before as well...
On thing, though - They know sfa about Ireland.

Jackin' out...

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Message no. 21
From: Bryan Prince <WALAB@******.HH.VANDERBILT.EDU>
Subject: Re: Source books...
Date: Thu, 5 May 1994 15:28:44 -0600
The NAGEE files are in .txt format at teetot. /pub/Beelzebub/Role-Playing/
Shadowrun/NAGEE. Volumes 1-4 are there and I had no trouble printing
them out. I haven't seen v.5 yet though.
How about it Fearless Leader? Where is NAGEE 5?
Bryan Prince.
Message no. 22
From: Nightfox <DJWA@******.UCC.NAU.EDU>
Subject: Re: Source books...
Date: Thu, 5 May 1994 15:57:02 -0700
> I was born in Oregon and agree with who ever it was that stated
>that the book is wrong.( sorry ) I was born in portland, and the place
>where the wall is supposed to be in shadowrun is near some residential areas.
>( last i checked so don't kill me, please )

Yes, the last you checked. A few years ago right? - well won't that change a
bit? Harlem NY was once one of the most Ritzy places in the city.

Also, the NAN took over and threw the white man out. The indian tribes who took
over the area didn't go to the city, they wanted the wilderness. The city
turned into a virtual ghost town. When the Elves came, they remade the WHOLE
place.


Nightfox
Message no. 23
From: "Robert A. Hayden" <hayden@*******.MANKATO.MSUS.EDU>
Subject: Re: Source books...
Date: Thu, 5 May 1994 18:53:47 -0500
On Thu, 5 May 1994, Bryan Prince wrote:

> How about it Fearless Leader? Where is NAGEE 5?

I don't know. I didn't write it.

Besides, I posted about this about two weeks ago.

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Message no. 24
From: The Powerhouse <P.C.Steele@*********.AC.UK>
Subject: Re: Source books.
Date: Thu, 5 May 1994 16:14:43 +0100
Just to add my opinion to the London Sourcebook I thought it was rather good
but then it is exactly what the title says a "London" source book. The comments
on the other areas and cities in the UK are flimsy at best and inacurate at
worst.

Keep an eye open for the Tyneside sprawl writeup coming to NERPS in the middle
of July !

Phill.
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Message no. 25
From: LISETTE M THERIOT <psy_lmt@***.LAMAR.EDU>
Subject: Sourcebooks
Date: Fri, 3 Feb 1995 23:38:05 -0600
I have the SR2 book, Street Sammuri (adapted), Grimore 2, Paranormal animals
of North America, Seattle Sourcebook, and the NeoArachnistic Guide to North
America. What should I get next?

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Message no. 26
From: Gurth <gurth@******.NL>
Subject: Re: Sourcebooks
Date: Sat, 4 Feb 1995 12:31:30 +0100
>I have the SR2 book, Street Sammuri (adapted), Grimore 2, Paranormal animals
>of North America, Seattle Sourcebook, and the NeoArachnistic Guide to North
>America. What should I get next?

Neo-A Guide to Real Life, Rigger Black Book, Virtual Realities (if you've
got a decker character), Shadowtech, Fields of Fire. Take your pick.


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Message no. 27
From: Matthew Deatherage <mddeath@*****.CIRC.GWU.EDU>
Subject: Sourcebooks
Date: Thu, 15 Jun 1995 14:05:32 -0400
Since we're on the topic I thought I'd post my list of sourcebooks you
really need to have, those you really should have and those which don't
really matter execpt in specialized situations.

Need:
the rules of course
Grimoire 2nd Edition

Should:
Shadowtech
Fields of Fire
Rigger Black Book
Street Samurai Catalog(doesn't matter which edition)
Virtual Realities(you may want to wait for 2nd edition to be released)
The location sourcebook of your hometown(i.e. Seattle Sourcebook)

The rest are mostly optional. Some are quite informative and
entertaining but you really won't miss them if you can't afford them.


Just my humble opinion.

-Prophet
Message no. 28
From: Dwayne MacKinnon <910252m@******.ACADIAU.CA>
Subject: Re: Sourcebooks
Date: Thu, 15 Jun 1995 15:22:30 -0300
Well,
I have to agree that the Main book and the Grimoire second ed. are
absolutely essential.
However, I didn't like Shadowtech. Converting stuff like the drain
code for the adrenal sack was frustrating. Plus, I couldn't make head
nor tail out of the cranial cyberdeck rules.
So, I sold my Shadowtech book to my GM. He likes it. :)
On a final note: If you have a Rigger in your group, he/she NEEDS
the Riggers Black book. Conversion from 1st Ed. to 2nd is no prob,
and without it a riggers life is mostly empty. Drones man, NEED MORE
DRONES!! :) :) :)

DMK

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Message no. 29
From: Michael Orion Jackson <moj0001@****.ACS.UNT.EDU>
Subject: Re: Sourcebooks
Date: Thu, 15 Jun 1995 13:35:49 -0500
On Thu, 15 Jun 1995, Dwayne MacKinnon wrote:

