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Message no. 1
From: John D Tarter <shintaro1@****.COM>
Subject: Spam or not to Spam... OT
Date: Wed, 12 Feb 1997 18:58:51 EST
On Wed, 12 Feb 1997 16:52:06 -0600 "Faux Pas (Thomas)"
<thomas@*******.COM> writes:
>At 08:28 PM 2/12/97 -0500, you wrote:
>>Just a note to those who responded violently to the one person's
>posting of
>
>That was me. I stand by my position that none of the mailing lists
>that
>iTribe provides is a proper forum for that type of message.
>
>True or not, the message didn't refer to any particular docket, nor
>any
>specific place where any information could be found regarding the
>content
>of the message. It read as a revision of the modem tax urban legend
>(found
>under the classic section of www.urbanlegends.com), and urged people
>to
>send e-mail to a certain address without checking on information. As
>it
>was written, it gave out scant information - none of it detailed - and
>urged readers to immediately send e-mail. In short, it was intended
>to
>provoke an immediate response to an individual, who possibly was
>e-mail
>bombed by people who didn't know what they were yelling about.
>
>The message that was forwarded to everyone on this list told of the
>FCC
>trying to charge more money for internet access. The e-mail to
>address
>indicates that what is in question is for the Internet Access &
>Information
>Service Provider NOI (CC Docket No. 96-263).
>
>Internet Access & Information Service Provider NOI
>The NOI seeks comment on whether the FCC should, in addition to access
>charge reform, consider actions relating to the implications of
>information
>service and Internet access provider usage of the public switched
>network.
>In particular, in light of concerns raised over congestion on the
>public
>switched network, the Commission seeks comment on how it can most
>effectively create incentives for the deployment of services and
>facilities
>to allow more efficient transport of data traffic to and from end
>users.
>The Commission made no specific proposals, but tentatively concluded
>that
>providers of information services (including Internet service
>providers)
>should not be subject to the interstate access charges that local
>telephone
>companies currently assess on long-distance carriers.
>
>Comment Date: March 24, 1997
>Reply Comment Date: April 23, 1997
>
>Let's read that part again:
>
>The Commission made no specific proposals, but tentatively concluded
>that
>providers of information services (including Internet service
>providers)
>should not be subject to the interstate access charges that local
>telephone
>companies currently assess on long-distance carriers.
>
>In other words, the FCC is NOT proposing that ISPs pay additional
>money for
>access, the opposite of the initial post.
>
>The initial post was [1] not a proper post for this mailing list, [2]
>misleading, [3] irrelevant to a good portion of this mailing list, and
>[4]
>wrong. In other words, a complete waste of time and bandwidth. It's
>a
>bullshit post that is a revision of the 'modem tax' UL.
>
>
>
>
> Thomas Deeny
>Infobahn Austin
> 512 320 0556
>
Whether it is irrelevent to the list or not, It IS A MATTER OF CONCERN
and should be treated as such. Not only that, but a concerned list member
was trying to warn us all about something he believed to be true. I seem
to remember reading an article about this subject in The New York Times.
Please try not to be so harsh when someone is trying to help whether he
is incorrect or not.
~Shintaro

Cold hearted orb that rules the night,
blinds the colors from our sight,
red is gray and yellow is white,
but you decide which is right shintaro1@****.com
and which is an illusion. http://members.aol.com/jhndvd865/
Message no. 2
From: Bull <chaos@*****.COM>
Subject: Re: Spam or not to Spam... OT
Date: Wed, 12 Feb 1997 19:52:45 -0500
At 06:58 PM 2/12/97 EST, John D Tarter spouted this nonsense:

[SNIP Faux Pas's message about FCC]

>Whether it is irrelevent to the list or not, It IS A MATTER OF CONCERN
>and should be treated as such. Not only that, but a concerned list member
>was trying to warn us all about something he believed to be true. I seem
>to remember reading an article about this subject in The New York Times.
>Please try not to be so harsh when someone is trying to help whether he
>is incorrect or not.
>~Shintaro
>
Woah... Shintaro... PLease...

A little SNIPPY SNIPPY with your posts...:)

Thanks...

Bull
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Message no. 3
From: Brett Borger <bxb121@***.EDU>
Subject: Re: Spam or not to Spam... OT
Date: Wed, 12 Feb 1997 22:45:35 -0500
>
>A little SNIPPY SNIPPY with your posts...:)
>
>Thanks...

I am actually at this minute writing a document for my organization about
this....they all quote the entire message AT THE END of their
replies.....and they will do this bouncing the message back and forth 9
times or more....Sigs and everything...

Sigh.

-=SwiftOne=-
Message no. 4
From: Faux Pas <thomas@*******.COM>
Subject: Re: Spam or not to Spam... OT
Date: Wed, 12 Feb 1997 19:54:18 -0600
At 06:58 PM 2/12/97 EST, you wrote:
>Whether it is irrelevent to the list or not, It IS A MATTER OF CONCERN
>and should be treated as such. Not only that, but a concerned list member
>was trying to warn us all about something he believed to be true. I seem
>to remember reading an article about this subject in The New York Times.

Okay, have you received the spam e-mail? And have you also visited the FCC
page to verify what the mail said? Or did you pass on the mail message to
others without verifying the content?

>Please try not to be so harsh when someone is trying to help whether he
>is incorrect or not.

I'm not slamming that person - I don't even know who it was that posted the
message - I'm slamming the message itself. The message was incorrect about
the nature of the docket before the FCC. The spam mail has mislead many
about what is really going on and has most likely prompted a flood of
e-mail to the FCC.

