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Message no. 1
From: David Buehrer <dbuehrer@******.CARL.ORG>
Subject: Re: Spell Barriers
Date: Fri, 31 Oct 1997 07:36:30 -0700
Simon T. Sailer wrote:
|
| > A sustained spell is on the physical plane, not on the astral. The
| > launched spell travelled through the astral, so it bypassed the
| > barrier.
| >
| > -David
|
| How can that be??????
| How can a spell be exclusively on the physical plane?
| In order to be sustained, he needs to be on the astral plane as
| well..

But if it's on both the astral and the physical plane then that
implies that a bridge exists through which spells can be grounded.
And that opens up a *huge* can of worms because the views on whether
or not you can ground through a sustained spell are pretty strong
(i.e., a flame war usually ensues).

The magic rules are full of inconsistencies and paradoxes. But it's
cool because of that, IMHO. If it was straight forward like basic
physics it wouldn't be any fun :)

-David
http://www.geocities.com/TimesSquare/1068/homepage.htm
--
"Creativity is allowing yourself to make mistakes. Art is knowing
which ones to keep."
Message no. 2
From: David Thompson <david.s.thompson@****.EDU>
Subject: Re: Spell Barriers
Date: Mon, 6 Oct 1997 13:56:52 -0400
At 07:36 AM 10/31/97 -0700, you wrote:
>Simon T. Sailer wrote:
>|
>| > A sustained spell is on the physical plane, not on the astral. The
>| > launched spell travelled through the astral, so it bypassed the
>| > barrier.
>| >
>| > -David
>|
>| How can that be??????
>| How can a spell be exclusively on the physical plane?
>| In order to be sustained, he needs to be on the astral plane as
>| well..
>
>But if it's on both the astral and the physical plane then that
>implies that a bridge exists through which spells can be grounded.
>And that opens up a *huge* can of worms because the views on whether
>or not you can ground through a sustained spell are pretty strong
>(i.e., a flame war usually ensues).
>
>The magic rules are full of inconsistencies and paradoxes. But it's
>cool because of that, IMHO. If it was straight forward like basic
>physics it wouldn't be any fun :)

Now, I'm well aware of the contents of the FAQ, but I've been re-reading
sections of the BBB recently, and I think this whole grounding thing has
gotten way out of hand, can you ground through __________, or anchorings,
or sustained spells, or whatever. Everyone goes back to the bridge between
astral and physical space, and then they argue about when there is a bridge
or not, or if a physical barrier creates a bridge because it is both
physical and sustained magic, or whatever. I've decided that it is really
much more black and white. In order to ground, you need to attack through
a conduit (bridge, whatever), but, that conduit must be able to channel the
spell energy from the astral to the physical. The ONLY valid conduits,
IMO, are active foci, and dual natured creatures. This means no anchored
objects, or anything else.

Metamagic creations are in essence complex spell forms which require
initiation and the expenditure of karma to create. The result of which is
a spell matrix that can sustain itself without the concentration of the
caster, but only for a limited time. This is not the same as using a spell
lock because to use the metamagic, the drain ALWAYS goes up -- reflecting
the more complex nature of the partially self-sustaining spell, not the use
of a focus. And, since it is only a spell, it CAN'T be attacked by other
spells, hence no grounding. Clear and simple, and _I_ like it anyway.

I hope I've kept far enough away from taboo topics, and if not, I
apologize. My intention is not to start an argument with those who might
disagree, but instead to point out my realization/interpretation that:

==> To ground, you need not only a bridge, but one that can channel energy
from the astral to the physical.

This means that while many things might seem to be bridges (such as
sustained spells because of their semi-dual nature), they still cannot be
ground through because the bridge (if any) simply is not capable of
channeling the energy -- no casting spells at spells, remember.

If you like the idea, great, if you hate it, there is probably no point in
starting what would be a grounding argument, so just ignore it.

--DT (where are those damn stairs to hide under)

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