> Well,
> I have to agree that the Main book and the Grimoire second ed. are
> absolutely essential.
> However, I didn't like Shadowtech. Converting stuff like the drain
> code for the adrenal sack was frustrating. Plus, I couldn't make head
> nor tail out of the cranial cyberdeck rules.
Minor compare to the sheer amount of good stuff this book provides.
Converting damage is child's play. SRII dmg= (SRI
Power+Staging)(Woundlevel essentially unchanged. Shtgns. only exception)
Cranial decks? Just like regular deck construction. In fact, exactly
the same except for that additional task of calculating essence loss.
Did the "^" sign confuse you? :) Actually took me a while to figure
out, but I eventually realized it meant "raised to" as in "rasied to the
third power,etc."
> So, I sold my Shadowtech book to my GM. He likes it. :)
He should, I'm a GM, and I love my copy.
> On a final note: If you have a Rigger in your group, he/she NEEDS
> the Riggers Black book. Conversion from 1st Ed. to 2nd is no prob,
> and without it a riggers life is mostly empty. Drones man, NEED MORE
> DRONES!! :) :) :)
Fields of fire has some nice drones/vehicles, although not as many as
RBB. Also, I like FoF because it not only has neato equipment, it has
good new rules as well. And, I enjoyed Matador's mercenary article in
there. Great roleplaying tips for a merc PC.
>
> DMK
>
> --
> Dwayne MacKinnon My opinions are my own, never
> 910252m@******.acadiau.ca those of my employer.
>
Peace.
__________________________________________________________________________
|Michael Orion Jackson |"A college student is a mechanism for |
|moj0001@****.acs.unt.edu |converting caffeine into finished |
|>Flaming is immature.< |homework" -unknown, but perceptive author |
__________________________________________________________________________
Message no. 30
From: Dwayne MacKinnon <910252m@******.ACADIAU.CA>
Subject: Re: Sourcebooks
Date: Thu, 15 Jun 1995 15:57:38 -0300
>
> On Thu, 15 Jun 1995, Dwayne MacKinnon wrote:
>
> > Well,
> > I have to agree that the Main book and the Grimoire second ed. are
> > absolutely essential.
> > However, I didn't like Shadowtech. Converting stuff like the drain
> > code for the adrenal sack was frustrating. Plus, I couldn't make head
> > nor tail out of the cranial cyberdeck rules.
> Minor compare to the sheer amount of good stuff this book provides.
> Converting damage is child's play. SRII dmg= (SRI
> Power+Staging)(Woundlevel essentially unchanged. Shtgns. only exception)
> Cranial decks? Just like regular deck construction. In fact, exactly
> the same except for that additional task of calculating essence loss.
> Did the "^" sign confuse you? :) Actually took me a while to figure
> out, but I eventually realized it meant "raised to" as in "rasied to
the
> third power,etc."

Well,
I had difficulties figuring out a lot of stuff. Like the effects of the
different datajacks. I don't know... maybe if I had read Virtual Realities
it'd be easier.
Also, I think I tried the damage conversion formula you mention above.
I'm not sure it works out. I'll try it when I get home sometime. :)

DMK

--
Dwayne MacKinnon My opinions are my own, never
910252m@******.acadiau.ca those of my employer.
Message no. 31
From: Paul Jonathan Adam <Paul@********.DEMON.CO.UK>
Subject: Re: Sourcebooks
Date: Fri, 16 Jun 1995 00:57:27 GMT
In message <Pine.SOL.3.91.950615132910.29329B-100000@****.acs.unt.edu>
SHADOWRN@*****.nic.surfnet.nl writes:
> On Thu, 15 Jun 1995, Dwayne MacKinnon wrote:
>
> > Well,
> > I have to agree that the Main book and the Grimoire second ed. are
> > absolutely essential.
> > However, I didn't like Shadowtech. Converting stuff like the drain
> > code for the adrenal sack was frustrating. Plus, I couldn't make head
> > nor tail out of the cranial cyberdeck rules.
> Minor compare to the sheer amount of good stuff this book provides.
> Converting damage is child's play. SRII dmg= (SRI
> Power+Staging)(Woundlevel essentially unchanged. Shtgns. only exception)
> Cranial decks? Just like regular deck construction. In fact, exactly
> the same except for that additional task of calculating essence loss.
> Did the "^" sign confuse you? :) Actually took me a while to figure
> out, but I eventually realized it meant "raised to" as in "rasied to
the
> third power,etc."
> > So, I sold my Shadowtech book to my GM. He likes it. :)
> He should, I'm a GM, and I love my copy.
> > On a final note: If you have a Rigger in your group, he/she NEEDS
> > the Riggers Black book. Conversion from 1st Ed. to 2nd is no prob,
> > and without it a riggers life is mostly empty. Drones man, NEED MORE
> > DRONES!! :) :) :)
> Fields of fire has some nice drones/vehicles, although not as many as
> RBB. Also, I like FoF because it not only has neato equipment, it has
> good new rules as well. And, I enjoyed Matador's mercenary article in
> there. Great roleplaying tips for a merc PC.
> >
> > DMK
> >
> > --
> > Dwayne MacKinnon My opinions are my own, never
> > 910252m@******.acadiau.ca those of my employer.
> >
> Peace.
> __________________________________________________________________________
> |Michael Orion Jackson |"A college student is a mechanism for |
> |moj0001@****.acs.unt.edu |converting caffeine into finished |
> |>Flaming is immature.< |homework" -unknown, but perceptive author |
> __________________________________________________________________________
>
>