Actually, I'm glad that someone on this list was concerned enough to warn
others of something as important as this. I only wish that he or she
verified the points in the message before posting it to all of iTribe's
mailing lists.

And from my first post on this subject: Think before you forward.



-Thomas Deeny
telltale.hart.org

"When I said I would die a bachelor, I did not think I should live till I
were married."
- Benedick, "Much Ado About Nothing"
Message no. 5
From: Brett Borger <bxb121@***.EDU>
Subject: Re: Spam or not to Spam... OT
Date: Wed, 12 Feb 1997 23:55:18 -0500
>Actually, I'm glad that someone on this list was concerned enough to warn
>others of something as important as this. I only wish that he or she
>verified the points in the message before posting it to all of iTribe's
>mailing lists.
>
>And from my first post on this subject: Think before you forward.

Here Here! A lot of these messages are good things. (Haughton-Mifflins
book giveaway, for example). It's important, both for personal sanity and
the real messages, that these be verified before sent on. Otherwise we'll
just ignore them all, and we will miss the real ones.

-=SwiftOne=-
Message no. 6
From: Dvixen <dvixen@********.COM>
Subject: Re: Spam or not to Spam... OT
Date: Wed, 12 Feb 1997 23:30:21 -0800
First of all.
Take it off the list! We don't need to read the running commentary of
whether the post is accurate or not.

Second of all. The OT thing is getting out of hand. *Especially* when a
thread starts as a OT thread. Spam is Spam is Spam. That's it. Fine some
people like to get this sort of nonsense, but some us of see it multiple
times, from multiple sources. If I wanted to get this crap, I'd read the
Newsgroups, or find a list dedicated to Spam. I'm here to read Shadowrun
discussion. (Friendly banter as well, so long as it dies a quick death.)

*sigh*

I second Fro's decision to delete accounts for repeated OT posts, and I
wish everyone would keep that in mind when they reply to the list. Reading
post after post that has nothing to do with SR is... annoying, to say the
least.

Fro, would you be willing to having people who feel the need to posts
warnings like the FCC post, first check with you or Mark (although Mark is
buzy, being a new dad) for posting permission? This has been done on other
lists, with great success.

Dvixen-who-is-getting-rapidly-annoyed

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Message no. 7
From: Spike <u5a77@*****.CS.KEELE.AC.UK>
Subject: Re: Spam or not to Spam... OT
Date: Thu, 13 Feb 1997 13:42:02 +0000
Point number 1: Ever heard of the delete key? It's that nice little key with
the word "Delete" written on it.....

TRY USING IT!

|Whether it is irrelevent to the list or not, It IS A MATTER OF CONCERN
|and should be treated as such.

It is only a matter of concern to AMERICANS!
People on this side of the pond have NEVER had free local calls, so it IS
TOTALLY IRRELEVANT AND A USELESS WASTE OF BANDWIDTH!!!!!

Not only that, but a concerned list member
|was trying to warn us all about something he believed to be true.

Well, he (or she) should GET A CLUE!

I seem
|to remember reading an article about this subject in The New York Times.
|Please try not to be so harsh when someone is trying to help whether he
|is incorrect or not.

If they'd bothered to read the FAQs for plotd, shadowrn, nerps and shadowtk,
they would have KNOWN the response they would get!

The moron deserved all the flamage he got.

Especially for posting the crap to shadowtk as well!
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Message no. 8
From: John D Tarter <shintaro1@****.COM>
Subject: Re: Spam or not to Spam... OT
Date: Thu, 13 Feb 1997 17:51:13 EST
>>
>Woah... Shintaro... PLease...
>
>A little SNIPPY SNIPPY with your posts...:)
>
>Thanks...

Sorry about that <g>! A bad sinus headache can sometimes make me feel
that way. Please forgive any stepped on toes, and have a nice day :-)
~Shintaro

Cold hearted orb that rules the night,
blinds the colors from our sight,
red is gray and yellow is white,
but you decide which is right shintaro1@****.com
and which is an illusion. http://members.aol.com/jhndvd865/
Message no. 9
From: Bull <chaos@*****.COM>
Subject: Re: Spam or not to Spam... OT
Date: Fri, 14 Feb 1997 01:56:49 -0500
At 05:51 PM 2/13/97 EST, John D Tarter spouted this nonsense:
>>>
>>Woah... Shintaro... PLease...
>>
>>A little SNIPPY SNIPPY with your posts...:)
>>
>>Thanks...
>
>Sorry about that <g>! A bad sinus headache can sometimes make me feel
>that way. Please forgive any stepped on toes, and have a nice day :-)
>~Shintaro
>
No probs... I'm nice about it...:)

If you do it consistantly, that's when we mail bomb you and steal your
cat... (If, of course, you have a cat:))

Bull
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Message no. 10
From: Fro <fro@***.AB.CA>
Subject: Re: Spam or not to Spam... OT
Date: Sun, 16 Feb 1997 12:27:33 -0700
At 23:30 2/12/97 -0800, you wrote:

>Fro, would you be willing to having people who feel the need to posts
>warnings like the FCC post, first check with you or Mark (although Mark is
>buzy, being a new dad) for posting permission? This has been done on other
>lists, with great success.

Yah! finally caught up with my email. Sorta :)
Yes. If you want to post something semi-offtopic like FCC stuff, Internet
privacy related things, all that type of stuff we are all sort of concerned
with on a *global* basis, then do feel free to email me and I might forward
it to the list.

-Fro

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