--
When you have shot and killed a man, you have defined your attitude towards
him. You have offered a definite answer to a definite problem. For better
or for worse, you have acted decisively.
In fact, the next move is up to him.

Paul J. Adam paul@********.demon.co.uk
Message no. 32
From: Matthew Deatherage <mddeath@*****.CIRC.GWU.EDU>
Subject: Re: Sourcebooks
Date: Thu, 15 Jun 1995 22:08:11 -0400
On Thu, 15 Jun 1995, Dwayne MacKinnon wrote:
> On a final note: If you have a Rigger in your group, he/she NEEDS
> the Riggers Black book. Conversion from 1st Ed. to 2nd is no prob,
> and without it a riggers life is mostly empty. Drones man, NEED MORE
> DRONES!! :) :) :)

I agree, the RBB is the best repository for drone information.
FoF has a couple(including the very nice Condor II) and the new Corporate
Securities Handbook(interesting) has another. NAGEE's recent issue has
several drone models built for marine duty(surface and submersible) and
rules for mini torpedos.

As for converting the damage codes to 2nd edition from
Shadowtech, I agree it's a pain. I find the book invaluable though, you
ain't seen nothin' till you wrestled a troll with muscle augmentation 4.
I love the bioware section. Also the rules for Dikote turn your street
slicer into a car opener.


-Prophet
Message no. 33
From: Tim Serpas <wretch@**.COM>
Subject: Re: Sourcebooks
Date: Thu, 15 Jun 1995 23:39:40 -0500
On Thu, 15 Jun 1995, Matthew Deatherage wrote:
> As for converting the damage codes to 2nd edition from
> Shadowtech, I agree it's a pain. I find the book invaluable though, you

At the time of the writing of Shadowtech, FASA knew that they'd be coming out
with the second ed. and that second ed. would have only stagings of 2,
thus nearly everything in Shadowtech has a staging of two. No conversions
necesary.


As for Rigger's Black Book, I think most things needing conversion are
taken care of in the main 2nd ed. rule book, but Fields of Fire doesn't
have all the stats you need, only the basics. RBB will tell you how
many doors you have, if roll bars or APPS are included, etc. FoF tells
you most of what you need to know about the Ford Americar, but RBB let's
you know that they come in 2 and 4 door varieties, as well as sedan and
station wagon versions (for those 'runners with families and groceries
to make :-) ).


Tim Serpas :Geek Code v.2.1: GS d- H++>+++ s:- !g p1 auVW a- w+ v+ C+
BS Physics : U P? !L !3 E---- N++ K++ W M- !V -po+ Y+>++ t+ !5 j+>$
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Message no. 34
From: Matthew Deatherage <mddeath@*****.CIRC.GWU.EDU>
Subject: Re: Sourcebooks
Date: Fri, 16 Jun 1995 04:40:14 -0400
Talking about the Rigger Black Book made me remember one of my
complaints about said book. Each vehicle entry begins with a
commercial-style description of the machine followed by game values.
Sometimes, the game values don't include everything in the description.
For example, the blurb states that the car has APPS, Roll Bars, etc. but
several of those are not listed under the Options heading. Bad
proofreading?
A second gripe is that the RBB makes no provisions for the
construction of vehicles. Sorry to all you who wanted to build your own car.


-Prophet
Message no. 35
From: Michael Orion Jackson <moj0001@****.ACS.UNT.EDU>
Subject: Re: Sourcebooks
Date: Fri, 16 Jun 1995 07:38:48 -0500
On Thu, 15 Jun 1995, Dwayne MacKinnon wrote:

> >
> > On Thu, 15 Jun 1995, Dwayne MacKinnon wrote:
> >
> > > Well,
> > > I have to agree that the Main book and the Grimoire second ed. are
> > > absolutely essential.
> > > However, I didn't like Shadowtech. Converting stuff like the drain
> > > code for the adrenal sack was frustrating. Plus, I couldn't make head
> > > nor tail out of the cranial cyberdeck rules.
> > Minor compare to the sheer amount of good stuff this book provides.
> > Converting damage is child's play. SRII dmg= (SRI
> > Power+Staging)(Woundlevel essentially unchanged. Shtgns. only exception)
> > Cranial decks? Just like regular deck construction. In fact, exactly
> > the same except for that additional task of calculating essence loss.
> > Did the "^" sign confuse you? :) Actually took me a while to figure
> > out, but I eventually realized it meant "raised to" as in "rasied
to the
> > third power,etc."
>
> Well,
> I had difficulties figuring out a lot of stuff. Like the effects of the
> different datajacks. I don't know... maybe if I had read Virtual Realities
> it'd be easier.
> Also, I think I tried the damage conversion formula you mention above.
> I'm not sure it works out. I'll try it when I get home sometime. :)
>
> DMK
>
> --
> Dwayne MacKinnon My opinions are my own, never
> 910252m@******.acadiau.ca those of my employer.
>
I think they offer different upload/download rates. In other words, the
better datajacks can upload from/download to a system more information in
a given turn. NIce when you're trying to get a 3,000 Mp file and you've
got black ice lurking around behind you...
I actually didn't like VR too much. The rules were OK, but half of the
book was taken up by a novella. An interesting novella, but when I pay
fifteen goddamn dollars for a sourcebook, I expect useful information
from page one to the last page. Fiction does not count as useful
information to me. Ah well, no accounting for the actions of fools or
FASA...(isn't that redundant?)
__________________________________________________________________________
|Michael Orion Jackson |"A college student is a mechanism for |
|moj0001@****.acs.unt.edu |converting caffeine into finished |
|>Flaming is immature.< |homework" -unknown, but perceptive author |
__________________________________________________________________________
Message no. 36
From: "A. Blair Blackwell" <ab130f92@*******.adelphi.edu>
Subject: sourcebooks
Date: Thu, 14 Mar 1996 10:15:51 -0500
Andre raises a good point. We still don't have a Japan Sourcebook. Why do we
need one? Simple there a multiple Japanese corps., Japans currency is common
in the world (i.e: it is a world power), and we always get hints about it. I
think we really need one if the SR world is goning to contiue. I understand
when the put out an England and germany sourcebook but the Japan one should
have a higher priority.

BLAIR
Message no. 37
From: neon@******.backbone.olemiss.edu (Mike Broadwater)
Subject: Re: sourcebooks
Date: Thu, 14 Mar 1996 09:40:15 -0600
>Andre raises a good point. We still don't have a Japan Sourcebook. Why do we
>need one? Simple there a multiple Japanese corps., Japans currency is common
>in the world (i.e: it is a world power), and we always get hints about it. I
>think we really need one if the SR world is goning to contiue. I understand
>when the put out an England and germany sourcebook but the Japan one should
>have a higher priority.
>
I will once again pull out what I remember from the GenCon '95 game fair
shadowrunning seminar on what DLoH said about country sourcebooks. Anyone
who doesn't wish to believe me for what ever reason has every right to.

The question was asked why there wasn't a Japan sourcebook, and Tom Dowd
said that they (FASA) prefered that whoever wrote the sourcebooks for
different countrys was a person who had lived there for a long time, and
preferably, was a native. This would allow more depth than if a researcher
went wherever for a little while and tried to write one. In this case,
after the company that prints and sells SR in Japan writes a sourcebook,
FASA will take it, translated it, and sell it. Like what they did with
Germany. However, DLoH said that if the Japanese company didn't write one
soon, they(FASA) was going to have to. I don't know what the plan is now (I
don't work for FASA) or if that's changed or if they said "screw Japan,
they've got enough sourcebooks" :) All I do know is that was said in
august, and we still haven't heard anything.

We need an official FASA netrep who'd be willing to answer questions like
this. My god, they've got to have at least _one_ computer hooked up to the
internet _somewhere_

Mike Broadwater
http://www.olemiss.edu/~neon
"You only need two things in this world. WD40 to make things go, and
duct tape to make them stop."
Message no. 38
From: Kenneth Horner <kwhorner@*******.edu>
Subject: Re: sourcebooks
Date: Thu, 14 Mar 1996 12:51:23 -0800 (PST)
On Thu, 14 Mar 1996, A. Blair Blackwell wrote:

> Andre raises a good point. We still don't have a Japan Sourcebook. Why do we
> need one? Simple there a multiple Japanese corps., Japans currency is common
> in the world (i.e: it is a world power), and we always get hints about it. I
> think we really need one if the SR world is goning to contiue. I understand
> when the put out an England and germany sourcebook but the Japan one should
> have a higher priority.
>
> BLAIR
>
>
Sam says its cause the Japanese are writing it and it will need to be
translated. If you thought the wait for the Germany source book was
long, you beter get some prozac......

Nutcracker
Message no. 39
From: ftmck@**.netcom.com (Frank McKinney )
Subject: Re: sourcebooks
Date: Thu, 14 Mar 1996 17:32:27 -0800
You wrote:
>
>Andre raises a good point. We still don't have a Japan Sourcebook. Why
do we
>need one? Simple there a multiple Japanese corps., Japans currency is
common
>in the world (i.e: it is a world power), and we always get hints about
it. I
>think we really need one if the SR world is goning to contiue. I
understand
>when the put out an England and germany sourcebook but the Japan one
should
>have a higher priority.
>
>BLAIR
>
>
For players/GMs looking for Japanese source material, there is an
excellent site with links to several roleplaying sites (including TORG
and Shadowrun) and Japan in general. Try it out:

http://www.io.com/~nishio/japan/index.html

The Shadowrun site is done in Japan. How much closer can you get?

Frank
Message no. 40
From: melchar@****.darkside.com (Melchar)
Subject: Re: sourcebooks
Date: Thu, 14 Mar 96 18:29:18 PST
Well, there is a 'Net Shadowrun sourcebook for Japan. (A friend of
mine noticed it, dl'd it and is planning to give me a copy the next time
we meet [live].)
Message no. 41
From: Bob <R3EGK@***.CC.UAKRON.EDU>
Subject: Re: sourcebooks
Date: Fri, 15 Mar 96 15:15:41 EST
Mike B.

I'm sure they have lots of 'puters hooked up to the net, but they probably just
don't have a person that they hired only to answer the questions posted by all
of us...
though I do wish they did
(((((if anyone knows any different please correct me)))))
--<<<<Wishfull Thinker in Washington>>>>--
"ZZZZZZZZZZ"
--Bob(ZZZZZZ)
Message no. 42
From: Michael Yagupsky <myagup@*******.bgu.ac.il>
Subject: Source books
Date: Sat, 16 Mar 1996 02:01:55 +0300 (IDT)
>they (FASA) prefered that whoever wrote the sourcebooks for different
>countries was a person who had lived there for a long time, and
>preferably, was a native.

Well, since I'm writing a home page, I am doing a Anarchist's guide to
north america style entry of Israel (with the Peace process and Jerusalem
as the main issues).
Just thought I'd comment.

Mike Yagupsky
Message no. 43
From: tsbtal@********.com (Tal Kedem)
Subject: Re: Source books
Date: Fri, 15 Mar 1996 19:30:06 -0500
On Mar 16, 1996 02:01:55, 'Michael Yagupsky <myagup@*******.bgu.ac.il>'
wrote:


>>they (FASA) prefered that whoever wrote the sourcebooks for different
>>countries was a person who had lived there for a long time, and
>>preferably, was a native.
>
>Well, since I'm writing a home page, I am doing a Anarchist's guide to
>north america style entry of Israel (with the Peace process and Jerusalem

>as the main issues).
>Just thought I'd comment.
>
>Mike Yagupsky

YES! A fellow Israeli Shadowrunner, mind on sharing the URL (or URL to be)
with us?

Also, are you <perhaps> acceping submissions? :)

--
-Lord Tallion <Tal Kedem>
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-tallion@******.net -
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Message no. 44
From: Sascha Pabst <Sascha.Pabst@****.informatik.uni-oldenburg.de>
Subject: Re: sourcebooks
Date: Sat, 16 Mar 1996 15:17:34 +0100 (MET)
Blair wrote:
> Andre raises a good point. We still don't have a Japan Sourcebook. Why do we
> need one? Simple there a multiple Japanese corps., Japans currency is common
> in the world (i.e: it is a world power), and we always get hints about it. I
> think we really need one if the SR world is goning to contiue. I understand
> when the put out an England and germany sourcebook but the Japan one should
> have a higher priority.
Although I agree with you, be careful: The Germany Sourcebook was developed
by Fanpro, the German distributor of Shadowrun (and other FASA Stuff, I
think). It was then translated (being the first supplement of an English
game being translated into English from German, I think... :-).

I doubt FASA put much work (or priority) on this...

Sascha
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Message no. 45
From: zaeki@********.com
Subject: Source books
Date: Sun, 17 Mar 1996 02:31:58 -0500
IS>>they (FASA) prefered that whoever wrote the sourcebooks for different
IS>>countries was a person who had lived there for a long time, and
IS>>preferably, was a native.

IS>Well, since I'm writing a home page, I am doing a Anarchist's guide to
IS>north america style entry of Israel (with the Peace process and Jerusalem
IS>as the main issues).
IS>Just thought I'd comment.

IS>Mike Yagupsky

What's the address? (or E-Mail it when it's up)
Message no. 46
From: Mike Yagupsky <myagup@*******.bgu.ac.il>
Subject: Re: Source books
Date: Sun, 17 Mar 1996 22:57:26 +0300 (IDT)
On Sun, 17 Mar 1996 zaeki@********.com wrote:

>
> IS>>they (FASA) prefered that whoever wrote the sourcebooks for different
> IS>>countries was a person who had lived there for a long time, and
> IS>>preferably, was a native.
>
> IS>Well, since I'm writing a home page, I am doing a Anarchist's guide to
> IS>north america style entry of Israel (with the Peace process and Jerusalem
> IS>as the main issues).
> IS>Just thought I'd comment.
>
> IS>Mike Yagupsky
>
> What's the address? (or E-Mail it when it's up)
>
>
Sure Will.
Message no. 47
From: CHARLIE@*******.com
Subject: Sourcebooks?
Date: Mon, 8 Jul 1996 07:47:09 -0400
Does anybody know where I can find some sourcebooks for things such
as Lone Star, Seattle, VR 2.0, etc.?


John Penta-Player with a GM without an adventure.
Message no. 48
From: Faux Pas <fauxpas@******.net>
Subject: Re: Sourcebooks?
Date: Mon, 8 Jul 1996 13:25:27 -0500
At 07:47 AM 7/8/96 -0400, you wrote:
>as Lone Star, Seattle, VR 2.0, etc.?
>
>
> John Penta-Player with a GM without an adventure.
>

Majordomo strips out the first line in your message if you start it with an
indention, a space, or a blank line.

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Cartoonist At Large

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-Today's Magic 8-Ball answer
Message no. 49
From: Mark Steedman <M.J.Steedman@***.RGU.AC.UK>
Subject: source books
Date: Wed, 20 Nov 1996 12:44:03 GMT
> > Just check out the SSC revised edition. The re-ran it with the SRII conversions
> > so. Basically gives you all the background info not just the one-liner stats
> > you get in the SRII or FoF tables.
>
> I have looked into the SSC 2nd ed book, and it definitely is not worth
> spending money on if you have the first edition and the SRII mainbook.
>
The differences amount to three pages blanked out (banned in 2nd ed -
becasue they are obsolete, reactive triggers, larger clips etc are
standard in 2nd ed). And they changed about 1/2 to 2/3rds of the
damage codes to 2nd edition format, [sorry FASA you missed a few] if
you have not got the book and are not one of the few people that
prefer 1st edition buy the 2nded version, otherwise ignore it.

True rewrites can be identified if needed by the 79xx product code.
anything with 'converted for 2nd edition' on it sold under the main
71xx and 72xx SR product codes implies FASA just changed a few damage
codes for compatability with the present SR2 main book when they
reprinted it, which is better than expecting every new player that
never player 1sted to convert all the damage codes themselves for
ever more. The exception is NAGRL which lists both sets of damage
codes as standard, i assume therefore it came out abut when 2nded did
[but have never checked]

Mark
Message no. 50
From: Faux Pas <thomas@*******.COM>
Subject: Sourcebooks
Date: Fri, 10 Jan 1997 13:07:18 -0600
At 12:42 PM 1/10/97 -0500, you wrote:
>I'll have to disagree that the Corp Shaodw Files is not worth the money.
>IMHO it is THE necessary bok for GMing Shadowrun.; The other books tell you
>what kind of opposition the team will face, how they'll be equipped, etc.
>The CSF helps you determine WHY the run is happening. There are more plot
>ideas per page than in any other sourcebook for almost any other game that
>I have seen. It also includes a fairly lagre amount of information on the
>Big Eight (aztechnology excluded.)

Then again, so will any Economics 101 textbook. As comparing Corporate
Shadowfiles with the other sourcebooks, I'd have to say it's down near the
bottom. And worth the money? Nope. The only thing I got out of it that I
couldn't have gotten from a textbook is the actual megacorp listings in the
back, and even then, you don't get Aztechnology. Most of the sourcebooks
FASA puts out feel like they're from the Shadowrun world, this one felt
like a modern (boring) text with a coating of Shadowrun.

>OTOH, you are one of the few people I've seen who had anything good to say
>about Corp Sec Handbook. (I liked it though.)

Count me in there, as well. CorpSec is a pretty good book - for planning
adequate defenses for a site. And a better read than Shadowfiles, IMO.


-Thomas Deeny
telltale.hart.org

"Oo. Ninjas."
-The Tick, "Night of a Billion Zillion Ninjas"
Message no. 51
From: Jonathan Hurley <jhurley1@************.EDU>
Subject: Re: Sourcebooks
Date: Sat, 11 Jan 1997 10:45:30 -0500
Faux Pas[SMTP:thomas@*******.COM] wrote:
>At 12:42 PM 1/10/97 -0500, you wrote:
>>I'll have to disagree that the Corp Shaodw Files is not worth the money.
>>IMHO it is THE necessary bok for GMing Shadowrun.; The other books tell you
>>what kind of opposition the team will face, how they'll be equipped, etc.
>>The CSF helps you determine WHY the run is happening. There are more plot
>>ideas per page than in any other sourcebook for almost any other game that
>>I have seen. It also includes a fairly lagre amount of information on the
>>Big Eight (aztechnology excluded.)
>
>Then again, so will any Economics 101 textbook. As comparing Corporate
>Shadowfiles with the other sourcebooks, I'd have to say it's down near the
>bottom. And worth the money? Nope. The only thing I got out of it that I
>couldn't have gotten from a textbook is the actual megacorp listings in the
>back, and even then, you don't get Aztechnology. Most of the sourcebooks
>FASA puts out feel like they're from the Shadowrun world, this one felt
>like a modern (boring) text with a coating of Shadowrun.
>
>>OTOH, you are one of the few people I've seen who had anything good to say
>>about Corp Sec Handbook. (I liked it though.)
>
>Count me in there, as well. CorpSec is a pretty good book - for planning
>adequate defenses for a site. And a better read than Shadowfiles, IMO.

There is also a fair amount of general shadowrun history in it, a chunk of which is not
available anywhere else.

I find that the CSF is one of my most-referenced SRII books. To each their own.

(The other reason to prefer it to a standard econ textbook is that it is better written
and more accessible.)


From a Gateway 2000 manual:
Sucking all the chips off your system board with an industrial strength wet/dry vac is not
covered by your warranty
mailto:jhurley1@************.edu
Message no. 52
From: MC23 <mc23@****.NET>
Subject: Re: Sourcebooks
Date: Sun, 12 Jan 1997 02:47:13 -0500
Jonathan Hurley wrote,
>I find that the CSF is one of my most-referenced SRII books. To each their
>own.

And where do you live? B>]#

- MC23, living in a town with an inferiority complex -
"What would Frued say about city-envy?"
Message no. 53
From: Jonathan Hurley <jhurley1@************.EDU>
Subject: Re: Sourcebooks
Date: Sun, 12 Jan 1997 09:09:30 -0500
MC23[SMTP:mc23@****.NET] wrote:
>Jonathan Hurley wrote,
>>I find that the CSF is one of my most-referenced SRII books. To each
their
>>own.
>
> And where do you live? B>]#

I live in Hoboken NJ most of the year (That's where I'm going to college.)
Right now I'm living at home with my folks in Faifax County, VA. (Right
smack where the NAGTNA puts the third open airport in the FDC section
(Thomas Jefferson or whatever it's called.)


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Message no. 54
From: 'Spaceman' WD Lee <spaced@*.WASHINGTON.EDU>
Subject: Re: Sourcebooks
Date: Sun, 12 Jan 1997 15:44:19 -0800
On Sun, 12 Jan 1997, Jonathan Hurley wrote:
# Right now I'm living at home with my folks in Faifax County, VA. (Right
# smack where the NAGTNA puts the third open airport in the FDC section
# (Thomas Jefferson or whatever it's called.)
#
And a darn good thing too! (Sorry, I hated living in that area)

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Message no. 55
From: Jonathan Hurley <jhurley1@************.EDU>
Subject: Re: Sourcebooks
Date: Mon, 13 Jan 1997 21:07:39 -0500
'Spaceman' WD Lee[SMTP:spaced@*.WASHINGTON.EDU] wrote:
>On Sun, 12 Jan 1997, Jonathan Hurley wrote:
># Right now I'm living at home with my folks in Faifax County, VA. (Right
># smack where the NAGTNA puts the third open airport in the FDC section
># (Thomas Jefferson or whatever it's called.)
>#
> And a darn good thing too! (Sorry, I hated living in that area)
>
> Spaceman-military-brat-and-former-res-of-Annandale
>


But it isn't in Annandale. Annandale is still around. They just wiped out a good chunk of
Burke (Next zip code over from springfield...)

And annandale *is* the pits


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Message no. 56
From: Matthew Waddilove <m_waddilove@*******.COM>
Subject: Source Books
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1998 07:25:39 PDT
Could people please advise me on the best Source books/Novels to read to
get up to speed on the SR plot line?
I've got most of the rule style books but not the place books apart from
Seattle and NAGNA
Well here's the list
BBB
GRIM2
RBB
R2
Cybertech
Shadowtech
CyberPirates
VR2
VR
Seattle
NAGNA

and the novel Streets of Blood

TIA
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Message no. 57
From: Lehlan Decker <decker@****.FSU.EDU>
Subject: Re: Source Books
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1998 10:42:44 -0500
>
> Could people please advise me on the best Source books/Novels to read to
> get up to speed on the SR plot line?
> I've got most of the rule style books but not the place books apart from
> Seattle and NAGNA
> Well here's the list
> BBB
> GRIM2
> RBB
> R2
> Cybertech
> Shadowtech
> CyberPirates
> VR2
> VR
> Seattle
> NAGNA
>
Hmm..well the Election 2057, and Dunks Will, both are fairly recent.
From there Blood in the Boardroom just came out. (Along with
S. Kenson's TechnoBabel novel). This would cover the sig events in
the last few years.
Fasa looks like its fixing to do alot of cleanup and revamp.
New Seattle book is also due out before the end of the year.
Hmm..working backwards from the above books, there's Bug City and
Target:UCAS, which Chicago being walled off, and the aftermath.
(I think the novels that delt with the Chicago events was Burning
Bright).
Hmm..there was also the Underworld sourcebook and associated module,
that delt with a mob boss death in seattle (fairly recent in the time
line). I'm sure the rest will add things I've forgotten.
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Message no. 58
From: BadKarhma <BadKarhma@***.COM>
Subject: Re: Source Books
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1998 11:04:17 EDT
Matt Wrote:

Could people please advise me on the best Source books/Novels to read to
get up to speed on the SR plot line?
I've got most of the rule style books but not the place books apart from
Seattle and NAGNA
Well here's the list
BBB
GRIM2
RBB
R2
Cybertech
Shadowtech
CyberPirates
VR2
VR
Seattle
NAGNA

and the novel Streets of Blood

TIA
-Matthew Waddilove
-----------------------

You might want to read the Dragonheat saga as well as technobabel, and
headhunters. Fields of Fire is a good sourcebook, and the Harlequin
adventures are excelent as well.

Chezz
Message no. 59
From: The Vagabond <nomad74@*******.COM>
Subject: Re: Source Books
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1998 08:15:37 PDT
>Could people please advise me on the best Source books/Novels to read
to
>get up to speed on the SR plot line?

Just like the man says, depends on which plot line. The "Plot line of
the Year" is the Corp War theme. Technobabel leads up to it, Blood in
the Boardroom is the newest book(I think it's an adventure book) and
Corp War(!) is coming out soon as well. Check out http://www.fasa.com
for more info on release dates.
If you want to follow another plot line, be more specific :)
I believe the other post on this thread covers the majority of them.
And "Aztlan" and PoaD are good sourcebooks that cover many different
reoccuring aspects of the SR world.


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Message no. 60
From: Cobra <wgallas@*****.FR>
Subject: Re: Source Books
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1998 20:41:16 +0200
>Could people please advise me on the best Source books/Novels to read to
>get up to speed on the SR plot line?
>I've got most of the rule style books but not the place books apart from
>Seattle and NAGNA
>Well here's the list
>BBB
>GRIM2
>RBB
>R2
>Cybertech
>Shadowtech
>CyberPirates
>VR2
>VR
>Seattle
>NAGNA
>
>and the novel Streets of Blood

Some have advised you on specific plots. For the general background
informations :
* Corporate Shadowfiles : Essentially how do megacorps gain money and what
are the rules to fight each other. Really good read but not essential for
play.
* Lone Star : Everything about LS. IMO, it's a must have. A lot of
background and some attributes for LS officers. Very good.
* Shadowbeat : The subject is the media. It could have been very
interesting but it isn't. The background isn't very good (although there
are some good things) and the rules are awful...
* Sprawl Sites : Don't buy it. There are maps that I don't find useful at
all and encounters that can make you laugh (or cry) but not more...

* Tir Tairngire : It's about the elven nation. Written by Nigel Finley (he
was the best IMO). Very good stuff and read. You don't need it if you don't
use IE and don't plan to send your players in TT and encounter elves from
there.
* Tir Na Nog : The irish elven nation. I like it a lot but you won't need
it if you don't send your players in Europe.
* Germany Sourcebook : Not a bad really but it's a bit "germans are the
best". Could be useful if you play in Europe.
* France Sourcebook : Not available in english.
* London Sourcebook : Not very useful, even if you run in England. Don't
buy it.
* Aztlan Sourcebook : Very good. You need it if you GM SR. A lot of stuff
about Aztlan and Aztechnology.

* Threats : It is good and is needed if you like big plots involving big
players.

- Cobra.
Message no. 61
From: Erik Jameson <erikj@****.COM>
Subject: Re: Source Books
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1998 14:36:40 -0400
At 07:25 AM 4/15/98 PDT, you wrote:
>Could people please advise me on the best Source books/Novels to read to
>get up to speed on the SR plot line?
>I've got most of the rule style books but not the place books apart from
>Seattle and NAGNA
>Well here's the list

I'm assuming that the list was of books that you currently have.

Here's a few you should get.

Fields of Fire, if you can find it. It, and the Street Samurai Catalog,
will be replaced by the SR3 Cannon Companion, due out sometime in the next
year.

Target: UCAS, gives the current state of the union.

Underworld, details organized crime. Good book overall, has a companion
adventure.

The Election 2057 plot and the death of Dunkelzahn plot are past, but still
make for some excellent reading. The only thing approaching "must have" is
the Portfolio of a Dragon (the Big D's will), but that's best as adventure
hooks and as a foundation for the later events coming to fruition now, such
as the new adventure, Blood in the Boardroom (which is about the only
must-have adventure out right now).

Aztlan is a good book, but only needed if you plan on using the Azzies a lot.

Bug City is a good read, but badly dated by more current events.

Awakenings is an outstanding book on magic. The only glitch is that it,
and the Grimmy, will be replaced by the rumored Magic in the Shadows.

And don't forget that in August/September, the Third Edition of Shadowrun
is due out. Knowing how much Mike Mulvihill is recasting Shadowrun into
this own image (as opposed to that of Tom Dowd) I would not be suprised
that Mike would take this opportunity to make some changes in the game.
What, I don't know, or how significant. But it would be in keeping with
what Mike has been doing recently; under him we have the death of a
president/dragon and a major shakeup of the corporate world. What might he
do to the rules if given a chance?

That's should be a good start for you.

Erik J.


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